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Upon entering the Divination classroom, it seems the decor has been changed back to the way it had been set up for the tasseomancy lesson the previous term, or at least similar. Instead of desks, there are quite a few small round wooden tables arranged around the classroom, still leaving room between to walk, even if the chairs are pulled out. Four chairs sit around each table, but other than that there is nothing much to show what the topic that is going to be discussed is. Even the bookshelves along the wall are covered by a drape of colorful fabric, which at least lends some excitement to the room, and is made even brighter by the sunlight streaming in from open windows.
The only curious thing in the room would probably be the crystal ball close by Professor Bishop's elbow, seemingly ignored by her as she is idly focused on the Tarot cards she has arranged on the table in front of her. Is that part of the lesson, or just decoration?
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"I suppose you are right," Helena said, giving Feenella a smile. Well... yes. Water could... move? Or something like that, and crystal was clear and everything, but... maybe not the only clear one. "Mirrors are really clear too," she pointed out. "I just hope we are not going to use mirrors today," she added, whispering.
Someone... appearing next to her in a mirror? Uhhh NO! "I would have a heart attack, most probably," the girl grinned. She was such a coward. A proud one, apparently. And... what was she talking about? Muggle... horror movies? "I've never seen one of those," she said thoughtfully. But she probably didn't even want to try one.
Mirrors, were dclear too.That was rigt.Oh please dont let us use mirrors to scrype.That would be bad,seriously.The blonde would probably run out of the room screamd.How embarrassing."Yes,yes",she whispered back,"lets stick to crystal balls."They were all nice and innocent.Yes,yes.
Having a heart attack when seeing soeone next to you in the mirror that wasnt there sounded VERY possible."Gahhh,yes and i dotn want to die this young",the blonde chuckled a little,"but i cant avoid mirrors either."Seriously,the Slytherin had to check her look out all the time.Helena had never seen a muggle horror movie?Lucky one."You really should never watch one of those",the blonde nodded,"its terrible."
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It had seemed like everyone had gotten into the idea of having their own little discussions about scrying, although Renée had noticed in a few situations it had delved more into Divination as a whole. She hadn't necessarily specified, but they needed to get back on track. So, back to scrying, and then she could move things along to the other topic she had planned. Standing back up from her seat at her table, where she'd momentarily gone back to thinking about things as she knew she wouldn't be able to listen to the discussions while trying to focus on her readings, she stepped forward with another smile.
"Okay, I think you've all gotten some sort of handle on the topic of discussion. I heard a few interesting ideas, but does anyone want to offer their group's thoughts before we move things along?," she said. Obviously she wasn't going to expect them to try and actually scry, even if she had enough crystal balls for them all. There were other things she could have them explore, but they needed to work their way to that topic. She wasn't going to just change the subject abruptly.
Offer their groups thoughts?Uhhh,Fee wasnt so sure if they really should so she stayed silent.Actually Helena and her had just discussed about crystal balls and mirrors,the blonde wasnt sure if that was waht the professor wanted to hear.She would just listen to the others expressing their ideas and would decide then. Goood,idea.
Penny looked up when Profesor Bishop had spoken and then back at her team..."I can bring it up if you want.."
Then looking down at the parchment again..checking everything...
Team name - check
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Badgers & Lions
List of team - check
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Penny Laughgood == Hufflepuff
Janice Elizabeth == Hufflepuff
Amy Samson == Hufflepuff
Rebecca Hammer == Hufflepuff
Viola Cartly == Hufflepuff
Rose Potter == Gryffindor
Jordan Kobe == Gryffindor
List of Ideas - check
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1.....Scrying with a map & crystal == would only give position of something (not the future, past or present)
2.....Using Astrology == charting past & present movements of planets & moons 'could' give indication of future
3.....Using Horoscope charts == Seeing into the future using star signs & their meanings
4.....Smoke == Not sure how this works (maybe visions of future?)
5.....burnt firewoods/Embers == divining the future by examining the burnt marks and shapes the flames make (?)
6.....Mirrors (steamed) == Seeing past lives or future events (?)
7.....Smooth Rocks == Used like a crystal ball (?), to read past, present & future
8.....Water (dark bowl) == Present and future reflections (?)
9.....Tea Leaves == predictions may be made from the shapes the dregs make
10....Dreams == Dream scrying is followed mainly by the Egyptians to foresee the future
Penny nervously rose from her seat and made her way up to the Professor... "Ahem, Professor here is the list of ideas from my group - We're called 'Badgers & Lions'.."
Leaving the parchment on her desk, making her way back to the table, blushing a little....
Rose agreed that Penny should bring up the parchment, seeing as this little group had been her idea....
Smiling a little at the way Penny blushed when she was nervous, watched her came back to the table and sitting down...
"So, did Professor Bishop say anything when you gave her the parchment?", Rose asked Penny...
Rose was hoping they had done it ok, after all even though she came from a magical background, she, Rose, didn't know very much either... Having never been allowed to use magic at home...
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Mirrors, were dclear too.That was rigt.Oh please dont let us use mirrors to scrype.That would be bad,seriously.The blonde would probably run out of the room screamd.How embarrassing."Yes,yes",she whispered back,"lets stick to crystal balls."They were all nice and innocent.Yes,yes.
Having a heart attack when seeing soeone next to you in the mirror that wasnt there sounded VERY possible."Gahhh,yes and i dotn want to die this young",the blonde chuckled a little,"but i cant avoid mirrors either."Seriously,the Slytherin had to check her look out all the time.Helena had never seen a muggle horror movie?Lucky one."You really should never watch one of those",the blonde nodded,"its terrible."
"Crystal balls," Helena repeated, nodding in agreement. No chatter about mirrors used for scrying. Nope. Because they were totally creepy. Maybe they should write this down... ? It was true, after all. But probably not the best idea.
"If you say so," the girl said, after Feenella told her about the muggle horror... whatever-they-were. But as she wanted to say something else, she heard professor Bishop's voice.
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"Okay, I think you've all gotten some sort of handle on the topic of discussion. I heard a few interesting ideas, but does anyone want to offer their group's thoughts before we move things along?," she said. Obviously she wasn't going to expect them to try and actually scry, even if she had enough crystal balls for them all. There were other things she could have them explore, but they needed to work their way to that topic. She wasn't going to just change the subject abruptly.
Offer... the group's thoughts?
Uhh... Well... The two Slytherin girls have concluded that mirrors should not be used for scrying by someone who doesn't want to risk having a heart attack. Should they share that? Maybe not. Feenella was silent, and so was Helena. They had been discussing about scrying for the past few minutes, but they didn't quite... discuss something they could share with the rest of the class.
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Samira drummed her nails on the table thoughtfully. "Actually, that's a really good point! That makes sense. So if you're using something valuable to scry, you see a vision with more value. Yeah." She just repeated what Nika just said, but she was still processing it in her mind. She turned to Ariana. "Are you getting this?"
Nika nodded happily. YAY! A good point. Finally they were appreciating her smartness. She beamed at Samira and then looked over at Ariana once more before hearing Professor Bishop speak up again.
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It had seemed like everyone had gotten into the idea of having their own little discussions about scrying, although Renée had noticed in a few situations it had delved more into Divination as a whole. She hadn't necessarily specified, but they needed to get back on track. So, back to scrying, and then she could move things along to the other topic she had planned. Standing back up from her seat at her table, where she'd momentarily gone back to thinking about things as she knew she wouldn't be able to listen to the discussions while trying to focus on her readings, she stepped forward with another smile.
"Okay, I think you've all gotten some sort of handle on the topic of discussion. I heard a few interesting ideas, but does anyone want to offer their group's thoughts before we move things along?," she said. Obviously she wasn't going to expect them to try and actually scry, even if she had enough crystal balls for them all. There were other things she could have them explore, but they needed to work their way to that topic. She wasn't going to just change the subject abruptly.
Nika raised her hand and waved it in the air. She liked divination therefore she planned to speak up in the class. "Professor we were just talking about maybe the visions you get from scrying. We were thinking that your visions might be different depending on what you use." She said pretty much repeating her groups most recent conversation. "Like if you were using a jewel you might have a vision about something valuable or something?" She wasn't quite sure if her group was right or not, but she thought she'd bring it up anyways.
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" No, I may not be right" Willaim told Beth. " I am just playing Devil's advocate" William said to Beth. ' I just wanted a conversation amongst all three of us" William explained to Beth. " Thnking about a good friend, but not sure if she is still a friend because I thought she would be part of our group here or my partner in other classes" William sighed.
"Oh..." Said Beth, slowly and quietly. She understood he wanted to be with his friend but it just made her feel a little put down. For a moment there she thought she was getting a friend but she was just a substitute really. She wasn't annoyed at all, she completely understood. If she had made a friend yet, which she hadn't, she would have been fairly jazzed off if he or she abandoned her." I understand." She said. Well, sort of.
It had seemed like everyone had gotten into the idea of having their own little discussions about scrying, although Renée had noticed in a few situations it had delved more into Divination as a whole. She hadn't necessarily specified, but they needed to get back on track. So, back to scrying, and then she could move things along to the other topic she had planned. Standing back up from her seat at her table, where she'd momentarily gone back to thinking about things as she knew she wouldn't be able to listen to the discussions while trying to focus on her readings, she stepped forward with another smile.
"Okay, I think you've all gotten some sort of handle on the topic of discussion. I heard a few interesting ideas, but does anyone want to offer their group's thoughts before we move things along?," she said. Obviously she wasn't going to expect them to try and actually scry, even if she had enough crystal balls for them all. There were other things she could have them explore, but they needed to work their way to that topic. She wasn't going to just change the subject abruptly.
"Professor which team do you think would win?" Simon asked, "I team full or people who can do Scying, whatever that is suppost to be or a team full or people who can see the future?" Simon hadn't any idea what he had been discussion so just made something up.
"Oh..." Said Beth, slowly and quietly. She understood he wanted to be with his friend but it just made her feel a little put down. For a moment there she thought she was getting a friend but she was just a substitute really. She wasn't annoyed at all, she completely understood. If she had made a friend yet, which she hadn't, she would have been fairly jazzed off if he or she abandoned her." I understand." She said. Well, sort of.
" You know, I would love to have another friend" William told Beth "Would you be my friend?" William asked Beth.. " You are very smart' William said to Beth.
" How about you tell the professor what we have been discussing about scrying?' Willaim asked Beth. " I enjoy having yo uas part of our group" William smiled.
Samira drummed her nails on the table thoughtfully. "Actually, that's a really good point! That makes sense. So if you're using something valuable to scry, you see a vision with more value. Yeah." She just repeated what Nika just said, but she was still processing it in her mind. She turned to Ariana. "Are you getting this?"
"Yeah, I got it," Ariana said, frantically scribbling. "That's a really good point, Nika, I hadn't thought of that!" And of course, coming up with something Ariana hadn't thought of was a huge achievment. At least, in her eyes.
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"Okay, I think you've all gotten some sort of handle on the topic of discussion. I heard a few interesting ideas, but does anyone want to offer their group's thoughts before we move things along?," she said. Obviously she wasn't going to expect them to try and actually scry, even if she had enough crystal balls for them all. There were other things she could have them explore, but they needed to work their way to that topic. She wasn't going to just change the subject abruptly.
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Nika raised her hand and waved it in the air. She liked divination therefore she planned to speak up in the class. "Professor we were just talking about maybe the visions you get from scrying. We were thinking that your visions might be different depending on what you use." She said pretty much repeating her groups most recent conversation. "Like if you were using a jewel you might have a vision about something valuable or something?" She wasn't quite sure if her group was right or not, but she thought she'd bring it up anyways.
Ariana nodded with what Nika said, then raised her hand and added her own ideas. "We also said that maybe if you used jewelry for scrying, your visions would apply to the person who owned or wore that jewelry, and also that the visions might be triggered by being in a place that something had or will happen." She looked over her notes as she said this, trying to incorporate most of what was there.
Penny looked up when Profesor Bishop had spoken and then back at her team..."I can bring it up if you want.."
Then looking down at the parchment again..checking everything...
Team name - check
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Badgers & Lions
List of team - check
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Penny Laughgood == Hufflepuff
Janice Elizabeth == Hufflepuff
Amy Samson == Hufflepuff
Rebecca Hammer == Hufflepuff
Viola Cartly == Hufflepuff
Rose Potter == Gryffindor
Jordan Kobe == Gryffindor
List of Ideas - check
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1.....Scrying with a map & crystal == would only give position of something (not the future, past or present)
2.....Using Astrology == charting past & present movements of planets & moons 'could' give indication of future
3.....Using Horoscope charts == Seeing into the future using star signs & their meanings
4.....Smoke == Not sure how this works (maybe visions of future?)
5.....burnt firewoods/Embers == divining the future by examining the burnt marks and shapes the flames make (?)
6.....Mirrors (steamed) == Seeing past lives or future events (?)
7.....Smooth Rocks == Used like a crystal ball (?), to read past, present & future
8.....Water (dark bowl) == Present and future reflections (?)
9.....Tea Leaves == predictions may be made from the shapes the dregs make
10....Dreams == Dream scrying is followed mainly by the Egyptians to foresee the future
Penny nervously rose from her seat and made her way up to the Professor... "Ahem, Professor here is the list of ideas from my group - We're called 'Badgers & Lions'.."
Leaving the parchment on her desk, making her way back to the table, blushing a little....
"Hey, what did she said to you?" Janice asked her.
"Was it all correct?"
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Zara looked at her groupmates and approached the professor. "Are we supposed to show our notes to you, professor? If so, here they are," she smiled and held her parchment in front of the professor.
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Danielle Zara Griffiths
First Year – Gryffindor Lesson One - Reflection
Crystal Balls Purposes
~ can be used in scrying
~ gives the diviner images of the future
~ used by Professor Trelawney as weapons (Battle of Hogwarts)
~ made from beryllium aluminum silicate (beryl)
~ new ones made of rock crystal or quartz
~ used in crystallomancy (branch of scrying)
Scrying ~ method of using reflections and images to have insight to past, present, future
Possible Stuff Used in Scrying
~ mirrors
~ water (bowl of water; glass of water; etc)
~ ink, blood, other dark liquids
~ anything w/ reflective surface
~ fire? smoke?
~ other crystals
~ metal spoon
~ clouds
Pyromancy ~ form of scrying using flames and smoke
Discussion
~ whatever medium used must be clear to avoid distraction and error in reading
~ have the crystal be free of imperfections
~ often, people use quartz not rose quartz for crystallomancy
~ have dark velvet/any dark cloth under the crystal & dim lighting (for a less distracting atmosphere=to see what mind’s eye is showing you)
Possibility of scrying to interpret dreams=is it possible?
~ in Egypt – believed you could scry into dreams
~ oil lamp – old one with wick that falls into glass bulb filled with oil
~ need strip of linen and quil/pen and ink ten write name of god you want to scry on linen
~ don’t use wick with the lamp – twist the linen into wick and insert it in lamp
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~ place lamp on bedside table; use the same ink and draw image of god you want to communicate with on your left palm
~ then light lamp; kneel and say (as you concentrate on image at palm)
“Thoth (god’s name) I invoke, blessed power of dreams divine,
Angel of future fates, swift wings are thine,
Great source of oracles to human kind,
When stealing soft, and whispering to the mind,
Through sleep’s sweet silence and the gloom of night,
Thy power awake the sight,
To silent souls the will of heaven relates,
And silently reveals their future fates”
~ after invocation, concentrate on question and wrap hands around another black linen (4 inches wide by 30 inches long)
~ black linen (black eye of Isis, the Magic of Isis, or Black Isis)
~ blow out flame and clear mind then sleep
~ not supposed to eat for 4 hours before the ordeal=won’t work
Scrying Using a Mirror
~ stay in a dark room and stand in front of a mirror or sit and use a hand mirror
~ relax and say prayer for spiritual enlightenment
~ hold flashlight or candle below face and look in the mirror and “unfocus” eyes
~ visualize light coming from us into mirror
~ soon you see your face become fluid in the reflection and might even seem unfamiliar
~ when you look to the side of the mirror, you see your spirit guide
~ pay attention to the insight offered by these images and allow them to share knowledge with you
~ once you see these clearly, they’d stay in your mind and become much clearer
~ ask yourself some questions in mind and keep open mind to solutions given during sessions
~ keep track of images you see during these scrying sessions and a full story would unfold to you
~ when this happens, you will reflect back and realize spiritual teaching of future events from scrying
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Penny looked up when Profesor Bishop had spoken and then back at her team..."I can bring it up if you want.."
Then looking down at the parchment again..checking everything...
Team name - check
Text Cut: Team Name
Badgers & Lions
List of team - check
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Penny Laughgood == Hufflepuff
Janice Elizabeth == Hufflepuff
Amy Samson == Hufflepuff
Rebecca Hammer == Hufflepuff
Viola Cartly == Hufflepuff
Rose Potter == Gryffindor
Jordan Kobe == Gryffindor
List of Ideas - check
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1.....Scrying with a map & crystal == would only give position of something (not the future, past or present)
2.....Using Astrology == charting past & present movements of planets & moons 'could' give indication of future
3.....Using Horoscope charts == Seeing into the future using star signs & their meanings
4.....Smoke == Not sure how this works (maybe visions of future?)
5.....burnt firewoods/Embers == divining the future by examining the burnt marks and shapes the flames make (?)
6.....Mirrors (steamed) == Seeing past lives or future events (?)
7.....Smooth Rocks == Used like a crystal ball (?), to read past, present & future
8.....Water (dark bowl) == Present and future reflections (?)
9.....Tea Leaves == predictions may be made from the shapes the dregs make
10....Dreams == Dream scrying is followed mainly by the Egyptians to foresee the future
Penny nervously rose from her seat and made her way up to the Professor... "Ahem, Professor here is the list of ideas from my group - We're called 'Badgers & Lions'.."
Leaving the parchment on her desk, making her way back to the table, blushing a little....
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Nika raised her hand and waved it in the air. She liked divination therefore she planned to speak up in the class. "Professor we were just talking about maybe the visions you get from scrying. We were thinking that your visions might be different depending on what you use." She said pretty much repeating her groups most recent conversation. "Like if you were using a jewel you might have a vision about something valuable or something?" She wasn't quite sure if her group was right or not, but she thought she'd bring it up anyways.
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[b]Ariana nodded with what Nika said, then raised her hand and added her own ideas. "We also said that maybe if you used jewelry for scrying, your visions would apply to the person who owned or wore that jewelry, and also that the visions might be triggered by being in a place that something had or will happen." She looked over her notes as she said this, trying to incorporate most of what was there.
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"Professor which team do you think would win?" Simon asked, "I team full or people who can do Scying, whatever that is suppost to be or a team full or people who can see the future?" Simon hadn't any idea what he had been discussion so just made something up.
As she waited for someone to speak up, it seemed Renée was meant to be surprised. She hadn’t really expected anyone to have taken that many notes, that they’d have something to give to her. Especially not the two that had come up to give her such, and she smiled at Penny and Zara. “Thank you,” she said to them, glancing over the notes to see where they might have crossed over, idea-wise. Seemed there were multiple points of discussion there, but that only told her they all had paid attention. “I’d like to argue that crystal balls and the like don’t have to actually be flawless. Scientific opinion states that the ‘images’ one might see are related to reading any flaws after all. And I can tell you as well that we won’t be discussing Egyptian dream-scrying in much detail today either,” she pointed out delicately. “But both your groups seem to have been really thinking about things. All of you were,” she continued, addressing the rest of the class as she finished her statement. She’d been listening after all.
As she then saw Nika energetically waving her hand around, she silently acknowledged the Gryffindor, along with the Ariana as the Ravenclaw’s hand was raised as well, then listened to their contribution. “Mmm, an interesting idea. I can’t say popular belief agrees, as most people believe it’s the scryer as opposed to the tool that determines the focus of the vision, but it’s something to look into,” she mused aloud, replying to them, before smiling a little at Ariana’s statement. “That, actually, is more along the idea of the psychic ability of telemetry. Getting visions relating to the owner upon touching an item. Not exactly divination, in the strictest sense,” she corrected gently. It was an interesting parallel, however. And when Simon decided to speak up yet again, she turned to the Hufflepuff boy with a smile, knowing there was no way she could predict what he might come up with. Beyond using her other abilities.
“Simon, I’d have to say both. Or neither, depending on your outlook. People who use scrying essentially could be considered exactly the same as those who can see the future. Although it could be argued scrying could access the past as well,” she replied, glancing at Selina again for a brief moment. Part of her had a feeling that Simon wouldn’t understand what she had said, and she knew for a fact he wouldn’t know he was possibly making some of his fellow students uncomfortable. Either way, it was a good time to keep things moving. “Anyway,” she continued, attention back on the class as a whole. “A lot of you seem to have thought at least a bit about the use of water in scrying, or in divination in general. Has anyone heard about something known as elaeomancy?” It was obscure, and there were multiple interpretations of the concept, but she had a feeling they might have fun with it. They’d had fun with the tea leaf readings last term, after all.
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"Professor, are you talking about divination by water gazing?" Kurumi asked with her hand raised. She hadn't ever seen anyone in real life perform it, but she had seen it in several films. Namely one where an elf queen performed it in the presence of a little man named Frodo and she saw the destruction of their world and then turned into something that she imagined an angry Veela looked like. But, that was the same thing, yes?
But she put THOSE thoughts aside for the moment.
"I've read that you perform it in a somewhat darkened room with a bowl of water and your back to the light. Some people use the reflection of a candle in the water."
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Eino had read somewhere about the term in a story but he wasn't sure if it was true. "Professor," he began with his hand raised, "I read in a book that Narcissus practiced eh-lah-oo-man-see," he completely butchered the word while trying to repeat it as the professor had done, "and that is why he often looked into water and when he stopped seeing images and saw himself he became obsessed with his own image." He might have just answered the purpose of Elaeomancy but he still didn't know what it was. Well, obviously it required water and looking at it, but Eino only liked to do that when it was a lake with fish, so he could try to count them.
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Blinking finally, Evelyn took a deep, calming breath as she looked up and around the area where she currently sat. After hearing they wouldn't be doing anything with fire in class today, she sorta lost interest and went off into her own little world. The world of dragons. Dragons...which were now doodled all over her page of notes. The page of notes which had no notes on it. This question however that the professor asked them was actually one she wasn't so sure on. Of course, it had to do with water, so...she wasn't interested.
"It's just another form of water gazing isn't it?" At least she assumed it was. "Except, people most commonly use oil...instead of water so it'd be oil...gazing." Hmm. "I think you can use other liquids though..." Divination using pumpkin juice?
“Anyway,” she continued, attention back on the class as a whole. “A lot of you seem to have thought at least a bit about the use of water in scrying, or in divination in general. Has anyone heard about something known as elaeomancy?” It was obscure, and there were multiple interpretations of the concept, but she had a feeling they might have fun with it. They’d had fun with the tea leaf readings last term, after all.[/COLOR]
Viola thought for a moment. She raised her hand and said, "It's another form of Divination. Divination by observation of a liquid surface is known as elaeomancy. Mainly oil is used in elaeomancy..mainly Olive Oil." Viola wasn't really sure if water was used. "It's done by dripping oil on a plate and then reading the pattern it forms." That's it. She didn't know anything else about elaeomancy. In fact, she was quite pleased with herself for knowing so much. Viola smiled.
“Anyway,” she continued, attention back on the class as a whole. “A lot of you seem to have thought at least a bit about the use of water in scrying, or in divination in general. Has anyone heard about something known as elaeomancy?” It was obscure, and there were multiple interpretations of the concept, but she had a feeling they might have fun with it. They’d had fun with the tea leaf readings last term, after all.[/COLOR]
"Scrying with an object that contains a single element only?" Janice answered, not with full confidence.
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“Anyway,” she continued, attention back on the class as a whole. “A lot of you seem to have thought at least a bit about the use of water in scrying, or in divination in general. Has anyone heard about something known as elaeomancy?” It was obscure, and there were multiple interpretations of the concept, but she had a feeling they might have fun with it. They’d had fun with the tea leaf readings last term, after all.
Water. Helena didn't quite discuss about it with Feenella, because... well, it was pretty much BORING. It wasn't so fascinating as a shiny crystal ball was. Nope. And the images in water were definitely not clear. All blurry.
And... Elaeomancy? "Isn't... oil used for that?" That... long and complicated name that Helena didn't want to pronounce once again. What did that have to do with water, anyway?
“Simon, I’d have to say both. Or neither, depending on your outlook. People who use scrying essentially could be considered exactly the same as those who can see the future. Although it could be argued scrying could access the past as well,” she replied, glancing at Selina again for a brief moment. Part of her had a feeling that Simon wouldn’t understand what she had said, and she knew for a fact he wouldn’t know he was possibly making some of his fellow students uncomfortable. Either way, it was a good time to keep things moving. “Anyway,” she continued, attention back on the class as a whole. “A lot of you seem to have thought at least a bit about the use of water in scrying, or in divination in general. Has anyone heard about something known as elaeomancy?” It was obscure, and there were multiple interpretations of the concept, but she had a feeling they might have fun with it. They’d had fun with the tea leaf readings last term, after all.[/COLOR]
Simon smiled at the Professor as she answered his question, she really was his favorate Professor. "Elaeomancy that's either something to do with elephant or School, I know what it is, it's a place were elephant go to school." Simon said, yes that was it, it was a place where Elephants go to school.
“Simon, I’d have to say both. Or neither, depending on your outlook. People who use scrying essentially could be considered exactly the same as those who can see the future. Although it could be argued scrying could access the past as well,” she replied, glancing at Selina again for a brief moment. Part of her had a feeling that Simon wouldn’t understand what she had said, and she knew for a fact he wouldn’t know he was possibly making some of his fellow students uncomfortable. Either way, it was a good time to keep things moving. “Anyway,” she continued, attention back on the class as a whole. “A lot of you seem to have thought at least a bit about the use of water in scrying, or in divination in general. Has anyone heard about something known as elaeomancy?” It was obscure, and there were multiple interpretations of the concept, but she had a feeling they might have fun with it. They’d had fun with the tea leaf readings last term, after all.[/COLOR]
Selina was more than relieved after Bishop changed the subject. The class seemed to be completely obivious to how hard seeing the future was. Not that she would want them to understand, she would not wish that fate on anyone.
She raised her hand and said, "Ma'am I think its a form of water gazing. You pore oil, usually olive oil, on the surface. From there you interpret the designs made from the oil similar to tea readings."
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Because she never did manage to find a group to discuss things with (there were way too many people in class for her to even try and find someone in the massive sea of people), Sierra set to work jotting down a few notes on her parchment.
Blahh. I'm a little skeptical of all forms of Divination, to be honest. My thoughts on scrying are that people aren't really seeing anything useful inside the crystal balls or the water. Or the fire, or whatever else they're using. I think that when people want something so badly, and when they think about it so often, they sort of force their mind to form mental images of it. I think something similar is happening during scrying.
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“Simon, I’d have to say both. Or neither, depending on your outlook. People who use scrying essentially could be considered exactly the same as those who can see the future. Although it could be argued scrying could access the past as well,” she replied, glancing at Selina again for a brief moment. Part of her had a feeling that Simon wouldn’t understand what she had said, and she knew for a fact he wouldn’t know he was possibly making some of his fellow students uncomfortable. Either way, it was a good time to keep things moving. “Anyway,” she continued, attention back on the class as a whole. “A lot of you seem to have thought at least a bit about the use of water in scrying, or in divination in general. Has anyone heard about something known as elaeomancy?” It was obscure, and there were multiple interpretations of the concept, but she had a feeling they might have fun with it. They’d had fun with the tea leaf readings last term, after all.[/COLOR]
"You mean trying to see things through a reflection in the water?" Sierra suggested, her hand in the air. This was just another fancy of way of doing the exact thing Sierra had just mentioned in her notes. There was no way the water could actually tell a person anything useful about their life. It had to just be the person's subconscious mind taking over. "It's pretty much the same concept as a crystal ball, but you're just looking into the water instead of the ball."
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They were back to the water scrying...thing. Alex was still confused about that, and after a few seconds of thinking it over he decided to raise his hand.
"I have a question, professor. If you were looking into the water for reflections, wouldn't you just see yourself? I don't understand how people can use that as Divination when you're just looking at your own face." he said. He just DIDN'T get it.
Oh wait, he should probably answer her question too! "Elaeomancy is the same sort of thing, only with oil," he explained. THAT made a bit more sense, since oil wasn't SOOOO reflective, in his opinion...but that sounded awfully messy and gross.
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"Scrying with an object that contains a single element only?" Janice answered, not with full confidence.
Renée had expected all sorts of guesses when she’d asked the question about elaeomancy, but for some reason Janice’s surprised her a little. She smiled at the Hufflepuff girl anyway, wanting her not to feel like she’d said anything wrong. “Not quite, and some people probably wouldn’t consider elaeomancy scrying anyhow,” she replied gently. “It was a good guess though.” It really was, in one way or another. She wasn’t entirely sure where the idea had come from, but at least the girl was trying. That was always the first step to learning, especially with a subject as vague as Divination.
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Simon smiled at the Professor as she answered his question, she really was his favorate Professor. "Elaeomancy that's either something to do with elephant or School, I know what it is, it's a place were elephant go to school." Simon said, yes that was it, it was a place where Elephants go to school.
Now Simon was always another story, as Renée had the sneaking suspicion he wasn’t always necessarily trying but liked to speak just to get her response. That would have been easily enough determined, but she wanted to give him the benefit of the doubt. Not to mention his answers were always quite amusing. “Unfortunately, no, Simon. Elaeomancy doesn’t have anything to do with elephants, let alone where they might be educated,” she replied, struggling a little not to grin and make him feel like she was laughing at him. He didn’t need that, especially if he was that confused about her question and the subject they were discussing. She did want him to try and learn something, after all, and discouragement never helped with that.
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"Professor, are you talking about divination by water gazing?" Kurumi asked with her hand raised. She hadn't ever seen anyone in real life perform it, but she had seen it in several films. Namely one where an elf queen performed it in the presence of a little man named Frodo and she saw the destruction of their world and then turned into something that she imagined an angry Veela looked like. But, that was the same thing, yes?
But she put THOSE thoughts aside for the moment.
"I've read that you perform it in a somewhat darkened room with a bowl of water and your back to the light. Some people use the reflection of a candle in the water."
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Eino had read somewhere about the term in a story but he wasn't sure if it was true. "Professor," he began with his hand raised, "I read in a book that Narcissus practiced eh-lah-oo-man-see," he completely butchered the word while trying to repeat it as the professor had done, "and that is why he often looked into water and when he stopped seeing images and saw himself he became obsessed with his own image." He might have just answered the purpose of Elaeomancy but he still didn't know what it was. Well, obviously it required water and looking at it, but Eino only liked to do that when it was a lake with fish, so he could try to count them.
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Because she never did manage to find a group to discuss things with (there were way too many people in class for her to even try and find someone in the massive sea of people), Sierra set to work jotting down a few notes on her parchment.
Blahh. I'm a little skeptical of all forms of Divination, to be honest. My thoughts on scrying are that people aren't really seeing anything useful inside the crystal balls or the water. Or the fire, or whatever else they're using. I think that when people want something so badly, and when they think about it so often, they sort of force their mind to form mental images of it. I think something similar is happening during scrying.
"You mean trying to see things through a reflection in the water?" Sierra suggested, her hand in the air. This was just another fancy of way of doing the exact thing Sierra had just mentioned in her notes. There was no way the water could actually tell a person anything useful about their life. It had to just be the person's subconscious mind taking over. "It's pretty much the same concept as a crystal ball, but you're just looking into the water instead of the ball."
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Blinking finally, Evelyn took a deep, calming breath as she looked up and around the area where she currently sat. After hearing they wouldn't be doing anything with fire in class today, she sorta lost interest and went off into her own little world. The world of dragons. Dragons...which were now doodled all over her page of notes. The page of notes which had no notes on it. This question however that the professor asked them was actually one she wasn't so sure on. Of course, it had to do with water, so...she wasn't interested.
"It's just another form of water gazing isn't it?" At least she assumed it was. "Except, people most commonly use oil...instead of water so it'd be oil...gazing." Hmm. "I think you can use other liquids though..." Divination using pumpkin juice?
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Eh, best go back to doodling in her notebook.
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Viola thought for a moment. She raised her hand and said, "It's another form of Divination. Divination by observation of a liquid surface is known as elaeomancy. Mainly oil is used in elaeomancy..mainly Olive Oil." Viola wasn't really sure if water was used. "It's done by dripping oil on a plate and then reading the pattern it forms." That's it. She didn't know anything else about elaeomancy. In fact, she was quite pleased with herself for knowing so much. Viola smiled.
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Penny put her hand in the air hesitantly...she had heard a word like this, had read something, but wasn't quite sure..
"Professor, is it Scrying using oil.??... i'm guessing that the oil makes shapes that can be interpreted by the Seer.."
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Water. Helena didn't quite discuss about it with Feenella, because... well, it was pretty much BORING. It wasn't so fascinating as a shiny crystal ball was. Nope. And the images in water were definitely not clear. All blurry.
And... Elaeomancy? "Isn't... oil used for that?" That... long and complicated name that Helena didn't want to pronounce once again. What did that have to do with water, anyway?
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Willam raised his hand. " Eleomanccy is fortune readings by the Italians and Greeks using olive oil" William answered the teacher.
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Selina was more than relieved after Bishop changed the subject. The class seemed to be completely obivious to how hard seeing the future was. Not that she would want them to understand, she would not wish that fate on anyone.
She raised her hand and said, "Ma'am I think its a form of water gazing. You pore oil, usually olive oil, on the surface. From there you interpret the designs made from the oil similar to tea readings."
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They were back to the water scrying...thing. Alex was still confused about that, and after a few seconds of thinking it over he decided to raise his hand.
"I have a question, professor. If you were looking into the water for reflections, wouldn't you just see yourself? I don't understand how people can use that as Divination when you're just looking at your own face." he said. He just DIDN'T get it.
Oh wait, he should probably answer her question too! "Elaeomancy is the same sort of thing, only with oil," he explained. THAT made a bit more sense, since oil wasn't SOOOO reflective, in his opinion...but that sounded awfully messy and gross.
As usual, however, it did seem that there were quite a few others who at least had tried to keep up on their reading, or at least had some sort of general knowledge about Divination. even if Renée was getting a multitude of different answers. Oddly enough, they were all correct in one way or another. “Yes, elaeomancy can be considered another form of hydromancy, or another name for it. Using water for Divinatory purposes. She had to smile a little at Eino’s attempt at pronunciation, as well. It was a difficult word to pronounce, after all. “And those of you who mentioned oil are correct as well, seeing as the most common version is using oil, usually olive oil, poured on another surface. Usually the surface of water, but it can also simply be done using a plate or some other surface.”
She veered away from the topic for a moment in order to answer Alex’s question, however. She didn’t want him to feel like he’d been ignored. “Have you ever tried to look past your reflection in something, Alex?,” she asked back, before continuing. “It’s similar to that, and it mostly just entails focus. Not getting distracted by your reflection, or setting the environment up so normal reflections are less likely. People who are skilled can scry just about anywhere, though.” And, at that, she returned to the class, trying to nudge the topic back to elaeomancy. She knew she had one possibility for managing that, as well.
“Selina made a good comparison, in saying elaeomancy is much like tasseomancy. Reading the designs or symbols that are made upon a certain action, whether it is draining a cup of tea or pouring oil onto the surface of a bowl of water,” she said then. A lot of the branches of Divination were interconnected anyhow. “Why do you think it is possible to have any symbols created, however vague they may be, by pouring oil onto water?” That was an entirely scientific question, but it was a valid one before they moved on to actually, possibly trying to see if they could do a reading or two. Understanding how things worked sometimes helped in understanding the magical properties, at least in her mind.
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Kurumi's hand shot up. "Because oil and water do not mix," she said in a rather matter of fact tone. "The molecules in water have strong bonds with each other, but also with hydrogen bonds. Oil molecules, on the other hand, do not bond with hydrogen." Kind of like putting a box of cookies in a room full of Slytherins. Slytherins would repel the box thinking it was something out to get them and therefore never 'bond' with the cookies.
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“Selina made a good comparison, in saying elaeomancy is much like tasseomancy. Reading the designs or symbols that are made upon a certain action, whether it is draining a cup of tea or pouring oil onto the surface of a bowl of water,” she said then. A lot of the branches of Divination were interconnected anyhow. “Why do you think it is possible to have any symbols created, however vague they may be, by pouring oil onto water?” That was an entirely scientific question, but it was a valid one before they moved on to actually, possibly trying to see if they could do a reading or two. Understanding how things worked sometimes helped in understanding the magical properties, at least in her mind.
Simon had this song stuck in his head and without realising it was muttering it. "It's so easy to fall in love - it's so easy to fall in love. People tell me love is for fools, so here I go breaking all of the rules." When he realised he decided to hope that the Professor hadn't heard what he was muttering though she wouldn't know who he was on about.
Simon decided to answer the next question. "Because if you get oil and poor it into water and then set fire to it, you can see it for miles around and so you can make it into any shape you want." Simon sighed. "Though you really shouldn't do that because it will affect the animal that live in the water."
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