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The charms classroom was clean and bright and ready for the first lesson of the year and Professor Schirmer was waiting at the front of the class for the students to arrive.
Was she in a good mood? Well she was ALMOST smiling, at least.
The desks are set up in the usual way, no funny business today.
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ooc: sorry for the time conversion confusion O_O I do not know how I got it so messed up, I'm totally usually an expert. I blame posting the notice before I was awake.
Don't worry if you can't join in from the beginning, this lesson will last through the weekend and this first post will be updated as the lesson progresses.
Questions so far: What should firsties know about charms? What do we know about incantations? How do we make a spell and its effects cease? Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today? What do you know about Gripping Charms and what do you think they'd be useful for? The gripping charm you will learn today has the incantation 'Prehenso'. Can anyone guess how the meaning of this incantation relates to its purpose? Can you think of any related English words?
ooc instructions for practising activity can be found here and here
Class is OVER but come and play CAPTURE THE FLAG! This will be your homework and the game is worth 20 points each!
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Originally Posted by Tegz
"The difference between Finite and Finite Incantatem is important to note. We're going to be using Finite to counter the charm I'm going to teach you today. Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?" Just a quick easy question.
Just as Sierra was raising her hand to answer one question, another question was asked. She lowered her hand and frowned. Then she shot it back into the air again. She was going to answer this one--yes, she was. No, she wasn't a Ravenclaw. She was a Slytherin, and she demanded points!
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No, ...really. She needed to answer this question. Sitting here like a bump on a log was getting her nowhere. "Finite Incantatem is used when you want to stop all the spells in a certain area. It's not always effective, because you may end up ending a spell that you didn't intend to end--like a protection spell. It's too uncertain to bank on," she said. "Finite is more certain, because it targets only the spells you intend to stop, so if you're at least halfway decent with a wand, you should be okay."
Only then Hades realised he should've asked his mother more about charms theoritically since she was the expert. However, he can't owl her now and expect her to reply immediately. Therefore, logic was almost everything he had. He never did much reading anyways. Hades was a Slytherin, the same house as Merlin's. Not some house with nerdy kids walking around with books.
Oh! There goes another quetion! Quickly, the bot shot his hand up to the air. "Finite Incantatem nullifies the spells placed in an area whilst Finite only nullifies spells on the targetted object. Finite Incantatem can cause all spells even the defensive ones to nullify, thus it can be troublesome especially during battles," he answered as he slowly lowered his hand.
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Finite and Finite Incantatem... Jonathan wrote it down in his parchment. Are these the spell they'll be using? On top of that, they'll be doing an activity outside too.
After writing the two words onto his parchment, the professor did ask the difference between the two. Jonathan again raised his hand to answer. "Well, both cease or stops the effect of a spell or a charm" he started "but.. the Finite stops the spell effects that one targets while the Finite Incantatem stops all the spell effects in the surrounding or around the area." he added.
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It seems like most of the other students had given their answers and from her own knowledge of the spells Finite and Finite Incantatem, almost all of those who answered were correct.
Yes, Finite Incantatem stops spells in an area while Finite, it could stop spells one by one. She nodded as she thought. No need for talking and giving out the same idea the --th time right?
So, the young Ravenclaw just listened focusedly at the Charms Professor and the other students. She was somehow slow with understanding charms so she needed more concentration rather than repeating what has already been said.
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SPOILER!!: Professor Schirmer
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Sigh.
Not that she minded taking points but Althea didn't like being the baddie so to speak. But still, there were some things she would NOT tolerate. Simple.
"The ways to end or negate spell effects include," And the words appeared on the blackboard as she spoke. "Use of a specific counterspell; use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects; use of a generic counterspell; in some cases, the death of the caster; in some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus; the use of potions to negate the effects in question ; preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it ; wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own; use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects."
"Of course not all of these methods are effective in all cases. Remember that charms, by nature tend to be longer-lasting. Think of magical, bewitched objects. The charms on these are not applied constantly, and the intent used to apply said charms does not need to be held in the original caster's mind in order for them to continue working." So the concept of lowering your wand really only worked while the charm was being cast in the first place. Mmmhmm.
"The difference between Finite and Finite Incantatem is important to note. We're going to be using Finite to counter the charm I'm going to teach you today. Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?" Just a quick easy question.
ooc: I don't need a million answers to this one, I'll reply once I have a few that are right and move on with the lesson. So if there are already several posts with the answer, but you still want to post/show you're participating, you can go ahead and have your charrie taking notes/listening etc instead of responding with the answer.
Alyssa thought carefully about the answer before raising her hand."Professor, we will be using just the Finite spell to counter the charm instead of the other spell because you just want us to end the spell that was cast on the object that we are working on, and not end all spells that have been cast in the surrounding areas around us, which is what using the spell Finite Incantatem will do. "Alyssa hoped that her answer was sufficient.
Eino knew the difference, but, having no additional insight to provide to the discussion, he remained quite. He took this opportunity to take further notes and make small corrections to previous ones. As he looked up and returned his attention to the discussion, he did make a small observation. The incantation 'finite' was to end only one specific charm, but the word 'finite' was in the plural. Technically, the incantation for only one target would have to be 'fini,' which led Eino to believe it probably hadn't been a fluent Latin speaker who invented the spell, or the incantation, to the exact. He had never thought about the incantations as indications or clues for when a spell was possibly invented, so this was an interesting new observation.
Ellie tilted her head, "Doesn't Finite Incantatem tend to remove all charms within the area of the caster? A regular Finite requires direct contact or aim of the wand with the intended object that the caster wishes the charm to be removed from, and therefore, only removes the charm on said object." Yes, yes.
But she already KNEW Finite. She wanted to know what spell they were going to apply Finite to. THAT was what had her curious.
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Desiree wrote down notes while the Professor talked, her quill scribbling across the page struggling to keep up.
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Ways to End a Spell
Use of a specific counterspell (e.g 'nox' to stop 'lumos')
use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects (e.g 'aguamenti' to put out a fire started by 'incendio')
Use of a generic counterspell (e.g 'finite' or 'finite incantatem')
In some cases, the death of the caster
In some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus
The use of potions to negate the effects in question (e.g Growth Charm countered by Shrinking Solution)
Preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it
Wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own
Use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects
Difference Between 'Finite' and 'Finite Incantatem'
She wrote down the last bit, and waited for Professor Schirmer to continue. She had no clue what the difference was, and so she just sat twirling her quill listening to the other student's answers.
Heh? Why they are going to use Finite instead of Finite Incantatem? Aren't they just the same thing? Well, there has to be at least one difference, or else Professor won't ask that question. After debating on some possibilities, Janice raise her hand slowly to answer the question.
"Sir, maybe their strength of countering the spells are different. Maybe, because 'Finite' is shorter its strength will not as big as 'Finite Incantatem'."
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Laura didn't really like this Professor much, she was scaring her with the way she was looking, it was only a question and the Professor had asked did they have any questions. "Okay Professor."
Laura looked at the Professor and smiled before saying. "Professor to stop a spell you just throw you wand on the floor and stamp on it." Well surely that would stop the spell.
Gwen groaned inwardly, a little annoyed with Laura's answer. She'd lost Hufflepuff five more house points!
However, Gwen was in more of an empathetic mood today and refrained from glaring at Laura. Giving a silly answer could happen to anyone. Maybe it was just nerves or something.
Gwen continued writing down all the important points the Professor was making. As for the Finite and Finite Incantatem question, she'd already stated the answer she would have given before and there was no use in repeating herself. The older students seemed to be giving far more elaborate answers, anyways.
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Originally Posted by Tegz
"The difference between Finite and Finite Incantatem is important to note. We're going to be using Finite to counter the charm I'm going to teach you today. Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?" Just a quick easy question.
Ahhh.
She could see the professor's point. "Finite ends only the spell we want," Nora said as she raised her hand, "while Finite Incantatem ends all the spells around." That made sense.
So... they were going to end just one spell, whatever that one was.
Not that she minded taking points but Althea didn't like being the baddie so to speak. But still, there were some things she would NOT tolerate. Simple.
"The ways to end or negate spell effects include," And the words appeared on the blackboard as she spoke. "Use of a specific counterspell; use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects; use of a generic counterspell; in some cases, the death of the caster; in some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus; the use of potions to negate the effects in question ; preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it ; wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own; use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects."
"Of course not all of these methods are effective in all cases. Remember that charms, by nature tend to be longer-lasting. Think of magical, bewitched objects. The charms on these are not applied constantly, and the intent used to apply said charms does not need to be held in the original caster's mind in order for them to continue working." So the concept of lowering your wand really only worked while the charm was being cast in the first place. Mmmhmm.
"The difference between Finite and Finite Incantatem is important to note. We're going to be using Finite to counter the charm I'm going to teach you today. Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?" Just a quick easy question.
ooc: I don't need a million answers to this one, I'll reply once I have a few that are right and move on with the lesson. So if there are already several posts with the answer, but you still want to post/show you're participating, you can go ahead and have your charrie taking notes/listening etc instead of responding with the answer.
Zack looked up as the professor was still busy explaining things to the students. Gosh! this is so boring....why don't they just read instead of asking them....of course this is the time for some practical stuff, don't they know that?
Zack looked around to the ones from whom professor deducted the points. So bad.....using tone with a professor.....too bad! hehe.... Okay, so now he just had to keep waiting until all their doubts were cleared. Wait what? Another question? But i thought we were going out.....hmm.... i know this one though he thought and raised his hand to answer. "Professor, Finite and Finite Incantatem are different because they have a different effect on spells. Finite only helps to counter on single spell where as Finite Incantatem counters all the spells in that particular area." he said and brought his hand down. Hope we could go out after this one at least.
Not that she minded taking points but Althea didn't like being the baddie so to speak. But still, there were some things she would NOT tolerate. Simple.
"The ways to end or negate spell effects include," And the words appeared on the blackboard as she spoke. "Use of a specific counterspell; use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects; use of a generic counterspell; in some cases, the death of the caster; in some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus; the use of potions to negate the effects in question ; preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it ; wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own; use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects."
"Of course not all of these methods are effective in all cases. Remember that charms, by nature tend to be longer-lasting. Think of magical, bewitched objects. The charms on these are not applied constantly, and the intent used to apply said charms does not need to be held in the original caster's mind in order for them to continue working." So the concept of lowering your wand really only worked while the charm was being cast in the first place. Mmmhmm.
"The difference between Finite and Finite Incantatem is important to note. We're going to be using Finite to counter the charm I'm going to teach you today. Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?" Just a quick easy question.
ooc: I don't need a million answers to this one, I'll reply once I have a few that are right and move on with the lesson. So if there are already several posts with the answer, but you still want to post/show you're participating, you can go ahead and have your charrie taking notes/listening etc instead of responding with the answer.
Kacie grinned when she got the answer right, along with several other students. If she kept this up then she didn't think she'd have any problems in charms class, that is if she could actually perform the charms and not just know information about them. A confused look appeared on Kacie's face at the professors next question. Was there really a different between finite and finite incantatem? That she did not know, so she was a little hesitant at first to make a guess, but quickly got over it. Right or wrong, she never hesitated to speak her mind. Her hand shot in the air after a minute or two. "I got it. Finite incantatem is a HUNDRED TIMES more powerful then just finite and cancels ALL spells. If you was in a duel you wouldn't want to cancel your own spells to so finite incantatem would not be a very good spell to use."
Lewis FROWNED openly at the girl - after making sure she wasn't looking at him - who had just lost them house points by suggesting to throw your wand on the floor and stomp on it. Seriously, what was wrong with those people?!
Seeing as he had been a little distracted disapproving of some of his classmates, Lewis missed his opportunity to answer the professor's next question. So many other people had said the correct answer already, there was really no need for him to say it again. So instead, he just copied the information on the blackboard, waiting for the practical part of this lesson to start.
SPOILER!!: answers to your questions, points deductions, all that fun stuff
Really?
REALLY?
Althea wasn't even going to entertain nonsense like that.
"Five points from Hufflepuff for a ridiculous, blatantly incorrect answer and for not taking the question seriously." Throwing your wand on the ground and stamping on it? A wand was like.... an extension of yourself.
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Sigh.
Not that she minded taking points but Althea didn't like being the baddie so to speak. But still, there were some things she would NOT tolerate. Simple.
"The ways to end or negate spell effects include," And the words appeared on the blackboard as she spoke. "Use of a specific counterspell; use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects; use of a generic counterspell; in some cases, the death of the caster; in some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus; the use of potions to negate the effects in question ; preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it ; wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own; use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects."
"Of course not all of these methods are effective in all cases. Remember that charms, by nature tend to be longer-lasting. Think of magical, bewitched objects. The charms on these are not applied constantly, and the intent used to apply said charms does not need to be held in the original caster's mind in order for them to continue working." So the concept of lowering your wand really only worked while the charm was being cast in the first place. Mmmhmm.
"The difference between Finite and Finite Incantatem is important to note. We're going to be using Finite to counter the charm I'm going to teach you today. Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?" Just a quick easy question.
This Professor seriously didn't like her, she was just answering the question and she was sure that if she stood on her wand the spell would be broken, well anyway she wasn't going to let that set back stop her from answering any questions she would still do her best, she was very nervous though about what to say. "Professor is it because it will be easier for us first years to say then saying Finite In..whatever it is?" Laura had no idea how to say the last one.
Gustav quickly scribbled the main points. He preferred not to answer the question earlier because he needed to watch how the class had been carried out. So far...5 points had being taken away for something Laura had said. He thought it was amusing. He didn't really care if they win or lose house points but it seemed the other students really did care and they were looking far more irritated than amused.
There were a few English words he didn't quite understand. But he decided to skip the parts he didn't know and focus more on the effects of the charms used.
He raised his hand,"Finite is used to target a specific object, if we use finite incartatem, we are canceling all spells from any caster that are use within a wizard duel or in a wide area...it is not necessary.."he answered.
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Raven raised her hand and tried to answer the question.
"Professor Schirmer, Maybe Finite used to stop any spell, but Finite Incantatem used to remove a spell or jinx or hex from something?" because in duelling club, she only use finite for stop the spell that attacked toward her.
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Not that she minded taking points but Althea didn't like being the baddie so to speak. But still, there were some things she would NOT tolerate. Simple.
"The ways to end or negate spell effects include," And the words appeared on the blackboard as she spoke. "Use of a specific counterspell; use of a spell that opposes the specific spell effects; use of a generic counterspell; in some cases, the death of the caster; in some cases, lowering your wand and ceasing your focus; the use of potions to negate the effects in question ; preventing the spell from taking hold by blocking or warding against it ; wait for the spell effects to wear off on its own; use a series of spells to negate composite spell effects."
"Of course not all of these methods are effective in all cases. Remember that charms, by nature tend to be longer-lasting. Think of magical, bewitched objects. The charms on these are not applied constantly, and the intent used to apply said charms does not need to be held in the original caster's mind in order for them to continue working." So the concept of lowering your wand really only worked while the charm was being cast in the first place. Mmmhmm.
"The difference between Finite and Finite Incantatem is important to note. We're going to be using Finite to counter the charm I'm going to teach you today. Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today?" Just a quick easy question.
ooc: I don't need a million answers to this one, I'll reply once I have a few that are right and move on with the lesson. So if there are already several posts with the answer, but you still want to post/show you're participating, you can go ahead and have your charrie taking notes/listening etc instead of responding with the answer.
Choosing not to answer the previous question proved to be useful, sort of since at least now she could take notes. Properly.
"Finite cancels a specific spell, while Finite Incantatem cancels out all the spells nearby." She answered, only slightly confident that her answer was correct. Besides, it would be stupid to use Finite Incantatem in an area where a bunch of students were trying to master a spell...unless you just want to be hexed. and that was something she could live without.
It was clear to everyone- when using Finite Incantatem, all spells in the area are stopped. While Finite can be used for the spells you actually intend to stop, the Ravenclaw thought and wrote these ideas on a piece of parchment. So no, there wasn't anything she could add. Now- why would they need finite and finite incantatem? Was the Professor sure they were going to screw something up, or was it actually necessary in that class? Hmm...
Aurora was scribbling notes so quickly that her usually neat handwriting had become an almost illegible scrawl. She had a small crease in her forehead from concentration - Charms was not her strongpoint...
LuLu glared at the girl that lost TEN points from Ravenclaw! Hopfully she'd win them back at the end of the class.. She was very praticular with house points.. Other than that poor girl it wasn't easy being a first year and the whole concentarting concept wasn't easy either but she couldn't help it she was quite upset about it... She decided she'd go on with the class Finite and Finite Incantatem, Her hand raised up in the air
''Finite and Finite Incantatem both achieve the same result, that being an end to all spells. However, the difference between them is Finite ends all spells in one shot! But Finaite Incantatem ends all spells in the area,''
Messer listened as the Professor corrected his answer. Right. He made a note about that counter curse and counter charm. Might come in handy later. The eleven cringed when Professor Schirmer deducted 5 points from Hufflepuff. He eyed the girl who costed them lost house points.
Then the Professor asked another question why they gonna use Finite instead of Finite Incantatem. He raised his hand in the air before he speak "Because Finite stops all currently remaining spell effect on a specific object or creature while Finite Incantatem used to terminate all spell effect in one's surroundings."
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Autumn heard what all the students were saying and raised her hand "excuse me rofessor but can I ask a question? People are saying finite incatatum stop all spells in a area, does this apply for all spells? like protective spells ect?" Autumn wasnt sure
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