DH Vixen | 02-05-2011 06:04 AM | Quote:
Originally Posted by Macavity
(Post 10165224)
Simon smiled slightly as his answer was accepted, taking down that and the rest deemed correct into his notes for later on. As the treats were offered, the Gryffindor accepted one as he listened to Professor Welton continue. At the mention of creatures being involved in breaking the statute a few ideas came to mind but one stuck out, one that he wasn't to keen on if it was in fact true. "Would the creature be harmed in some manner as punishment?" he hesitantly asked, reminded of those 'modified' to stay under the radar. Would creatures be held responsible when they were just being themselves or only guilty of having guilty owners? | "I would hope not. If the creature belonged to a wizard/witch or a wizard/witch was responsible for them, I would think that the punishment would be dealt to the owner or caretaker." Quote:
Originally Posted by grangerfan8
(Post 10165227)
"I think that it also depends on the situation when it comes to creatures as well. But basically, memory charms would have to be placed on the muggles that saw the creature, and the ministry would send out wizards to contain the creature, or destroy depending on the severity of the situation. Like if the creature was killing muggles." She raised her hand belatedly, and a bit disinterested with the general topic. Really, she could talk about all of this with her father, and if he ever heard about this lesson probably would again. | "Yes, that is what I was looking for. There have been numerous instances of this in history too." Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetpinkpixie
(Post 10165228)
Kurumi tilted her head to the side. When a creature breached wizarding law? She didn't mean that it was the creature's fault, right? It wasn't like they all knew there were laws that had to be kept. "Professor, do you mean like if someone were breeding basilisks? Or perhaps not severing a crup's forked tail at the appropriate time?" Kurumi asked trying to narrow down the field. "Or are you looking for a response related to a creature acting of its own accord like a Dementor wrecking havoc on a non-magical household?" | "I was asking on a broad range, but you do bring up a good point. A crup running about with its forked tail is a completely different situation than say a Dementor wreaking havoc. But in both cases, the Ministry would be called, correct?" Quote:
Originally Posted by Luinevaug
(Post 10165230)
Luin listened to some of the answers made about the statute, and then thought of what she knew about the remificationsof the statute being breached. Some had already been brought up..hmm, maybe, "Well there was the. Ilfracombe Incident awhile back when that Common Welsh Green attacked a group of muggles at Ilfracombe." she paused, "They said the attack was stopped by a wizarding family who cast memory charms. Usually when such breaches like that occur the International Task Force is brought out to deal with the situation. When a witch or wizard knowingly performs magic on or in the presence and awareness of a Muggle they can be charged by the Wizengamot." | "Very good, Luin. I was hoping that someone would bring up the Ilfracombe Incident." Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiegirl
(Post 10165231)
Raising her hand yet again, Mia spoke up. "If a magical creature breaches the law by being notice or causing harm to a muggle then that nations' governing body will be subjected to disciplinary action by the International Confederation. Not sure exactly what would happen to them. My guess is that those responsible would be fired and maybe imprisoned. Maybe." | Quote:
Originally Posted by Luinevaug
(Post 10165237)
Luin realized she was a bit behind on that subject and realized she should add to her answer, "In the cases with the creatures, it is the nation's government which is in trouble and subject to discipline by the confederation." she sat back, she was on track things were just going so fast at the moment. | "Very good. The nation's govering body would step in. So our Ministry would deal with it." Quote:
Originally Posted by Anna Banana
(Post 10165233)
Sierra searched deep within her brain for some random facts about magical creatures and muggles. Someone had mentioned the Loch Ness Monster and Yeti earlier, right? The Ministry of Magic had to step in then, too. Only, they reacted in different ways during each situation.
Up went her hand again. "Well, someone mentioned the Loch Ness Monster and Yeti earlier. When muggles saw the Loch Ness Monster, The Department for the Regulation and Control of Magical Creatures stepped in to try and convince the muggles that the pictures taken were fake," she explained. Now how they did that, Sierra didn't know. Maybe muggles were just easily convinced or something. "There's also been an International Task Force set up in the mountains to control the Yeti situation." | "Again the Ministry and its departments would come in and do some damage control, but that all falls under Clause 73." Quote:
Originally Posted by mellamaet
(Post 10165294)
Nerd. She was being a nerd. She didn't know what it was with History of Magic, but it was turning her into a nerd!!! "Well, it states in Clause 73 of the Statute of Secrecy that: Each wizarding governing body will be responsible for the concealment, care and control of all magical beasts, beings, and spirits dwelling within its territory's borders. Should any such creature cause harm to, or draw the notice of, the Muggle community, that nation's wizarding governing body will be subject to discipline by the International Confederation of Wizards." Cass said as she read of a piece of parchment containing the advanced research that she had done earlier. Then she continued "So, they would probably alter the memory of the muggles so that they won't remember a thing about it...then they would have to do something with the creature...maybe place it in isolation or something? | "Very good." Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry174
(Post 10165238)
Simon looked at the Professor, he had no idea what Statue she was talking about then, this was getting very confussing. "Professor but that the only type of statue, I know." Simon sighed how was he suppost to do any good in the lesson when he had no idea what the Professor was talking about, maybe she would let him speak to her after class.
Simon listened to the next question and realised that again he would just have to guess again, this was going to be what he would have to do for most of this lesson or so he thought. "Well If it was my statue it was break..." Simon started but then realised that he was on about the statue he had just found out was wrong. "Well if the Creature breacher into something then I can't see them being put into prision or made to work off there debt thought it would be funny to see so I would have to conclude that the only thing that makes sence is to put it down or send it into exile." | Stopping for a moment, Sylvie frowned. A part of her felt she had failed her student. She could tell there was some confusion there. She would definitely advise that he stayed behind to talk to her. "Simon, I'm not sure if you are understanding all of it. Maybe you should read the text and see me after the lesson. You are kind of getting it but not completely. Good effort though." Quote:
Originally Posted by Destiny
(Post 10165244)
Destiny had a headache already. So much talking and writing..
Was Professor Welton giving out SWEETS!?
With her headache suddenly gone, she raised her hand to answer the question. The question she had no idea the answer to. But, maybe if she at least tried, the Professor would give her more CANDY. Mwaha! "Ugh, wouldn't they do something to the muggles? Like..obliviate them..or something?"
Jeez. Her answer was so LAME compared to everyone else's.
Pfft. Smarty pants, the lot of them. | "Obliviating muggles isn't unheard of. That is just what they did in the Ilfracombe Incident." Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoerawrr
(Post 10165246)
"Depends on the creature," Jake shrugged, hand up. "House elves are generally seen as being responsible, but I suppose if a crup got out and into the muggle world, it would be the owner who got in trouble. Generally... if it's seen as having intelligence, or knowing enough to know what is wrong... they could be like... taken into custody... maybe destroyed."
Jake sadfaced there.
"Sometimes even the ones that don't KNOW can be destroyed."
EPIC SADFACE.
"But it's hard to know where the line is between those creatures who know and those who don't." | "Very good. The type of creature can be important and can sway what might happen. It's up the the Ministry again what happens, isn't it?"
Jake had a point about that line between a creature knowing and not knowing. It was a rather sad thing to think about, but once something of that nature occurred, it was out of their hands and in the hands of the Ministry. Quote:
Originally Posted by Tazenhani
(Post 10165248)
Sabel's smile to Jake was brief, the lesson moving on and his nerves coiling in dangerous ways. Stiff and rigid, he sat with his arms crossed and a rather permanent frown on his expression, listening to the description of the Statue and the consequences. Once again, his mind was pulled this way and that, understanding while hating, agreeing while fighting against it with everything.
And one memory kept playing over and over in his mind. They could talk about the Statue all they wanted, theorize on consequences and choices, but there was nothing quite so powerful as having that choice in your face at a time of dire need. Nothing. And so he remained quiet. | Looking to the silent members of her class, she took notice of them. She could tell that the wheels in their heads were turn. She wanted their discussion to spark ideas and thoughts, but to what extent she was a bit scared to know. Shaking those thoughts, she turned back to the other students. Quote:
Originally Posted by ArianaBlack
(Post 10165257)
Nika raised her hand although she was unsure of the answer she thought it would be better if she at least made a guess. The small girl looked up from her notes and waited for her proffesor to call on her. "Well, Proffesor. I don't think that the creature would get into much trouble if it is not very smart. If it was a smart creature and knew better than to expose itself then I suppose it would be different. The animal wouldn't be harmed would it?" Nika got worried hoping that they wouldn't do anything to harm the animal. | "Again, I'm not completely sure as to what would happen. There is a great amount of grey area, but I think we are lead to believe that if the creature is under the care of a wizard or witch, the creature would be spared and the owner or caretaker would be handed the punishment." Quote:
Originally Posted by Yourenodaisy
(Post 10165297)
What did happen? Kurumi did mention the Loch Ness Monster, so maybe, She raised her hand. "Are there times where they create, or rather allow rumors to persist. I mean, some times that would be the safest thing wouldn't it? if too many think they see something you cant make that go away."
Tilting her head in though, Sylvie nodded slightly. "You know, I'm not sure if the Ministry would directly allow rumours to persist. I mean sometimes, things can fall through the cracks and be missed. In the case of the Ilfracombe Incident, there was a single muggle that still swears that there was a dirty flying lizard that ruined his Li Lo." | Quote:
Originally Posted by Yaya
(Post 10165330)
Annie was not acquainted to all that Statute of Secrecy thing or such, but it seemed that everything was becoming clear now. And why she was forced to keep her secret of being a witch in front of her Muggle friends back at home. And the fact that well, she'd have to give up her magic sometimes when leaving to Russia to soccer camp.
And in case of creatures, magical creatures, she remembered a lot of supposed myths that ran across the city where she used to live, and well, the many legends that were present worldwide. She raised her hand and took a deep breath before guessing, "Wouldn't it be like the responsibility of the nation to keep it under control, like...they call them myths, or legends, and make Muggle believe that such things may or may not exist, and in some cases, well...make it appear as if it was all a trap of a Muggle to attract tourists?" Because it seemed the case in some places, that would drag in people just for the legend of some kind of ghost haunting a place. | "Yes, it would be the nations responsibility to keep it under wraps. That is what Clause 73 is for. That is a very good point as well, Annie."
Good ideas, she did like that. "I'm sure that muggles well believe what they want. I mean those that manage to slip under the creaks and aren't obliviated, may go on and keep of what they see and those stories would continue on. Call it what you may, myths or legends. They still continue on. Word of mouth is a powerful thing." |