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*PhoenixRising* · 05-29-2012, 03:06 AM

The windows in the Arithmancy classroom were cracked open slightly to allow some of the fresh Autumn air to infiltrate the room, even if it did have the effect of making it slightly chilly. Josephina was sitting perched in the chair behind the larger desk, seemingly lost in thought. However, when you enter, she will look up and give you a brief nod before resuming her transfixed expression.

On the board behind her, there's a few notes scrawled:

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Welcome to Arithmancy 2077-2078!

Take your seats! Take out your textbooks, parchment and quill, and we will begin shortly!

ooc: ~~the lesson will begin in approximately 9-10 hours from now. Keep chatting to a minimum. Freshen up on the Arithmancy Rules if you need to and see you all in a couple of hours! =)~~ Lesson has begun. Pay attention to MY last posts in here, and pretend as if you've been here the whole time. Thanks <3.

Lesson Progression
* First Question: What are the two types of Numerological Systems?
-> Answers & Next Question: What does the Chaldean Number System use if Pythagorean System uses numbers 1-9?
-> Answers & *first activity*: you have about 10 or so hours; compare and contrast the two systems using a Venn Diagram ~~or just a list format~~. 3-5 for each "category" is a 'good amount', but if you do more, go for it ;D
-> What might make the Chaldean Method more accurate?
-> Answers, Chaldean Number System CHART.... How do you find your Character/Expression Number?
-> Example of Character Name calculation with Chaldean System
-> *Activity*: Calculate your Expression/Character Name Numbers using the Chaldean Method
-> Responses to calculations & which particular number is unchanging no matter the system used?
-> Answers & Final Wrap Up: Class Dismissed

Jessiqua · 05-30-2012, 12:30 AM

Zhenya really wasn't one for drawing. She knew that one of them used the numbers 1-8 and one used the letters 1-9. But what else did she know? She had forgotten a lot that she had learned the previous year because numbers and her were not good together. She forgot too easily.

She made some headings in her book, rather than use her circles, and began to write down things that were different, and things that were the same.

SPOILER!!: Parchment

Lissy Longbottom · 05-30-2012, 12:42 AM

Wait, there was another form of number reading whateveryoucallit that only went to 8? What was UP with this subject?? Just when he thought he understood it a LITTLE bit--BAM! They threw a complete curveball at him. Sigh.

This venn diagram thing should help him figure it out, though. He picked up his parchment and dipped his quill in his ink and started to scribble away at his diagram. After a few minutes and some color changes with his ink well, he was done.

DH Vixen · 05-30-2012, 12:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry174

Laura looked at Lana and signed she was never going to get this but she would try. "I wish I was as good as you." Laura whispered as she started to write on the parchment.

SPOILER!!: rubbish work

Laura give her sister a nudge, to see what she thought, hopefully the Professor wouldn't see that she had been doodling at the bottom of the parchment.

Lana watched over quietly as her sister worked. She really knew that Laura was capable of getting this, but sometimes it took a lot more. She would just have to keep helping her as much as she could. Hearing what her sister mumbled, she frowned a bit. It wasn't a competition for them and she wish that Laura didn't always have to make it feel like one.

Feeling the nudge, she looked at what Laura had done and smiled. "That looks really good." It was definitely a start and at least Laura was trying now.

AlwaysSnapesGirl · 05-30-2012, 01:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixRising

Josephina surveyed the room as some of the students jumped into working right away, but two students seemed to have this blank stare about them. Had she moved too quick? Expected too much from them? Granted they had their textbooks right there, but .... sometimes, it wasn't enough.

"Easiest way to start is by looking at what you KNOW about those two number systems. Reference your textbooks, if you must," Fina explained. She would define them, but that might ruin the task for them. Besides, technically speaking, definitions for each could be apart of the contrasting. Tis should help. Besides, for the younger students ~~and for Ellie over there *coughs* ;D~~, it's not like she really expected them to know all there was to know about the two systems. A few basic principles.

ooc: I'll respond to more of you tonight... but looking good! ;D <3 [s]and may or may not continue until tomorrow. we shall see. ;D

Penelope would've been okay with just sitting there blankly and she might've actually planned on it. She was pretty good at hiding and not being noticed. But then she heard the professor speaking again, so she turned her attention to her. Looking at what they know about the numbers?

"But I DON'T know anything," Penelope replied, frowning. That was her problem. Oh...they could use their textbooks for this? She still frowned and turned her eyes to the textbook on her desk. Well...class time was the best time to start reading these things, she figured.

Flipping it open, she stared at the table of contents as she tried to remember what it was they were looking up - and how exactly to spell it. One started with a P...Pythago...Pythagorean? That was the only one listed that seemed to fit. So she started flipping to that page.

FireboltAvis88 · 05-30-2012, 01:31 AM

Alyssa first drew the circles like the way Professor Hadley had showed them. Then she referred to her textbook as she tried to find the similarities and contrasts between both the Pythagorean and Chaldean Methods of Numerology. She wrote in what she found out in the three segments.

She hoped that Minnie, Ella and Oakey had better luck than her because she was finding it hard going. But eventually she came up with some data. She just hoped that she was right. She quickly leaned over and showed what she had come up with.

"Hey Minnie, Ella, Oakey? What did you guys come up with? This is what I have so far." Alyssa told her fellow House mates showing her " diagram to them.

sweetpinkpixie · 05-30-2012, 01:35 AM

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSnapesGirl

Penelope would've been okay with just sitting there blankly and she might've actually planned on it. She was pretty good at hiding and not being noticed. But then she heard the professor speaking again, so she turned her attention to her. Looking at what they know about the numbers?

"But I DON'T know anything," Penelope replied, frowning. That was her problem. Oh...they could use their textbooks for this? She still frowned and turned her eyes to the textbook on her desk. Well...class time was the best time to start reading these things, she figured.

Flipping it open, she stared at the table of contents as she tried to remember what it was they were looking up - and how exactly to spell it. One started with a P...Pythago...Pythagorean? That was the only one listed that seemed to fit. So she started flipping to that page.

Kurumi squinted at her chart and turned it on its side several times. It just didn't seem...complete...but she had been looking at it far too long to be able to see anything but what she had on it.

Which was when she heard Penelope's voice, causing the Gryffindor to turn around to her housemate. "Psst, Penelope, it's alright not to know everything," she said in a soft voice. Merlin knew that Kurumi knew next to nothing when she first had arrived at Hogwarts. "Maybe...you can help me with mine?" she asked, showing the first year her chart. "See if there is anything I am missing or you think should be added?" Nothing was too small a detail after all, and a fresh set of eyes and brain was always a fantastic way to get a new outlook on a subject.

AlwaysSnapesGirl · 05-30-2012, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by sweetpinkpixie

Kurumi squinted at her chart and turned it on its side several times. It just didn't seem...complete...but she had been looking at it far too long to be able to see anything but what she had on it.

Which was when she heard Penelope's voice, causing the Gryffindor to turn around to her housemate. "Psst, Penelope, it's alright not to know everything," she said in a soft voice. Merlin knew that Kurumi knew next to nothing when she first had arrived at Hogwarts. "Maybe...you can help me with mine?" she asked, showing the first year her chart. "See if there is anything I am missing or you think should be added?" Nothing was too small a detail after all, and a fresh set of eyes and brain was always a fantastic way to get a new outlook on a subject.

Comparing the p-word to the one that she couldn't remember the name of was going to be an awfully difficult thing to do, and Penelope was tempted to just close the textbook and go back to her blank staring. But then she heard her name spoken by a very familiar voice, and she turned her attention to Kurumi.

It was alright not to know everything? "Is not knowing anything alright too?" Because that was her problem. She didn't want to know EVERYTHING. She'd just like to know SOMETHING, anything that would make her fit in a little better with these other students who always seemed to have an answer.

Kurumi wanted HER to help with her chart? That was awfully generous considering Kurumi probably DID know everything, at least in comparison to Penelope. But really, the first year wasn't a quitter and didn't want to decline Kurumi's help, so she leaned forward a bit to peer at the older girl's chart.

Staring at it at first, Penelope didn't see much she could add. She didn't know any of the stuff that was already on there, so she definitely didn't know of anything else about those two things to add anything. But then...she spotted something.

"Well, the Pythagorean thing," she sounded out the p-word carefully, "starts with a 'P' and the Chaldean thing," that one she had to sound out carefully as well, starts with a 'C', so that makes them different." So that went into the separate parts of the circles, yeah?

TakemetotheBurrow · 05-30-2012, 02:12 AM

SPOILER!!: Alyssa

Ella turned her attention to Alyssa as she heard her friend's voice. She looked down at her diagram and shrugged. "I have a few things on mine but it's hard decide what the most important parts are." She said with a frown. Eyeing Alyssa's work, Ella smiled. "Alyssa, yours is great. You have a lot of information on there. I'm sure Hadley will be pleased!" The second year said sincerely. After seeing that, her own work didn't seem nearly as impressive.

Bazinga · 05-30-2012, 03:05 AM

Minerva was trying to figure out all the information from what everyone was saying and what was in the book. Why was this class so hard for her she thought. Then Alyssa showed them her work. "Alyssa that is great. Mine is not going to be as good, I just kind of did it as a chart more then a diagram." She then listened to Ella, they both seemed to know what they were doing a little better then Minerva did, if only this was transfiguration she would be so much better off. She looked back at what she had done and hoped it was correct.

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First one: Pythagorean
- has numbers 1-9'
-most common used
- Easier to learn
- can find personalised numbers for motivation and impressions of individual people
- Focuses on birth, name, and personal numbers
- does soul, personality, power name, birth day, life path, and attitude numbers

Second one: Chaldean
- numbers 1-8
- is the Oldest system
- is more accurate
- no systematic order
- finds hidden forces
- name you are known by
- 52 numbers

What is the same for both:
-looks at Birth date and name
-number results usually have the same meaning

*PhoenixRising* · 05-30-2012, 04:12 AM

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Originally Posted by nogoodforyou

They had to... what?

Staring at the venn diagram... ahh, Nora recognized it. And... it sort of made sense. There was part one, part two, and the part that's both one and two. So, taking a piece of parchment, Nora started drawing a similar venn diagram, scribbling the numbers from one to eight in the common part of the two circles, and the number nine in just one of them. "Professor?" She raised her hand as she asked hesitantly. "Something like this? The blue circle can be the Chaldean, and the purple one the Pythagorean Number System?"

SPOILER!!: my *ahem* Nora's awesome drawing XD

Josephina had to smile at the Slytherin's creativity with her diagram. Shared numbers in the middle portion, 9 in the one side. "Something like that, yea," Fina nodded. Not quite what she expected, but was different. It got the point across. She'd take it.

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Originally Posted by Princesspower

Sarah decided to work it out her way. She drew a table with the differences between the two systems.
"Can we include miscellaneous information? I did mine in a different way, is that okay?" Sarah asked worriedly.

SPOILER!!: my comparison table

Ooc: excuse the mess. I made it in tabular form. Then when I pasted it here, it converted it to tabs. I added dashes to make it clearer.

Reading the table another girl made, she nodded. "You didn't really add anything shared between the two, but good start."

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Originally Posted by Macavity

Taking notes on the two systems as he listened to what was being discussed, Gideon remained quiet simply paying attention. Pythagorean he was familiar with and Chaldeon was new...hopefully it wouldn't be too complicated else he knew he was bound to get them confused. The prefect watched Professor Hadley draw the diagram on the board with a flick of her wand, doing his best to contemplate what she was in fact asking of them.

Right...comparing and contrasting them both.

Gideon took out a clean sheet of parchment and began drawing his own Venn diagram on it so he could list what he knew and what the textbook said. Once the circles were drawn, the harder task was at hand and it took several minutes to both find and write down the descriptions under the appropriate titles. When he was satisfied with his work, the Gryffindor set down his quill and awaited the class moving on.

SPOILER!!: diagram

Looking over the Gryffindor's prefect's work, she nodded at the brief blurbs he wrote down under each. Good job.

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Originally Posted by Steelsheen

The Ravenclaw shook his head and looked back out the window, just to make sure it wasnt raining. "Alright Professor." he nodded his head then took his seat, promptly ommiting that he feels sleepy when its TOO cold. But its not that kind of cold COLD, so the Numbers Guru wouldnt have anything to worry about. At least not yet heh.

As the discussion started Vickers brought out his parchment and text and started to take down notes. When it was time for the activity he took out a fresh parchment and drew two overlapping circles, color coding them and scribbling down what he's read are the main difference between the two number system

SPOILER!!: Vickers' work

And then looked over to Vicker's work.... very creative in his layout, she had to admit. And good information there too.

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Originally Posted by Harry174

Laura looked at everyone drawing, and decided she would ask the Professor something. "Do you have to do the drawing or can you just watch?" Laura wasn't very good with drawing and so she was going to watch the others do their drawing.

Eh? Josephina raised a brow at the second year Puff. Sit and watch? What did she think this was some kind of show or something? "You have to do the activity, yes, but you could do it in a list format too, if you'd prefer..." But most liked the diagrams. It made things easier to visualize.

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Originally Posted by RachieRu

Oooh. They got to draw. This was awesome. Indy liked drawing. And venn diagrams. They were pretty. Indy smiled, as she drew her two circles. She was going to try and make this as pretty and neat as possible. Okay. Her circles were good. She decided to start on the pythagoran side. There we go. She looked at her text book as she wrote a couple of things down. She was careful not to go too over the lines, because she wanted it to be nice and neat. After she had wrote a few notes into that circle, she went onto the other half, and wrote some on there. She wanted to write as much as she can, but she wanted them to be kind of even. Perfect. It looked pretty good so far. She was impressed with it.

SPOILER!!: Indys venn diagram

She placed her quill down onto the table, and quickly over looked her work. She was proud of it so far. It was nice and neat. She thought maybe it could do with some more, so she leant over and read some more in her text book, to see if she could add anymore notes to it.

Josephina approached Indiana's desk next and smiled at her neat drawing. Concise. Not a whole lot written, but what was written was good. And correct. She nodded at the young claw, before moving on to the next...

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Originally Posted by 2111jen

After reading her text book, Jen wrote down her chart

CHALDEAN-
Numbers 1-8,
Attention to names in daily social situations,
stop evolving in the days of Babylon.

Both- Number system we use in this class,
valid methods,
consider your name, month, day, and year you were born,
peoples names affects their character and birth date affects their destiny. Numbers carry the same meaning, quality, character, and nature

PYTHAGOREAN
Numbers 1-9,
pays attention to full name at birth,
continues to evolve.

Table format. But that was OKAY. She smiled and plauded the young snake's efforts, considering how confused she had seemed moments before.

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Originally Posted by DH Vixen

Lana frowned a bit and pulled out a piece of parchment. She wasn't completely sure about this Chaldean system. She was just getting used to understanding the Pythagorean method. She just hoped that she understood the Pythagorean method enough to compare and contrast the two. Pulling out her notes from the previous term and the notes from so far, she started to look them over.

Jotting down what she could find from her notes, she pulled out her textbooks and started to look through it. Finding little bites of information from the books, she wrote it down on her notes. Getting what she thought she could from the books, she pulled out a fresh sheet of parchment for her chart. Glancing around, she looked to see if anyone was in need for a partner still or not.

Shrugging when she saw everyone with partners already, she turned back to making her own chart. Starting with the circles, she moved on to the labelling. Taking a peek at her notes, she felt maybe this was going to turn out pretty decent. Filling in all the information that she had gathered in their rightful places, she sat back looking at her parchment and smiled. It looked pretty decent in her opinion.

Looking over another chart - this one another Ravenclaw's, she blinked at first in surprise. It was so ..... much!! Someone was clearly living up to their house reputation. But it was good too. Very good information there.

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Sierra read and reread chapters two and thirty-five of her textbook. Finally, she'd managed to get enough information to cover all three sections of her diagram. That'd been her goal--to at least fill up all the sections. So dipping her quill in ink once again, she filled in the information she'd recently read.

The only part she wasn't sure of was the last thing she'd written under the "BOTH" section. It just didn't seem right to her, but she guessed Hadley would tell her if she'd done something wrong. She'd fix it then.

Sierra's Final Copy of the Venn Diagram

Seeing Sierra working dutifully on her diagram, Fina hadn't stopped to look until she was certain the fifth year was finished. After all, why interrupt her thought process since it didn't appear as if the girl was having issues. But once it seemed as if the girl was finished, Fina strode by to have a look.

And nodded briefly. "Nice job," she commented.

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Ella had been dutifully taking notes as the Professor and other students talked and shared answers. She had remembered quite a bit of this information from last term and was happy she had paid attention in her first year. It was making all this seem much less confusing to the second year now.

So they were to make their own Venn diagrams, huh? Ella had done that before. Her dad liked to weigh his options before doing anything and often compared things using this method. It seemed silly in everyday life but for class, it was pretty appropriate and very useful visually. Grabbing her parchment and a quill, the second year got to work, occasionally flipping through her text to help add things to her diagram when needed.

SPOILER!!: Ella's Diagram

And then she looked toward one of her Hufflepuff's work... Ella. The diagram was bare, but the information there was true and accurate, even if it wasn't as detailed as others. But Ella was young still, so for her, it was good. "Good job," she said, as she moved on to look over at Anya and Messer's diagram.

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Anya grinned looking over their assignment. "Oh. I've just got one more to add." she said scribbling down a bit that she figured was important. She then smiled looking over their parchment once more.

"There." she said sliding it back over to Messer to examine.

She then smiled over to Messer. "We make a great team." she said. She absentmindedly played with her quill. She'd have to partner up with Messer more often.

Looking at the team's parchment, she had to admit it was quite impressive. Granted they had two brains working together, but .... they ... did well. "Nice job, you two," she said to the young Gryffindor and Hufflepuff.

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Laura looked at Lana and signed she was never going to get this but she would try. "I wish I was as good as you." Laura whispered as she started to write on the parchment.

SPOILER!!: rubbish work

Laura give her sister a nudge, to see what she thought, hopefully the Professor wouldn't see that she had been doodling at the bottom of the parchment.

Josephina looked back over to where Laura was working as she had gotten her sister to help her some. "That's actually a pretty good start," Fina said approvingly. Perhaps she should have Laura work with Lana more often, since her sister seemed to know just how to help her.

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Originally Posted by sweetpinkpixie

Kurumi cocked her head to the side when Professor Hadley answered and didn't answer her question. Was there something on her mind? ~~Like missing a certain Astronomy professor?~~ However, Kurumi couldn't think much on this as class began. The sixth year decided to sit out the initial question and answer segment seeing as it was mostly review and the younger students would benefit from it more, and instead wrote down a few refresher notes while she glanced at the still empty seat next to her every now and again. Arithmancy just wasn't the same without Treyen. It was....weird.

Kurumi picked her head up when they were given an assignment to do and Kurumi instantly cracked open the binding on her textbook to brainstorm some ideas before transcribing them onto her final diagram. Once she had a few ideas written down, Kurumi began to draw on an extra piece of parchment. Color coding, Kurumi LIVED for it. After a few minutes, Kurumi set her quill down and eyed her diagram.

SPOILER!!: click click

Seeing Kurumi working on her diagram, Josephina sneaked over to have a quick peek at the sixth year's work. She smiled approvingly at it. It might not have been finished by the girl's standards, but it was complete enough.

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Zhenya really wasn't one for drawing. She knew that one of them used the numbers 1-8 and one used the letters 1-9. But what else did she know? She had forgotten a lot that she had learned the previous year because numbers and her were not good together. She forgot too easily.

She made some headings in her book, rather than use her circles, and began to write down things that were different, and things that were the same.

SPOILER!!: Parchment

Josephina looked to another Snake's parchment next, who also simple listed about each ... she smiled at her work. It was quite accurate and true.

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Wait, there was another form of number reading whateveryoucallit that only went to 8? What was UP with this subject?? Just when he thought he understood it a LITTLE bit--BAM! They threw a complete curveball at him. Sigh.

This venn diagram thing should help him figure it out, though. He picked up his parchment and dipped his quill in his ink and started to scribble away at his diagram. After a few minutes and some color changes with his ink well, he was done.

Approaching Alex's desk next, Fina looked over his diagram and smiled at his notation about the Chaldean method being harder to use. That was definitely true and reason why they generally preferred teaching only the Pythagorean method in schools. But Arithmancy wasn't meant to be an easy subject like Muggle Studies, which is why she was teaching the Chaldean Method.

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Originally Posted by AlwaysSnapesGirl

Penelope would've been okay with just sitting there blankly and she might've actually planned on it. She was pretty good at hiding and not being noticed. But then she heard the professor speaking again, so she turned her attention to her. Looking at what they know about the numbers?

"But I DON'T know anything," Penelope replied, frowning. That was her problem. Oh...they could use their textbooks for this? She still frowned and turned her eyes to the textbook on her desk. Well...class time was the best time to start reading these things, she figured.

Flipping it open, she stared at the table of contents as she tried to remember what it was they were looking up - and how exactly to spell it. One started with a P...Pythago...Pythagorean? That was the only one listed that seemed to fit. So she started flipping to that page.

Josephina had to admit that Penelope might have been slightly dramatic with her proclamation of 'not knowing anything'. Really. She knew her name didn't she? She knew what class she was sitting in on right now? So obviously she knew something.

Before she could reply back to the first year though, her Prefect decided to intervene and offer help. Giving Kurumi an appreciative look, she went off to have a look at Alyssa's parchment.

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Originally Posted by FireboltAvis88

Alyssa first drew the circles like the way Professor Hadley had showed them. Then she referred to her textbook as she tried to find the similarities and contrasts between both the Pythagorean and Chaldean Methods of Numerology. She wrote in what she found out in the three segments.

She hoped that Minnie, Ella and Oakey had better luck than her because she was finding it hard going. But eventually she came up with some data. She just hoped that she was right. She quickly leaned over and showed what she had come up with.

"Hey Minnie, Ella, Oakey? What did you guys come up with? This is what I have so far." Alyssa told her fellow House mates showing her " diagram to them.

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Originally Posted by Bazinga

Minerva was trying to figure out all the information from what everyone was saying and what was in the book. Why was this class so hard for her she thought. Then Alyssa showed them her work. "Alyssa that is great. Mine is not going to be as good, I just kind of did it as a chart more then a diagram." She then listened to Ella, they both seemed to know what they were doing a little better then Minerva did, if only this was transfiguration she would be so much better off. She looked back at what she had done and hoped it was correct.

She had a quick look and nodded approvingly at the detail that Alyssa had gone into. "Nice job," she noted, as she had a look over at Minerva's parchment next.... similar information there. But then again, there really was only so much information one could put.

Right then. Time to carry on with further discussions of the two systems. "So the Pythagorean Number system is more commonly used, but the strange thing I've always found was that while the Chaldean System has no sequential order in assigning values to letters, supposedly this system is actually more accurate." Which is probably why it hadn't needed to evolve over time, because why evolve something that already worked? "Why might the Chaldean Method be more accurate, do you think? Is in, what about the way the numbers are assigned to the letters do you think may make it more accurate?"

DH Vixen · 05-30-2012, 04:28 AM

Lana kept an eye on Laura as she thought able what she had just read in her textbook about the Chaldean Method and raised her hand slowly. "Could it be because the Chaldean Method uses the name you a known by and not just your birth name. It seems a lot more personal in that way." In her mind the reading for say a Kat would be different than that for a Katherine. It was a possible thought. Raising her hand again, she tilted her head slightly. "Isn't it based on the Hebrew alphabet, which some believe gave rise to the use of alphabetic writing in Greek and then the Latin alphabet?"

Bazinga · 05-30-2012, 04:32 AM

Minerva put her hand up "Professor could it be because it's the older system so it has been used more, so it would be more accurate, plus it has an even amount of numbers so it could be easier to do the calculations." She wasn't completely sure, but figured she give a guess at least.

Jessiqua · 05-30-2012, 04:38 AM

Zhenya put her hand straight into the air, "Professor I think it's more accurate because it uses a system to assign numbers to letters, it's not just an A-Z system like the Pythagorean. The way they sort each letter individually to numbers based on the vibrational value," she said. Although she didn't completely understand what the vibrational value was, but had a thought that it was the way the numbers or letters were interpreted.

sweetpinkpixie · 05-30-2012, 04:48 AM

Nodding for a moment ~~and trying not to giggle at Penelope's suggestion~~ Kurumi added it to the diagram. "That certainly is a difference," the sixth year nodded. Nothing wrong with that either. Backing up for a moment, Kurumi found herself nodding again to what the first year had said earlier about not knowing anything. "That IS why we are at school, to learn. But you should give yourself more credit, Penelope. You know more than you think." After all, no matter how you looked at Arithmancy one plus one still equaled two, and surely the first year knew that.

When Professor Hadley moved the lesson along, Kurumi set her diagram on the table in front of her, and beside her textbook, and thought for a moment about the question. She agreed a little with the Ravenclaw girl that had spoken, about it seeming to be a bit more personal and all that, but there was something a bit more factual on the Gryffindor's mind as she raised her hand. "Does it have something to do with the fact that the Chaldean method pays special attention and emphasis to the meanings of the letters or symbols which make up our alphabet? In ancient times, before there was a written alphabet like we know, people communicated in hieroglyphics where each letter stood for a particular object, action or emotion and are what the alphabet we have come to know today was based on. In a sense...the Chaldean method draws more on ancient energies and understandings of how humanity, each individual, understood words." Slowly, Kurumi lowered her hand and sort of cocked her head to the side. She wasn't entirely sure that had just made any sense. There was an answer in there somewhere...right?

Steelsheen · 05-30-2012, 04:55 AM

SPOILER!!: zeProf

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Originally Posted by PhoenixRising

Josephina had to smile at the Slytherin's creativity with her diagram. Shared numbers in the middle portion, 9 in the one side. "Something like that, yea," Fina nodded. Not quite what she expected, but was different. It got the point across. She'd take it.

Reading the table another girl made, she nodded. "You didn't really add anything shared between the two, but good start."

Looking over the Gryffindor's prefect's work, she nodded at the brief blurbs he wrote down under each. Good job.

And then looked over to Vicker's work.... very creative in his layout, she had to admit. And good information there too.

Eh? Josephina raised a brow at the second year Puff. Sit and watch? What did she think this was some kind of show or something? "You have to do the activity, yes, but you could do it in a list format too, if you'd prefer..." But most liked the diagrams. It made things easier to visualize.

Josephina approached Indiana's desk next and smiled at her neat drawing. Concise. Not a whole lot written, but what was written was good. And correct. She nodded at the young claw, before moving on to the next...

Table format. But that was OKAY. She smiled and plauded the young snake's efforts, considering how confused she had seemed moments before.

Looking over another chart - this one another Ravenclaw's, she blinked at first in surprise. It was so ..... much!! Someone was clearly living up to their house reputation. But it was good too. Very good information there.

Seeing Sierra working dutifully on her diagram, Fina hadn't stopped to look until she was certain the fifth year was finished. After all, why interrupt her thought process since it didn't appear as if the girl was having issues. But once it seemed as if the girl was finished, Fina strode by to have a look.

And nodded briefly. "Nice job," she commented.

And then she looked toward one of her Hufflepuff's work... Ella. The diagram was bare, but the information there was true and accurate, even if it wasn't as detailed as others. But Ella was young still, so for her, it was good. "Good job," she said, as she moved on to look over at Anya and Messer's diagram.

Looking at the team's parchment, she had to admit it was quite impressive. Granted they had two brains working together, but .... they ... did well. "Nice job, you two," she said to the young Gryffindor and Hufflepuff.

Josephina looked back over to where Laura was working as she had gotten her sister to help her some. "That's actually a pretty good start," Fina said approvingly. Perhaps she should have Laura work with Lana more often, since her sister seemed to know just how to help her.

Seeing Kurumi working on her diagram, Josephina sneaked over to have a quick peek at the sixth year's work. She smiled approvingly at it. It might not have been finished by the girl's standards, but it was complete enough.

Josephina looked to another Snake's parchment next, who also simple listed about each ... she smiled at her work. It was quite accurate and true.

Approaching Alex's desk next, Fina looked over his diagram and smiled at his notation about the Chaldean method being harder to use. That was definitely true and reason why they generally preferred teaching only the Pythagorean method in schools. But Arithmancy wasn't meant to be an easy subject like Muggle Studies, which is why she was teaching the Chaldean Method.

Josephina had to admit that Penelope might have been slightly dramatic with her proclamation of 'not knowing anything'. Really. She knew her name didn't she? She knew what class she was sitting in on right now? So obviously she knew something.

Before she could reply back to the first year though, her Prefect decided to intervene and offer help. Giving Kurumi an appreciative look, she went off to have a look at Alyssa's parchment.

She had a quick look and nodded approvingly at the detail that Alyssa had gone into. "Nice job," she noted, as she had a look over at Minerva's parchment next.... similar information there. But then again, there really was only so much information one could put.

Right then. Time to carry on with further discussions of the two systems. "So the Pythagorean Number system is more commonly used, but the strange thing I've always found was that while the Chaldean System has no sequential order in assigning values to letters, supposedly this system is actually more accurate." Which is probably why it hadn't needed to evolve over time, because why evolve something that already worked? "Why might the Chaldean Method be more accurate, do you think? Is in, what about the way the numbers are assigned to the letters do you think may make it more accurate?"

That was actually his question. Why was Chaldean more accurate over the more commonly practiced Pythagorean? He leafed though his text, going over what he had read earlier as he was making his diagram. Then a tentative hand goes up "Professor, is it because Chaldean can be called the original numerology from which Pyhtagorean was based from, and that the number and letter assigning was based on sound and symbol connections? Meaning one simply doesnt assign letters across the row, but actually matches each letter's essence to the corresponding number?"

FearlessLeader19 · 05-30-2012, 04:57 AM

Jory raised his hand. "It could be because it uses the most popular name you go by rather than your birth name?'' he said not very sure of the answer he was giving.

RoseMalfoy · 05-30-2012, 05:17 AM

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Zhenya entered the arithmancy class room and said a happy "Hello Professor," before taking a seat next to Desiree.

"Hey," she said, sitting down. She took her paper out and a quill with a bottle of ink and set it next to her, then shoved her bag under the desk.

Desiree looked over as her friend joined her, and gave her a smile, "Hey!". She took Arithmancy last year right? Maybe she could help her if she needed it.

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Right then. Time to carry on with further discussions of the two systems. "So the Pythagorean Number system is more commonly used, but the strange thing I've always found was that while the Chaldean System has no sequential order in assigning values to letters, supposedly this system is actually more accurate." Which is probably why it hadn't needed to evolve over time, because why evolve something that already worked? "Why might the Chaldean Method be more accurate, do you think? Is in, what about the way the numbers are assigned to the letters do you think may make it more accurate?"

They moved on from the diagrams, but continued talking about the two systems. Desiree had already known a little about the Pythagorean Number system, but the Chaldean one was new. So she had to think about the question for a while and what she had read..

As she listened to Zhenya's answer she felt less confident about her own. But she raised her hand, "Professor, could the Chaldean System be more accurate because it uses compound numbers in addition to single numbers? The single number just represents the physical appearance of a person's name, while the compound number shows the deeper meaning, and significance behind the name."

2111jen · 05-30-2012, 05:21 AM

Jen didn't understand any of this....she just listened intently as the professor spoke. Maybe shell learn something else new.

SilverDragon · 05-30-2012, 05:25 AM

Silvia pulled out her textbook. They hadn't really discussed the Chaldean method last year, so she didn't know very much about it. After finding the page she needed, she shifted the book to the side and began to draw the diagram and fill it in. Every now and then she referred back to the textbook until she felt she had covered the main points.

SPOILER!!: diagram

She looked up when the professor asked the next question.

SPOILER!!: professor

Silvia raised her hand and answered, "I think it has to do with what numbers the letters are assigned to. The Chaldean method assigns them based on the vibrations of each letter, whatever those are, rather than just ordering them by the alphabet so it is easier to remember."

FireboltAvis88 · 05-30-2012, 05:50 AM

Alyssa listened as the other students gave their answers as to why the Chaldean system would be more accurate. When no one else raised their hands, Alyssa raised her and answered.

"Professor could it be more accurate because it considers everything important. From the double digits when the numbers are first added, to the meaning of each letter and number and what they all represent individually?" Alyssa paused to think before continuing on.

"In the Chaldean system, the way the letters are assigned to the numbers is all based on spiritual inspiration. It depends on the sound and symbol it represents."

"I mean, the Chaldean method believes that when calculating your name both the double digits that one first ends up with, and the single digit that one eventually ends up with are both equally important. The single digit is believed to represent the physical outward appearance of a person's name."

Alyssa checked her textbook to make sure that she was on the right track, before she continued giving her answer. "The double digit which is also known as the Compound number represents the deeper, metaphysical, hidden influences or forces behind the name."

"I mean the Pythagorean method only considers what the single numbers, except for the master numbers, represent. It doesn't consider the letters of any importance, and not even the double numbers."

"So as one can see, more time is spent calculating one's life path or characteristics using the Chaldean Method than one does with the other method. Hence chances for a higher accuracy rate in the reading is better."

Vanillasweetheart · 05-30-2012, 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixRising

Right then. Time to carry on with further discussions of the two systems. "So the Pythagorean Number system is more commonly used, but the strange thing I've always found was that while the Chaldean System has no sequential order in assigning values to letters, supposedly this system is actually more accurate." Which is probably why it hadn't needed to evolve over time, because why evolve something that already worked? "Why might the Chaldean Method be more accurate, do you think? Is in, what about the way the numbers are assigned to the letters do you think may make it more accurate?"

Michelle frowned. This was a little harder to grasp than the stuff that they did earlier in class. Trying to remember the way the numbers are assigned to the letters, Chelle hesitantly raised her hand.

"Professor, maybe it is because of the compound number?" she said, trying to see if it made any sense. Then she added, "I mean to say, you use your common name instead of your given name. And through the Chaldean method, you tend to unveil a deeper, more spiritual meaning of the name."

Okay, I'm not making sense.

Dismayed, she grabbed her head in her cupped hands. This was more numerology than Maths.

Weasley174 · 05-30-2012, 10:03 AM

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Lana kept an eye on Laura as she thought able what she had just read in her textbook about the Chaldean Method and raised her hand slowly. "Could it be because the Chaldean Method uses the name you a known by and not just your birth name. It seems a lot more personal in that way." In her mind the reading for say a Kat would be different than that for a Katherine. It was a possible thought. Raising her hand again, she tilted her head slightly. "Isn't it based on the Hebrew alphabet, which some believe gave rise to the use of alphabetic writing in Greek and then the Latin alphabet?"

Laura looked at her sister and read the book again, she was glad she had her sister around, it was like when they were at Primary school again, they had always sat next to each other and help each other, Laura give her sister a small sort nudge. "Thanks sis." Laura whispered, if it wasn't for the fact they were in class she would have hugged her.

SPOILER!!: Laura's work

Laura looked at her parchment as she slowly started to write more on the parchment. "How does that look Sis." Laura whispered.

nogoodforyou · 05-30-2012, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by PhoenixRising

Right then. Time to carry on with further discussions of the two systems. "So the Pythagorean Number system is more commonly used, but the strange thing I've always found was that while the Chaldean System has no sequential order in assigning values to letters, supposedly this system is actually more accurate." Which is probably why it hadn't needed to evolve over time, because why evolve something that already worked? "Why might the Chaldean Method be more accurate, do you think? Is in, what about the way the numbers are assigned to the letters do you think may make it more accurate?"

As professor Hadley stopped to take a look at her diagram, she couldn't help but grin. That, until she spotted some other ones; not that she had any intention of getting inspired from different sources. But the others... pfff, they wrote lots of things, and all Nora did was scribble the numbers. Oh, well. She still considered herself the more creative one. Hehe.

But then, the professor started talking... and the girl found it difficult to actually follow. So, the Pythagorean System was the one commonly used, and the Chaldean was more accurate, even though it had no sequential order in assigning values to letters? Hmmm. Raising her hand, she thought she'd better try something, rather than stay quiet. "Maybe if we assign each letter to numbers the way we want it, we can create something like... a secret code?" A secret code? Seriously? These weren't runes, to pass on super secret messages!

Ugh.

DH Vixen · 05-30-2012, 03:20 PM

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Laura looked at her sister and read the book again, she was glad she had her sister around, it was like when they were at Primary school again, they had always sat next to each other and help each other, Laura give her sister a small sort nudge. "Thanks sis." Laura whispered, if it wasn't for the fact they were in class she would have hugged her.

SPOILER!!: Laura's work

Laura looked at her parchment as she slowly started to write more on the parchment. "How does that look Sis." Laura whispered.

Lana continued to write down notes as she listened to what her fellow classmates were replied. She wasn't sure about what she had said, but hoped it was right none the less. Feeling a nudge, she looked over to Laura and smiled. Leaning over, she whispered. "Looking very good," she smiled softly. It really was coming along well and it made her happy that Laura was applying herself. She would have to make sure that the two of them studied more together from now on.

Poolicious · 05-30-2012, 03:47 PM

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Anya grinned looking over their assignment. "Oh. I've just got one more to add." she said scribbling down a bit that she figured was important. She then smiled looking over their parchment once more.

"There." she said sliding it back over to Messer to examine.

She then smiled over to Messer. "We make a great team." she said. She absentmindedly played with her quill. She'd have to partner up with Messer more often.

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Looking at the team's parchment, she had to admit it was quite impressive. Granted they had two brains working together, but .... they ... did well. "Nice job, you two," she said to the young Gryffindor and Hufflepuff.

Right then. Time to carry on with further discussions of the two systems. "So the Pythagorean Number system is more commonly used, but the strange thing I've always found was that while the Chaldean System has no sequential order in assigning values to letters, supposedly this system is actually more accurate." Which is probably why it hadn't needed to evolve over time, because why evolve something that already worked? "Why might the Chaldean Method be more accurate, do you think? Is in, what about the way the numbers are assigned to the letters do you think may make it more accurate?"

She had one more? "Kay." The more the better, right? Messer looked over the parchment when she was done adding something to their diagram. But before he could say something to her, Professor Hadley approached their desk and said that they did a nice job. Yay! Go them! "Thanks, Professor."

"Yes, you're right. We make a great team." he smiled back.

Then, the professor started talking again about those two systems. Oh another question. Hands up. " Professor, Could it because the Chaldean Method is more...umm..spiritual?" Because it said that the ancient Chaldeans were known to have been immensely interested in astrology, spiritual guidance, oracles and other spiritual thingy.

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