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Old 01-05-2012, 03:46 AM
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The charms classroom was clean and bright and ready for the first lesson of the year and Professor Schirmer was waiting at the front of the class for the students to arrive.

Was she in a good mood? Well she was ALMOST smiling, at least.

The desks are set up in the usual way, no funny business today.

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ooc: sorry for the time conversion confusion O_O I do not know how I got it so messed up, I'm totally usually an expert. I blame posting the notice before I was awake.

As usual, please read the charms code of conduct before playing.

Don't worry if you can't join in from the beginning, this lesson will last through the weekend and this first post will be updated as the lesson progresses.

Revision for this lesson cam be found here



Questions so far:
What should firsties know about charms?
What do we know about incantations?
How do we make a spell and its effects cease?
Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?
What do you know about Gripping Charms and what do you think they'd be useful for?
The gripping charm you will learn today has the incantation 'Prehenso'. Can anyone guess how the meaning of this incantation relates to its purpose? Can you think of any related English words?

ooc instructions for practising activity can be found here and here

Class is OVER but come and play CAPTURE THE FLAG! This will be your homework and the game is worth 20 points each!
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Sigh.

Not that she minded taking points but Althea didn't like being the baddie so to speak. But still, there were some things she would NOT tolerate. Simple.

"The ways to end or negate spell effects include," And the words appeared on the blackboard as she spoke. "Use of a specific counterspell; use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects; use of a generic counterspell; in some cases, the death of the caster; in some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus; the use of potions to negate the effects in question ; preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it ; wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own; use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects."



"Of course not all of these methods are effective in all cases. Remember that charms, by nature tend to be longer-lasting. Think of magical, bewitched objects. The charms on these are not applied constantly, and the intent used to apply said charms does not need to be held in the original caster's mind in order for them to continue working." So the concept of lowering your wand really only worked while the charm was being cast in the first place. Mmmhmm.

"The difference between Finite and Finite Incantatem is important to note. We're going to be using Finite to counter the charm I'm going to teach you today. Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?" Just a quick easy question.


Kimalia looked around, hmm, not many were taking notes.. Naughty, naughty. Smirking, she took her quill and parchment and began writing what was displayed and a quick jot to the different between 'Finite' and 'Finite Incantatum'.

SPOILER!!: Kimalia's notes

Ways to stop a spell

+ Use of a specific counterspell (e.g 'nox' to stop 'lumos')
+ use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects (e.g 'aguamenti' to put out a fire started by 'incendio')
+ Use of a generic counterspell (e.g 'finite' or 'finite incantatem')
+ In some cases, the death or murder of the caster
+ In some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus
+ The use of potions to negate the effects in question (e.g Growth Charm countered by Shrinking Solution)
+ Preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it
+ Wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own
+ Use a series of many spells to negate cancel composite spell effects

Finite versus Finite Incantatum

While both Finite and Finite Incantatum can be used to stop a spell, Finite is more directed to an object or person whilst Finite Incantatum is towards all the spells taking place in an area. Only exception is Finite Incatatum is ineffective on the Unforgivable curses.


After finishing her writing, Kimalia closed her hands to rest on her desk while waiting for the next set of questions/instructions.
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Jordan rasied his hand, "Professor, doesn't Finite stop the effects of a spell on a targeted object." he said, "Whilst Finite Incantatem stops the effects on spells in a surrounding area, doesn't it?" he asked.
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SPOILER!!: Notes

Ways to End a Spell

1. Use of a specific counterspell (e.g 'nox' to stop 'lumos')
2. use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects (e.g 'aguamenti' to put out a fire started by 'incendio')
3. Use of a generic counterspell (e.g 'finite' or 'finite incantatem')
4. In some cases, the death of the caster
5. In some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus
6. The use of potions to negate the effects in question (e.g Growth Charm countered by Shrinking Solution)
7. Preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it
8. Wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own
9. Use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects

Difference Between Finite and Finite Incantatum
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Ariella glanced down at her parchment. It seemed as if everyone else was already giving the same answers. Oh, well. She supposed that she might as well take some notes in the time-being.
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Ways to Cease a Spell
1.Use of a specific counterspell (e.g 'nox' to stop 'lumos')
2. Use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects (e.g 'aguamenti' to put out a fire started by 'incendio')
3. Use of a generic counterspell (e.g 'finite' or 'finite incantatem')
4. In some cases, the death of the caster
5. In some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus
6. The use of potions to negate the effects in question (e.g Growth Charm countered by Shrinking Solution)
7. Preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it
8. Wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own
9. Use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects
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Ira knew the answer to the next question.. But looked around and saw that many others had already answered, and the answers were correct as well. So what was the sense in repeating the same answers again and again?

So, she just decided to keep quiet and take notes. So taking her parchment and quill, she wrote down the points discussed:
SPOILER!!: Ira's notes
Ways to stop a spell:
* Use of a specific counterspell (e.g 'nox' to stop 'lumos')
* use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects (e.g 'aguamenti' to put out a fire started by 'incendio')
* Use of a generic counterspell (e.g 'finite' or 'finite incantatem')
* In some cases, the death or murder of the caster
* In some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus
* The use of potions to negate the effects in question (e.g Growth Charm countered by Shrinking Solution)
* Preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it
* Wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own
* Use a series of many spells to negate cancel composite spell effects

Difference between Finite and Finite Incantatum

While both Finite and Finite Incantatum can be used to stop a spell, Finite is more directed to an object or person whilst Finite Incantatum is towards all the spells taking place in a surrounding area.
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"A specific counter-spell or Finite Incantatem, yes." She nodded at the Slytherin Hufflepuff and then at Miss Hollingberry. Not the exact one she was looking for but still right.

"Not always, but it often does."

"Yes, you can."

"Yes, that's right." Not specific but still right.

"Only if it is a spell or a counter-spell. You couldn't just say a Latin word that happens to mean the opposite of the spell you are trying to stop and expect anything to happen."

"It does depend on the charm, yes."

"That's right."

And there we go! Finite!

"Right."

Now they were getting into it.

"Absolutely right." She nodded.

"Finite IncantATEM." Althea corrected. "And a counter-spell is only a counter-curse if it is intended to negate a curse." But she wasn't wrong, the professor was simply clarifying, and providing corrections.
"Finite or Finite Incantatem, yes and as for lowering your wand, it depends on the spell. Think of it this way, bewitched items would not retain their magical properties if they required the spell to be constantly applied and targeted."

"Right."

"Right. Lumos has Nox."


"In some cases, yes." The professor answered.

She nodded at the Ravenclaw. Right.

And was it just her or was THAT the most engaged she'd SEEN Miss Stone? It made Professor Schirmer curious in return.

"Absolutely correct." All three points as it were.

"You could block the spell from taking hold to begin with, yes. But jinxes are opposed by counter-jinxes, not counter-curses." Semantics but still.

Enthusiasm was only good when the answers were right... so it was a good thing this 'puff was right.

"Right." Professor Schirmer answered, with a small smile in spite of herself.

"Absolutely right and thank you for sharing the difference between those two, its very important and often confused." And they'd be using just the one today.

"Finite Incantatem does not work on everything. Usually if there is a specific counter-spell, the specific one is necessary, but it is also a matter of strength and experience of the caster. A first year would have a tougher time of negating all spell effects with Finite Incantatem than a seventh year." And as for the unforgiveable part, "No way except for dodging them or presenting a physical barrier as an obstacle." So shield didn't work.

"It very much depends on the spell. Charms by nature have more longevity than some other spells, and will last on their own without need for constant focus from the original caster."

"That's right." Just about everything.

"That's right, you need to use the counter, until the spell effects wear off on their own." Which they would... eventually.

"Correct." Althea answered with a nod.

"Almost everything." She agreed.

She was pretty sure that August Goldstein now knew, on pain of DEATH that he should keep his mouth shut now.

"Like death." She agreed, pointedly. WATCHYOSEEEELFFF, Gryffindor.

Good thing he kept delivering good answers, or she wouldn't like him.

"You're right."

"Yes, Mr. Uronen, thank you for that answer." She mentally chalked up a few more points to the Ravenclaw.

Oh and Keefer got another smile from the professor.

"Sometimes you do need to use a series of spells to negate the composite effect of spells applied to a bewitched object. That's right!" And tied into one of their future lessons as it was. Aww she liked that 'puffer. She would like to give him almost as many points as she would like to load on a Ravenclaw. Almost.

You know, if she were less impartial and fair.

"That's right, thank you for clarifying the differences."



"It can stop some spells yes." She agreed with the two students.

"In some cases. It depends on the spell."
"Yes in all cases those approaches are effective to varying degrees."

"It is pretty universal, but it is also non-specific which is sometimes a problem."

"And you should use a specific counter if there is one, yes."

"That's true. A lot of spells don't have a counter, and that is when you'd use Finite Incantatem or Finite if possible."

"That's right Miss Wheatborn." Had she raised her hand?



"Yes, counter-spells."

"Finite Incantatem is one way, yes."

"Those two are right but some Dark Magic can be reversed or the injuries healed at least partially. You're right about a body part lost to that curse being permanent, however."

"Yes a counter-spell used to counter a charm is called a counter-charm."

"That's right."

"Counter-curses for curses or counter-charms for charms. Also known as counter-spells as a catch-all term." She clarified. And Finite Incantatem was obviously right.

"Right."


SPOILER!!: answers to your questions, points deductions, all that fun stuff


Really? What was this Ravenclaw doing? NOT paying attention, clearly.

"5 points from Ravenclaw for NOT paying attention to the lesson. You can revise in your own time, NOT in mine."

And because her attention was already on the student.

"Another five points from you for chatting in class. Do NOT distract other students." Or do anything else which would make Althea have to take points from her former house. Sigh.
ooc: Refer to the Charms Code of Conduct! Althea's pretty strict. However you'll totally earn the points back for participating so please don't get disenchanted, losing points is part of the fun.


"Nox does negate lumos but we aren't doing either of those spells today."

"Magic, like anything else, is a skill." Althea answered. "One you can learn and better yourself in, but as with any skill, some have a natural talent and are more likely to do better or find it easy. If you're magical however, which you are or you wouldn't be here, then as long as you work hard, you can do well for yourself. As for intent being the same, that isn't always true. Sometimes it depends on things like, who has the most to lose, who is more desperate, who needs something more. Intent is very often emotion-driven. Does that help? If you wish to talk about it more, we can do so after class, or I can share a book on the topic." Althea Schirmer had a lot of books.

Really?

REALLY?

Althea wasn't even going to entertain nonsense like that.

"Five points from Hufflepuff for a ridiculous, blatantly incorrect answer and for not taking the question seriously." Throwing your wand on the ground and stamping on it? A wand was like.... an extension of yourself.

....

Was that a TONE? Was the little Gryffindor taking a TONE with her? Althea eyed the girl for a long moment. The scoffing and arm-crossing did not plead her case.

"If you don't have anything constructive to say, then don't say anything at all. 5 points from you for rudeness and for NOT raising your hand to speak."

Sigh.

Not that she minded taking points but Althea didn't like being the baddie so to speak. But still, there were some things she would NOT tolerate. Simple.

"The ways to end or negate spell effects include," And the words appeared on the blackboard as she spoke. "Use of a specific counterspell; use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects; use of a generic counterspell; in some cases, the death of the caster; in some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus; the use of potions to negate the effects in question ; preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it ; wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own; use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects."



"Of course not all of these methods are effective in all cases. Remember that charms, by nature tend to be longer-lasting. Think of magical, bewitched objects. The charms on these are not applied constantly, and the intent used to apply said charms does not need to be held in the original caster's mind in order for them to continue working." So the concept of lowering your wand really only worked while the charm was being cast in the first place. Mmmhmm.

"The difference between Finite and Finite Incantatem is important to note. We're going to be using Finite to counter the charm I'm going to teach you today. Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?" Just a quick easy question.

ooc: I don't need a million answers to this one, I'll reply once I have a few that are right and move on with the lesson. So if there are already several posts with the answer, but you still want to post/show you're participating, you can go ahead and have your charrie taking notes/listening etc instead of responding with the answer.


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Minerva shot up her hand, but she wasn't called on it happens sometimes. She thought about what her second grade teacher once said everyone gets a chance and sometimes you have to wait your turn. So she decided to put her hand down and put the answer in her notebook.


Harvey wanted to answer the question.. he saw that Mins put up her hand and then back down.. so he decided to let others have a chance at answering questions.. so he listened to everyone and wrote down the notes on his parchment.
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Ways to Stop a Spell

1.Use of a specific counterspell (e.g 'nox' to stop 'lumos')
2. Use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects (e.g 'aguamenti' to put out a fire started by 'incendio')
3. Use of a generic counterspell (e.g 'finite' or 'finite incantatem')
4. In some cases, the death of the caster
5. In some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus
6. The use of potions to negate the effects in question (e.g Growth Charm countered by Shrinking Solution)
7. Preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it
8. Wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own
9. Use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects
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"The difference between Finite and Finite Incantatem is important to note. We're going to be using Finite to counter the charm I'm going to teach you today. Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?" Just a quick easy question.
Nate once again raised his hand, sensing that Professor Schirmer wanted to keep this part of the lesson brief. "Finite is more specific than Finite Incantatem, isn't it?" he said, sort of a question. He wasn't entirely sure, but based on what he could draw from memory--and what his classmates were saying--that seemed to make sense.
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Sophie was listening as the others students were talking and frowned. She then raised her hand. "Professor, I thought Finite would be to stop a spell that's like... coming out of our wand, you know, when we cast it. But Finite Incantatem is the one we should use if the spell is... somewhere else. In an object or something."
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Was that a TONE? Was the little Gryffindor taking a TONE with her? Althea eyed the girl for a long moment. The scoffing and arm-crossing did not plead her case.

"If you don't have anything constructive to say, then don't say anything at all. 5 points from you for rudeness and for NOT raising your hand to speak."
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Sigh.

Not that she minded taking points but Althea didn't like being the baddie so to speak. But still, there were some things she would NOT tolerate. Simple.

"The ways to end or negate spell effects include," And the words appeared on the blackboard as she spoke. "Use of a specific counterspell; use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects; use of a generic counterspell; in some cases, the death of the caster; in some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus; the use of potions to negate the effects in question ; preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it ; wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own; use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects."



"Of course not all of these methods are effective in all cases. Remember that charms, by nature tend to be longer-lasting. Think of magical, bewitched objects. The charms on these are not applied constantly, and the intent used to apply said charms does not need to be held in the original caster's mind in order for them to continue working." So the concept of lowering your wand really only worked while the charm was being cast in the first place. Mmmhmm.

"The difference between Finite and Finite Incantatem is important to note. We're going to be using Finite to counter the charm I'm going to teach you today. Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?" Just a quick easy question.


What?

Why was the woman looking at her like that? Lea did not like the look on her face and soon enough she found herself to be totally right!!! The evil woman took 5 points from her. How dare she!! Rudeness? She was not rude and if she had to raise her hand for everything she had to say, she was going to find some long rod to plant on the desk then glue her arm on it.

Meh...

Just letting out a LOUD annoyed sigh though, the little Gryffindor decided not to talk back. Otherwise the evil woman would take ALL the points from her house. She definitely would. Evil woman. Instead, taking a big piece of parchment and picking up her dark red quill, she began to copy whatever was on the blackboard. Bleh. She had thought learning magic would be fun but this was totally feeling like the uber boring history classes she took in elementary school. She had to copy whatever on the board and pretend not to sleep in that class as well.

She was still writing when the woman asked the next question. Why Finite and why not Finite Incantatum? Both sounded like the same but....eh...the girl shrugged. She had no idea why so she only kept doodling on her parchment.
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Since several people had already answered the professor's question, Violet jotted down the professor's notes.

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Ways to Stop a Spell

1.Use of a specific counterspell (e.g 'nox' to stop 'lumos')
2. Use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects (e.g 'aguamenti' to put out a fire started by 'incendio')
3. Use of a generic counterspell (e.g 'finite' or 'finite incantatem')
4. In some cases, the death of the caster
5. In some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus
6. The use of potions to negate the effects in question (e.g Growth Charm countered by Shrinking Solution)
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8. Wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own
9. Use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects
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Em was glad to hear that she had been right in offering Finite as the counter-spell. After hearing the question, she raised her hand and waited to be called on before answering "Are we using Finite because the object we will be using already has charms in place, and Finite Incantatem would stop the spells already on it?"
"Not quite. Good guess though." Althea answered.
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Heh? Why they are going to use Finite instead of Finite Incantatem? Aren't they just the same thing? Well, there has to be at least one difference, or else Professor won't ask that question. After debating on some possibilities, Janice raise her hand slowly to answer the question.

"Sir, maybe their strength of countering the spells are different. Maybe, because 'Finite' is shorter its strength will not as big as 'Finite Incantatem'."

Well that's a stupid answer.
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First of all... SIR?

A slip of the tongue, surely, but SIR????????????

"5 points from Hufflepuff for RUDENESS and calling me SIR!" REALLY. She huffed a bit then addressed the answer attempt. "That's not quite the right answer."
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Kacie grinned when she got the answer right, along with several other students. If she kept this up then she didn't think she'd have any problems in charms class, that is if she could actually perform the charms and not just know information about them. A confused look appeared on Kacie's face at the professors next question. Was there really a different between finite and finite incantatem? That she did not know, so she was a little hesitant at first to make a guess, but quickly got over it. Right or wrong, she never hesitated to speak her mind. Her hand shot in the air after a minute or two. "I got it. Finite incantatem is a HUNDRED TIMES more powerful then just finite and cancels ALL spells. If you was in a duel you wouldn't want to cancel your own spells to so finite incantatem would not be a very good spell to use."

"I wouldn't say a hundred times, but you're otherwise right." She nodded encouragingly.
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This Professor seriously didn't like her, she was just answering the question and she was sure that if she stood on her wand the spell would be broken, well anyway she wasn't going to let that set back stop her from answering any questions she would still do her best, she was very nervous though about what to say. "Professor is it because it will be easier for us first years to say then saying Finite In..whatever it is?" Laura had no idea how to say the last one.
"Incantatem, and no, ease of pronunciation has nothing to do with it."
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Raven raised her hand and tried to answer the question.

"Professor Schirmer, Maybe Finite used to stop any spell, but Finite Incantatem used to remove a spell or jinx or hex from something?" because in duelling club, she only use finite for stop the spell that attacked toward her.

"No, the counter-spells both work on the same spells, its just a question of how many at once, and how specific you can be. Finite allows you to be specific in what you target." She offered a clarification.
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Autumn heard what all the students were saying and raised her hand "excuse me rofessor but can I ask a question? People are saying finite incatatum stop all spells in a area, does this apply for all spells? like protective spells ect?" Autumn wasnt sure
"Not all spells, since some are too strong or will only be reversed by a specific counter, but yes often finite incantatem can undo protective spells, but it would also target all the other spells in the area, as it is not selective about what it counters."

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Sophie was listening as the others students were talking and frowned. She then raised her hand. "Professor, I thought Finite would be to stop a spell that's like... coming out of our wand, you know, when we cast it. But Finite Incantatem is the one we should use if the spell is... somewhere else. In an object or something."

"Well, not actually while you're casting it. Finite is the one to target a specific spell, regardless of how long it has been applied. Finite Incantatem is more general."
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"Those of you who answered that Finite targets a specific spell on an object or individual and Finite Incantatem ends spell effects in the surrounding area are correct."

That hadn't been too painful, really.

"Today we're going to learn a Gripping Charm." She paused. "What do you know about Gripping Charms, what do you think they'd be useful for?"
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That peaked her interest considerably. CONSIDERABLY. In fact, Ellie was even smiling now. Way to go, Schirmer. You may have just earned yourself your first ever Ellie-points.

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A gripping charm... Aurora truly had no idea. So she guessed. "Professor, is it to make something easier to hold?" She had her quill poised to note down the other suggestions in case she was wrong.
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