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Upon entering the Divination classroom, it seems the decor has been changed back to the way it had been set up for the tasseomancy lesson the previous term, or at least similar. Instead of desks, there are quite a few small round wooden tables arranged around the classroom, still leaving room between to walk, even if the chairs are pulled out. Four chairs sit around each table, but other than that there is nothing much to show what the topic that is going to be discussed is. Even the bookshelves along the wall are covered by a drape of colorful fabric, which at least lends some excitement to the room, and is made even brighter by the sunlight streaming in from open windows.

The only curious thing in the room would probably be the crystal ball close by Professor Bishop's elbow, seemingly ignored by her as she is idly focused on the Tarot cards she has arranged on the table in front of her. Is that part of the lesson, or just decoration?


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"Water doesn't like oil because it's jealous of how pretty it is, and oil doesn't think water is good enough to mix with it, so when you put them together they fight and that fight produces symbols." Eino explained after raising his hand and been given permission to speak by the professor. At least that's what he had been told, but he was very sure that it was accurate. "The little bubbles," he continued "that are formed by the oil on top of the water are their watchtowers and the big ones are cannons." That he made up, but he hadn't even realized it. With that he smiled confidently at the Professor and lowered his hand, which had been up all the while he spoke but he had only just realized it as it began to cramp.
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As usual, however, it did seem that there were quite a few others who at least had tried to keep up on their reading, or at least had some sort of general knowledge about Divination. even if Renée was getting a multitude of different answers. Oddly enough, they were all correct in one way or another. “Yes, elaeomancy can be considered another form of hydromancy, or another name for it. Using water for Divinatory purposes. She had to smile a little at Eino’s attempt at pronunciation, as well. It was a difficult word to pronounce, after all. “And those of you who mentioned oil are correct as well, seeing as the most common version is using oil, usually olive oil, poured on another surface. Usually the surface of water, but it can also simply be done using a plate or some other surface.”

She veered away from the topic for a moment in order to answer Alex’s question, however. She didn’t want him to feel like he’d been ignored. “Have you ever tried to look past your reflection in something, Alex?,” she asked back, before continuing. “It’s similar to that, and it mostly just entails focus. Not getting distracted by your reflection, or setting the environment up so normal reflections are less likely. People who are skilled can scry just about anywhere, though.” And, at that, she returned to the class, trying to nudge the topic back to elaeomancy. She knew she had one possibility for managing that, as well.

“Selina made a good comparison, in saying elaeomancy is much like tasseomancy. Reading the designs or symbols that are made upon a certain action, whether it is draining a cup of tea or pouring oil onto the surface of a bowl of water,” she said then. A lot of the branches of Divination were interconnected anyhow. “Why do you think it is possible to have any symbols created, however vague they may be, by pouring oil onto water?” That was an entirely scientific question, but it was a valid one before they moved on to actually, possibly trying to see if they could do a reading or two. Understanding how things worked sometimes helped in understanding the magical properties, at least in her mind.
A scientific reason? She had never really thought about that before. And science was a weird spot for Selina being that she had grown up in the Magical World. Everything that happened had some kind of magical answer to Selina. Nothing was ever broken down further. But she raised her hand anyway, "Ma'am? I mean water tends to move wherever it spills. Does that have anything to do with it? And also in olive oil and vinegar it floats to the top, the oil. So maybe the water is denser than the oil and because the water moves the way it does the oil takes forms and shapes."
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“Selina made a good comparison, in saying elaeomancy is much like tasseomancy. Reading the designs or symbols that are made upon a certain action, whether it is draining a cup of tea or pouring oil onto the surface of a bowl of water,” she said then. A lot of the branches of Divination were interconnected anyhow. “Why do you think it is possible to have any symbols created, however vague they may be, by pouring oil onto water?” That was an entirely scientific question, but it was a valid one before they moved on to actually, possibly trying to see if they could do a reading or two. Understanding how things worked sometimes helped in understanding the magical properties, at least in her mind.
Symbols created by oil and water. Now that actually made sense.

Helena raised her hand quickly. "We can have symbols because oil and water will never mix. The oil will... float? On the water. Making symbols." Yup. That was pretty much it. So... were they going to do that? Instead of using crystal balls?
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Ahh, so they had to FOCUS. Well, Alex would clearly never try that form of Divination then. He'd be doomed. He'd be staring at himself like, all day. Anyways, onto her next question, something he KNEW he knew the answer to.

He raised his hand. "Professor, oil and water have two different densities, i think. Something like that. Anyways, oil and water don't mix together so instead when you try to pour them together they kind of just sit on top of each other and ooze around," he explained.
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Renée had expected all sorts of guesses when she’d asked the question about elaeomancy, but for some reason Janice’s surprised her a little. She smiled at the Hufflepuff girl anyway, wanting her not to feel like she’d said anything wrong. “Not quite, and some people probably wouldn’t consider elaeomancy scrying anyhow,” she replied gently. “It was a good guess though.” It really was, in one way or another. She wasn’t entirely sure where the idea had come from, but at least the girl was trying. That was always the first step to learning, especially with a subject as vague as Divination.

“Selina made a good comparison, in saying elaeomancy is much like tasseomancy. Reading the designs or symbols that are made upon a certain action, whether it is draining a cup of tea or pouring oil onto the surface of a bowl of water,” she said then. A lot of the branches of Divination were interconnected anyhow. “Why do you think it is possible to have any symbols created, however vague they may be, by pouring oil onto water?” That was an entirely scientific question, but it was a valid one before they moved on to actually, possibly trying to see if they could do a reading or two. Understanding how things worked sometimes helped in understanding the magical properties, at least in her mind.[/COLOR]
"Well, oil can't blend with water. When you stir it, it will make patterns and we could scry on it? Maybe?"
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Kurumi's hand shot up. "Because oil and water do not mix," she said in a rather matter of fact tone. "The molecules in water have strong bonds with each other, but also with hydrogen bonds. Oil molecules, on the other hand, do not bond with hydrogen." Kind of like putting a box of cookies in a room full of Slytherins. Slytherins would repel the box thinking it was something out to get them and therefore never 'bond' with the cookies.

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Simon had this song stuck in his head and without realising it was muttering it. "It's so easy to fall in love - it's so easy to fall in love. People tell me love is for fools, so here I go breaking all of the rules." When he realised he decided to hope that the Professor hadn't heard what he was muttering though she wouldn't know who he was on about.

Simon decided to answer the next question. "Because if you get oil and poor it into water and then set fire to it, you can see it for miles around and so you can make it into any shape you want." Simon sighed. "Though you really shouldn't do that because it will affect the animal that live in the water."
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"Water doesn't like oil because it's jealous of how pretty it is, and oil doesn't think water is good enough to mix with it, so when you put them together they fight and that fight produces symbols." Eino explained after raising his hand and been given permission to speak by the professor. At least that's what he had been told, but he was very sure that it was accurate. "The little bubbles," he continued "that are formed by the oil on top of the water are their watchtowers and the big ones are cannons." That he made up, but he hadn't even realized it. With that he smiled confidently at the Professor and lowered his hand, which had been up all the while he spoke but he had only just realized it as it began to cramp.
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A scientific reason? She had never really thought about that before. And science was a weird spot for Selina being that she had grown up in the Magical World. Everything that happened had some kind of magical answer to Selina. Nothing was ever broken down further. But she raised her hand anyway, "Ma'am? I mean water tends to move wherever it spills. Does that have anything to do with it? And also in olive oil and vinegar it floats to the top, the oil. So maybe the water is denser than the oil and because the water moves the way it does the oil takes forms and shapes."
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Ahh, so they had to FOCUS. Well, Alex would clearly never try that form of Divination then. He'd be doomed. He'd be staring at himself like, all day. Anyways, onto her next question, something he KNEW he knew the answer to.

He raised his hand. "Professor, oil and water have two different densities, i think. Something like that. Anyways, oil and water don't mix together so instead when you try to pour them together they kind of just sit on top of each other and ooze around," he explained.
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Renée wasn’t surprised that Kurumi’s hand had been one of the first to come up at the question, but she had been surprised that Simon had spoken up again. His answer concerned her, though, so she addressed that before going back to the others who had all been on basically the right track. “Simon, fire is not part of this form of Divination, and even if it was, I’d imagine the flames would float on top of the water and therefore not affect the creatures under its surface,” she said calmly, giving the Hufflepuff the slightest of raised eyebrows. That was definitely not something she had planned for any time soon, and not just because she’d already covered pyromancy last term and didn’t like repeating herself.

But then she turned to the others and gave them all a smile. Simon notwithstanding, they were making her feel proud that they were able to come up with answers. Even if Eino’s reasoning was rather amusing. She couldn’t say she’d ever heard it described in quite that way before. “Oil and water don’t mix,” she agreed. “The oil floats on the surface of the water, and then the motion of the pouring makes it move into random shapes that can be read.” It was fairly straightforward, although the question then remained if people thought it was in fact similar to previously discussed forms of symbol-reading in Divination. “Would you think that one could really compare the symbols seen in elaeomancy to those that could be found in tasseomancy?,” she went on to ask. Obviously oil would create looser symbols than tea leaves might, but indirectly it was all still similar. And she wanted to know their thoughts before she set out to let them try a bit of the former anyway.
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But then she turned to the others and gave them all a smile. Simon notwithstanding, they were making her feel proud that they were able to come up with answers. Even if Eino’s reasoning was rather amusing. She couldn’t say she’d ever heard it described in quite that way before. “Oil and water don’t mix,” she agreed. “The oil floats on the surface of the water, and then the motion of the pouring makes it move into random shapes that can be read.” It was fairly straightforward, although the question then remained if people thought it was in fact similar to previously discussed forms of symbol-reading in Divination. “Would you think that one could really compare the symbols seen in elaeomancy to those that could be found in tasseomancy?,” she went on to ask. Obviously oil would create looser symbols than tea leaves might, but indirectly it was all still similar. And she wanted to know their thoughts before she set out to let them try a bit of the former anyway.[/COLOR]
Mhhh would she think that oil could comparte the tea leaves?Tipping her index finger against her chin,the blonde thought about that question."Well professor",she started,"i sure think that both types can be compared.The oil symbols probably will be a little blurrier and maybe harder to read but in the end it would be the same.If you know what you're doing and how to tea leaves and oil symbols will work."At least that was what she thought.
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Kurumi thought for a moment about the actual application of tasseomancy that they had performed in class last term. It required that one drink the contents of their cup to, in a sense, put a bit of themselves into the reading. You couldn't really drink oil. At least, Kurumi had always been advised not to. "Professor Bishop," Kurumi said raising her hand. "For Tasseomancy readings, it is required that the one seeking the reading drink from their cup. In a sense, this makes that reading a little more personal and specific for the person since they are taking a more active part in the reading and...leaving a bit of them in the tea leaves." Even if it was just little bits of salvia. "In Elaeomancy, I don't imagine you drink the oil that is then put onto the water, so could you say that this form of reading is a little less personal? Perhaps provide a more general overview?"

That made some sense, didn't it?
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She raised her hand, deciding to give answering a go. "Oil and water can not form any bonds, because they are practically oppposite and they have such different densities. Because oil is so light is floats on top, but sort of seperate and dances in the water, sometimes producing images. For example, oil paints. If they are mixed with water they adopt a marble like pattern, due to the different densities. To watch something rather than drink it is much less personal, really because when you drink something it goes inside you, sort of becomes you. Almost like occlumency nearly..." She opened her rant made any sense, but at least muggle school helped with understanding oil and stuff.
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Simon smiled at the Professor, well he was trying, but Divination was his worse subject and if it wasn't for Professor Bishop he wouldn't bother turning up at all, Simon decided to have a go with this question. "Well if I remember rightly tasseomancy uses cups, so I think yes I can because they are alike." Simon said then he looked shocked, he felt like fainting, where had that answer come from.
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Renée wasn’t surprised that Kurumi’s hand had been one of the first to come up at the question, but she had been surprised that Simon had spoken up again. His answer concerned her, though, so she addressed that before going back to the others who had all been on basically the right track. “Simon, fire is not part of this form of Divination, and even if it was, I’d imagine the flames would float on top of the water and therefore not affect the creatures under its surface,” she said calmly, giving the Hufflepuff the slightest of raised eyebrows. That was definitely not something she had planned for any time soon, and not just because she’d already covered pyromancy last term and didn’t like repeating herself.

But then she turned to the others and gave them all a smile. Simon notwithstanding, they were making her feel proud that they were able to come up with answers. Even if Eino’s reasoning was rather amusing. She couldn’t say she’d ever heard it described in quite that way before. “Oil and water don’t mix,” she agreed. “The oil floats on the surface of the water, and then the motion of the pouring makes it move into random shapes that can be read.” It was fairly straightforward, although the question then remained if people thought it was in fact similar to previously discussed forms of symbol-reading in Divination. “Would you think that one could really compare the symbols seen in elaeomancy to those that could be found in tasseomancy?,” she went on to ask. Obviously oil would create looser symbols than tea leaves might, but indirectly it was all still similar. And she wanted to know their thoughts before she set out to let them try a bit of the former anyway.
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"Maybe?" she said questioningly as she raised her hand. "Well, they are both used for Divination, so probably those symbols have some relevance and relation to one another. Maybe they're kind of the same in some way." Zara said, biting her lip a little. She wasn't sure.
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Renée wasn’t surprised that Kurumi’s hand had been one of the first to come up at the question, but she had been surprised that Simon had spoken up again. His answer concerned her, though, so she addressed that before going back to the others who had all been on basically the right track. “Simon, fire is not part of this form of Divination, and even if it was, I’d imagine the flames would float on top of the water and therefore not affect the creatures under its surface,” she said calmly, giving the Hufflepuff the slightest of raised eyebrows. That was definitely not something she had planned for any time soon, and not just because she’d already covered pyromancy last term and didn’t like repeating herself.

But then she turned to the others and gave them all a smile. Simon notwithstanding, they were making her feel proud that they were able to come up with answers. Even if Eino’s reasoning was rather amusing. She couldn’t say she’d ever heard it described in quite that way before. “Oil and water don’t mix,” she agreed. “The oil floats on the surface of the water, and then the motion of the pouring makes it move into random shapes that can be read.” It was fairly straightforward, although the question then remained if people thought it was in fact similar to previously discussed forms of symbol-reading in Divination. “Would you think that one could really compare the symbols seen in elaeomancy to those that could be found in tasseomancy?,” she went on to ask. Obviously oil would create looser symbols than tea leaves might, but indirectly it was all still similar. And she wanted to know their thoughts before she set out to let them try a bit of the former anyway.
Selina shot this kid Simon a look, he was rather odd and startling with all of his questions. Besides she had never seen him before so her threw her for an even bigger loop.

She shook her head clear of her curiosity and answered Bishop's question, "Well they are both created in the consistency of a liquid so the symbols will all have a similar manner of forming. They are both somewhat human manipulated. For tasseomancy it depends on how much the person drinks of their tea before they deem it empty. Some drink more than others and so the different views bring on different results. The same for the pouring of the oil. Some may pour more than others and some may pour differently than others. It is all relative."
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“Selina made a good comparison, in saying elaeomancy is much like tasseomancy. Reading the designs or symbols that are made upon a certain action, whether it is draining a cup of tea or pouring oil onto the surface of a bowl of water,” she said then. A lot of the branches of Divination were interconnected anyhow. “Why do you think it is possible to have any symbols created, however vague they may be, by pouring oil onto water?” That was an entirely scientific question, but it was a valid one before they moved on to actually, possibly trying to see if they could do a reading or two. Understanding how things worked sometimes helped in understanding the magical properties, at least in her mind.

Under normal conditions, as we know, oil and water don't mix.
Different in shape and structure of molecules "just don't like" each other. There are terms such as loving water or oil, fear of water and oil, respectively. So how much do mix oil with water like making friends, creating a stable emulsion, - they cannot always be the flake.

They become mixed in this situation are by emulsifiers. The molecules of these substances have a "lovely" chemical structure.

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She couldn’t say she’d ever heard it described in quite that way before. “Oil and water don’t mix,” she agreed. “The oil floats on the surface of the water, and then the motion of the pouring makes it move into random shapes that can be read.” It was fairly straightforward, although the question then remained if people thought it was in fact similar to previously discussed forms of symbol-reading in Divination.

“Would you think that one could really compare the symbols seen in elaeomancy to those that could be found in tasseomancy?,” she went on to ask. Obviously oil would create looser symbols than tea leaves might, but indirectly it was all still similar. And she wanted to know their thoughts before she set out to let them try a bit of the former anyway.


Penny was lost in thought, she was trying to imagine both forms and their outcomes... "Professor, I think that both forms can be compared... the water & oil may be of less clarity, with the reading of the signs being more subjective.... while tea leaves would be more defined with clearer symbols & signs"...


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Kyle pondered the idea of the elaeomancy and tasseomancy symbols being similar for a moment, she ran a hand through her hair. Squirmed out of nervousness, and then decied to speak.

"Well, Professor you could say that there are loads of similarities betweent he symbols even though the ones in Elaeomancy are less formed and move around more because they are liquid compared to the leaves you read in tasseomancy." She paused taking a breath of air trying to calm her nerves from earlier still they were much calmer now much much calmer. "You could always say because most tea leaves have natural oils in them that it would be related in that respect"

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"Really?" Asked Beth, surprised. That was random, unless he was a mind reader or something. Or maybe she had just made it super obvious. "I would love that..." She admitted. She blushed when he called her smart and that he liked her being in their group. "No I'm not..." She said sadly, referring to when he called her smart. "Not really, not about this sort of thing. To be honest I haven't a clue about elaeomency or tasseomancy or anything like that." She sighed. "You're smarter, I don't know how I got in to Ravenclaw."

She raised her hand, deciding to give answering a go. "Oil and water can not form any bonds, because they are practically oppposite and they have such different densities. Because oil is so light is floats on top, but sort of seperate and dances in the water, sometimes producing images. For example, oil paints. If they are mixed with water they adopt a marble like pattern, due to the different densities. To watch something rather than drink it is much less personal, really because when you drink something it goes inside you, sort of becomes you. Almost like occlumency nearly..." She opened her rant made any sense, but at least muggle school helped with understanding oil and stuff.
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But then she turned to the others and gave them all a smile. Simon notwithstanding, they were making her feel proud that they were able to come up with answers. Even if Eino’s reasoning was rather amusing. She couldn’t say she’d ever heard it described in quite that way before. “Oil and water don’t mix,” she agreed. “The oil floats on the surface of the water, and then the motion of the pouring makes it move into random shapes that can be read.” It was fairly straightforward, although the question then remained if people thought it was in fact similar to previously discussed forms of symbol-reading in Divination. “Would you think that one could really compare the symbols seen in elaeomancy to those that could be found in tasseomancy?,” she went on to ask. Obviously oil would create looser symbols than tea leaves might, but indirectly it was all still similar. And she wanted to know their thoughts before she set out to let them try a bit of the former anyway.
El... eleo.... oilio... o-eyo-eh, o-eyoeh.... whatever that was-- oil reading in water... this could get mighty interesting-- and mighty slippery.

Salander leaned back, daydreaming about oil and water and other unprintables when the Professor's question shook him out of his mind trip "Well... yeahhh sure, oil forms different shapes just as tea leaves do, and its up to the person to uh.... tease a reading out of it." Hmm... maybe it would've been better if the fool just kept to his paradise....
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Savannah shrugged. Who knows? "Umm...I'm not sure..." Dumb. Dumb. Dumb. "They could be similar...they're both used by decoding shapes right?" Elaeomancy? What kind of work is that? Heehee. "I guess tea-leaves would be more accurate? I...I can't really tell shapes in the water that well."
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But then she turned to the others and gave them all a smile. Simon notwithstanding, they were making her feel proud that they were able to come up with answers. Even if Eino’s reasoning was rather amusing. She couldn’t say she’d ever heard it described in quite that way before. “Oil and water don’t mix,” she agreed. “The oil floats on the surface of the water, and then the motion of the pouring makes it move into random shapes that can be read.” It was fairly straightforward, although the question then remained if people thought it was in fact similar to previously discussed forms of symbol-reading in Divination. “Would you think that one could really compare the symbols seen in elaeomancy to those that could be found in tasseomancy?,” she went on to ask. Obviously oil would create looser symbols than tea leaves might, but indirectly it was all still similar. And she wanted to know their thoughts before she set out to let them try a bit of the former anyway.
Tayla raised her hand. "I think you can compare the symbols from both forms of Divination, but Tasseomancy provides clearer ones, seeing as you read not the water that made up the drink, but the tea leaves or coffee grounds left after it's been drunk.

In Elaeomancy, however...you try to read the patterns on the liquid surface of the oil. The patterns can change more easily than the solid residue in Tasseomancy. And the symbols on the surface of the oil...well, they're simply harder to make out."


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Kurumi thought for a moment about the actual application of tasseomancy that they had performed in class last term. It required that one drink the contents of their cup to, in a sense, put a bit of themselves into the reading. You couldn't really drink oil. At least, Kurumi had always been advised not to. "Professor Bishop," Kurumi said raising her hand. "For Tasseomancy readings, it is required that the one seeking the reading drink from their cup. In a sense, this makes that reading a little more personal and specific for the person since they are taking a more active part in the reading and...leaving a bit of them in the tea leaves." Even if it was just little bits of salvia. "In Elaeomancy, I don't imagine you drink the oil that is then put onto the water, so could you say that this form of reading is a little less personal? Perhaps provide a more general overview?"

That made some sense, didn't it?
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"Yeah, me too." Agreed Beth, her cheeks turning from a faint pink to a deep burgundy, screaming against her pale skin. "Oh please. What age are you, eleven? I'm thirteen and you are obviously smarter." She said firmly.
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Helena sat with her head propped in her palms, her both elbows on the desk. But... despite the fact that she might look bored, she actually didn't. Her head just felt... heavy.

But anyway. They had to compare scrying and elaeomancy? She raised her hand. "I suppose it is a bit more difficult to read the symbols made of oil. Because it's... liquid." And it could... move. Easily. "Tea leaf reading is definitely easier," the girl concluded. Yup. At least for her, but... any kind of Divination was difficult for her. She was pretty much hopeless at this subject.
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Helena sat with her head propped in her palms, her both elbows on the desk. But... despite the fact that she might look bored, she actually didn't. Her head just felt... heavy.

But anyway. They had to compare scrying and elaeomancy? She raised her hand. "I suppose it is a bit more difficult to read the symbols made of oil. Because it's... liquid." And it could... move. Easily. "Tea leaf reading is definitely easier," the girl concluded. Yup. At least for her, but... any kind of Divination was difficult for her. She was pretty much hopeless at this subject.
Anasta has relation to simbols as to correctly sort of Tarot, you might understand them as good as the symbols of oil, even thoroughly, if you know each ''card'' from the ''deck'': what means something,
plus a combination have been gyving different results.
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Samira was lost at this point, as she alway inevitably became when in Divination. Why couldn't she just understand the subject?! Argh! Tasseomancy? Elaeomancy? Whaaaa'? Samira never thought about oil on water being used to see the future. She raised her hand, slightly uncertain. "Ma'am? Wouldn't tasseomancy be more effective for seeing the future since there's actually a process?" Did that make sense? "I mean, if you're just pouring oil on water, would it have the same effect as looking at tea-leaves?"
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