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The charms classroom was clean and bright and ready for the first lesson of the year and Professor Schirmer was waiting at the front of the class for the students to arrive.
Was she in a good mood? Well she was ALMOST smiling, at least.
The desks are set up in the usual way, no funny business today.
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ooc: sorry for the time conversion confusion O_O I do not know how I got it so messed up, I'm totally usually an expert. I blame posting the notice before I was awake.
Don't worry if you can't join in from the beginning, this lesson will last through the weekend and this first post will be updated as the lesson progresses.
Questions so far: What should firsties know about charms? What do we know about incantations? How do we make a spell and its effects cease? Why do you think we will want to use Finite and NOT Finite Incantatem as the counterspell today? What do you know about Gripping Charms and what do you think they'd be useful for? The gripping charm you will learn today has the incantation 'Prehenso'. Can anyone guess how the meaning of this incantation relates to its purpose? Can you think of any related English words?
ooc instructions for practising activity can be found here and here
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SPOILER!!: Professah!
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"The more you practice the better you'll get." In other words.
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"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
ooc: Firsties and new students! You'll find 'page 47 of Quintessence a Quest' in this post.
You don't have to and aren't expected to answer ALL the incantation-y questions, just what you think your character would know/want to answer. Just share what you know .
Yes, of course. Practicing makes everything someone does better. Beatrice simply nodded at the Professor after the given comment and proceeded to listen to her continued explanation and answers with the other student's own opinion.
After all the answers had been entertained, Professor Schirmer tackled into the Introduction of Charms with a simple summary about what makes Charms work--the wand movement, incantation and the intent. She already knew about those last term yet Beatrice nevertheless still copied into her own parchment what the Professor had discussed.
Moving on..
Incantations.
Waiting for the right time to speak, Beezus raised her hand and gave her own idea when no one else was talking. "Professor, an incantation is or are words that are used to create enchantments or charms. Usually, words that are used in incantations are Latin and Greek," she did not know what words aren't used for incantations so she just passed it over. Now to the relationship of incantations and spells. "Incantations Professor as I've said earlier are the words spoken whereas spells, though some still require words need certain formulas. Now we can say that the incantations are the chosen and the spells that are enclosed in those incantations are really what brings forth the effects." She explained. As for the other questions, well..she did not know. After all, she was still a second year.
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Originally Posted by Tegz
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
Oo, Kimalia remembered the brief talk of incantations last term, raising her hand once again. "Well, the concepts of Incantations deal more with a certain feeling or reasoning than to just casting one simple spell," Adding on to it, "such as having a chain of spells combined... perhaps like how most protection charms are used by those in hiding." She added that lost part in thought. Hm.
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Eino folded his sleeves up and stretched his hand before in engaging in what felt like endless writing. The students spoke, then Professor Schirmer either confirmed their claims or corrected them. In most cases, though, the students had echoed each other, so it wasn't until the professor spoke that Eino's hand began to cramp. He still had the bad habit of trying to write down his notes word by word, instead of summarizing or paraphrasing. When he was done, he put his quill down, relaxed his writing hand and raised the opposite one. When it came his turn to speak, he began: "As mentioned, incantations are generally in Latin. The reason is because their meanings are unchangeable. Words in English, for example, often undergo a series of different changes, but the same can't happen with Latin, which is why it is so convenient to use it for incantations. This makes it easier to remember the spells, the incantation, and their effect." He paused for a second to catch his breath, then opened his mouth again. "Of course, some of them possibly were created during the Roman Empire, and the spoken language was Latin." And with that he concluded his long speech.
"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
Selena blinked at the professor before realizing she ought to take notes. She was did know what they were talking about... but perhaps she ought to take notes just in case she got old and forgot? Eh. Her quill moved across the page of her notebook as she listened to the professor and the answers provided. Right. Moving on.
"Incantations are words that the caster needs in order to perform the spell, they usually have greek or latin roots however there's also non-verbal magic, where you don't need to say the incantation out loud but it can be less effective and it's much more challenging," Selena said after raising her hand.
And she knew this because it was on her OWLs. Which she had passed for this class. Which was awesome. Yup.
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"Actually, Mr Vaughn, Along with behaviour, Charms CAN change the superficial appearance of a thing, just not what the thing fundamentally is." She assumed that was what he was trying to say, but to be clear.
"Well, no they don't. Right. Human transformation is a branch of Transfiguration. However there IS a charm to reverse transformations, though it is usually taught in Transfiguration lessons if at all, since it is a reversal spell aimed at transfiguration magic. Its fairly complex." So probably not one any younger student would ever manage on a large scale.
Ok. He did underestimated Charms after all. Now he had to raise his hand a little higher. "I don't get what you mean, ma'am," admitted the boy honestly. He was better off with practical than theoritical. If it wasn't because of exams, Hades wouldn't care about all these useless theories!
Nothing was better than going back to basics. It actually helped him recall things he oversaw. "Well, most incantations describe the effect of the spells like the Levitation and Hover Charms both have the words levis which means 'light' in Latin," answered Hades just before he lowered his hand.
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Vashti had been busy jotting down notes while her fellow students answered the first question. They'd all answered with the ones she could think of, so she had decided to just keep quiet and listen and think. She continued her note-taking as Professor Schirmer spoke, briefly wishing that she knew the spell to make her quill write what she wanted with magic - or at least, if she somehow did know it, to actually remember it. She might even ask about it later sometime since she was going to be taking lots and lots of notes to help with her NEWTs.
And now that the professor had asked more questions, perhaps it was time for taking a break from note-taking. Vashti set her quill down and raised her hand. "Incantations are words that are usually derived from Latin, though it's not impossible for them to be based on other languages. But they usually can't be just any word. Like, for example, if you pointed your wand at an object and said 'turn green,' chances are the object wouldn't actually turn green because those words aren't an actual incantation. Also, it's important to remember that an incantation must always be pronounced correctly if you want the spell to do what it is meant to do." And now...back to taking notes. Sigh.
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Silvia was carefully writing down as much as she could, trying to make her notes as neat as possible so she could easily read and organize them later. She couldn’t wait to get past the first few lessons and actually get a chance to try her first spells, but she knew that the first lessons were often the most important to understanding the subject. So she made sure to pay attention.
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Originally Posted by Tegz
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.[/INDENT]
Silvia was a bit too shy to attempt an answer to the instructor’s first question, especially in such a large class. She would have felt much better about answering if the class was a lot smaller. But she knew she would eventually have to get over being shy and participate, so she took a deep breath and slowly raised her hand.
“An incantation is a word or phrase, sometimes of Latin origin, that is used to help focus one’s magic in order to produce a desired spell. Incantations can sometimes be nonverbal.”
Ira listened to everyone's answers and noted down whatever Professor explained precisely but patiently. In most cases though, the answers were just repetitions of someone else. After the basic introduction to the subject, Professor delved into the incantations and spells. Ira hated the theory part of charms. She knew that it was important, but couldn't bring herself to study it. She much more preferred the practical part. So though she was already lost in the trail of the discussion, she kept her ears open and jotted down all she could, hoping to revise it back at the study tables.
When the next question was asked, Ira began thinking. She knew what was an incantation. But types of words used? Were there some specific words which couldn't be used? Damn, why hadn't she paid attention last year? Yet, she decided to answer as much as she could.
Raising her hand up in the air, she answered, "Professor, incantations are the words which together form a spell. I mean, the difference between an incantation and a spell is that the incantation involves the actual words used within a spell. It usually has latin or greek roots"
Then thinking about the words which could and couldn't be used, she continued, "Pronunciation is very important part. Wrong pronunciation may cause reverse effects of even backfire." Ira remembered how Professor had made them correct their pronunciation for spells last term. "And as for the words which can or cannot be used, I think the words used must be specific, to-the-point and focused."
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Alex raised his hand. "Well, the incantation..." Wait, how exactly DID an incantation work? He'd never had to think about it before. How did his body, his magical abilities, KNOW what he wanted to do just by saying a few words. WHOA. This was like, mind blowing to think about.
"It tells your...wand, I guess?...what you want it to do. If you translate the incantations we have for spells, it directly relates to what the spell DOES to the object it's cast upon. So people who invent spells don't just pick random words like 'pickle snout' or whatever when making these things," he explained. "And, as many people pointed out, they're usually in Latin. Cause all old things are," he said with a shrug.
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"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
ooc: Firsties and new students! You'll find 'page 47 of Quintessence a Quest' in this post.
You don't have to and aren't expected to answer ALL the incantation-y questions, just what you think your character would know/want to answer. Just share what you know .
Em nodded as she listened to the professor's comments on her answers, and the answers of her classmates. When things started to appear on the board, the puff jotted them down in her notes. Hearing the question about incantations, the redhead raised her hand. "A spell's incantation usually differs from the spell name to help prevent a spell from being done on accident. Incantations are not common words, and are typically foreign in nature. Though, they are typically in Latin because that was the main language when a lot of the spells were first created."
She paused briefely, and then asked about someting that had always bothered her about incantation. "Do incantations ever change depending on the country? Like do the Japanese use the same incantations that we use, or do they use their own language?" To her, it only made since if they did not use Latin.
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SPOILER!!: Professor Schirmer
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Originally Posted by Tegz
ooc: remember to refresh next time if you see me in the thread
"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
ooc: Firsties and new students! You'll find 'page 47 of Quintessence a Quest' in this post.
You don't have to and aren't expected to answer ALL the incantation-y questions, just what you think your character would know/want to answer. Just share what you know .
Alyssa quickly wrote down in her journal what the Professor had mentioned in her summation of the first question she posed. Then she listened to the next series of questions and after thinking for awhile and listening to some of the other students who had raised their hands and answered before her, Alyssa raised her hand and answered,"Professor, an Incantation is a sequence of words used to create a charm or spell. Most incantations are derived from latin based words, even though some incantations are based on the old languages, like Greek."
"What are the words not used in Incantation? Could it be the words that are commonly used by everybody? Because they are so common it would be dangerous if someone accidentally said a spell without intending to?"Alyssa hoped that her answer made sense.
"As for the relationship between an incantation and a spell, could it be that a majority of spells use incantations in order to cast the spell? I mean, I know that there are spells that don't require incantations or words to be spoken and can be cast by using a specific formula, like the one Professor Hadley used in Arithmancy class last term, but not everybody knows how to cast those. So most people use incantations to do theirs." Alyssa again hoped that her answer wasn't wrong.
"As for how incantations are chosen, Professor, could it be that people chose words that were short, easy to pronounce, something that hopefully rhymes, if possible, and most importantly of all, words that could be easily remembered and said. I mean if they were too long, complicated or hard to pronounce, people might end up getting them wrong, mispronouncing them or mixing up the words entirely and accidentally casting the wrong spell." Alyssa finished off her answers hoping that at least one of them was correct. After all the Professor had wanted them to think and THINK she definitely did before she came up with her answers.
She was looked at. Ellie could feel it if she hadn't seen it. And she spared a moment to glare Schirmer's way. Just a moment. Her gaze rested on the very interesting stones behind the board.
She didn't feel like glaring. She just wanted to learn and leave. That was the plan.
"Incantations are the words used to perform the spell. They're usually derived from Latin because....because..." Ellie felt like this was something that was discussed only too recently...either in this class or another, "because it was a common language amongst Wizards across countries." Or something. "And they usually state the purpose of the spell." Like lumos she was almost positive had something to do with light. Like...luminosity.
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"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
ooc: Firsties and new students! You'll find 'page 47 of Quintessence a Quest' in this post.
You don't have to and aren't expected to answer ALL the incantation-y questions, just what you think your character would know/want to answer. Just share what you know .
Harlow raised her hand, "Aren't many of the root words in incantations Latin. So the root would be the incantation and the the base would be the intent." She hoped that made sense. Or she hoped she was right.
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"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.[/INDENT] ooc: Firsties and new students! You'll find 'page 47 of Quintessence a Quest' in this post.
You don't have to and aren't expected to answer ALL the incantation-y questions, just what you think your character would know/want to answer. Just share what you know .
Carigan raised her hand again to answer a few questions. "Well and incantation is the words you say to cast a charm or spell. I know a lot of incantations have words with latin roots. for example I know there is a spell... or charm... or... well I'm not sure which it is but it's called "ventus" and that's latin for wind." Carigan said. Boythose latin lessons were now starting to pay off... she used to think the language was completely dead. "I'm pretty sure, too, that in an incantation you don't just say what you want to happen..."
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Raven raised her hand and answer
"Incantations are words that the caster needs in order to perform the spell, they usually have greek or latin roots. To perform a spell, we need to speak the incantation clearly "
Well, actually Professor Schirmer had told them last year.
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"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
Oakey poked his hand up just a bit Ma'am the relationship between an incatation and a spell is that the incantation must be spoken or thought of at least if it's cast non-verbally for the spell to work. Most spells are derived from the Latin language although there are some English incantations. Oakey was already the victim of a not so perfectly cast spell probably due to this very reason.
Messer quickly jotting down some notes into his notebook as neat as possible. Then the Professor mentioned to check more about wand movement in page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. Maybe he could ask Ellie after class but when his eyes went to the older Ravenclaw, he saw that Ellie was glaring the Professorthe board?
Then the eleven years old boy heard Professor Schirmer asking the next question. Incantation? Messer raised his hand "Incantation is a charm or spell created using words. Mostly the Latin words are used as incantations. Because Latin is old." and so does Magic. "And the word incantation also come from Latin." he said before lowering his hand.
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For someone his age, that was a TERRIBLE answer. Really. Though the wand part was a good point... apparently sometimes students did lack common sense after all.
"And why do you think it is compulsory until 5th year?" She asked, trying to encourage a bit more involvement.
Oh? Well, that was VERY easy Professor Schirmer, "Basics." As in...everything they ought to be taught is still classified as 'basics', anyway. That's why they had Universities after Hogwarts.
Also, 'basics', as in he'll basically try that Memory Charm on Sierra if she mentioned Gilderoy again. BUT...incantations? Really? She'd just pointed out what is was. The word used to invoke a specific spell. However, she did ask a few lot of other questions as well.
Hand raised, and whatever...er, no, the hand wasn't entirely raised, but his quill was. Almost all words have a Latin root, it was no surprise that 'incantation' also had one, as one student pointed it out before he did, "Even the word 'incantation' has a Latin origin, incantare, meaning 'into sing', 'to chant upon', or something of the like," but that wasn't all, Schirmer, wait for it, "So, the spell determines what we want the outcome to be, yet the incantation is the means to achieve it. Like the link, between the effect wanted and the spell itself. What gets everything going, so to speak." Much better, Charms Professor?
She tried not to choke at the question. Her mind was reeling. At least she had a good answer for the first question. That was always a start. Incantations... what did she learn about them last year? In fact what had her Uncle mentioned over the holidays? Raising her hand unsurely, she bit her lip. "Incantations are a word or words which enable us to cast spells. Most of them have a Latin base for them though may also have a Greek base which would stem from witchcraft in Ancient times when Latin and Greek were the languages spoken at the time, especially Latin because of the expanding Roman Empire. Therefore wouldn't the relationship between spells and the incantation itself be that the incantation along with the will to perform a certain task... cause it to happen, and therefore the spell is the product right?"
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Ellie had been scribbling down notes that she seemed fit from Schirmer and other worthy, knowledgeable students. Like Vashti. And Ellie Stone. And Treyen. Treyen had a really good point. "The spell determines what we want the outcome to be, yet the incantation is the means to achieve it." That was deep, Head Boy...
Her hand was cramping, so Ellie let it relax for a minute while she spoke up. "Incantations are the manner in which you achieve your spell. Like... you have to say the incantation for your spell to work." Unless you could do wandless magic, which was like waaaaaaay above her head and she didn't even know if it was entirely possible. "They usually come from the Latin language. For example; Expelliarmus. 'Expello' means to expel, or... drive away. 'Armus' is Latin for shoulder, or could just mean arms. So the intent is to expel whatever is in the opponent's arms. Which, in most cases, is their wand." Did that make sense? Maybe Ellie just read too many books.
"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
Tahnee, after jotting down a few notes, flipped open her book to page 47. She already had a vague idea of what incantations were, so she raised her hand. An incantation would be a word or string of words you say to, uh, essentially start a charm? And they would have to be words that aren't commonly used. she said, cautiously. She hoped she was right. But if she wasn't it was no big deal. It was her first class ever, after all.
That was a long list of questions. Taking a deep breath, Janice raised up her hand and answered.
"Incantation is a word or phrase that you say to, err, in order to have effect/s. Some wizards, though, can throw out spells without sayong the incantations, or even do it without a wand, more commonly known as non-verbal or wandless spells. Most incantations re Latin words, although some of them uses English like the 'Point Me!' spell. Incantations chosen are usually related to the spell they're trying to make, for example Aguamenti, Agua, Aqua, you know."
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Miss Gardiner was one of her best students. Althea had seen the OWL result the girl had achieved and not been surprised. Unlike her year and housemate, Ellie Stone, Stella Gardiner had actually put in the time and effort in her lessons the previous term and it had showed.
"I agree with that." She found it much better to not depend on magic herself. It was a tool like any other, but shouldn't be a crutch.
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"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
ooc: Firsties and new students! You'll find 'page 47 of Quintessence a Quest' in this post.
You don't have to and aren't expected to answer ALL the incantation-y questions, just what you think your character would know/want to answer. Just share what you know .
Stella couldn't help but feel better at the reaction her answer had gotten. It may not have been said, as Professor Schirmer had only agreed with her comment, but she'd sensed that the professor was proud of her. In her own way, and that meant something given what she'd usually observed. In any case, the moment was over, and she nodded slightly as the discussion moved on and people started answering the question about incantantions. That hadn't really gotten explained when ever yoen had been mentioning it as regards Charms. And she finally raised her hand once she'd decided on her answer.
"Incantations are an important part of any spell. Even in non-verbal spells, there is still actually an incantation involved. Just because it isn't said aloud doesn't mean it's not there. Like 'Levicorpus', and its counterspell. They are specifically non-verbal spells, but there is still the incantation involved, and the pronunciation, everything. Incantations in general usually involve an action, as well. A verb, a subject and verb. Translated into Latin, or some sort of amalgamation of languages, with the exception of a few known spells that work with a simple order in English, but it's still entailing what exactly the spell is supposed to do. Understanding that also helps in successfully casting any spell. Knowing what exactly it is you are trying to do, and directing the action by use of the incantation," she said, taking a breath once she'd finished. She hadn't really expected her answer to turn into a paragraph.
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"A point that many of you mentioned, that is very important and relevant is that a Transfiguration changes what something fundamentally is, while a Charm leaves the base object and gives it properties or changes its behaviour."
She added that first point to the board with a flick of her wand, the chalk writing as she spoke.
"Several of you mentioned the 'seven classifications of spells'. It isn't precisely wrong but neither is it a particularly useful or clean cut definition of spell types. You'll find different classifications depending on who wrote the textbook, and many of the classifications are arbitrary."
Sooo to the next main point.
"The three main components of a spell are wand movement, incantation and intent. This means you have to get the wand movement right, focus on what you are trying to do, and pronounce the incantation correctly, all of which feed into your focus and intent. The intent is the most important of the three because eventually some will be able to cast their spells non-verbally, or in some rare cases, wandlessly."
They could move on quickly from this intro stuff, she hoped.
"First years, you'll find more information about particular wand movement types on page 47 of Quintessence a Quest. You can revise this later with an older student if you need help understanding these, and I do suggest you practice with a buddy later."
Because she wasn't going over it in detail right now.
One more bit before they could move on to something a little more substantial.
"We're going to touch briefly on incantations. What is an incantation? What kinds of words are used as incantations? What kind of words are not used as incantations? What is the relationship between an incantation and a spell? How are incantations chosen? You can answer any of these questions, I'm trying to get you all thinking a bit. Just share what you know about incantations." Some of it she'd touched on the previous year after all, so it wasn't as if most of them wouldn't know something.
Tayla nodded as she listened and took down notes.
SPOILER!!: Tayla's Charms Notes
Charms Lesson 1
Charms - leaves alone the base object and gives its properties or changes behaviour
(unlike Transfiguration which changes what something fundamentally is)
*not necessarily seven types of spells (arbitrary)
3 main components of a spell:
Wand movement
Incantation
Intent - most important; some can cast spells without wand or words
Tayla looked up from her writing as Professor Schirmer asked more questions. She tried to recall everything she had learned about incantations.
Raising her hand, she replied, "Professor, an incantation is what we say to make a spell work. Most incantations are in Latin, but I think a few also come from Greek and English. And I guess...what's not used are, generally, other languages. Wizards and witches from all over the world use basically the same incantations. Tayla wanted to add more and decided to share a thought. She wasn't entirely sure of it, but it was something she had noticed about incantations. Professor, I also think that there are root words or base words involved in some incantations...so that by using them, you can perform spells that are similar but have different degrees of...power - or effect."
Tayla wanted to give an example, but thought it was better to wait for what Professor Schirmer had to say about it.
Gwen had given up writing everybody's answers down and was simply listening, trying to suck in as much information as possible through her ears. She felt rather dumb amongst all these smart (at least they sounded smart to her) replies people were giving, but reminded herself that they were older and had more experience. None of the other First Years could already know this stuff, could they?
Gwen raised her hand again, wanting to contribute to what everyone else was saying. It couldn't hurt. No one ever got told off for trying.
"Professor," she said very squeakily. Gwen cleared her throat and continued, louder this time. "Professor, don't incantations describe the actions or results of a spell? Like..." She tried to remember a spell her father often used, "Locomotor?"
Gwen hoped she hadn't just made a fool of herself.
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