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There was a brisk snap to the air in the unheated classroom as Tate set himself up at the desk in the front of the room and tightened the scarf still tied around his neck. Once the fire in the corner did its job, the room would be much more comfortable, and he would be able to remove the scarf and get his fingers working normally again.
The fireplace was surely enchanted, because it wasn't long before feeling returned to his hands and the room felt almost cheery with warmth. Almost. It was still a little nippy, but would surely warm through the class period. Tate flicked his wand at the door, letting it swing open to admit students to Defense Against the Dark Arts.
"As we said, a common link between our Dark Wizards was fear. Fear of being powerless, of death... either way, I think Pettigrew qualifies as a Dark Wizard. His death wasn't one of remorse, unless you mean that he regretted dying. But aside from that, I don't know how you can say that a Dark Wizard has no remorse. Are you suggesting that the decision to pursue the Dark Arts drains one of natural emotion? We know that Voldemort didn't have natural emotion, but he was a sociopath. Look at other examples... Grindelwald showed friendship. Malfoy cared deeply for his son in the end."
He moved back to his desk and seated himself on the lip, giving them all a long and thoughtful look. "We'll do a case study, familiarize ourselves with a specific group of Dark Wizards and look at how they came to be what they are. What can you tell me about Salazar Slytherin?"
Selina nodded along with the teacher, "Well, sir I supose the right answer to the debate with Dark Wizards is everything is relative. There can be no right answer. Of course we can argue about this, but it will do no good. Because honestly what drives people to the Dark side of Magic can be different things. Everyone is different so they handle things differently. But I do see your point sir, it is true what you said about Malfoy. I supposse I still have much to learn." It was true. Selina was sure she had her answer perfectly picked. But with all of the debate with her answer she now knew that DADA was going to take a lot more than factual information. It would take real thought and application, but she was ready for the challenge.
Raising her hand at his question she responded, "He was, most obviously, the founder of the Slytherin House. Also he was a parselmouth and skilled at Legilimency. He personally did not think that muggle-born students should attend Hogwarts so he left the school, but not before creating the Chamber of Secrets. He also was an ancestor of Voldermort. The necklace that was the horcrux carried around by the Golden Trio on the hunt before the Battle of Hogwarts was Slytherin's." Selina then thanked her mother's nagging for her to read Hogwarts: A History before starting school this summer.
"Truer words were never spoken. I appreciate all the opinions shared today, and I admire how you mostly managed to respectful in the face of a topic that is highly charged and emotional. Let's continue with the lesson now and leave this debate behind."
He moved back to his desk and seated himself on the lip, giving them all a long and thoughtful look. "We'll do a case study, familiarize ourselves with a specific group of Dark Wizards and look at how they came to be what they are. What can you tell me about Salazar Slytherin?"
"Salazar Slytherinwas one of the founders of Hogwarts, and he believed only purebloods should be taught magic at this establishment. I don't believe at first he was truly evil, but then he buuilt the Chamber of Secrets and inside was a basilisk that he put there. That's what made him evil. If he had simply feft the school because he was outmanned, then things would have been totally different."
Neptune blew on her nails again before lifting her hand. "Didn't he throw a fit over all this muggleborn stuff? And leave the school?" Neptune so got that. Best way to get one's way sometime was to just.... STOMP off mad-like. Sometimes anyway. Neptune returned one of Jim's glances.
Sometimes it worked.
"I bet he coined the term Gryffindork," Neptune whispered to Jake, then giiiiiiggled about it.
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"The point is that you take away their free will. You're talking about an animal, I presume, and that's a different fight, but the point is the same. If I feel I know better for you than you know for yourself, and I exert my will over yours, does that make me right? You may be safer, but I removed your ability to react in that situation. Whether the cause is good or bad, when you prevent someone from choosing, you take away the part of them that makes them human. They might as well be an animated bag of parts on a shelf." Tate decided to let that go, if only because the boy was INTENT on this idea that if the cause was good enough, it was permissible to take away someone's will.
Kurumi glanced at Eino quickly. See, she had said the same thing...just not as elegantly as Professor Tate had. She felt like sticking her tongue out, but instead turned her attention to the front of the room as class continued.
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He moved back to his desk and seated himself on the lip, giving them all a long and thoughtful look. "We'll do a case study, familiarize ourselves with a specific group of Dark Wizards and look at how they came to be what they are. What can you tell me about Salazar Slytherin?"
Kurumi's hand shot up. "Professor, Salazar Slytherin was a parselmouth and skilled at Legilimency." Which was frightening enough. Being able to navigate through someone's mind as easily as one could a neighborhood in a car, that was a talent that was very dangerous.
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Neptune blew on her nails again before lifting her hand. "Didn't he throw a fit over all this muggleborn stuff? And leave the school?" Neptune so got that. Best way to get one's way sometime was to just.... STOMP off mad-like. Sometimes anyway. Neptune returned one of Jim's glances.
Sometimes it worked.
"I bet he coined the term Gryffindork," Neptune whispered to Jake, then giiiiiiggled about it.
When Jake heard what Neptune said, he couldn't help but gigglesnort, and then immediately clap a hand over his mouth to stifle such sounds which were remniscient of a laughing pig.
"Stop it," he responded, nudging her but still smiling slightly. Oh Neptune...
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Lexi simply heaved a shrug at James since Tate said to leave the debate behind. It was her personal belief and that was that. No one was changing her mind about it. He could speak about who was right and who was wrong until he was blue in the face and it wouldn't discourage her from having her convictions about Dark Arts.
Raising her hand a bit timidly she called out, "I believe Salazar Slytherin was the one that built the Chamber of Secrets that housed the Basilisk. Did it before he left the school in a huff about blood purity."
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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Jim listened to the answers others gave and shifted a bit in his seat. No wonder there was so much prejudice if people had been taught what was almost the opposite of the truth. He frowned to himself and wondered what would be taught as 'correct' in this class. Jim fixed his gaze on the professor, interested. Curious.
Hoping that the headmaster knew and would set people straight.
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"He moved back to his desk and seated himself on the lip, giving them all a long and thoughtful look. "We'll do a case study, familiarize ourselves with a specific group of Dark Wizards and look at how they came to be what they are. What can you tell me about Salazar Slytherin?"
Oh Merlin, Evelyn was sooooo lost in this discussion. She couldn't for the life of her wonder why they gotten onto the discussion of Snape, but, well she just kept quite. Too much Josh staring still.
Speaking of Josh, the Slytherin finally blinked and glanced to the professor when he took off ten points from him. PFFT! He wasn't a disruption. Merely voicing his opinion. Right JOSH!? But, now here was a topic she knew. Hmm yes, founder, muggleborn hater...mmhmm...yup, everyone was pretty much saying everything. "He was one of the founders of Hogwarts," Yup. Old guy. "who was a pureblood, and who was particularly careful when choosing students for his house. At least, the student's blood status having a big part in his choices that is." Mmhmm.
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He moved back to his desk and seated himself on the lip, giving them all a long and thoughtful look. "We'll do a case study, familiarize ourselves with a specific group of Dark Wizards and look at how they came to be what they are. What can you tell me about Salazar Slytherin?"
Emily thought for a moment before responding to the Professors question.
Raising her hand she said, "Well it's said that Salazar Slytherins family came from a fen, which is a sort of marshland. It is possible that he could have been from Norfolk, Lincolnshire, Cambridgeshire. And of course these areas are typically inhabited by amphibians and snakes, which would also help explain why he was a proficient parseltongue. Not only was he a parseltongue but he was also accomplished at legilimency and could even considered him to be a basilisk breeder." Emily paused to ake a breath before continuing. "Salazar Slytherin used his abilities, indirectly, to purge Hogwarts of muggle borns. As a Hogwarts founder he believed that magical education should stay within magical families, and therefore not include muggle borns. Because of his belief and view, through his ambitious mind he secured the Chamber of Secrets, to encourage his heir to purge the school of these 'impuirties'. And that is a bad a dark thing. So whist we do not know much of what Salazar Slytherin had done in his life, we do know that he possessed dark thoughts and abilities which enabled him to do dark things."
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"Some truth, some... assumptions," Tate nodded slowly at all the answers. It was funny how stories were passed from person to person over time and changed, but there was a good start here.
"I think we can agree on Slytherin's role in the creation of this school, as well as his fabled skill in parselmouth and the creation of the Chamber of Secrets. I do want to expand a bit of Slytherin's beliefs, though, because those inform our discussion in a bit. But first, who can tell me a bit about the world at the time Hogwarts was created? What was going on beyond these walls that helped promote the creation of this school?"
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Still laughing Josh glanced at others around him to see if there was anyone else enjoying the funny side of the class but as he could observe there was no one else laughing. Or at least he could not see anyone else laughing from where he sat.
Meh.
While the other students spoke one by one, the Gryffindor boy finally stopped laughing and started to look at his classmates instead wondering where his friends were. Aha! His dark eyes spotted Simon sitting there. He seemed to be focused on the class like the others. Ha. Someone had to change that. So opening his little notebook he ripped a little piece of paper from it, rolled it to make sure that it would find its target and threw it at the Quidditch Captain.
Hehe.
As the professor spoke to him the boy tried to stop laughing in order to pay attention to what he was saying and when finally he managed to keep a half serious face the Gryffindor stood up and took a deep breath to answer the question.
''Well... professor'' he began ''Everybody knows they practice dark magic as my classmates mentioned before. And dark magic or anything dark is for cowards. Because being occupied with dark stuff is a way to keep themselves away from the things they considered threatening for them. And this is something that cowards would do instead of facing them.'' Was this enough? He did not know. However he grinned at the Headmaster when he finished his words and sat back.
Hahahaha.
This class was Josh's favourite so far. He did not know why but it did not matter. There was no need for finding a reason because the Gryffindor was enjoying it and that was what he thought important. But gradually he was getting bored of the long speeches of other students so he was about to focus his attention on something else to busy himself like finding where Evelyn was when he heard someone adressing to him.
Looking at that way the boy grinned again the moment he spotted Salander speaking to him. ''Oh really?'' then he asked cheerfully ''I don't know what Severus Snape messed with but if he had been famous with his courage like you say it would be a common knowledge that he was a Gryffindor''
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"Ten points from Gryffindor for being a disruption." Tate gave the boy a flat look. Still carrying on, was he?
"You've failed to carry your point in an attempt to be clever, and have instead only talked yourself in a circle. You'll have a chance to redeem yourself in your homework, hopefully."
"Truer words were never spoken. I appreciate all the opinions shared today, and I admire how you mostly managed to respectful in the face of a topic that is highly charged and emotional. Let's continue with the lesson now and leave this debate behind."
He moved back to his desk and seated himself on the lip, giving them all a long and thoughtful look. "We'll do a case study, familiarize ourselves with a specific group of Dark Wizards and look at how they came to be what they are. What can you tell me about Salazar Slytherin?"
Simon was listening intently to the lesson, and the surrounding discussions, taking notes on everything that seemed important to the subject matter. Feeling the hit of the paper he turned distracted and spotted Josh apparently trying to get his attention. About to mouth a question at him, he was stopped as Headmaster Tate noticed taking ten points from Gryffindor for the distruption causing him to bite back a groan and turning back forward.
"Slytherin was from the fen or eastern England as the Sorting Hat says," he supplied as his classmates offered the rest. Simon had remembered that from each year and once had looked up the locals in the library.
"Some truth, some... assumptions," Tate nodded slowly at all the answers. It was funny how stories were passed from person to person over time and changed, but there was a good start here.
"I think we can agree on Slytherin's role in the creation of this school, as well as his fabled skill in parselmouth and the creation of the Chamber of Secrets. I do want to expand a bit of Slytherin's beliefs, though, because those inform our discussion in a bit. But first, who can tell me a bit about the world at the time Hogwarts was created? What was going on beyond these walls that helped promote the creation of this school?"
"Persecution, for sure. Like, of anyone suspected of being magic. I mean, most people could magic themselves safe, like Wendelin the Weird, though I can't remember where that was. But kids were prosecuted too..." Jake offered. "I mean... I think. I am just estimating on the timelines. But muggles were like, seriously in the dark ages compared to now."
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Sakura smiled back at the boy who'd been talking about maybe using Dark Arts to protect his family, before turning back to the Headmaster and the question at hand.
"Magical folk were being persecuted by muggles due to the fear they had of magic. This school was created to be a safe haven for children with magic. Which is why there are so many wards that will protect us from those who may inadvertently, or intentionally try to do us harm. I also believe though that the founders really did want to pass their own experiences on to others with magic and there was no wizarding school available for people to send their children too." Hopefully that was the kind of answer the headmaster wanted because Sakura wasn't really up to date on European history.
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Brown eyes flicking around the classroom as students spoke, her wand twirling idly in her wand hand, she listened as the conversation was slowly turned to to a slightly different topic. Arya didn't know much about the Slytherin founder besides what had been said, and she also didn't know much about the time period the school was founded in, history was not her forte. So the young Hufflepuff simply listened as the class continued.
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"Some truth, some... assumptions," Tate nodded slowly at all the answers. It was funny how stories were passed from person to person over time and changed, but there was a good start here.
"I think we can agree on Slytherin's role in the creation of this school, as well as his fabled skill in parselmouth and the creation of the Chamber of Secrets. I do want to expand a bit of Slytherin's beliefs, though, because those inform our discussion in a bit. But first, who can tell me a bit about the world at the time Hogwarts was created? What was going on beyond these walls that helped promote the creation of this school?"
"Hogwarts was established before the statute." Jimmy murmured, eyes still on the headmaster, hand going up belatedly. "Its a fortress. A castle is for defence."
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Kurumi listened as other students began talking about persecution of witches and wizards. Were there really witch hunts back then? Kurumi wasn't sure that there were, or at least she hadn't read about them. Kurumi's hand shot up again. "Hogwarts is said to have been founded around 1000 AD. Around that time, due to the turn of a century approaching, I believe there was mass panic among the non-magical population about an apocalypse. As a result, religion began to spread." Which then could have lead to the persecution that others were talking about.
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Simon was inwardly slightly bothered for having answered just as the professor was moving the class along and chalked it up to his friend distracting him. Hearing the next question he tried his best to find an answer to do better this time around. "Like the others said it might have been for protection of wizards and witches during the dark times. But it would also have been a way to teach a large group rather the younger generation having to seek out with trouble probably someone to learn under," he replied.
"Some truth, some... assumptions," Tate nodded slowly at all the answers. It was funny how stories were passed from person to person over time and changed, but there was a good start here.
"I think we can agree on Slytherin's role in the creation of this school, as well as his fabled skill in parselmouth and the creation of the Chamber of Secrets. I do want to expand a bit of Slytherin's beliefs, though, because those inform our discussion in a bit. But first, who can tell me a bit about the world at the time Hogwarts was created? What was going on beyond these walls that helped promote the creation of this school?"
"It was kind of like the old west in America people on both side would take the ""Law""into there own hands magical people cursing or enchanting those muggles that could do somthing for them and muggles attacking any thing that didnt conform to certain relgious or cultral beliefs"
For once, Benjain didn't answer. It wasn't because he was mad or anything. He simply didn't know the answer to the question. He never studied muggle histoy, but he was sure that Jaina knew the answer to this question. He looked a her and waited for her hand to rise, but it hadn't yet.
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"Persecution, for sure. Like, of anyone suspected of being magic. I mean, most people could magic themselves safe, like Wendelin the Weird, though I can't remember where that was. But kids were prosecuted too..." Jake offered. "I mean... I think. I am just estimating on the timelines. But muggles were like, seriously in the dark ages compared to now."
"Yes, absolutely right," Tate agreed. "We spoke earlier about how being burnt at the stake wasn't really as dangerous as the Muggles would think... but that's only true if you know the charm to freeze a flame. And persecution is persecution, whether they manage to hurt you or not."
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Sakura smiled back at the boy who'd been talking about maybe using Dark Arts to protect his family, before turning back to the Headmaster and the question at hand.
"Magical folk were being persecuted by muggles due to the fear they had of magic. This school was created to be a safe haven for children with magic. Which is why there are so many wards that will protect us from those who may inadvertently, or intentionally try to do us harm. I also believe though that the founders really did want to pass their own experiences on to others with magic and there was no wizarding school available for people to send their children too." Hopefully that was the kind of answer the headmaster wanted because Sakura wasn't really up to date on European history.
Tate nodded at the girl. "Exactly. The school was created by all four Founders to be a safe place for children to come together and learn. And not just any children, but specifically magical children, because they were the ones who were most at risk." And she was probably right that the Founders also had a love of learning they wished to share. Why else create a school?
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"Hogwarts was established before the statute." Jimmy murmured, eyes still on the headmaster, hand going up belatedly. "Its a fortress. A castle is for defence."
"Yes, Wilkes! Good." Tate approved of that little bit of reasoning. This place wasn't merely hallowed halls of learning. It was built solidly, defensively. It was clearly intended to protect.
"Before the Statute, so we were living together at that time. A mixed society, relatively, of magical and non-magical kind. And so the four Founders created this school with the specific purpose of hiding away magical children and providing them with a safe, healthy place for learning. Can you think why they may have been cautious about who they would admit to the school?"
"Yes, absolutely right," Tate agreed. "We spoke earlier about how being burnt at the stake wasn't really as dangerous as the Muggles would think... but that's only true if you know the charm to freeze a flame. And persecution is persecution, whether they manage to hurt you or not."
"Before the Statute, so we were living together at that time. A mixed society, relatively, of magical and non-magical kind. And so the four Founders created this school with the specific purpose of hiding away magical children and providing them with a safe, healthy place for learning. Can you think why they may have been cautious about who they would admit to the school?"
"True."
Jake knew that for sure.
But moving on. "Well... like what I said earlier. They were learning the magic and stuff, right? And the muggles were more scared than ever of stuff they didn't understand, sooooo... magic. What if they let a young muggle in who was intent on letting others in, or hurting those inside. Like... infiltration. I mean, that may have been what they believed."
Jake could just imagine himself being there, untrained and magicless; Welcome... to the second line of defence.
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"Before the Statute, so we were living together at that time. A mixed society, relatively, of magical and non-magical kind. And so the four Founders created this school with the specific purpose of hiding away magical children and providing them with a safe, healthy place for learning. Can you think why they may have been cautious about who they would admit to the school?"
Emily raised her hand, "Well I suppose they would ahve had to be carefull when admitting students with non-magical heritage because whilst the child exhibited magical qualities, their families may have responded in a negative manner... which would then have jeapardised the saftey of the students and staff of the school. So really if you think about it that way, Slytherin had every right to not want muggle borns admitted into the school."
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Then she raised her hand.
"The castle was built as both a fortress to keep out those against magic and as a sanctuary to keep those with magical powers safe...during this time wizards and witches were persecuted for the magic and often burned or stoned or worse depending on the parts of the world. In some places they even believed they were partners with the devil." Satine shivered with the thought of being stoned or burned...just not her idea of a good afternoon. "So they had to be careful who they let in because you never knew who would be a traitor to the the magic world."
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"Yes, Wilkes! Good." Tate approved of that little bit of reasoning. This place wasn't merely hallowed halls of learning. It was built solidly, defensively. It was clearly intended to protect.
"Before the Statute, so we were living together at that time. A mixed society, relatively, of magical and non-magical kind. And so the four Founders created this school with the specific purpose of hiding away magical children and providing them with a safe, healthy place for learning. Can you think why they may have been cautious about who they would admit to the school?"
"Well its not like they'd want spies." Jim pointed out. "And with no statute, any muggleborn student would be free to share what they knew with their muggle families, whether they wanted to or not. A different kind of persecution." He thought about it a bit more. "It could have been a risk. Take any 100 muggleborn students, it'd only take one to compromise the safety of the wizarding children -all of them, since probably muggleborns would be persecuted the same way in the long run- and therefore, the future of wizardkind."
So maybe Salazar Slytherin had a whole lot more foresight than people gave him credit for. "It was almost 700 years after Hogwarts was founded that the statute was established as law, and thats a long time to hide a school, and keep people safe from harm."
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"Yes, absolutely right," Tate agreed. "We spoke earlier about how being burnt at the stake wasn't really as dangerous as the Muggles would think... but that's only true if you know the charm to freeze a flame. And persecution is persecution, whether they manage to hurt you or not."
Tate nodded at the girl. "Exactly. The school was created by all four Founders to be a safe place for children to come together and learn. And not just any children, but specifically magical children, because they were the ones who were most at risk." And she was probably right that the Founders also had a love of learning they wished to share. Why else create a school?
"Yes, Wilkes! Good." Tate approved of that little bit of reasoning. This place wasn't merely hallowed halls of learning. It was built solidly, defensively. It was clearly intended to protect.
"Before the Statute, so we were living together at that time. A mixed society, relatively, of magical and non-magical kind. And so the four Founders created this school with the specific purpose of hiding away magical children and providing them with a safe, healthy place for learning. Can you think why they may have been cautious about who they would admit to the school?"
She'd been right? Score. And that was without even being good at European history. This class was turning out to be good now that they were getting away from the Dart Arts topic and towards safer grounds.
Hmmm.
"The most obvious answer would be because of the persecution they suffered at the hands of muggles. If they admitted the wrong student the location of the school could be jeopardised, and therefore the lives of the youth who lived and learnt here would be placed in danger. I think they were worried more about the parents, or non-immediate family of the students than the students themselves. With the spread of religion as well if you got a religious zealot admitted to the school they may try to kill people because they believed that magic was wrong, making them a danger not only to others but themselves." Or at least that would be why Sakura would be prejudiced or selective about who she let into a place.
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