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While Javier generally liked to make his students guess the subject of the lesson before getting underway, he was making it very clear right off the bat this time. On the blackboard behind his desk at the front of the class, the following was written in all capital letters:
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LIQUID LUCK
On the desk in front of him were some ashwinder eggs in a dish, squill bulbs and Occamy eggshells, amongst other small ingredients for the potion. These were just for show - the ones they would be using later were all separated out into individual trays off to the side, as always.
He knew many of the students had probably heard of this potion before, and also probably had some opinions on it. That was exactly what he was hoping for, at least! It was a rather controversial potion, after all.
"Hello everyone," the potions master gave them a little nod of greeting as he opened the door and positioned himself behind the desk while waiting for the students to arrive.
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Desiree was not her usual perky princessy self today. Being turned into a beast against one’s will would do that! She walked with her head down, greeting Professor Hernandez with a polite nod upon her arrival. Never knowing when her words might come out as wombat sounds, she didn’t want to chance a verbal greeting. She stalked off to the back of the room, taking a seat someplace where she hopefully wouldn’t draw too much attention to herself if she turned into a teddy rat in the middle of the lesson.
She looked to the board as she waited for the lesson to begin, and her mood brightened slightly. Liquid luck? There was only one potion that could possibly be. Was that what they were doing today, brewing Felix Felicis? She’d heard it was insanely difficult to do! More importantly, could Felix Felicis stop her from randomly turning into a wombat? She listened with rapt attention as the professor spoke. Although the lecture didn’t outright answer her burning question, it gave her hope. If Felix Felicis could help the drinker achieve anything, surely it could help her keep her human form, right?
Desiree considered the question carefully. If Professor Hernandez had asked that prior to the start of this term, she probably would’ve said the potion was unethical, no ifs ands or buts. While she still thought it was unethical to use to give yourself an unfair advantage, like in an exam or quidditch match, recent circumstances had opened her eyes to scenarios in which it could be used ethically.
She didn’t have far to go when her turn came to stand up, as she was already at the back of the room. Taking the few steps necessary to join the others, she raised her hand and said, “I agree with the others. It’s the way one uses the potion that can be ethical or not, not the potion itself. Using Felix Felicis to stop the misfortunes done to oneself or others, as Harry Potter did, is very different from using it to gain an unfair advantage in an exam or quidditch match, At any rate, I think the potion should be taught so people can make informed decisions whether or not they want to use it.” SHe said this all very fast, lest she turn into a wombat before she could get the words out.
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UM.... HELLO... LIQUID LUCK... what?? To say Apollo was stoked for this lesson was an understatement. While he wasn't convinced that Professor Hernandez would let them keep a small vial, there was always the possibility for one or two students 'winning' some, right?? LIKE, wasn't that how the great Harry Potter came to obtain some?
Except ... apparently they wouldn't be getting some. So uh... why was this being taught then?? Was Hernandez trying to act as a moral compass to see which of his students had morals? Cause this kid .... kind of did. If only because he knew he could probably be kicked from the U-17 team and he only had one more season remaining, a chance to show off to potential big league recruiters. So yea, no, Apollo Adara-Stark would NOT be risking his future. And yet....
"It should be ... moderated. There are legit reasons for using it, sure, but maybe like for personal gain, I'm thinking that's where the line would be crossed." Was this why the sorting hat didn't put him in Slytherin? Probably. But he was pretty sure that Maya and Bella had moral compasses. Didn't they? Bella was at the back of the room though ... but did she vote for being able to brew it freely or with discretion?
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So…
Jude hadn’t expected anyone to be paying attention to him but Hernandez. Though he supposed that hearing a fellow student had turned into an alpaca would make everyone interested. “Exactly as I said, Professor,’’ he remarked, bobbing his head earnestly. Jude frankly did not care if anyone believed him; the only one that mattered was Hernandez. He shrugged at Hooper. “This one did.” The sixth year really didn’t want to draw more attention to Evan but he figured that others needed to be warned that there might be more students bursting into alpacas. Or a variety of creatures. “He turned into an alpaca for some reason.” That should answer Ash, Daniel and Lisa.
Spotting Luther, he gave him a little wave and a reassuring smile. He didn’t want to upset the guy unnecessarily about strange happenings in his very first year, yeah? And THERE was Evan! See?! Words that backed Jude up directly from the horse’s… No, alpaca’s Ravenclaw’s mouth. A grateful look was thrown to the other boy before they headed off to workstations. Naturally, he took one next to Evan. “Are you okay?” Jude gave the seventh year a concerned look. It seemed that he spent all his Hogwarts life worrying over the seventh year. “Not gonna chew up my notes today, are you? I probably am going to start walking around with carrots and apples for you if this is going to be a thing.” He bit back a chuckle and busied himself retrieving his ink and parchment. There was a soft snort from him. “Merlin, I hope so! That Poltergeist is driving me crazy.” Jude watched all the happening around him warily; they were anything he hadn’t seen before. Most notably was Keigh’s flowers. “Heeey, little sister!’’ He gave her his brightest smile. His best friend and younger sister on either side of him today? Perfect!
The Hufflepuff eyed the butterflies. Jude wasn’t even sure he had brought those butterflies along or someone else had. Because yes, he had come to realise that at times there were quite a bit of butterflies about him and they appeared for no reason, especially indoors. His gaze shifted to Evan a bit before darting back to Hernandez. When the man had asked ‘asking out the girl of your dreams’, his mind had immediately turned ‘girl’ into ‘guy’. Of course he was thinking of Evan and of course he immediately felt super guilty because of Davet. He sighed quietly. There would be no end to these raging feelings of his.
Jude raised his hand. “I would say it is immoral to use in general or in most situations but not to be taught about. It’s just not fair to have anything to go your way, no matter how much you want it to. What becomes of the person or persons involved in the scenario of you consuming the Potion? What if they too wanted the scenario to go their way, but weren’t given a proper chance for that to happen because they didn’t consume the Potion? So yes, I see its use as being immoral.” As a Hufflepuff, fairness was important to him. With that, the sixth year headed for the front of the class.
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Ash nodded as Evan squeezed her shoulder. "If... if you say so." But she'd be watching him whenever she could! She preferred Evan as a person and not as an alpaca. She took a seat near where Jude, Keighley, and Evan were, but slightly behind them. She looked around for Tadhg at the sound of his voice, but couldn't see him. She listened along, wondering if she could go to the hospital wing for reasons other than flowers coming from her. See, she'd already gotten that checked out, and was just told that it didn't seem to be a problem and there was nothing anyone could do. She was much more concerned about her constant tiredness and feeling sick all the time. She had to be excused from this class a few weeks ago, because she just felt so bad. Today seemed to be fine though. She felt great.
"I think that using felix felicis is unethical, because it affects other people as well, 'persuading' them to do what you want. Like tell you information or go on a date with you. We're not allowed to use the imperius curse on each other, and this isn't that far from that, in my opinion." She hesitated, then went on. "However, just because it's unethical doesn't mean I never support using it. Like when harry potter got information on Voldemort. It wasn't ethical really, but it was justified regardless." She went to stand in the front.
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Hearing his name, Evan had turned around to offer greeting but.. while he believed he heard Tadhg's voice, he couldn't spot him, so instead his greeting sounded more like a question. "Hello?" Keighley's was a little less confused as she was tangible on the other side of Jude. Ev gave a small smile and an inclinaton of his head her direction. "I'm fine now. Thanks."
A sheepish smile again at the questioning of if he would be chewing notes, and the only honest answer the Ravenclaw could give... was a shrug of his shoulders. "I can't make any promises." But for the sake of the lesson, hopefully not. He was sure all of the odd magical happenings were distracting and driving the poor Professor's mad. Which was also why he didn't offer any other commentary regarding the poltergeist or in response to any of the other comments regarding his unfortunate woolly problem, other than to assure Professor Hernandez at his question. "I feel fine now, sir. Thank you." It did happen rather spontaneously and he'd yet to notice any proceeding patterns but... he felt perfectly normal now and was hoping for that to be the case through the lesson.
Which was off to a rather interesting start. They were talking morals today in Potions?
Considering the questions, Evan was glad to be going a little later to hear the points people made. While the first year's observation that magic itself could not be immoral (something he'd often had to grapple with his early years) was correct, he still didn't believe in Liquid Luck being a normal standard of curriculum. When it came to his turn, Evan stood and made his way towards the front of the class. "I do agree with some of the points the other side made, that magic in itself cannot be immoral, as the immorality would have more to do with the intentions of the user. However, I don't think that means that we shouldn't well... censor I suppose, what is taught in schools. By the some logic of morality, the three Unforgivable Curses are not in of themselves immoral, but we shouldn't learn about those either." He refrained from pointing out as well, that had censorship been more adhered to in the first place... Historically Harry Potter might never have needed to use the Felix Felicis.
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Yes…strange symptoms indeed.
Rajesh was keeping an eye out for any sign his own was gonna act up, debating casting the spell he learned from Professor Madigan just in case. However, there seemed to be another debate that was going to have more of an impact on the class right off the bat…whether felix felicis was something that should be taught or something that wasn’t fair and ethical. Listening to what Professor Hernandez had to say, as well as what his classmates brought up before he could make his own decision, the Ravenclaw’s gaze went to both sides of the room.
He was caught in between.
He felt it was an okay potion in some instances, in moderation, for the small things. Keeping self from injury, or helping a cause like Potter and his friends was one thing. But on the other side of the matter, Raj wasn’t sure it was all right for something that mattered a bit more or for personal gain, like winning a quidditch match where it affected both teams and future matches. But the professor had said that they HAD to take a side. No such sitting on the fence like the currently was.
It seemed like he was heading to the front with Lisa and Ash. “While it has pitfalls and should have limitations…I don’t feel its completely immoral and not something to learn.” he answered, taking a stand beside the older Ravenclaw.
Javier addressed the students who walked to the front of the class first. "Miss Fox and Mister Anders bring up a very good point - by using the potion you are, by extension, influencing the lives of everyone you encounter. The magic affects them as well, so while you may not intend for it to have an impact on others, it likely WILL in some regard," he explained. For example - Slughorn didn't WANT to give up that information, but the universe had twisted things and put him in a situation where his feelings changed. It was kind of strange to think about, honestly. Although Ashley comparing to the Imperius Curse was a bit much in his opinion...but again, this was a debate!
He felt like he had expected more students at the front of the class - but it was a healthy mix, which was what Javier had been hoping for! "It seems that most of you are in agreement that it isn't COMPLETELY wrong to teach about it or even use it - but there should definitely be limitations to its use. Hold on to that thought for just a moment," he instructed them with a small smirk. He knew that he was probably making some of these kid's heads explode, making them pick ONE side over the other...
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Luther waved to Jude and smiled back. He definitely seemed relieved at seeing the Ravenclaw (Evan) and Luther thought 'That must be Evan, I wonder what it feels like to be an animal. Maybe I should ask him. Yeah, I will ask him after the class.' The class was filled with students who seemed to be unwilling victims of Peeves hijinks.
After listening to Professor Hernandez's explanation and question, Luther thought for a while. 'It would give an unfair advantage when used in events like exams or matches. However, it is magic, it is not good or bad.'
Deciding on his side, Luther stood up and said "Professor, I believe that while it might definitely and easily be abused, Felix Felicis is still just a product of magic. And magic itself cannot be immoral. The magical person and their intentions may be as immoral or moral as possible but I don't think any product of magic, thus producing and using them, can be automatically immoral. Also, moral rules are never definite, as we can see in the class, so who is to say the purpose of usage was immoral? After all, a cheetah is an enemy for the antelope but a hero for its cubs." After stating his justification, Luther walked towards the back of the class, his hands shining as bright as they can since he lost focus.
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An Alpaca? Surely Jude was joking, yes? Evan couldn’t possibly have been..
“My brother’s a—?” Speaking of said brother, he entered and she firmly shut her mouth but not before a stream of bubbles escaped. Wow.. The bubbles were not subtle. At her brother’s comment, she clutched her notebook closer to her chest and just STARED at him peculiarly. “Uh… okay…” That was bizarre.
Professor Hernandez’s response to her question was what she had anticipated but still she was a little deflated by it. However, it was probably the smarter thing not to have kids running around with weird powers and a potion that made things work out in their favour. Aw bummer, she thought but nodded at his response. “Understood… I was a little hopeful that it could work as an antidote…” She offered him a smile.
She waved to Kayla who sat near her and Daniel. As she looked over to her, she couldn’t help but look closer at Daniel and saw the dark circles. Merlin. He looked awful. Maybe she’d fish out the concealers and… Well the lesson had began and she’d have to offer it to him after this lesson. She listened intently at the part when he mentioned what could be achieved with the potion. Asking out the girl or guy you wanted… Lisa could easily see through these illustrations just how dangerous this potion could be if it got into the wrong hands.
OOH! A debate on the morals of the potion. An interesting twist to the lesson! She liked this. Where did she stand on this mattter? Well… She personally thought it was immoral but hearing Jude take that stance, Lisa OBVIOUSLY had to play devil’s advocate. So she headed to the back of the classroom with a smug smile on her lips. She squared her shoulders, lifting her chin up higher. Time for the performance. “I think it’s perfectly moral to teach, brew, and use Felix Felicis. Like my esteemed colleague…” Uhh what was the first year’s name…? “Mr Starriver mentioned previously, I also have to agree that it’s not the potion that makes the choice.” She paused, y’know for the dramatic effect. “It’s the user. With great power comes great responsibility.” She did look to Daniel. “Should we remove the use of wands because they can cause harm? No, that’d be silly. We can teach about the benefits, pitfalls, and consequences that occur because of a user’s actions.”
Yes, the bubbles did make her performance seem even more riddikulus.
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Disappointing that they wouldn't get their own vial of it, but also understandable. Especially considering the turn the beginning of the class took with this first question.
Kayla was...torn. Neither side really sat well with her, with the extremes of the either never immoral or always immoral to use the Liquid Luck potion. Life was more complicated than that. But she supposed if they weren't forced to temporarily pick a side within the classroom setting, they might all choose the same side of "it's complicated," considering they all had good reasons for each side so far. And perhaps that defeated the purpose of the exercise, if there was no debate.
So...it wasn't easy, but finally she went to the back of the room. "I don't think there are no problems with this potion," she said. "However, I also don't think that just because it can be used for nefarious purposes, that it means it shouldn't ever be taught. In the same way that we have defense classes to protect ourselves from the dark arts and other magic that can do harm, we should also be able to learn about potions that can be used for ethical and unethical reasons, in order to prepare ourselves to deal with them if we need to."
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They were having a debate about wheter it was moral or immoral to brew liquid luck. Bella considered silently, and listened to the others points as student after student around her filtered to the back or front of the classroom depending on their views. Raising her hand as she stood up Bella waited until she had Prof Hernandez full attention before sharing her view. "I agree with Kayla and Lisa. I don't think it's immoral to brew or use liquid luck. It's the user of the potion that decides what the purpose of the potion will be if its for a little good fun or something more sinister, and we need to learn how to brew potions of all kinds and to handle the consequences of using potions both in school and out in the world. " She then walked over to join Lisa and Kayla in the back of the room. Everything always effected other people the question was if it was for good or bad.
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Waving his wand so he could be seen my the Professor and everyone else around him he bit his lip in thought, what did he think about this? He could see both sides of the situation but he truly believed that it should be taught and he had his reasons and was about to say it. Raising his hand with his wand still in his hand he cleared his throat. Although he inew a lot of people were going to agree or disagree but it didn't mean they all couldn't be friends based on certain beliefs.
" I think it should be taught Professor, I mean yeah it can be used unfairly and poorly, but that's with almost anything and everything that's out there sir, are you going to banned the Polyjuice Potion because you turn into someone you're not or the Deaught of Living Death cause it puts someone in a death like sleep? No it would be unethical to banned something cause I believe if it's banned more are going to be curious and try it anyways. If we were to banned wand cause of people using them evilly how would we truly the greatest of magic around us? Sorry for the rant sir, just trying to voice my opinion on the issue." With that being said, he walked towards the back of the classroom.
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Jude knew how much she looked up to him, right?
So when the lesson began and Professor Hernandez started to speak all was well. Keighley listened as she always did, jotting down notes on her parchment which wasn't anything new from her either. What was new however was the look on the fourth years face when they were asked to pick a side of the room to stand on depending upon how they answered this question. Is Felix Felicis an ethical potion to brew and use.
Why did they have to pick a side? She didn't want to do that. Being in a neutral position sounded better to her. There were pros and cons to this potion as there were pros and cons to pretty much everything in life. It all depended on how it was looked at but more importantly it came down to the one using it. Keigh crinkled up her nose in thought, slowly raising her hand so she could give her answer. "It's not a potion I myself would see me using but.. I don't see an issue with it being taught. Whether it's learned under a watchful eye of a professor or figured out on ones own, if someone wants to learn it badly enough they will find a way." Just saying. It's the truth. Not teaching something at Hogwarts doesn't make it unlearnable. "As for it being used.. well.. I guess that would depend on what it's being used for. Not everyone's intentions for it may be bad." Sorry Jude. Getting to her feet, she slowly made her way to the back of the room to join the others standing there, blue eyes downcast. Surely she had let her big brother down by not siding with him.
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Desiree was not her usual perky princessy self today. Being turned into a beast against one’s will would do that! She walked with her head down, greeting Professor Hernandez with a polite nod upon her arrival. Never knowing when her words might come out as wombat sounds, she didn’t want to chance a verbal greeting. She stalked off to the back of the room, taking a seat someplace where she hopefully wouldn’t draw too much attention to herself if she turned into a teddy rat in the middle of the lesson.
She looked to the board as she waited for the lesson to begin, and her mood brightened slightly. Liquid luck? There was only one potion that could possibly be. Was that what they were doing today, brewing Felix Felicis? She’d heard it was insanely difficult to do! More importantly, could Felix Felicis stop her from randomly turning into a wombat? She listened with rapt attention as the professor spoke. Although the lecture didn’t outright answer her burning question, it gave her hope. If Felix Felicis could help the drinker achieve anything, surely it could help her keep her human form, right?
Desiree considered the question carefully. If Professor Hernandez had asked that prior to the start of this term, she probably would’ve said the potion was unethical, no ifs ands or buts. While she still thought it was unethical to use to give yourself an unfair advantage, like in an exam or quidditch match, recent circumstances had opened her eyes to scenarios in which it could be used ethically.
She didn’t have far to go when her turn came to stand up, as she was already at the back of the room. Taking the few steps necessary to join the others, she raised her hand and said, “I agree with the others. It’s the way one uses the potion that can be ethical or not, not the potion itself. Using Felix Felicis to stop the misfortunes done to oneself or others, as Harry Potter did, is very different from using it to gain an unfair advantage in an exam or quidditch match, At any rate, I think the potion should be taught so people can make informed decisions whether or not they want to use it.” SHe said this all very fast, lest she turn into a wombat before she could get the words out.
Next, to the children in the back - and the invisible man, Tadhg, whom Javier had watched curiously as his robes just kind of...floated to the back. That was weird. Anyways...
"I couldn't have said it better myself, Mister Starriver!" Javier smiled at the first year and nodded at everyone else's answers. "You all make excellent points as well. The potion itself may not be unethical, but depending on who is using it and for what purpose, THAT might be where we run in to issues. And as Miss Anders said, not everyone is using it for ill intent," he said in agreement.
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No Alpacas at Hogwarts? Huh. Then maybe Evan did turn into one. It didn’t make too much difference to him except that he sort of wanted to pet one. Hooper watched carefully as Jude spotted Evan but didn’t butt in and interrupt the panic that he seemed to be in. With that not lasting, Hooper decided to focus on the lesson rather than the Llama Alpaca drama.
Taking pause for a second, Hooper really had to think about the question before putting his hand up to answer. “Honestly professor, that potion sounds super siiick! I mean, I know people have said that if you use it in certain situations, it can be frowned upon but if everyone uses it, doesn’t that cancel everything out? Has like, everyone playing in a quidditch game taken it then played? Is one person more lucky? Because both teams can’t win”. Now that would be a super cool potions experiment.
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UM.... HELLO... LIQUID LUCK... what?? To say Apollo was stoked for this lesson was an understatement. While he wasn't convinced that Professor Hernandez would let them keep a small vial, there was always the possibility for one or two students 'winning' some, right?? LIKE, wasn't that how the great Harry Potter came to obtain some?
Except ... apparently they wouldn't be getting some. So uh... why was this being taught then?? Was Hernandez trying to act as a moral compass to see which of his students had morals? Cause this kid .... kind of did. If only because he knew he could probably be kicked from the U-17 team and he only had one more season remaining, a chance to show off to potential big league recruiters. So yea, no, Apollo Adara-Stark would NOT be risking his future. And yet....
"It should be ... moderated. There are legit reasons for using it, sure, but maybe like for personal gain, I'm thinking that's where the line would be crossed." Was this why the sorting hat didn't put him in Slytherin? Probably. But he was pretty sure that Maya and Bella had moral compasses. Didn't they? Bella was at the back of the room though ... but did she vote for being able to brew it freely or with discretion?
"Good answers, both of you," Javier said to Hooper and Apollo, but he paused when it appeared neither boy was actually getting UP to go to the front or the back of the class..."Now, pick a side, if you'll please," he asked with a small chuckle, figuring they probably just got too sucked into the debate of it all to remember that little part of the instructions!
"Now, the majority of you said in your answers that you felt there should be limitations to the potion's use. I know I asked you a difficult question - and I can tell from your answers that many of you struggled to pick just ONE side," he explained. "Which is kind of what I was expecting to happen. Many ethical dilemmas we face - both in Potions class and in the real world - are hardly black and white like many would want us to believe."
"So now I'll ask you another question - for those of you at the front of the classroom, are there any situations where you feel it WOULD be ok to use liquid luck? And for the back...what are some scenarios where you feel it is NOT ok to use liquid luck?" he asked. "Or are you completely staunch in your beliefs?" That was also a completely acceptable answer!
OOC: WOOO more ethical debates! Basically, each side should try and think like the other side, and figure out if there are any scenarios where they would find it acceptable/not acceptable to use Liquid Luck?
We'll move on in about 24 hours!
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It was with great interest that Jude listened to everyone’s opinion. He respected all the reasonings, even the students’ who differed from his. He was surprised at the stance some of his friends - like Bella - took but for others, not at all. Even before Evan had stood up, Jude knew where the Ravenclaw would head. Keigh surprised him as well. Jude tried to catch his sister’s gaze to reassure her that he thought no different of her because of the side she had chosen. Overall, this portion of the lesson had proved to be interesting despite there being no right or wrong answers.
Indeed Jude had struggled to pick a side. It was why he said the potion is ‘immoral to use in general or in most situations’. It seemed that Hernandez was having the time of his life posing these sorts of questions to them. The Hufflepuff reflected on possible scenarios where using the Liquid Luck Potion would be justifiable. He was inclined to agree with Harry Potter using it on Slughorn since many lives were saved with the information extracted. Jude raised his hand. “When you’re in a life or death situation, such as being attacked by a werewolf.” Who wouldn’t want to get out of that?!
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This was an interesting exercise. She liked starting class with an invigorating debate especially one that she could play devil's advocate in.
Professor Hernandez called them back in after discussing the different perspectives and then offered a new question. What are scenarios where you feel it's NOT okay to use liquid luck or was she set in her beliefs?
Hmmmmm.............
There were guardrails.... Even for Lisa. Okay, a lot more limitations than she'd like to admit.
"Once scenario that I wouldn't use it for would be a test whether it be physical or mental... like a sports match or exam. I'd rather rely on my hard work and efforts to come to fruition," she explained. one didn't need shortcuts. She was also going to add the scenario of asking someone out but she didn't want to come across as overly confident. Being confident was a fine balance if you were too confident, then you were considered full of yourself.
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Kinsay didn't really understand the point of this entire debate. If the potion existed people would use it. That's how potions worked. Morality didn't really matter, see? That's why she was going to study fashion after graduation. Debates likes these were totally boring and had no point. She was so so so sure they wouldn't have silly classes like these in fashion school. ... No offense, Professor.
With that being said, she was totally and firmly on the 'not immoral' side of the classroom. It's not like taking a good luck potion guaranteed anything. It just meant you'd be a little luckier and, like, what's so wrong with that? Some people are just naturally lucky. Is THAT immoral? See? Didn't think so. Plus, if you thought of it and someone else didn't, how could they be mad? It'd be their fault for not thinking of it too. So.
It was more of a matter of jealousy than it was morality. And that's the story Kinsay James would stick to.
So this new question was kind of hard to answer. Kins wasn't even sure that she could come up with a defense for the other side at all. But then hearing Jude's answer gave her an idea and her hand shot into the air shortly after. Thanks, Jude. "Murder." You should have to do that the old-fashioned way.
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Next, to the children in the back - and the invisible man, Tadhg, whom Javier had watched curiously as his robes just kind of...floated to the back. That was weird. Anyways...
"I couldn't have said it better myself, Mister Starriver!" Javier smiled at the first year and nodded at everyone else's answers. "You all make excellent points as well. The potion itself may not be unethical, but depending on who is using it and for what purpose, THAT might be where we run in to issues. And as Miss Anders said, not everyone is using it for ill intent," he said in agreement.
"Good answers, both of you," Javier said to Hooper and Apollo, but he paused when it appeared neither boy was actually getting UP to go to the front or the back of the class..."Now, pick a side, if you'll please," he asked with a small chuckle, figuring they probably just got too sucked into the debate of it all to remember that little part of the instructions!
"Now, the majority of you said in your answers that you felt there should be limitations to the potion's use. I know I asked you a difficult question - and I can tell from your answers that many of you struggled to pick just ONE side," he explained. "Which is kind of what I was expecting to happen. Many ethical dilemmas we face - both in Potions class and in the real world - are hardly black and white like many would want us to believe."
"So now I'll ask you another question - for those of you at the front of the classroom, are there any situations where you feel it WOULD be ok to use liquid luck? And for the back...what are some scenarios where you feel it is NOT ok to use liquid luck?" he asked. "Or are you completely staunch in your beliefs?" That was also a completely acceptable answer!
OOC: WOOO more ethical debates! Basically, each side should try and think like the other side, and figure out if there are any scenarios where they would find it acceptable/not acceptable to use Liquid Luck?
We'll move on in about 24 hours!
Yes, Bella had struggled to pick a side. She could have as easily chosen the front as the back, but had decided to see where her Slytherinness would take her in this debate. It had probably surprised a few, mostly Jude and Apollo what side she had chosen, but they had to deal with it. It was just for a debate as a part of a lesson. Of course Prof Hernandez couldn't let the debate stop there. They now had to think like the other side. In what kind of situation did Bella NOT think it was okay to use liquid luck to get the result she wanted?
Raising her hand Bella said slowly. "It's not okay to use liquid luck when it comes to matters of the heart. I don't want a boy to say yes to a date with me or say that he loves likes me a lot if he doesn't really mean it deep down. " It'd be too crushing when the effects wore off and you realized that actually the boy disliked you.
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The second she lifted her gaze from the floor her eyes met those of Jude's. Of all people she had to look directly at the one person she didn't want to at that very moment. Her heart ached at letting him down already and this discussion wasn't helping. Professor Hernandez did know that this was Potions class, right?
Debates weren't her thing. At all. She didn't like them. It was basically a form of confrontation to her and she disliked that a whole lot more. While the question was relatively easy, her answer probably wasn't what would be expected given the side she was standing on. "For me personally, everything. I wouldn't use it all. If I can't accomplish what I want to on my own then that's on me.." she gave her answer softly after raising her hand.
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Next, to the children in the back - and the invisible man, Tadhg, whom Javier had watched curiously as his robes just kind of...floated to the back. That was weird. Anyways...
"I couldn't have said it better myself, Mister Starriver!" Javier smiled at the first year and nodded at everyone else's answers. "You all make excellent points as well. The potion itself may not be unethical, but depending on who is using it and for what purpose, THAT might be where we run in to issues. And as Miss Anders said, not everyone is using it for ill intent," he said in agreement.
"Now, the majority of you said in your answers that you felt there should be limitations to the potion's use. I know I asked you a difficult question - and I can tell from your answers that many of you struggled to pick just ONE side," he explained. "Which is kind of what I was expecting to happen. Many ethical dilemmas we face - both in Potions class and in the real world - are hardly black and white like many would want us to believe."
"So now I'll ask you another question - for those of you at the front of the classroom, are there any situations where you feel it WOULD be ok to use liquid luck? And for the back...what are some scenarios where you feel it is NOT ok to use liquid luck?" he asked. "Or are you completely staunch in your beliefs?" That was also a completely acceptable answer!
OOC: WOOO more ethical debates! Basically, each side should try and think like the other side, and figure out if there are any scenarios where they would find it acceptable/not acceptable to use Liquid Luck?
We'll move on in about 24 hours!
"Thank you, Professor." said Luther distractedly as he was already thinking about the new question. 'What would be a universal no-no?' thought Luther. A couple of minutes passed. Each minute brought a scenario where it looked like a real act of evil to use Felix Felicis. However, the next second his mind presented Luther with a situational justification for the act. He didn't even notice that he untied his hair tie and started playing with it.
After a couple of more minutes, Luther gave up and raised his hand. Then he continued saying "Professor, I believe that any situation that looks like it is unethical to use it might have an ethical justification behind it. However, killing or damaging in any way an innocent human for anything but one's own dire need, I mean like stealing food for your child, is probably where I would draw the line." Then Luther looked around to see what other students' and the Professor's reactions to his answer as he noticed his hair was falling in front of his eyes. Then his gaze turned to his glowing hands playing with the ribbon. He sighed and slowly dimmed the glow as he tied his hair again.
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Actually, no. Desiree hadn’t struggled to pick a side at all. There were plenty of reasons to use Felix Felicis that weren’t unethical, like stopping a dark wizard or not turning into a beast in front of the whole school, for example! Speaking of which, could they please get on with it?! She could turn into a wombat at any moment, and she’d like to get to the potion brewing before that happened, thank you very much!
She was practically on the edge of her seat, waiting for the next set of instructions, and… Her face fell slightly when the professor asked another question. Asdfjkl!!! Why couldn’t this wait until the end?! Her mind raced, frantically searching for an answer. The sooner she answered, the sooner she could start brewing and hopefully get some potion to take with her to stop the teddy rat transformations!
She’d kind of already answered this question with her reasoning for the last one. Unsurprisingly, using Felix Felicis for a test was one of the first things said. Then her thoughts turned to using the potion to influence someone else’s free will for selfish reasons, like getting someone to date you, but that was said too. Ugh! What else could she say? Maybe there was another example of influencing someone’s free will that she could use. Then it came to her, and her hand shot up. “Blackmail, Professor,” she said. “It’s not okay to use the potion to gain information that you plan to use to harm someone’s reputation.”
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It was with great interest that Jude listened to everyone’s opinion. He respected all the reasonings, even the students’ who differed from his. He was surprised at the stance some of his friends - like Bella - took but for others, not at all. Even before Evan had stood up, Jude knew where the Ravenclaw would head. Keigh surprised him as well. Jude tried to catch his sister’s gaze to reassure her that he thought no different of her because of the side she had chosen. Overall, this portion of the lesson had proved to be interesting despite there being no right or wrong answers.
Indeed Jude had struggled to pick a side. It was why he said the potion is ‘immoral to use in general or in most situations’. It seemed that Hernandez was having the time of his life posing these sorts of questions to them. The Hufflepuff reflected on possible scenarios where using the Liquid Luck Potion would be justifiable. He was inclined to agree with Harry Potter using it on Slughorn since many lives were saved with the information extracted. Jude raised his hand. “When you’re in a life or death situation, such as being attacked by a werewolf.” Who wouldn’t want to get out of that?!
"That could certainly be a justifiable use," Javier agreed with a nod. "Although a little tricky, unless you're anticipating being in a dangerous place - taking the potion would certainly make things a lot safer for you," he explained. How often did people KNOW they were going to be facing death, though? It was hardly easy to predict, and it's not like you could down a vial of potion right before the werewolf pounced on you...but it was a good idea nonetheless!
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This was an interesting exercise. She liked starting class with an invigorating debate especially one that she could play devil's advocate in.
Professor Hernandez called them back in after discussing the different perspectives and then offered a new question. What are scenarios where you feel it's NOT okay to use liquid luck or was she set in her beliefs?
Hmmmmm.............
There were guardrails.... Even for Lisa. Okay, a lot more limitations than she'd like to admit.
"Once scenario that I wouldn't use it for would be a test whether it be physical or mental... like a sports match or exam. I'd rather rely on my hard work and efforts to come to fruition," she explained. one didn't need shortcuts. She was also going to add the scenario of asking someone out but she didn't want to come across as overly confident. Being confident was a fine balance if you were too confident, then you were considered full of yourself.
"Very good Miss Nam," he responded with a nod to her answer. "Sporting events and exams already have rules in place prohibiting the use of Felix Felicis for obvious reasons. It is essentially cheating."
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Kinsay didn't really understand the point of this entire debate. If the potion existed people would use it. That's how potions worked. Morality didn't really matter, see? That's why she was going to study fashion after graduation. Debates likes these were totally boring and had no point. She was so so so sure they wouldn't have silly classes like these in fashion school. ... No offense, Professor.
With that being said, she was totally and firmly on the 'not immoral' side of the classroom. It's not like taking a good luck potion guaranteed anything. It just meant you'd be a little luckier and, like, what's so wrong with that? Some people are just naturally lucky. Is THAT immoral? See? Didn't think so. Plus, if you thought of it and someone else didn't, how could they be mad? It'd be their fault for not thinking of it too. So.
It was more of a matter of jealousy than it was morality. And that's the story Kinsay James would stick to.
So this new question was kind of hard to answer. Kins wasn't even sure that she could come up with a defense for the other side at all. But then hearing Jude's answer gave her an idea and her hand shot into the air shortly after. Thanks, Jude. "Murder." You should have to do that the old-fashioned way.
That was...an answer, technically.
Not that Javier really understood where Kinsay was going with that. Did she mean to HELP someone murder? Or prevent a murder? He was going to go with the second one, simply because...he didn't want to ask WHY Kinsay thought of the first scenario. "Yes, to prevent a murder from being committed. Good idea, Miss James."
Yes, going with the second one.
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Yes, Bella had struggled to pick a side. She could have as easily chosen the front as the back, but had decided to see where her Slytherinness would take her in this debate. It had probably surprised a few, mostly Jude and Apollo what side she had chosen, but they had to deal with it. It was just for a debate as a part of a lesson. Of course Prof Hernandez couldn't let the debate stop there. They now had to think like the other side. In what kind of situation did Bella NOT think it was okay to use liquid luck to get the result she wanted?
Raising her hand Bella said slowly. "It's not okay to use liquid luck when it comes to matters of the heart. I don't want a boy to say yes to a date with me or say that he loves likes me a lot if he doesn't really mean it deep down. " It'd be too crushing when the effects wore off and you realized that actually the boy disliked you.
"Another excellent answer," Javier said with a smile to Bella. "While not as...shall we say powerful as a love potion, it is indeed something that influences those around you, including their emotions."
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The second she lifted her gaze from the floor her eyes met those of Jude's. Of all people she had to look directly at the one person she didn't want to at that very moment. Her heart ached at letting him down already and this discussion wasn't helping. Professor Hernandez did know that this was Potions class, right?
Debates weren't her thing. At all. She didn't like them. It was basically a form of confrontation to her and she disliked that a whole lot more. While the question was relatively easy, her answer probably wasn't what would be expected given the side she was standing on. "For me personally, everything. I wouldn't use it all. If I can't accomplish what I want to on my own then that's on me.." she gave her answer softly after raising her hand.
"That is perfectly alright," Javier assured her. "If you don't want any outside influence you certainly would never have to use it."
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"Thank you, Professor." said Luther distractedly as he was already thinking about the new question. 'What would be a universal no-no?' thought Luther. A couple of minutes passed. Each minute brought a scenario where it looked like a real act of evil to use Felix Felicis. However, the next second his mind presented Luther with a situational justification for the act. He didn't even notice that he untied his hair tie and started playing with it.
After a couple of more minutes, Luther gave up and raised his hand. Then he continued saying "Professor, I believe that any situation that looks like it is unethical to use it might have an ethical justification behind it. However, killing or damaging in any way an innocent human for anything but one's own dire need, I mean like stealing food for your child, is probably where I would draw the line." Then Luther looked around to see what other students' and the Professor's reactions to his answer as he noticed his hair was falling in front of his eyes. Then his gaze turned to his glowing hands playing with the ribbon. He sighed and slowly dimmed the glow as he tied his hair again.
A very Gryffindor answer of Luther...Javier smiled at him and nodded. "Good answer. Any situation where you wish to do harm to someone would obviously be a misuse of this potion."
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Actually, no. Desiree hadn’t struggled to pick a side at all. There were plenty of reasons to use Felix Felicis that weren’t unethical, like stopping a dark wizard or not turning into a beast in front of the whole school, for example! Speaking of which, could they please get on with it?! She could turn into a wombat at any moment, and she’d like to get to the potion brewing before that happened, thank you very much!
She was practically on the edge of her seat, waiting for the next set of instructions, and… Her face fell slightly when the professor asked another question. Asdfjkl!!! Why couldn’t this wait until the end?! Her mind raced, frantically searching for an answer. The sooner she answered, the sooner she could start brewing and hopefully get some potion to take with her to stop the teddy rat transformations!
She’d kind of already answered this question with her reasoning for the last one. Unsurprisingly, using Felix Felicis for a test was one of the first things said. Then her thoughts turned to using the potion to influence someone else’s free will for selfish reasons, like getting someone to date you, but that was said too. Ugh! What else could she say? Maybe there was another example of influencing someone’s free will that she could use. Then it came to her, and her hand shot up. “Blackmail, Professor,” she said. “It’s not okay to use the potion to gain information that you plan to use to harm someone’s reputation.”
"Ah, interesting perspective," Javier said in response to Desiree's answer. "Yes, that would be misuse of the potion for sure!" And also probably illegal in most places.
"Alright, alright, I know you're all probably ready to get to the actual BREWING portion of the lesson so please return to your seats," Javier said with a smile, clapping his hands together to signal that it was time to sit down. "The point of this - of ALL of this - is to once again show that sometimes, you have to think about the consequences of using the potions we brew here. Especially something as powerful as Felix Felicis."
"One more question before we get to the brewing. This potion is extremely difficult to brew correctly - not only due to the ingredients, but as a deterrent for anyone who might want to use it for nefarious purposes," he explained.
"What do you need to be careful of when brewing Felix Felicis or using the potion? Are there any limits to its power?" he asked them. There were a few things they needed to be careful of - with both brewing and using the potion - that could cause disastrous consequences if they weren't careful!
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She listened to the rest of the peers' answers after Professor Hernandez added commentary on to her response. Prohibited in Quidditch. She added that note to her notebook before entertaining his next question. She paused, mulling over the limitations and effects of the potion. As she was thinking, she was promptly reminded of a conversation she had with Kai in the kitchens the other day about ice cream and Hershey kisses. Too much of a good thing could be a bad thing. That concept must apply to the potion too. She recalled reading something in the text that insinuated that.
Lisa raised her hand once more and waited to be called on. "Professor, too much of anything in excess is not a good thing. This potion fits that phrase... Isn't it highly toxic if consumed in excess amounts?"
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Poor Keigh. Jude just wanted to squish her and let her know that everything was alright. He was just surprised at her choice, and it reminded him that one truly never knew someone - no matter how close two people were. But he still didn’t and would never think less of his baby sister. As for his own reply to the second question, Jude figured that one could escape the werewolf if they were lucky enough to have been walking around with the potion at the time. A slim chance but a chance nonetheless.
There were indeed a few things they should know before moving onto brewing the potion. One of the most important points was mentioned by a certain Ravenclaw. Already Jude’s hand was in the air. “To add to what Lisa said, Professor. Too much use of the potion causes recklessness and giddiness.”
Luther thought 'Seems like father's notes work.' with a small shy smile on his face.
After the professor's question, he thought for a while and tried to remember what was written in his father's notes. Then with a slightly unsure tone, he said "I think, the potion's effect cannot overcome powerful enchantments or it is less effective against them." To the end of his sentence, his voice rose involuntarily ever so slightly belying his uncertainty.
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Wait…he realized as Professor Hernandez spoke further on the matters being raised by both sides of the class that he had made a mistake. He had moved in the wrong direction…to the front of the classroom instead of the back. He wasn’t against the teaching of the brewing of Liquid Luck, he was for the knowledge just with limitations in its usage. Could he discretely make his way towards the back of the room and pretend he had been there all along?
Pay no attention to the Ravenclaw who felt on the fence of things.
Maybe he could blame it on dealing with his water and rain issues.
Regardless, Rajesh was staying quiet on the next batch of questions raised to either side. The better to NOT confuse which side of the argument he was actually on…AGAIN. Rather he listened to his classmates and was happy to hear when the professor spoke again that they were almost ready to move onto the actual brewing.
“It is very dangerous if taken after being brewed incorrectly.” Which was definitely a reason it was difficult and time consuming to brew. You needed to be extremely extra careful when making it or run the risk of the potentially deadly consequences of consuming a batch that wasn’t spot on.
Evan stayed silent during the next question, primarily because he couldn't think off the top of his head on any actual GOOD reason to use the potion outside of the historical use already discussed. Harry Potter clearly had had to use it in order to obtain the necessary information to fight Voldemort but... something short of that, was it a necessity? And he hesitated from bringing that up, merely because a previous debate with Chalcedony was floating through his head. Who were they to play judge and jury on what was a good use of the potion, like for a benefit of all or to 'stop a bad guy' so to say, versus just... blackmailing like Desiree said? It was all too complicated to get into, so he was perfectly content to just listen.
Besides, he was also a little preoccupied with Kinsay's answer. Why murder? In what way for murder??
Heading back to his seat and settling next to Jude again, Evan picked up a pen to take notes. First things that came to his mind as well was the safety aspects, but everyone pretty much had those covered. Except.. for one point that popped into his mind, so he raised his hand to add. "Felix Felicis gives you the confidence to pretty much try to take on whatever. However, the potion does wear off. So if you were taking it for the intent of dealing with a dangerous situation, the loss of luck could prove disastrous."
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Raising his hand as he appeared back to normal he sighed in relief. Whew... and here he thought he'll have to go all lesson being what was like the disillusionment charm. He waa glad people were able to see him, now he could join the rest of his class without getting looked weirdly at. Although he was getting really tired of this back and forth nonsense, it was a pain. "I don't think it should be used for your own personal gain sir, for example if you try using it to get lucky with money or so then no that's abusing what it can truly be used form"
Liquid luck was a potion with many pros and cons in Bella's opinion. It seemed like the cons started to weigh over the pros as her peers started to list off negative effects of using the potion as the debate continued on. Bella thought over what to say trying to think of something that none of the others had already said. Raising her hand eventually after she had claimed a vacant seat in one of the desks at the front. "If you drink too much liquid luck, you can become so over-confident in your abilities to for example do a broom trick that you get yourself into a dangerous situation when the potions effect wears off, and you as a result fall off your broom, and land badly on say your arm that breaks because you actually don't have the skills to pull off said broom trick." Maybe Bella should have chosen the other side now from the beginning. This was a confusing potion. Could they brew now?
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This Badger was more than ready to get to brewing this potion and getting on with the lesson. Group discussion can be over now, please and thank you. She could only be so lucky, right? Of course there was another question. At least this one wouldn't pin her against her brother in whatever she said. Slowly she raised her hand.
"Sir, doesn't it take a very long time to brew correctly? Like months. I think it's around six?" Which was an insanely long time for any potion to sit around brewing. Who had that much time on their hands?! Only someone that really knew what they were doing, that's who. As if gathering up all the ingredients and then going through each step exactly wasn't enough you then needed to wait six months to find out if it had actually worked. Yeah, no thank you! She would much rather do things the old fashion way, on her own.
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For the record, Desiree would never blackmail anyone, with or without the use of Felix Felicis. Everybody knew that, right? She just said that because all the obvious answers were taken, and she didn't see the point in saying the same thing a hundred times. Something else she didn't see the point in? Dragging out this discussion when there were people in this room afflicted by Peeves's "gifts" who might need to use that potion sooner rather than later!
Okay, so… things to be mindful of when dealing with Felix Felicis. She tried to come up with an answer, but frankly, she was more interested in what her classmates were saying. Wait, Felix Felicis took six months to brew?! Ohnononononono! That would never do! She couldn't wait that long to stop the teddy rat transformations! And if it couldn't overcome powerful enchantments, did that mean it was useless against… whatever Peeves did to her?
Desiree was so distracted by her newfound worry that Felix Felicis wouldn't help her that she had a hard time concentrating on the question. Still she knew she had to at least try to answer, so she raised her hand tentatively. "Since it affects others' free will, shouldn't you be careful who you might encounter?" She said, "Like if you don't want to affect somebody, maybe you could avoid them until the potion wears off?" Maybe? She hoped! She really had no idea.
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Ash sat back down near her friends, still hung up on the idea about the potion affecting other people too. "If you use the potion to convince someone to do something, you have to deal with the consequences when the potion wears off. If the person finds out, they'd probably feel that you betrayed their trust, if you had it to start with..." She trailed off, thinking about something else, a different ethical potions question. Frowning slightly, she scratched at her arms.
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She listened to the rest of the peers' answers after Professor Hernandez added commentary on to her response. Prohibited in Quidditch. She added that note to her notebook before entertaining his next question. She paused, mulling over the limitations and effects of the potion. As she was thinking, she was promptly reminded of a conversation she had with Kai in the kitchens the other day about ice cream and Hershey kisses. Too much of a good thing could be a bad thing. That concept must apply to the potion too. She recalled reading something in the text that insinuated that.
Lisa raised her hand once more and waited to be called on. "Professor, too much of anything in excess is not a good thing. This potion fits that phrase... Isn't it highly toxic if consumed in excess amounts?"
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Poor Keigh. Jude just wanted to squish her and let her know that everything was alright. He was just surprised at her choice, and it reminded him that one truly never knew someone - no matter how close two people were. But he still didn’t and would never think less of his baby sister. As for his own reply to the second question, Jude figured that one could escape the werewolf if they were lucky enough to have been walking around with the potion at the time. A slim chance but a chance nonetheless.
There were indeed a few things they should know before moving onto brewing the potion. One of the most important points was mentioned by a certain Ravenclaw. Already Jude’s hand was in the air. “To add to what Lisa said, Professor. Too much use of the potion causes recklessness and giddiness.”
"Very good," Javier nodded at Lisa and Jude in turn at their answers. He was hoping someone would bring up the toxicity of the potion. "Too much of a good thing, as they say - if you drink excess amounts, the potion ends up becoming toxic. A built in fail safe to try and prevent abuse."
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Luther thought 'Seems like father's notes work.' with a small shy smile on his face.
After the professor's question, he thought for a while and tried to remember what was written in his father's notes. Then with a slightly unsure tone, he said "I think, the potion's effect cannot overcome powerful enchantments or it is less effective against them." To the end of his sentence, his voice rose involuntarily ever so slightly belying his uncertainty.
"Good answer," Javier smiled at Luther. "Yes, dark enchantments such as those you might find on cursed objects or Unforgiveable Curses are not affected by Felix Felicis at all. Unbreakable vows are another thing the potion cannot undo," he added.
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Wait…he realized as Professor Hernandez spoke further on the matters being raised by both sides of the class that he had made a mistake. He had moved in the wrong direction…to the front of the classroom instead of the back. He wasn’t against the teaching of the brewing of Liquid Luck, he was for the knowledge just with limitations in its usage. Could he discretely make his way towards the back of the room and pretend he had been there all along?
Pay no attention to the Ravenclaw who felt on the fence of things.
Maybe he could blame it on dealing with his water and rain issues.
Regardless, Rajesh was staying quiet on the next batch of questions raised to either side. The better to NOT confuse which side of the argument he was actually on…AGAIN. Rather he listened to his classmates and was happy to hear when the professor spoke again that they were almost ready to move onto the actual brewing.
“It is very dangerous if taken after being brewed incorrectly.” Which was definitely a reason it was difficult and time consuming to brew. You needed to be extremely extra careful when making it or run the risk of the potentially deadly consequences of consuming a batch that wasn’t spot on.
"Excellent point," Javier replied to Raj's answer with a nod. "If you mess up the brewing process, even in the slightest - it could make you incredibly ill, or possibly even be fatal," he explained. You know - depending on how badly you screwed up.
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Evan stayed silent during the next question, primarily because he couldn't think off the top of his head on any actual GOOD reason to use the potion outside of the historical use already discussed. Harry Potter clearly had had to use it in order to obtain the necessary information to fight Voldemort but... something short of that, was it a necessity? And he hesitated from bringing that up, merely because a previous debate with Chalcedony was floating through his head. Who were they to play judge and jury on what was a good use of the potion, like for a benefit of all or to 'stop a bad guy' so to say, versus just... blackmailing like Desiree said? It was all too complicated to get into, so he was perfectly content to just listen.
Besides, he was also a little preoccupied with Kinsay's answer. Why murder? In what way for murder??
Heading back to his seat and settling next to Jude again, Evan picked up a pen to take notes. First things that came to his mind as well was the safety aspects, but everyone pretty much had those covered. Except.. for one point that popped into his mind, so he raised his hand to add. "Felix Felicis gives you the confidence to pretty much try to take on whatever. However, the potion does wear off. So if you were taking it for the intent of dealing with a dangerous situation, the loss of luck could prove disastrous."
"Good answer Mister Nam," Javier said to the elder Ravenclaw. "True, if you're counting on Liquid Luck to be your safety net...you better make sure you have enough time to do whatever it is you need to do, or face the consequences." Granted, he didn't think anyone should be using the potion to do ANYTHING that dangerous - but then again, people were crazy. Muggles jumped out of AIRPLANES all the time, after all.
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Originally Posted by Granger Danger
Raising his hand as he appeared back to normal he sighed in relief. Whew... and here he thought he'll have to go all lesson being what was like the disillusionment charm. He waa glad people were able to see him, now he could join the rest of his class without getting looked weirdly at. Although he was getting really tired of this back and forth nonsense, it was a pain. "I don't think it should be used for your own personal gain sir, for example if you try using it to get lucky with money or so then no that's abusing what it can truly be used form"
"It is," Javier nodded in agreement. "Not to mention you could easily get in to legal trouble with that," he added as an afterthought. What did the muggles call that? Would that be some form of insider trading or something? Eh. Javi didn't know. He didn't go to school for MATH.
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Originally Posted by Nordic Witch
Liquid luck was a potion with many pros and cons in Bella's opinion. It seemed like the cons started to weigh over the pros as her peers started to list off negative effects of using the potion as the debate continued on. Bella thought over what to say trying to think of something that none of the others had already said. Raising her hand eventually after she had claimed a vacant seat in one of the desks at the front. "If you drink too much liquid luck, you can become so over-confident in your abilities to for example do a broom trick that you get yourself into a dangerous situation when the potions effect wears off, and you as a result fall off your broom, and land badly on say your arm that breaks because you actually don't have the skills to pull off said broom trick." Maybe Bella should have chosen the other side now from the beginning. This was a confusing potion. Could they brew now?
Lots of students seemed to be going with the 'you were going to cause deadly harm to yourself by over-estimating your mortality' route with their answers, which hadn't been what he was EXPECTING but Javier would take it none the less! "Very good point, Miss Connelly," he said with a smile.
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Originally Posted by Kolyander
This Badger was more than ready to get to brewing this potion and getting on with the lesson. Group discussion can be over now, please and thank you. She could only be so lucky, right? Of course there was another question. At least this one wouldn't pin her against her brother in whatever she said. Slowly she raised her hand.
"Sir, doesn't it take a very long time to brew correctly? Like months. I think it's around six?" Which was an insanely long time for any potion to sit around brewing. Who had that much time on their hands?! Only someone that really knew what they were doing, that's who. As if gathering up all the ingredients and then going through each step exactly wasn't enough you then needed to wait six months to find out if it had actually worked. Yeah, no thank you! She would much rather do things the old fashion way, on her own.
"Correct, Miss Anders," Javier answered her with a smile. "We'll get to that in just a minute," he added. She brought up something he was going to touch on later, just in case anyone was getting any ideas about trying to sneak their potion out of here later...
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Originally Posted by MadMadamMalfoy
For the record, Desiree would never blackmail anyone, with or without the use of Felix Felicis. Everybody knew that, right? She just said that because all the obvious answers were taken, and she didn't see the point in saying the same thing a hundred times. Something else she didn't see the point in? Dragging out this discussion when there were people in this room afflicted by Peeves's "gifts" who might need to use that potion sooner rather than later!
Okay, so… things to be mindful of when dealing with Felix Felicis. She tried to come up with an answer, but frankly, she was more interested in what her classmates were saying. Wait, Felix Felicis took six months to brew?! Ohnononononono! That would never do! She couldn't wait that long to stop the teddy rat transformations! And if it couldn't overcome powerful enchantments, did that mean it was useless against… whatever Peeves did to her?
Desiree was so distracted by her newfound worry that Felix Felicis wouldn't help her that she had a hard time concentrating on the question. Still she knew she had to at least try to answer, so she raised her hand tentatively. "Since it affects others' free will, shouldn't you be careful who you might encounter?" She said, "Like if you don't want to affect somebody, maybe you could avoid them until the potion wears off?" Maybe? She hoped! She really had no idea.
It was a good thing Javier didn't have mind reading powers and had no idea about Desiree's plan to brew some Felix Felicis to deal with Peeves and the gifts he had bestowed upon the students. While it was a good idea, Javier would have HIGHLY frowned upon that. Plus school would be over with by the time they got finished with it! And therefore absolutely useless. In addition to the whole letting-a-student-run-around-with-Liquid-Luck thing that Javier found highly unethical.
"That is definitely something to consider," Javier said with a nod. "I suppose if you didn't have any nefarious purposes or weren't necessarily TRYING to influence other's behaviors, you wouldn't have to worry about that so much," he explained. It was one of those things you had to think about carefully before acting.
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Originally Posted by astrocat
Ash sat back down near her friends, still hung up on the idea about the potion affecting other people too. "If you use the potion to convince someone to do something, you have to deal with the consequences when the potion wears off. If the person finds out, they'd probably feel that you betrayed their trust, if you had it to start with..." She trailed off, thinking about something else, a different ethical potions question. Frowning slightly, she scratched at her arms.
"You could certainly cause some...complicated issues with your personal relationships," Javier nodded in agreement. He could practically SEE Ashley's brain trailing off down the rabbit hole of that ethical dilemma, so that meant it was the perfect time to move on.
"Alright everyone, for the rest of the class we shall move on to the brewing portion. Now, before you all get too excited - as Miss Anders pointed out, this potion takes SIX MONTHS to brew correctly. The good part is, the preparation only takes under half an hour. We just, obviously, will not allow all of them to brew to fruition. As we established today - vials of Liquid Luck laying around the castle could cause all sorts of problems we'd rather not deal with," he said with a small chuckle. Imagine if Peeves got his hands on this stuff? Merlin save them all.
"I have divved out your ingredients onto individual trays," he explained, gesturing to the long table on the side of the room with enough trays for all the students. "Please come up, grab your tray, and return to your stations and begin brewing. The recipe can be found on page 39 of your textbooks, or you may reference the blackboard," he explained, waving his wand so the recipe was posted behind him.
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Originally Posted by FELIX FELICIS
Ingredients:
1 Ashwinder egg, whole
4 tablespoons horseradish
1 squill bulb
1 pinch tincture of thyme
3 occamy eggshells
1 pinch of powdered common rue
1 growth from the back of a Murtlap
1. Add Ashwinder egg to a cauldron, then add horseradish and heat with a low flame for 5 minutes. Extinguish flame. 2. Juice a squill bulb, add to the cauldron and stir vigorously. Do NOT add the whole bulb, just the juice (assure at least 1 tablespoon has been juiced) 3. Chop up the anemone-like growth from the back of Murtlap into 1 inch wide pieces, add all to mixture and heat on a low flame for 2 minutes. 4. Add a dash of tincture of thyme and stir slowly for 1 minute. 5. Grind up Occamy eggshells and add to mixture. 6. Stir slowly 5 times counterclockwise then heat the cauldron with a medium flame for 10 minutes. 7. Add a sprinkle of powdered common rue. 8. Stir vigorously for 5 straight minutes (your arm WILL hurt!) then heat the cauldron one last time with a high flame for 5 minutes. 9. Wave wand over potion in a figure of eight and say incantation ‘Felixempra!' Potion should turn gold in color (however it will not develop it's 'metallic' looking texture until further along the brewing process)
"You may begin. Please let me know if you have any questions!"
OOC: And we have finally gotten to the brewing portion of the lesson! You have until Monday, October 10th at around 7 PM CDT to finish up your potions. You may post in one long post, or break it up over many posts however you see fit. Please note this recipe is pulled from the HP wiki, however it wasn't very specific so I added some additional instructions to it to clarify quantities/ingredients/time/etc so...just go with it lol. Let me know if you have any questions, I'll be checking periodically all weekend!
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"Good answer," Javier smiled at Luther. "Yes, dark enchantments such as those you might find on cursed objects or Unforgiveable Curses are not affected by Felix Felicis at all. Unbreakable vows are another thing the potion cannot undo," he added.
"Alright everyone, for the rest of the class we shall move on to the brewing portion. Now, before you all get too excited - as Miss Anders pointed out, this potion takes SIX MONTHS to brew correctly. The good part is, the preparation only takes under half an hour. We just, obviously, will not allow all of them to brew to fruition. As we established today - vials of Liquid Luck laying around the castle could cause all sorts of problems we'd rather not deal with," he said with a small chuckle. Imagine if Peeves got his hands on this stuff? Merlin save them all.
"I have divved out your ingredients onto individual trays," he explained, gesturing to the long table on the side of the room with enough trays for all the students. "Please come up, grab your tray, and return to your stations and begin brewing. The recipe can be found on page 39 of your textbooks, or you may reference the blackboard," he explained, waving his wand so the recipe was posted behind him.
SPOILER!!: Felix Felicis
Ingredients:
1 Ashwinder egg, whole
4 tablespoons horseradish
1 squill bulb
1 pinch tincture of thyme
3 occamy eggshells
1 pinch of powdered common rue
1 growth from the back of a Murtlap
1. Add Ashwinder egg to a cauldron, then add horseradish and heat with a low flame for 5 minutes. Extinguish flame.
2. Juice a squill bulb, add to the cauldron and stir vigorously. Do NOT add the whole bulb, just the juice (assure at least 1 tablespoon has been juiced)
3. Chop up the anemone-like growth from the back of Murtlap into 1 inch wide pieces, add all to mixture and heat on a low flame for 2 minutes.
4. Add a dash of tincture of thyme and stir slowly for 1 minute.
5. Grind up Occamy eggshells and add to mixture.
6. Stir slowly 5 times counterclockwise then heat the cauldron with a medium flame for 10 minutes.
7. Add a sprinkle of powdered common rue.
8. Stir vigorously for 5 straight minutes (your arm WILL hurt!) then heat the cauldron one last time with a high flame for 5 minutes.
9. Wave wand over potion in a figure of eight and say incantation ‘Felixempra!' Potion should turn gold in color (however it will not develop it's 'metallic' looking texture until further along the brewing process)
"You may begin. Please let me know if you have any questions!"
OOC: And we have finally gotten to the brewing portion of the lesson! You have until Monday, October 10th at around 7 PM CDT to finish up your potions. You may post in one long post, or break it up over many posts however you see fit. Please note this recipe is pulled from the HP wiki, however it wasn't very specific so I added some additional instructions to it to clarify quantities/ingredients/time/etc so...just go with it lol. Let me know if you have any questions, I'll be checking periodically all weekend!
'I didn't know that, so I guess I can rule out using Felix Felicis for tricking people.' thought Luther after Professor Hernandez's response.
After listening to the Professor's explanation, Luther walked towards the long table with trays filled with required ingredients and took one. Returning to his station at the back of the class, he started reading the instructions once again. Just to be sure, he read them twice more. He didn't want it to explode in his face. Even though he didn't have much hope to brew the potion correctly, he still wanted to be safe.
After ensuring he roughly memorized the recipe and calming himself as much as he can, Luther started brewing the potion by adding the Ashwinder egg to his cauldron. As he was stirring after adding a dash of tincture of thyme (he had to double check if it was a pinch or a dash of it), he realized he didn't know which direction he should stir in. However, it was too late as he was stirring in a clockwise direction already. Deciding to cut his losses as much as he can, he raised his hand and asked "Professor, should we assume the stirring direction is clockwise unless otherwise stated?"
Hoping he was doing the right thing he kept stirring in the clockwise direction. He didn't want to think about what could happen when potions and brewing go wrong. His family lost enough to that.
~ Mrs. Steve Harrington ~ It be like that sometimes.
Now that they were going to get started on the brewing, it meant that they could return to their workstations. Jude was completely down for then not fully brewing the potions because he was inclined to agree with Hernandez on the amount of trouble a batch of the potion could potentially cause. He stepped up to grab a tray of the ingredients before returning to his workstation set between the best friend and the little sister. “You okay?” he asked Keighley the second they were close to each other again, and gave her an one armed hug.
The Hufflepuff immediately got to work by first magically cleaning out his cauldron and other potion-brewing equipment. Only then was the Ashwinder egg gently placed into his cauldron. This was followed up by the four tablespoons of horseradish. “Incendio!’’ The burner beneath was lit and adjusted to the required low flame. The five minutes ticked away slowly but they eventually were up and that flame was put out. Juicing the squill bulb was something Jude found that he enjoyed doing for some reason. He was actually disappointed when he had extracted one tablespoon of juice and the process had to end. The juice was added to the mix, and he began stirring vigorously as directed. He heard Luther’s question and the sixth year eyed Hernandez, still stirring the contents of his cauldron. He would like to think Luther was right when he said that stirring clockwise was the way to go unless told differently. Most persons stirred clockwise in general?
Wrinkling his face into an unamused look, Jude began working on the Murtlap growth. By the time he was done, there were several one inch pieces which were all added with the other ingredients. With the burner relit and set to low, Jude counted out two minutes. In went the tincture of thyme before he began stirring slowly - yes, clockwise since the instructions didn’t say it was a counterclockwise thing. With the one minute completed, Jude set aside the stirrer to add the three Occamy eggshells to his mortar. With the pestle, they were quickly ground up and dropped into the cauldron.
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Great, they were moving onto the actual brewing. Well the start of it actually given both the time span and the safety of brewing it. That thought made Rajesh look up. Yeah, he was going to take the extra precaution, using the movement of students to gather supplies as cover for discretely taking out his wand and wordlessly casting the umbrella spell Professor Madigan had taught him. That way if his crazy mixed up waterpower showed up, at least the rain part, it wouldn’t mess up his brewing. He’d have to be careful of his summoning incidents.
With the umbrella in place, he followed suite, picking up a tray of ingredients to return to the workstation where he had dropped off his belongings before the discussions had broken out. Then he set up his cauldron and opened up his textbook to the mentioned page to have it all ready in front of him rather than to keep looking up. They start with the ashwinder egg…one whole frozen egg carefully into the bottom of his cauldron. No explosions needed thank you. Then four tablespoons of horseradish followed before he set it to heat as directed.
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