Olivia smiled, albeit still forcibly, at Dora and her quip. Punching someone in the face was probably pretty effective, too, but she'd never hit anyone before. Unless you counted her slapping Takeru that one time... It hadn't knocked him out, but... It'd stunned him. And her hand had throbbed afterwards. Not really something she wanted to repeat... "You must have hands of steel." It was said in a joking manner, and meant just in that way, as well. Not sarcasm or anything.

Magic had to be more fullproof. And less painful.

Anyway, the professor was doing a bit of talking... and others were already offering up answers, so Liv took to writing things down. Her head was starting to really hurt, and it wasn't doing great things for her concentration. Although, there was one thing she wanted to add.... or ask about? Whichever. "I think wood would be better, because... you can smear blood on them, and it kinda seeps into the wood, right? There would be...." The Gryffindor paused trying to clear away the sudden dizziness. "... There would be traces left behind. So... maybe that would keep it powered up. Maybe?"

Ugh, she was going to be sick.

Mostly what he wanted know was a discussion since well he had no activity planned. Which it only made him happier when something he was not even going to bring up did get brought up. Bone Runes. Very Interesting Stuff. He would have thought the first thing brought up is Stone besides wood

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Wasn't he going to tell them more? Char was waiting but it didn't happen, and oh! He wanted people to copy her answer? But she hadn't double checked anything, or gone into proper detail, just rattled off a few things that she knew and there was tons more, right? Too bad they weren't getting to try making them.... but they were moving on already, and that was cool with Char too, since she did often get bored of things... but even she was a bit thrown by how much they were jumping around.

She stuck her hand up at the next question.

"Professor, I think wood is traditionally best for a reason, especially fruit-bearing woods, because then you can invoke them properly because its connected with living things, and its easier for carving the runes in! Bone is good if you want to do more powerful or harmful magic though!" Well, some people did.

"Why would you say Bones Runes when talking about more powerful magic?"

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So, it had taken some time but Daisy was now lost. They were talking about curses and tattoos and now carving and it was all so fast that she sort of got lost somewhere in the middle. Honestly, she was still thinking about the poor horses getting beheaded.

But Norse times, eh?

Professor Sokolov had told her about Nid curses and she carefully wrote it down on her piece of parchment, but something wasn't quite adding up. "Professor," She started after raising her hand. "If Nid curses were that powerful, why did they need to do any carving to invoke the runes?" Couldn't they just curse their opponents verbally and be done with it?

Or did they need to invoke the runes in Nid curses as well? ... they probably did, didn't they? Oops.

Yeah he probably should have been more clear on that. His mistake. "They would need to invoke the runes on the pole of the nidstang. Sorry if that wasn't clear. Its a very powerful and ancient ritual, One that should not and would not be used lightly and whimsically. My question to you is do you think its easier to just curse them person instead of during the ceremony?"

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Envoking runes wasn't something she was used to, or had thought much about. She tilted her head though, something coming to mind. Doing a rune on a skin. That meant doing it on a live person. "Professor..." She murmured as the put her hand into the air. "Surely trying to do a rune on someone's skin would have the problem of them maybe not being still? So I would think maybe the wood would be better?" Logic would make it easier to envoke a rune on a medium that wasn't moving. Well it made sense to Hattie that way, and she didn't really understand the subject a lot, so it did help.

She did have a point. Especially if the person did not like pain. "You would not have any problems with having to worry about wood moving. Though you could say the same with about stone or bone. Couldn't you?"

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Whooooooa. This was pretty cool! Brent had never thought of Ancient Runes as being anything remotely close to cool, but now that he was starting to see some connections, he thought he might like it. A little bit. Maybe. We'll see...

He listened to the discussion on tattoos and slowly began forming an opinion. Also, he had chosen a rune of protection, hadn't he? The professor had said he was surprised nobody had chosen a rune of protection, but Brent thought the one he'd chosen related to protection, too. Or not. He wasn't the best Runes student.

So onto those tattoos. Brent raised his hand. "I started to say skin, but that seems really permanent to me, or at least permanent until you can find a way to get it off," he said. "With wood, though, you can get rid of it if need be. Let's just say you ended up getting a rune on your skin and then you decide it was the wrong course of action. I don't know...maybe it's some curse or something. You're kind of stuck with it on your skin, but on a piece of wood, can't you just get rid of the wood?" Or was there some sort of weird connection between the carver and the wood at that point?

Really all he was looking for was solid reasoning behind the answers. Right or wrong it did not matter right now. Like Mister Westwood's answer about it being somewhat permanent. "Its less permanent than say stone. But you have a good point. You would be stuck with it even if the curse if removed. But do you think a rune on the skin is less powerful because its on the skin and no on wood or stone? "

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Wood…skin…or something else?

What did she thing was the best for calling upon runes? Cassie had to think hard on that, cutting out additional options given she couldn’t think of others at the moment. Both wood and skin were technically natural and living which she had to agree with others seeming like it made an impact in the summoning behind the carved runes in it. But then the professor had mentioned that on the skin they were tattoos not carved…did that make a difference?

“I think it would have to do with how the tattoos were applied. The act of carving into wood…or stone is part of the infusion of the magic behind the rune, wouldn’t then the application onto skin need to follow the same lines to be as strong or stronger?” That that she was thinking carving runes into skin was a good idea, but some were applied with needles…right?

Ah now he got something about infusion

"That Miss McNally is where those type of runes get their strength from. From infusing the runes whether it be bone, stone, wood. Different materials will have different strengths. Its the same principle with skin. Just you would hope there is no carving. Do you think skin is the weakest of the runes i listed. bone, stone, wood?"

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Listening to his fellow Gryffindors and the Professor, the Curly Top nodded his head. Curses are nasty business innit-- even before the actual cursing.

And then the Runesman asked the next question, and with that Tenacius had to give pause. "Uhm.... Professor, I guess it depends on what you're gonna use the Runes for? I mean yeah, wood would be good--" he nudged his head at Char's response "-- but there might be situations where using stone or metal might be more appropriate, for one thing those material will last longer than wood... or maybe you want a rune to conduct electricity or something, so a metal one would be better than wood?.... I dunno." Runes looks so cool but it does seem to be so complicated.

"Have not heard anything about metal. A rune to conduct electricity. I have not tested that. But sounds like a fun experiment. Would you think it would stronger that way than just using a rune on wood?"

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Thinking for a few minutes about the asked question she came up with a idea she thought best because it was actually something she knew Muggles were doing and she raised her hand. “Professor, I think that it’s good to carve them into gemstones because some believe that they are connected to living beings AND you can carry them with you” she said slowly, although she herself wasn’t exactly believing in the use of those stones… But, Muggles were doing it so why not mention it here? “It’s also handy because you can easy carry them with you in a small pocket” she continued.

Gemstones was another he was not that knowledgeable about. Its interesting to think about what type of power it would have when invoked. "I have not heard that they are connected to human beings. While it is also part of nature. To tell the truth i know nothing about gemstones. So it would be an interesting thing to test like the metal"

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All this was basically going over the first year's head...and soooooooooort of starting to sound loads like things he had read in the various wandlore books he had attempted to understand in the library. Attempt being the key word. Seemed that several of his classmates actually knew what they were talking about and the Hufflepuff couldn't help but make starry eyes at one Charlotte Kettleburn who seemed to always talk SO smart.

So he was in a bit of a schoolboy daze when he raised his hand to offer up an answer - because he knew what wood was the best! - and eyes certainly not on the professor when he was called upon. But thankfully there was not too much of an awkward pause between him being called and him speaking. Although noticeable enough.

"Lime and ash!"

The BEST woods for a REASON!

Lime and Ash. Well he did not give a why for the answer. But he was not wrong since it is types of wood. But he should expect Viktor to ask why.

"Why Ash and Lime"

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Olivia smiled, albeit still forcibly, at Dora and her quip. Punching someone in the face was probably pretty effective, too, but she'd never hit anyone before. Unless you counted her slapping Takeru that one time... It hadn't knocked him out, but... It'd stunned him. And her hand had throbbed afterwards. Not really something she wanted to repeat... "You must have hands of steel." It was said in a joking manner, and meant just in that way, as well. Not sarcasm or anything.

Magic had to be more fullproof. And less painful.

Anyway, the professor was doing a bit of talking... and others were already offering up answers, so Liv took to writing things down. Her head was starting to really hurt, and it wasn't doing great things for her concentration. Although, there was one thing she wanted to add.... or ask about? Whichever. "I think wood would be better, because... you can smear blood on them, and it kinda seeps into the wood, right? There would be...." The Gryffindor paused trying to clear away the sudden dizziness. "... There would be traces left behind. So... maybe that would keep it powered up. Maybe?"

Ugh, she was going to be sick.

Blood Magic mixed with traditional rune magic. Very interesting.

"So to power up the rune by using blood. You don't think you could get the same result using a bone instead of using blood and wood?"

Well now he had a list of different materials and at least got the majority thinking about the different uses of them. He wasn't going to go off on a another subject anymore or ask for another relic of Ancient Norse history. Now it was just time to find everyone's opinions. "So to recap. We went from just Wood and Skin to include Bone, Stone, Metal, Gemstones, And even Blood Magic to mix together with all these. Though as said. I don't really know anything about gemstones or Metal. What gives all these the power they have besides your own magical talent? I would say its a mix of your belief in the Rune and how strongly the the material you are carving the rune is connected to life or living things. Which would make wood not the best but one of the most reliable especially if it is from fruit-wood. But each have their purpose. Now it all depends on what you are using the Runes for. Do you think there is any material's i have not said that can be used. And what would you use Bone, Stone or even Metal Runes for? "


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Oh his meanderings suddenly got the Prof's attention. "Uhm well Sir... I was thinking electricity or like.... energy. You know maybe like.... lightning or something. Maybe a material like metal with Runic carvings can make sure that energy will be directed away from something-- or towards it, if someone wants to harness lightning." Wood isnt a conductor of the sort of energy like lightning, that much he knew, but he also knew there are sort of energy that isnt always generated by spells, and those were the ones he was thinking about, even if he isnt yet of the understanding about the existence of more potent elements.

Were there any other things they could use to carve runes on? "Well Sir what about Amber? Or Lead?"

Dude. Zoryn had no idea.

So instead of paying attention, she just stared at the Professor and smiled a lot and batted her eyelashes. Because that was the best way to be if you didn't know the answer. Cute. She would answer the question with being cute.

It was a great strategy.

Hi.

But also, she liked Tenacius' answer. 'Cause he was the best.

And if you could use lead then maybe you could DRAW runes with a pencil and they'd have magic powers and stuff. Wouldn't that be AWESOME!?!?!?!? Eh. Zoryn wasn't sure. It sounded like it would be... But then again, she had no idea what was going on...

Well for the first question, Leon had some ideas..and he raised his handz

"Perhaps Leather? Glass and Crystal as well. " He said with a nod, though to be honest he had no idea about what use Bone. Stone or metal runes would have..

Would it not be for casting?

The older boy honestly had no clue..

Pffff, why all those questions about those materials? If she had known this beforehand she would have done some research! Well… At last she now had a idea what to expect the next lesson… Deciding to AGAIN keep quit and to just make notes she wrote down the answers what were given by the others and, more importantly, the answers what sounded more reliable… Thinking back about the answers she had given herself to the previous question she wondered WHY Muggles were carving runes in those gemstones. Some of the kids at her school had showed her a few runes carved in stones called rose quartz but nobody had ever been able to explain to her WHY those runes were carved in THOSE stones… Hmm… No matter how long she thought about it, she couldn’t answer the question and THAT was frustrating her…

Carlton seeearched and searched in his mind after something useful. But came up blank. And professor Sokolov had told him that he couldn't use Ansuz to pass his exams. So he was in quite a pickle.

He flipped through the textbook and tried to scribble down some notes of what the older students mentioned but he didn't understand much. They were talking about tatoos, then wood and gems and... Blood? He blinked. OK then.
On the outside he sat silent, jotting down some notes every now and then. On the inside however, he was having a party.

Inside: "Never gonna give you up, never gonna let you down
Never gonna run around and desert you
Never gonna make you cry, never gonna say goodbye
Never gonna tell a lie and hurt yoooou!"

Outside: Blink. Blink.

Professor Sokolov could seem quite mean and stuff but really, he wasn't. Daisy knew that because he was apologising for her asking a stupid question. Well, not stupid, she supposed. Just ... unnecessary? Yeah, she'll go with that. Unfortunately, that also meant he was now asking her in particular a question. The Slytherin frowned thoughtfully for a few seconds. "Well, it is probably easier to just curse the person, but probably not as effective?" She said unsurely. "I mean, if there is a ceremony, with an actual process, that would probably make the curse stronger, no?" Like, you know, when you slow cook meat. It always turns out better.

Yup, perfectly sound logic right there.

She honestly had no idea what use different materials would have but made sure to copy the different materials onto her parchment. Sure, she didn't have that many expectations for her Ancient Runes OWL exam but she wanted to at least pass - or at least not get a Troll. "Could food be used?" She suddenly asked, arm raised in the air.

Well, who knows?

The professor had asked Brent a specific question, but honestly, Brent didn't have a clue. He was just along for the ride at this point. "I don't think it's less powerful," he said, "just less convenient." Did that kind of thing even matter in Runes? "I would say that as long as you have the belief and intent behind it, it'll work just the same in lots of places." So that was Brent's response to the question he'd been asked.

...and then he grew silent while the professor continued on. Finally, another question was asked. Brent had to think on this one. What else was there? Raising his hand, he said, "I don't know...what about glass or even clothes?" he asked. "...and maybe people long ago uses runes on weapons made from bone." He really had no idea about that one either. Something would have to pretty much be dead to have its bone exposed enough to carve a rune into. O_o.

Olivia had been relatively silent throughout class as she listened to the questions posed by the Professor and then the answers offered. She scribbled all the ideas down. She'd have to recap all of this later to make sure it all stayed in her head. Interesting. Wood and skin to bone, stone, metal, gemstones, and perhaps even blood magic. Blood magic sounded dangerous though. What would bone, stone, or metal runes be used for? She paused at Brent's answer... Well that made sense. Weapons could possibly have been made out of all of this materials. Bone, stone, and metal last longer than paper or any other material?

"Would you use them for protecting a castle or a fort?" Who know. OOH. MAYBE Hogwarts had some runes around. Wait. It did! There were the rune like symbols on the Clock Tower, right? hmm... "If you had a protection rune made out of bone, stone, and metal it should last for a long time as those materials would remain intact longer than placing a rune on a piece of wood as the wood could rot." Maybe? It was worth a shot!

Lesson's were a good, productive distraction, at least. Olivia felt drawn into the discussion and.... Yeah, this was okay. If her mind was flooded with all this information, it wasn't focused on something else.... Right?

....And the Professor had went in a different direction than the one she'd meant. "I've read about wizards and witches invoking runes with their blood...." For less nefarious purposes. Say you're marking runes into the garden posts surrounding your garden... and then you paint them in a bit of your blood, wouldn't the runes be more effective? Because of magical blood? But also, he'd asked another question, "I think this would pair with what Char said, actually... About fruit-baring woods. They were able to provide nutrients, etc... So, perhaps that could add to their effectiveness." She didn't know, honestly. It was all hypothetical, as she hadn't tested anything. A good discussion topic, though.

"Jewelry? Protection amulets?" Honestly, Liv hadn't considered runing crystals. Chewing on her bottom lip, she flipped to a clean page in her notebook, jotting something down. See, she'd considered making jewelry....

Huh.

Kane was resisting the urge to fall asleep. Runes were SO BORING, yo. But he tried to keep his eyes open, because one, he did not want to lose points. Two, if he failed this class after nearly failing LAST year at Ilvermorny, he was sure his parents would kill him.

Kane honestly didn't care at ALL about this stuff. Who CARED what type of surface people carved runes in to, really? If you were using runes, weren't you already a weirdo?

He raised his hand. "Um, bones sound like something you'd add to a potion. Or if you were going to curse someone," he explained. He just kept thinking of blood magic with that...for some reason. Wasn't that how that Voldemort dude had come back? Chopping off someone's hand and using their bones for some potion?

He had to brush up on his British Wizarding history...

Harvey raised his hand.

"What about clay?" Considering how good a material it was to create a Golem, he figured there must be something about it that would make it really powerful, so it would make sense that it would be connected to runes... right?

"It seems that things connected to bones or blood would be personal, curses or spells to really hurt or protect somebody, or link people together, something like that, but I think it would be quite individual magic rather than generic because everyone is so different, and everyone's magic is so different, it would be difficult to predict any outcomes, right?" Or something like that.

Oh now people were discussing things! Cool! Charlotte liked it when people got amped about the stuff she got amped for!

"Well... I think its because bones have a connection with life and death and rebirth. Where you choose fruit bearing trees, its more about the life and rebirth than the death and rebirth I think." Char added, after a enthusiastic nod at what Liv said, as well as the professor. "For people who want to cause harm or destruction, or even just harness destructive power for protection reasons," Which wasn't the same as harm really, was it? "Then bone is super effective..... but you still have to invoke it with blood or paint to make it actually do anything... if you just carved something pretty then it would just be decorative or like how muggles use them, wouldn't it?"

This was turning out to be a pretty interesting lesson. Sinead leaned forwards to listen more closely to the professor's words as he responded to everyone's different questions, carefully inking down all the different ideas. It sounded like a pretty inexact art, but any kind of permanent enchantment on an object like that was interesting. She knew it was possible, of course, but she still hadn't learned how to make objects exert a magical influence on something else in any of her lessons, so this was all new to her.

"Professor," she asked now, sticking her hand into the air and waving it slightly from side to side in case she wasn't attracting enough attention as was. "I don't understand why wood should be less good if it's just to do with living things. Because trees are alive as well, right? Unless it's to do with magical connection. And then maybe a wand wood tree would be better? Anyway, shouldn't any material work? If metal does? Because metal's never alive, is it?" Hm. Maybe she hadn't entirely answered the question that had been asked, thinking about it, but she was really just as interested in what she was thinking about. Anyway, everyone else would answer that, so she was just keeping things interesting, really.

Skylar was trying REALLY hard to pay attention and take notes, despite the fact that there was a scintilla of doubt that she would ever need to use Runes besides for passing her exams. Wood not the best carving material; yes that made sense. Truth be told, she would have said skin as being more reliable because it seemed more permanent tattooing rune in skin rather than wood, but she had remained quiet.

Materials that could be used that hadn't been mentioned? Sky placed the end of her quill to her temple thinking and trying to focus as to better materials. "Stone is well, as the saying goes, set in stone, so if you wanted something unchanging and permanent, then inscribing it into stone would be best." At least that made sense to her.

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Lime and Ash. Well he did not give a why for the answer. But he was not wrong since it is types of wood. But he should expect Viktor to ask why.
OH OH OH he had an answer for this!

"Why Ash and Lime"

"Wand woods-s-s!" he chirped as though that much was obvious. "AND Newt Scamander's wand was made from lime and ash." He paused a moment because something ELSE had come up. "BONE AS WELL!"

Huh...was there something about his hero's wand he was unaware of?

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Well now he had a list of different materials and at least got the majority thinking about the different uses of them. He wasn't going to go off on a another subject anymore or ask for another relic of Ancient Norse history. Now it was just time to find everyone's opinions. "So to recap. We went from just Wood and Skin to include Bone, Stone, Metal, Gemstones, And even Blood Magic to mix together with all these. Though as said. I don't really know anything about gemstones or Metal. What gives all these the power they have besides your own magical talent? I would say its a mix of your belief in the Rune and how strongly the the material you are carving the rune is connected to life or living things. Which would make wood not the best but one of the most reliable especially if it is from fruit-wood. But each have their purpose. Now it all depends on what you are using the Runes for. Do you think there is any material's i have not said that can be used. And what would you use Bone, Stone or even Metal Runes for? "

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he did not have a clue about what those runes would be used for - was it any different from other uses of runes? WERE there multiple uses and niches and what not? Not just all...protection things and divination purposes?

Clueless...Derf remained silent...and instead took a moment to feed Scamander a fly from his pocket.

Yeah, she agreed that carving on human flesh was a bad idea. Too much blood and danger and such leading to potentially nasty scarring. It would only work in the case of torturer which was sooooooo not her interest in the subject matter. "In that way...maybe," Cass partly agreed, seeing it from the professor's angle and his words. She was mulling it over as the class moved on, remaining quiet as random runes were mentioned to answer the latest question.

"Would depth and clarity of the carve impact the runes?" That was about what the Ravenclaw could come up for the latest batch of questions and discussion points raised to the class. No additional materials came to mind with the list already spoken for.

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Oh his meanderings suddenly got the Prof's attention. "Uhm well Sir... I was thinking electricity or like.... energy. You know maybe like.... lightning or something. Maybe a material like metal with Runic carvings can make sure that energy will be directed away from something-- or towards it, if someone wants to harness lightning." Wood isnt a conductor of the sort of energy like lightning, that much he knew, but he also knew there are sort of energy that isnt always generated by spells, and those were the ones he was thinking about, even if he isnt yet of the understanding about the existence of more potent elements.

Were there any other things they could use to carve runes on? "Well Sir what about Amber? Or Lead?"

Interesting ideas. Though he himself did not know. Harnessing lightning sounded like a stretch. But then again he did ask him a hard question.

"Lightning is a interesting idea even if it is dangerous. I don't know about harnessing it with runes. But it would be a fun experiment. Amber and Lead, huh. Lead i could see like Stone. But Amber is more connected to life. "

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Well for the first question, Leon had some ideas..and he raised his handz

"Perhaps Leather? Glass and Crystal as well. " He said with a nod, though to be honest he had no idea about what use Bone. Stone or metal runes would have..

Would it not be for casting?

The older boy honestly had no clue..

"Wouldn't carving a rune into the glass break it before you even try to invoke it?"

He was nitpicking. He gave some suggestions and he should be pleased about that. "Leather and Crystal are good suggestions Since Leather is directing from animals and life itself."

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Professor Sokolov could seem quite mean and stuff but really, he wasn't. Daisy knew that because he was apologising for her asking a stupid question. Well, not stupid, she supposed. Just ... unnecessary? Yeah, she'll go with that. Unfortunately, that also meant he was now asking her in particular a question. The Slytherin frowned thoughtfully for a few seconds. "Well, it is probably easier to just curse the person, but probably not as effective?" She said unsurely. "I mean, if there is a ceremony, with an actual process, that would probably make the curse stronger, no?" Like, you know, when you slow cook meat. It always turns out better.

Yup, perfectly sound logic right there.

She honestly had no idea what use different materials would have but made sure to copy the different materials onto her parchment. Sure, she didn't have that many expectations for her Ancient Runes OWL exam but she wanted to at least pass - or at least not get a Troll. "Could food be used?" She suddenly asked, arm raised in the air.

Well, who knows?

Viktor smiled. She reached the answer he got about the ceremony. "Correct. The simple curse might be easier. But since the ceremony is involving a lot of people and belief that it will work with runes invoked"

Food, well sad to say no food could not be used.

"No Food cant not be used. Even with its connection to living things. Its just not stable enough of a source. Even if you attempted it, the piece of food you use would just explode."

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The professor had asked Brent a specific question, but honestly, Brent didn't have a clue. He was just along for the ride at this point. "I don't think it's less powerful," he said, "just less convenient." Did that kind of thing even matter in Runes? "I would say that as long as you have the belief and intent behind it, it'll work just the same in lots of places." So that was Brent's response to the question he'd been asked.

...and then he grew silent while the professor continued on. Finally, another question was asked. Brent had to think on this one. What else was there? Raising his hand, he said, "I don't know...what about glass or even clothes?" he asked. "...and maybe people long ago uses runes on weapons made from bone." He really had no idea about that one either. Something would have to pretty much be dead to have its bone exposed enough to carve a rune into. O_o.

Good answer even it is a little wrong with the convent part. But since they are not forced to answer these questions. He was fine with the answer. He was going to ask why he went with convenient. But he felt he was just trying to answer it.

Viktor nodded at his ideas. Glass he already gave a question to and well clothes. Yeah lets not go there.

"Clothes is a no since its just fabric"

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Olivia had been relatively silent throughout class as she listened to the questions posed by the Professor and then the answers offered. She scribbled all the ideas down. She'd have to recap all of this later to make sure it all stayed in her head. Interesting. Wood and skin to bone, stone, metal, gemstones, and perhaps even blood magic. Blood magic sounded dangerous though. What would bone, stone, or metal runes be used for? She paused at Brent's answer... Well that made sense. Weapons could possibly have been made out of all of this materials. Bone, stone, and metal last longer than paper or any other material?

"Would you use them for protecting a castle or a fort?" Who know. OOH. MAYBE Hogwarts had some runes around. Wait. It did! There were the rune like symbols on the Clock Tower, right? hmm... "If you had a protection rune made out of bone, stone, and metal it should last for a long time as those materials would remain intact longer than placing a rune on a piece of wood as the wood could rot." Maybe? It was worth a shot!

"You could since since you could make runic wards. Kind of like the wards that are protecting this very school. And yes it you wand runes out of stone or bone. The main benefit of those is they will persist through time."

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Lesson's were a good, productive distraction, at least. Olivia felt drawn into the discussion and.... Yeah, this was okay. If her mind was flooded with all this information, it wasn't focused on something else.... Right?

....And the Professor had went in a different direction than the one she'd meant. "I've read about wizards and witches invoking runes with their blood...." For less nefarious purposes. Say you're marking runes into the garden posts surrounding your garden... and then you paint them in a bit of your blood, wouldn't the runes be more effective? Because of magical blood? But also, he'd asked another question, "I think this would pair with what Char said, actually... About fruit-baring woods. They were able to provide nutrients, etc... So, perhaps that could add to their effectiveness." She didn't know, honestly. It was all hypothetical, as she hadn't tested anything. A good discussion topic, though.

"Jewelry? Protection amulets?" Honestly, Liv hadn't considered runing crystals. Chewing on her bottom lip, she flipped to a clean page in her notebook, jotting something down. See, she'd considered making jewelry....

Huh.

Also you could say that the blood acted as a nutrient to invoking the rune. Viktor nodded to her answer "You would get more power out of using blood for a small price. though it all depends on what you are using it for."

She touching on a very good point that was previously brought up but still very much appropriate about fruit woods.
"It would add to their effectiveness but it still depends on what you are using it for to get the best results"

Jewelry, Not Bad.

"You certainly could not go wrong with protection amulets. And there is a history to people wanting protection and not wanting a full blown tattoo. Whether it being from runes or just normal magic"

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Kane was resisting the urge to fall asleep. Runes were SO BORING, yo. But he tried to keep his eyes open, because one, he did not want to lose points. Two, if he failed this class after nearly failing LAST year at Ilvermorny, he was sure his parents would kill him.

Kane honestly didn't care at ALL about this stuff. Who CARED what type of surface people carved runes in to, really? If you were using runes, weren't you already a weirdo?

He raised his hand. "Um, bones sound like something you'd add to a potion. Or if you were going to curse someone," he explained. He just kept thinking of blood magic with that...for some reason. Wasn't that how that Voldemort dude had come back? Chopping off someone's hand and using their bones for some potion?

He had to brush up on his British Wizarding history...

"Bone Runes are used for various reasons. rune readings, trying to amplify an invoking you are doing. But yes bones could be used in potions and trying to curse someone. But that would be for another class"

If you are talking about potions because go to Newton. But he was pretty sure Kane knew that.

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Harvey raised his hand.

"What about clay?" Considering how good a material it was to create a Golem, he figured there must be something about it that would make it really powerful, so it would make sense that it would be connected to runes... right?

"It seems that things connected to bones or blood would be personal, curses or spells to really hurt or protect somebody, or link people together, something like that, but I think it would be quite individual magic rather than generic because everyone is so different, and everyone's magic is so different, it would be difficult to predict any outcomes, right?" Or something like that.

"I would believe once the clay was harden it would be a legitimate material. From the earth and you could carry it like a stone or piece of wood."

He would have to do some research into clay once this was over.

"Strong emotions are a big part of blood and bones. Which makes sense when you consider curses are meant for a specific person. Yes to would have to be individual because if you make the magic or invoking as generic as possible you are going to lose why you wanted to invoke it in the first place whether to curse or protect or anything you want to do. Did that make sense to you?"

He kind of went off there.

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Oh now people were discussing things! Cool! Charlotte liked it when people got amped about the stuff she got amped for!

"Well... I think its because bones have a connection with life and death and rebirth. Where you choose fruit bearing trees, its more about the life and rebirth than the death and rebirth I think." Char added, after a enthusiastic nod at what Liv said, as well as the professor. "For people who want to cause harm or destruction, or even just harness destructive power for protection reasons," Which wasn't the same as harm really, was it? "Then bone is super effective..... but you still have to invoke it with blood or paint to make it actually do anything... if you just carved something pretty then it would just be decorative or like how muggles use them, wouldn't it?"

"Also for bones you are choosing to make it personal. No matter what kind of bone you are using. For fruit bearing. It is those things, but also hope. Hopethat things can get better or hope in whatever you are doing."

Destructive Power. Well he did not expect to hear anything about that today. But it made sense with what she was talking about.

"Not saying you can cause harm with any other type of room. But yes bone is the main one when talking about harm since it is more associated with death. Now if you just carve anything on it you would just have some jewelry like Olivia was talking about"

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This was turning out to be a pretty interesting lesson. Sinead leaned forwards to listen more closely to the professor's words as he responded to everyone's different questions, carefully inking down all the different ideas. It sounded like a pretty inexact art, but any kind of permanent enchantment on an object like that was interesting. She knew it was possible, of course, but she still hadn't learned how to make objects exert a magical influence on something else in any of her lessons, so this was all new to her.

"Professor," she asked now, sticking her hand into the air and waving it slightly from side to side in case she wasn't attracting enough attention as was. "I don't understand why wood should be less good if it's just to do with living things. Because trees are alive as well, right? Unless it's to do with magical connection. And then maybe a wand wood tree would be better? Anyway, shouldn't any material work? If metal does? Because metal's never alive, is it?" Hm. Maybe she hadn't entirely answered the question that had been asked, thinking about it, but she was really just as interested in what she was thinking about. Anyway, everyone else would answer that, so she was just keeping things interesting, really.

Ah maybe he was being confusing. He was sorry about that.

"Sorry, Wood is the safest bet when trying to invoking or just using runes in generally. Besides Stone. It depends on the use but Wood is probably still the go to material for the reasons you listed. Especially from a fruit wood. It has to do with its ability to bear life or fruit. There are other proven materials like stone and bone. But each have their own specific uses. But that doesn't mean you can try and find more that work right?
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Skylar was trying REALLY hard to pay attention and take notes, despite the fact that there was a scintilla of doubt that she would ever need to use Runes besides for passing her exams. Wood not the best carving material; yes that made sense. Truth be told, she would have said skin as being more reliable because it seemed more permanent tattooing rune in skin rather than wood, but she had remained quiet.

Materials that could be used that hadn't been mentioned? Sky placed the end of her quill to her temple thinking and trying to focus as to better materials. "Stone is well, as the saying goes, set in stone, so if you wanted something unchanging and permanent, then inscribing it into stone would be best." At least that made sense to her.

Ah well he had said stone was one. But he was not sure he said why it was one. But Skylar summed it up pretty nicely.

"Certainly set and and stone and not there is not a threat of it fading anytime soon. Stone Runes are special since most of the history of the alphabet we use is all from Stone Runes."

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"Wand woods-s-s!" he chirped as though that much was obvious. "AND Newt Scamander's wand was made from lime and ash." He paused a moment because something ELSE had come up. "BONE AS WELL!"

Huh...was there something about his hero's wand he was unaware of?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand he did not have a clue about what those runes would be used for - was it any different from other uses of runes? WERE there multiple uses and niches and what not? Not just all...protection things and divination purposes?

Clueless...Derf remained silent...and instead took a moment to feed Scamander a fly from his pocket.

Oh he was talking a wand. New Scamander's wand. That was the guy with the creatures book right. Viktor was sure he read it once. Whether it was here for CoMC or he was bored and had it on hand.

"Makes you wonder if the bone in the wand made out of ash and wood amplified any of the spell he was doing. Ash and Lime are good choices to use for wood as well"

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Yeah, she agreed that carving on human flesh was a bad idea. Too much blood and danger and such leading to potentially nasty scarring. It would only work in the case of torturer which was sooooooo not her interest in the subject matter. "In that way...maybe," Cass partly agreed, seeing it from the professor's angle and his words. She was mulling it over as the class moved on, remaining quiet as random runes were mentioned to answer the latest question.

"Would depth and clarity of the carve impact the runes?" That was about what the Ravenclaw could come up for the latest batch of questions and discussion points raised to the class. No additional materials came to mind with the list already spoken for.

"Intent is key. You want a clear picture of whatever you are carving and you don't want the carving to be weak so yes depth is important. Which is one of the weakness's of runic tattoo's"

Okay everyone had given their own materials, and added much to the discussion and Viktor was thankful to that and also no one stormed out of class and thankfully nothing was set on fire. He leaned back and forth on his feet trying to think thing to say next.

[B]"So we should all know know there are some material's that are know to work and have been used through out time. Stone, Bone, Wood. We went from Tattoo using skin to invoke runes to protect or used to keep a curse on someone. To one example of a a traditional curse in Norse. Though it that case it was best to invoke the runes on a post. Then to different types of materials that possibly could be used in different circumstances.Before i let you go i want you guys to think and try and answer this...Why do you think it is important to try to think of different ways and materials to invoke runes on even though we have the true and tested ways of invoking them on wood stone and bone?"[B]

And he hoped that made sense

OOC:Hi Guys. This is the last question. I will be wrapping up the class tomorrow. Probably around 24 hours again.

Harriet was still kind of as lost as she had been at the start of the lesson. She was going to have to do some more research on this subject, especially if she wanted to actually understand the next lesson. But for now she was going to try and answer the question. Surely she could answer it with a bit of logic. So she spent a few moments trying to think of an answer that at least a little bit of sense. A few seconds later and she put her hand into the air. "Uh.... Would the different ways and materials have a different reaction?" which would suggest why they needed different ones. "And different ones, means that if for instance we ran out of wood, we would still be able to evoke runes on another material" That kind of made sense to her. Kind of being the word there, but it was okay.

Unfortunately even Char's attention was wandering, given they weren't actually blowing stuff up doing anything practical, but she did give another effort at a response, hand wavering slightly.

"I think its important to try different materials to see what resonates with you," Just like with wands, in a way. "And depending on the magic you are doing."

WOOT! She got that right! Wooow, she was acing this Ancient Runes lesson, and she didn't even know exactly what they were talking about. No matter, though, because her first answer had been right ... although the suggestion of food was a material for invoking runes was wrong.

AH WELL. Can't have them all, right?

She wasn't exactly sure what Professor Sokolov was talking about right after that. She had gotten the three materials used to invoke runes, but after that there were just a lot of words. Her self-confidence levels were pretty high, though, so the Slytherin raised her hand and waiting for her turn. "Maybe we need new materials because people know how to ... un-invoke the runes that were invoked in ... say, wood?" Was un-invoke a word? It was now! "Maybe it's different to do a counter-curse depending on the material the curse was actually made." Daisy was definitely rambling and she was pretty sure she was also making stuff up. Could you even do counter-curses on runes?! No matter, she was winging it. "And if we use a new material, our enemy would waste a lot of time trying to find the right method for doing a counter-curse." And therefore die.

Or something like that.

Daisy didn't really add that last part out loud and instead dropped her hand, satisfied with herself. Look, if that isn't the right answer, it clearly should be.

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Oh he was talking a wand. New Scamander's wand. That was the guy with the creatures book right. Viktor was sure he read it once. Whether it was here for CoMC or he was bored and had it on hand.

"Makes you wonder if the bone in the wand made out of ash and wood amplified any of the spell he was doing. Ash and Lime are good choices to use for wood as well"

It DID make you wonder! Derf hadn't really done all THAT much research on wandlore just yet - just focusing on the core still and trying to figure out what exactly a fwooper feather one meant - but this notion of bone....did it matter what KIND of bone? What about how said bones were attained? Surely bones and such were collected from natural causes!?

And now the Hufflepuff was spiraling into concerns over whether or not his own wand's core had been achieved through humane means. Like...no one had sat there plucking a fwooper until naked, right?

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"So we should all know know there are some material's that are know to work and have been used through out time. Stone, Bone, Wood. We went from Tattoo using skin to invoke runes to protect or used to keep a curse on someone. To one example of a a traditional curse in Norse. Though it that case it was best to invoke the runes on a post. Then to different types of materials that possibly could be used in different circumstances.Before i let you go i want you guys to think and try and answer this...Why do you think it is important to try to think of different ways and materials to invoke runes on even though we have the true and tested ways of invoking them on wood stone and bone?"

And he hoped that made sense.

Derf only caught about half of that, but he was reminded of something mum had said to him so up went his hand again. "Well....it's-s like...everyone knows-s what a peanut butter and jelly s-s-sandwich is. You have peanut butter...and you have jelly. AND maybe you are used to s-smooth peanut butter and s-s-strawberry jelly...but if you don't try OTHER jellies...like like...BLUEBERRY...then you won't ever reeeeeeally know which one you like best! And maybe...you don't even like jelly best...you like peanut butter and HONEY...or NUTELLA!"

Basically...he was hungry, okay? And his thinking was kind of sort of meant to be along the same line of thought as one Charlotte Kettleburn,

And wait...class was almost over already? Well...there was SOME relief in that he wouldn't have to worry about runic tattoos being an activity or anything. He had sort of been concerned about that.

Intent is key, scribbled Olivia in her notebook as she repeated the phrase to herself. They needed a clear plan of what they were carving and wanted to make sure every small detailed was laced into the creation of said rune.

The Professor's next question stumped Olivia. Why do you think it is important to try to think of different ways and materials to invoke runes on even though we have the true and tested ways of creating them? Hmm.. "Professor, I think by knowing different ways and materials that could work on runes can help you improvise in a tough situation if you did not have any wood, stone, or bone nearby." For instance, if they were running from some dark creature and were in a library then a book would come in hand to draw a rune? Just maybe?

That just about made sense. Sort of. Basically, wood was good.

Sinead was carefully etching examples of different runes onto her parchment when the professor addressed the class as a whole again, with another question tagged onto the end. Well- this one was kind of obvious, wasn't it?
"Just because we already have magic which works, doesn't mean that we shouldn't look for new types of spells," she said, eyes blazing with enthusiasm. "Potioneers are always still inventing new potions, so why does it need to be different for anyone else? You can invent new spells and so you should be able to find new ways to use runes. Especially because other types of magic do have new things, it means that for runes to stay up to date, you need to find new ways to use them. Not just on the same materials, because those give the same effects." It was literally her dream to come up with a great new spell. Of whatever kind, really. But the sort of thing that every witch and wizard in the world would want to use and everyone would know forever that she invented it.

Maybe runes weren't going to bring her that kind of success, but people who liked them should still get to have fun finding new ways to use magic. She loved learning things, but what was the point if you only got to learn stuff other people already figured out? Sometimes you had to teach yourself.