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The charms classroom was clean and bright and ready for the first lesson of the year and Professor Schirmer was waiting at the front of the class for the students to arrive.
Was she in a good mood? Well she was ALMOST smiling, at least.
The desks are set up in the usual way, no funny business today.
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ooc: sorry for the time conversion confusion O_O I do not know how I got it so messed up, I'm totally usually an expert. I blame posting the notice before I was awake.
Don't worry if you can't join in from the beginning, this lesson will last through the weekend and this first post will be updated as the lesson progresses.
Questions so far: What should firsties know about charms? What do we know about incantations? How do we make a spell and its effects cease? Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today? What do you know about Gripping Charms and what do you think they'd be useful for? The gripping charm you will learn today has the incantation 'Prehenso'. Can anyone guess how the meaning of this incantation relates to its purpose? Can you think of any related English words?
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"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
Incantations.
Nora had something in mind in regards to a few of professor Schirmer's questions, so she raised her hand again. It would do no harm if she didn't get it right, riiiiight? "The words used for incantations are usually" or all the time? "in latin. As for the relationship between an incantation and a spell, I think that the actual spell needs the words - the incantation, and also a wand movement and intent."
Angelina raised her hand and said, "Professor, isn't Incantations part of all different languages, but really are from Latin somehow?" Angelina frowned a little and sighed metals in her head. She knew she wouldn't get anythiń right, she was so bad at this, but she continued, maybe something in what she was saying was right, "It's Incantations also kind of like some key you wanted to you, instead of saying what you really ment?" that probably made so sense, she thought!
Listening to the Professor’s next question..s, Nessie pouted her lips as she tried to come up with an answer. She wasn’t a very clever person, but she always still tried her best, even if it meant making a fool of herself. After a few moments of thinking
Nessie raised her hand and then waited her turn so she could answer the Professors questions. "Professor I don’t know if I’m right but, isn’t an incantation a charm that is performed by using words?." That’s what she remembered it to be. "I think that the words used for incantations are usually words with a meaning that connects to what the charm does, and words that will not be used are common words that people use and say often." Now she was even confusing herself, she was just rambling things she didn’t even know were true or not. She didn’t say anything else, there wasn't much more she knew.
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[SIZE="1"]"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.[/INDENT] ooc: Firsties and new students! You'll find 'page 47 of Quintessence a Quest' in this post.
You don't have to and aren't expected to answer ALL the incantation-y questions, just what you think your character would know/want to answer. Just share what you know .
A good think is what Zhenya had. It was hard though, she didn't take Charms last year so she didn't really know heaps about it. That was unfortunate though. She had a thought about what the questions could mean, and took a shot at answering.
"Professor," she said with her hand in the air, "Uhh an Incantation is the words of a spell. I think it's a lot of Latin language used for incantations. And I think this is because most of our English language takes words from Latin, as well as other languages, to make them into English. Perhaps Latin is seen as the basis or foundation for other languages, and therefore spells and incantations. But I'm sorry that's all I can answer for now," she said, and her mouth twitched slightly.
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‘An incantation is created using words’, the third year said simply. There wasn’t much to say about it, now, was there?, Gwen asked herself and looked back at the Professor. ‘And because even the term comes from Latin, words used by the caster are also mostly in Latin’,she went on talking. And the latin words that are used mainly say what the charm or spell does?, Gwendolyn thought, but because she wasn’t sure of the answer, she decided to just drop it.
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Laura put her hand up and answered,'An incantation is a word or group of words said to make a spell work.Whether it is verbal or non-verbal it has to be said, atleast in the mind of the person casting the spell..mostly they are in Latin,'.That was all she could think of
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Ooh. What an incantation was? Well Indiana knew what that was. During her first year she had tried to make as many notes, and read around all her new subjects, so that she wouldn't feel so lost in the lessons. It had really worked out, because she felt quite confident sat in the charms lesson right now. Indy hadn't brought her notes w ith her though, because she didn't want to look really nerdy. Not that that wouldn't show what she really was, but she didn't want people making fun of her. Indy mused for a moment, before she raised her hand. "An incantation is what we recite to get the spell to work." Seemed pretty obvious reason. They mostly derive from Latin, but there are a few that ar English."
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"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.[/INDENT]
Incantations? Hmmm..... This was usually one of those times when Nate would start talking with a good, valid point, and then ruin it with other, not-so-important things. Keep it simple, he reminded himself in an attempt to preemptively block out his naivety as he prepared to answer. "Incantations usually come from Latin stems, from what I've seen, and the incantation itself usually states what the charm itself does. That said, silly rhymes or simply saying the name of any type of spell won't get you the same effect as an incantation will. Actually, it won't give any effect at all," Nate concluded. That was sufficient, considering all the other answers that would be given.
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... what?
"Can you repeat that, I'm not sure what you're trying to say." Like her thoughts and her words had gotten jumbled up and something nonsensical had popped out.
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"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
ooc: Firsties and new students! You'll find 'page 47 of Quintessence a Quest' in this post.
You don't have to and aren't expected to answer ALL the incantation-y questions, just what you think your character would know/want to answer. Just share what you know .
Amethyst's face went totally white. Her brain was thinking a lot fast than her mind was moving. The Professor had asked her to repeat her statement. Hopefully she'd be redeemed, "What I was trying to say was that charms are enhancement spells placed on non-magical objects..." She was officially embarrassed.
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"An incantation is the spoken words the that tell what you are about to do." Amethyst said as she raise her hand. Hopefully she would speak English this time. "Sometimes the incantations are in Latin or Greek.." Hmm. What else did she remember? "Also, The wand movement and the incantation usually relate to each other."
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"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
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They're learning charms back from the very beginning. That's nice, since Jonathan should really browse more about charms and its spells. So now the question thrown is about incantation. What is an incantation? It's the most frequent asked question when it comes to learning spells and whatnot. One must know how important these incantations are.
Jonathan raised his hands to answer the question "Most incantations are latin in origin" that one was quite self-explanatory. "These incantations are carefully said when casting a charm." Well, try saying a charm spell that doesn't sound like it and let's see how it'll turn out. "But you still need to know the correct wand movement as well. But anyways, incantation is important to make a certain spell work"
"Professor I think an incantation is words that make the spell happen. Without the wand movements or the incantation the spell wouldn't work. Then again that's just what I think."
Aurora thought for a moment, then raised her hand. "Professor, an incantation is... the words you say for the spell." she said, "But I think it's more than that - some spells are non-verbal... so the incantation must be the way your thoughts channel the spell."
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Kurumi sort of sat back and let others answer first, wanting more to hear what others had to say instead of speak herself seeing as there really was so much that could be said on the matter - and not just because they had been given a series of questions. Seemed that everyone was offering up a basic definition of what an incantation was, so Kurumi really didn't feel the need to essentially repeat what others had already said, as was the question regarding what words were used...but there were a few details that Kurumi felt should be brought up.
"I think that words used in incantations are those whose meanings are already fixed, which is why Latin and Greek are widely used or the two languages combined with another language. It would be very dangerous if incantations were used in widely spoken languages and you cast a spell while you were just trying to have a conversation with someone and simply trying to describe something or someone. Latin and Greek are also root languages and their prefixes and suffixes help describe what the spell does. If we take the Hover Charm as an example, the 'wing' in Wingardium means 'to fly' and the 'ardium' comes from the word that means 'tall' or 'lofty.' The 'Leviosa' als comes from the Latin for 'lift up.' So...in general, incantations describe the desired result of the spell."
Kurumi lowered her hand now and sort of blinked as she thought that she had just confused herself. There was an answer to the professor's questions or question in there somewhere...right?
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Incantations, hmm. Louisa raised her hand once a proper answer was formed in her mind, "Incantation is one of the main requirements of casting a charm on an object." Spells, or hexes. "It usually, like everybody said, comes from Latin or Greek which are root languages and no longer considered spoken tongues." Pause. "I would have to agree with Kurumi, professor, that using only spoken language to cast a spell would be risky and unpredictable at times." Yes? Yes. "However, incantation becomes unnecessary when one's magic is tamed enough or when the witch or wizard is skilled enough to conjure the incantation in mind and cast the spell non-verbally." Which Louisa was going to work on very much the next year and the following one. After she'd learned casting her Patronus.
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"In order to make your spell work, the incantation of it must be said correctly,"she answered as she tried to recall more information she could remember."Most incantations are from Latin though some of them are from English. It could be said in the head of the person who cast that spell but it should also be a clear one,"she said, finishing her last line.
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Laura looked at the Professor and smiled. "I think an incantation is something you say that then makes a spell." Laura was still new to magic and so was still finding her feet.
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"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
Well, the Latin aspect has already been mentioned.. what else is left?
He raised both hands a bit tentatively. "Professor, I think that quite often the incantation of any spell somehow describes the action to be performed or the object at a deep level. For instance, with Levicorpus, 'levi-' obviously comes from levitate and '-corpus' is a root describing a body. Or take Aguamenti. 'Agua-' is clearly similar to aqua-, which was what the Romans used to refer to water." At least he thought so. Weren't those canal things called aquifers? "Anyways, they describe the essence of the object or the action..." he finished lamely.
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Violet looked at the teacher and raised her hand. "Incantations is a word or a phrase that can be said to be able to cast a spell, charm, hex, curse, etc, but in more advanced magic, an incantation does not necessarily need an incantation said which result in wordless magic."
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"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
ooc: Firsties and new students! You'll find 'page 47 of Quintessence a Quest' in this post.
You don't have to and aren't expected to answer ALL the incantation-y questions, just what you think your character would know/want to answer. Just share what you know .
Elise smiled. Her answer was right, and that was good. Always nice to know that hard work payed off. Now, incantations?
"An incantation would be like a command to the wand? Something that tells it that it's a spell? And incantations usually use Greek or Latin as roots, being old languages. The incantation would usually mean the effect that you want the spell to accomplish."
After a moment's thought, she continued. "But if you wanted to freeze your opponent, you wouldn't just hold your wand and say Freeze. It wouldn't work. You'd need proper incantations and wand movements."
Elise put her hand down, pretty sure that she hadn't made any sense.
Nodding along with the other students answers, Ivory raised her hand to pipe in with her own two cents. "Our form of magic, that is to say wizarding magic," As opposed to house elf or other types. "Uses incantations mostly derived from more base languages such as Latin. To which I agree," she admitted with a smile to her fellow students that had answered similarly. "That it is most likely due to the fact that such languages have more fixed, inflexible meanings for things. There are those spells however that use the Latin word for one action but in fact result in something only marginally related. Because of these instances," she continued on in a rush her thoughts already beginning to overlap. "I believe that incantations are, more than anything, used to focus our minds on the magic at hand so that a particular spell does not deviate from our purpose, rather than its purpose." But that was just her thoughts on the matter.
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"Its Professor Schirmer." She corrected gently and then listened. "That's actually good logic." Muggleborn? "As the year goes on you'll have to tell me if you think that does apply, in your experience." She smiled at the little girl and moved on.
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"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
''Professor Schirmer'' the dark haired girl repeated quickly. Schirmer? Huh? What did that mean? Perhaps it was a foreign name because it did not sound familiar to her at all. Anyway. Smiling widely, Lea nodded at the professor's words ''Will do that, Professor Schirmer.''
Well...if she thought it was good logic, which made Lea feel proud of herself, it meant she was in the right way to understand this magic thing. After listening to the others a bit, the Gryffindor girl took a large parchment from her bag and began to take notes of the parts that she thought important and could be used while she practiced. Yes, she was already planning to practice.
Then, as the professor said, she quickly opened that page 47 of said book and eyed the shown movements there. Eh...they did not look complicated but at least she saw that there was more to with the magical stick other than poking things with it.
And there was another question...well...lots of questions.
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''Are not incantations those fancy words that we utter to perform a spell, Professor Schirmer? I think they must have a special connection to the spell itself. Maybe it is not English but it could still mean the purpose of the magic spell? Maybe the ancient wizards and witches who created those fancy magical words to help themselves casting so they can be in any language? Depends on the ancient witch.''
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Zack smiled as the professor addressed him. He felt good that what he said was correct and not like in his regular life always ending up with something that had to mess thing up. He looked at the professor and said "Thank you, Professor" and smiled back.
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"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
ooc: Firsties and new students! You'll find 'page 47 of Quintessence a Quest' in this post.
You don't have to and aren't expected to answer ALL the incantation-y questions, just what you think your character would know/want to answer. Just share what you know .
Zack looked around at the others who gave out the answers pretty soon, as if they had it all by heart. Well that's weird, how come they all knew everything already, maybe they might be using some magic to learn all this he thought.
He though for the answer for how much he knew was not much. How much could a first year know after all? He didn't want to give his brain the pressure of thinking, but this seemed easy. He always saw his father using the word incantation for several occasions while talking to his mom.
Of course he knew about incantations, they are the strange words that are used to get things done automatically and other stuff, he like when something like that happened in his house. He always wanted to learn charms that his father used in his daily life is was fun. He liked magic.
Zack looked at the others giving out the answers, it showed they all knew about magic and stuff. He raised his hand and said what all he knew "Professor, the word incantation is derived from Latin "incantare" meaning "to chant a spell upon," from in- "upon" and cantare "to sing". Some or most of the incantations are deriving from the Latin language, but still there are few that are English." he said well, that was all he knew. After all he was here to learn more about charms and incantation.
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The third year raised a hand. 'An incantation , a charm, changes the properties of an object. It changes what it does.' Thea paused. 'Also, I think incantations are chosen depending on the situation in which a person finds themselves.' It was only after she had said this that she realised that that maybe wasn't what the professor meant..
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"professor Incartations have to be spoken properly and the wand mov ment done almost to perfection otherwise the charm will fail and usually nothing would happen"
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