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There was a brisk snap to the air in the unheated classroom as Tate set himself up at the desk in the front of the room and tightened the scarf still tied around his neck. Once the fire in the corner did its job, the room would be much more comfortable, and he would be able to remove the scarf and get his fingers working normally again.
The fireplace was surely enchanted, because it wasn't long before feeling returned to his hands and the room felt almost cheery with warmth. Almost. It was still a little nippy, but would surely warm through the class period. Tate flicked his wand at the door, letting it swing open to admit students to Defense Against the Dark Arts.
He was glad to return to the topic at hand. "Yes, you're correct. A Dark wizard isn't about belief systems, it is about actions. We know Grindelwald and Voldemort were both Dark. Can anyone explain how they link to the Knights?"
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Booooo for disruptions.
Jake glanced down at Neptune moving her finger around on the desk and fought the urge to place his hand over hers. For now.
Instead, Jake looked back up again at Tate, looking half-surprised. Almost as though he'd forgotten he was in class.
"Well... Voldemort was a descendant of Slytherin, I think. He said he was, but he also said he was a pureblood. Then again, the whole parselmouth thing and records... anyway. Irrelevant. But they had the idea that wizards were supreme. Grindelwald I THINK disliked muggles and maybe wanted to be rid of them, for the greater good. Voldemort... well, 'magic is might' kind of says it all. But they conciously used Dark magic and did some unsavoury things. They acted on it, instead of just expressing and opinion."
They acted like children, to be honest. Just trying to get what they wanted.
"But... maybe they believed that they were carrying on the view of the Knights and would be, like... bigged up for what they did by the Knights... which they kind of were."
Maybe? Sorta?
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"He was glad to return to the topic at hand. "Yes, you're correct. A Dark wizard isn't about belief systems, it is about actions. We know Grindelwald and Voldemort were both Dark. Can anyone explain how they link to the Knights?"
Riley was kind of on the fence about the whole idea of someone belonging to one of these types of groups. They had to be kind of shady to join in the first place right? Well especially the ones that were all anti-muggle and stuff but he guessed those that were pro-magic can save the world and junk, they seemed kind of cool.
Oh ok back to the lesson he was sitting in. The Headmaster mentioned the names of two of the most dangerous Dark Wizards within the last century and even to this day their names kind of creeped Riley out. They were just...evil sounding. "Well Professor since both Grindelwald and Voldemort were rising and aspiring Dark Lords, they natrually needed to have followers. So, having both learned about the group's different beliefs, it was obvious that both men sympathized with the idea of 'putting muggles in their place.' " Riley used air quotes around that last phrase. Even though he was a pureblood and could be stuck up sometimes, anti Muggle efforts disgusted him. "So they made up groups much like the Knights had." the Gryffindor nodded.
He was glad to return to the topic at hand. "Yes, you're correct. A Dark wizard isn't about belief systems, it is about actions. We know Grindelwald and Voldemort were both Dark. Can anyone explain how they link to the Knights?"
Simon looked at the Professor. "Is it because some knights thought that they were better than the people they were suppost to be protecting and so they killed them and took over for themselve." Simon hoped he was on the right track. "I think that they like some of the Knights, the Dark Wizards think they are above everyone and hate having to take orders so they turn to the dark side."
Benjamin got up, gathered his things and left the room. He looked over at Jaina and mouthed lake to her annd left the room slamming the door behind him.
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He was glad to return to the topic at hand. "Yes, you're correct. A Dark wizard isn't about belief systems, it is about actions. We know Grindelwald and Voldemort were both Dark. Can anyone explain how they link to the Knights?"
Emily thought about this for a while, she wasn't quite sure but she could see a link. "Well for starters Voldemort was a descendent of Slytherin- his heir so to speak".... Emily avoided mentioning the Chamber of Secrets...." and they were both ambitious. Slytherin wanted to protect the wizarding world from the threat of persecution, Voldemort on the other hand, wanted to rule the wizarding world- and the muggle world. Grindelwald like Voldemort was ambitious and wanted to rule the wizarding world. I guess the thing that links Voldemeort and Grindelwald to the Knights is that they used those same ideologies the gain support... to gain followers. Because without them they could not fulfil their ambitions. I suppose to an extent they may have actually sympathised with Slytherins ideologies, but for the wrong reasons, I think it would have been more out of disgust and loathing than out of fear. So rather than rallying supports for the same cause as the Knights, they rallied supporters to aid their rise to power. Thus changing the values of the Knights, their behavious, and ultimately their practises. That is how they became dark."
Emily considered what she had said... it all seemed to come so fast and she wasn't sure she answered the question... perhaps she waffled a bit.
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He was glad to return to the topic at hand. "Yes, you're correct. A Dark wizard isn't about belief systems, it is about actions. We know Grindelwald and Voldemort were both Dark. Can anyone explain how they link to the Knights?"
Vashti glanced up briefly from her note-taking, frowning while she did so, when she heard "points," "from," and "Ravenclaw" all in the same sentence. They were already way behind on the points board; point loss was the last thing they needed right now. Sigh.
After taking a couple more seconds to finish her current line in her notes, Vashti raised her hand to offer an answer. "Well, Voldemort started the Death Eaters, which formed from the Knights of Walpurgis as it's been said, so both groups' views were similar, but Voldemort and his Death Eaters were a lot more extreme and pretty much all of them used the Dark Arts." So they were pretty clearly linked. "Grindelwald...I don't think he completely hated Muggles or wanted to kill them all or anything - so he's a bit like the Knights since they also didn't want to get rid of all Muggles; they mainly just didn't want them to find out that magic was real and start up those persecutions and all sorts of horrible things again - but Grindelwald believed that wizards and witches should rule over the Muggles and he used the Dark Arts to try and achieve that. But maybe - could he have been a member of the Knights at some point?" Vashti hadn't read anything about it, but then, she also hadn't heard about the Knights of Walpurgis until now, so she supposed Grindelwald being a member could be possible. Maybe.
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"The Death Eaters grew out of a faction of the Knights of Walpurgis. Let's say... everyone in here likes ice cream. We have an Ice Cream Lovers club now. But some of you like sprinkles and some like chocolate sauce and a very very few of you like gravy on your ice cream. You start your own club, because the rest of us just can't agree to put gravy on our ice cream, although we all still agree that ice cream is great. Just because your little group likes gravy doesn't mean that we all like gravy or that we all think gravy is a good topping for ice cream. We can't assume that all Knights believed something because the small group of the Death Eaters did centuries later."
Nika nodded, this makes a lot more sense now."Oh, okay I get it! Thank you Professor for clearing things up. The analogy really helps!" Nika likes analogies because they make everything ten times easier. Especially when talking about magic. Although she is slowly learning more about it whenever someone relates it to something she knows more about she is able to know the true meaning.
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"Well in the case ofGrindlewald he wanted wizardstorule over muggles. This would go along with the knights of Walpurgis because they wanted to dowhatever ittakes tostop muggles frombeing able to persecute wizards. Sure Grindlewald was quite extreme in his vission but it still corellated with Knights of Walpurgis to gain his army cause if wizards rule over muggles they can't be persecuted by them. As for Voldemort and his deatheaters, Voldemort belived muggles to be scum and should be erradicated as wellas wanting to rule over everything forever asanimmortal ruler. Many members of the knights of Walpurgis easilly go for getting rid of muggles and mudboods, it was always there vission, but in thecase ofdeatheaters they tookit way too far. It's sad what a group that started as one that wanted to protect wizards from muggle persecussion turned into over the years.", Choe responded raising her hand.".
"There are extremists in any party," Tate shrugged. "But it's important to know what a group stands for and not to assume that what their fringe members believe stands in for everyone. That goes for many things in this life."
"Exactly, Ellie. The Knights were ensuring that Muggles weren't a threat to the magical community at large. Simple, isn't it? Funny how we've complicated it so over time."
"The Death Eaters grew out of a faction of the Knights of Walpurgis. Let's say... everyone in here likes ice cream. We have an Ice Cream Lovers club now. But some of you like sprinkles and some like chocolate sauce and a very very few of you like gravy on your ice cream. You start your own club, because the rest of us just can't agree to put gravy on our ice cream, although we all still agree that ice cream is great. Just because your little group likes gravy doesn't mean that we all like gravy or that we all think gravy is a good topping for ice cream. We can't assume that all Knights believed something because the small group of the Death Eaters did centuries later."
"We probably have an idea of their common beliefs, but you're right... we don't know why they all joined or what they all hoped to accomplish. I imagine some of them felt we could eventually live side by side with the Muggles, and some thought the Muggles had to go completely. But they could agree that magical society needed protecting."
"Maybe not 'against' Muggles, but certainly wary of them. Protective and secretive and occasionally paranoid," Tate hummed over that one. "But you're right about why we jump to the conclusion that all Knights were dark, or that Slytherin was up to Dark magic."
"I suspect there was a universal goal, protecting ALL magical people, but the best place to enact change is in your own back yard, right?"
"I'm sure you're right. Many different goals, and not all of them Dark. But it should probably be said that one doesn't have to be a Dark wizard to be up to no good. It's just that if they're a Dark wizard... they're DEFINITELY up to no good."
"Probably so... in their own backyard, they'd want to make sure the magical community was absolutely safe and absolutely distinct."
"Exactly where they come in," Tate mused. "I suspect if we thought about it, we'd realize that Muggleborns and Halfbloods have just as much reason to desire secrecy and protection as purebloods, just as much a reason to want to learn spells and to seek safety. But in the heat of the moment, when we fear for our lives... who can tell how we'll react?"
"Go," Tate waved at the door. If the boy wanted to forfeit class participation points, it was his right.
"No, not true," Tate was glad the girl had recognized the myth as just that... a supposition. "Some probably did pursue Darker and Darker magics. At one time, Grindelwald held the interest of some of the Knights, and later, Voldemort did. These wizards both pursued new avenues of magic and would have led their followers down dark dark paths."
"A good summation, lad," Tate agreed.
"Perhaps so," Tate agreed. "And also a good summation. I hope your classmates are taking good notes."
Tate was not amused. "No, child. In this class, we learn the past so we do not repeat it's mistakes and we look at our surroundings with clarity and discernment so that we can stay safe and alive. It isn't puppy dogs and rainbows, and if you find it too frightening, then you don't have to attend. But while you're here, you will stay in your seat and not hiss at your classmates like the Slytherin Basilisk everyone seems so keen to discuss."
He pointed toward her chair, indicating she needed to return to it. "And five points from Ravenclaw for the distraction."
"Must we end class in order to give each other hugs and sing Muggle campfire songs while holding hands? Do you need marshmallows for this party?" He glared at the girl, zapping the note from her hand with his wand and turning it into a pile of ashes.
"Five from Hufflepuff, and the next distraction or person leaving their seat will result in the end of the class period."
He was glad to return to the topic at hand. "Yes, you're correct. A Dark wizard isn't about belief systems, it is about actions. We know Grindelwald and Voldemort were both Dark. Can anyone explain how they link to the Knights?"
trying to keep in his writing then the 5 from the puffs snaped him out of it with a quick dagger look for the girl "Sir is this a case where the victors write the history if it had gone The dark lords way The order of the phoenix would have been the bad guys and the DA would have been a group of rebellious students who attacked a Headmaster. Is that why we dont know, the victor kind of swept it under the rug with the knights we know of them but we dont know about them "
Ellie! Heh. He called her Ellie! Tate was significantly less scary now.
"Well, if the Death Eaters did spawn from the Knights, then that would be related to Voldemort." Obviously. "But Grindelwald..." She didn't know much about him. "Didn't he want to protect the wizarding community from muggles? Like the Knights?" Perhaps? She really didn't know much about that fellow, though. Other than it made her think 'grindylow'.
They sounded similar.
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"Let me see if I can summarize what you've said," Tate ticked off the points on one hand. "We know that Voldemort, at least, was a descendant of Slytherin. The group may have had an affinity for him for that reason, although I doubt they needed an excuse. Both Voldemort and Grindelwald had an interest in pureblood supremacy. Grindelwald's philosophy was one of dominance over Muggles, while Voldemort's was more about elimination and oppression. I think Emily put it best, in that they used the Knights' ideologies to gain followers and were thus able to pluck from that group those who were best in line with what they believed. But they were willing to use Dark magics to get to those goals."
He paused, considering. "I had hoped to spend some time playing a little game today, but it appears we've run much longer than I intended. Let's leave it here, and we'll have a more active class next time. I promise we'll have a very exciting lesson. Maybe even wands," he grinned, knowing there had been initial disappointment at the lack of wands at the beginning of class.
"You're dismissed for now, although I want you to think about this... if the Death Eaters were an offspring group of the Knights of Walpurgis formed of extreme views, what has happened to the rest of the Knights? No answer necessary... just think about it. I'll have your homework posted shortly and you'll have 7 days to complete it."
"Let me see if I can summarize what you've said," Tate ticked off the points on one hand. "We know that Voldemort, at least, was a descendant of Slytherin. The group may have had an affinity for him for that reason, although I doubt they needed an excuse. Both Voldemort and Grindelwald had an interest in pureblood supremacy. Grindelwald's philosophy was one of dominance over Muggles, while Voldemort's was more about elimination and oppression. I think Emily put it best, in that they used the Knights' ideologies to gain followers and were thus able to pluck from that group those who were best in line with what they believed. But they were willing to use Dark magics to get to those goals."
He paused, considering. "I had hoped to spend some time playing a little game today, but it appears we've run much longer than I intended. Let's leave it here, and we'll have a more active class next time. I promise we'll have a very exciting lesson. Maybe even wands," he grinned, knowing there had been initial disappointment at the lack of wands at the beginning of class.
"You're dismissed for now, although I want you to think about this... if the Death Eaters were an offspring group of the Knights of Walpurgis formed of extreme views, what has happened to the rest of the Knights? No answer necessary... just think about it. I'll have your homework posted shortly and you'll have 7 days to complete it."
putting the last bits on his notes Thanks proffessor I learnd loads Really great to have a civil debate "grabbing his bag he head for the door to wait on his friends
This had to have been on of the best DADA lessons ever.
Patroclus had at first been quite put off by the fact that there were to be no wands, but after what he had just experience, the Prefect could not have been more happy to hear 'Wands away'.
What the class had discussed, though rather heated at times, had his mind reeling, so many thought provoking answers, so many conflicting ideas, yet so many unifying perspectives as well. And the Knights of Walpurgis....well that was just rather frightening.
To think that somewhere, bidding their time, or even slowly chipping away, the Knights of Walpurgis were out there, ready to pounce at any second, to be honest rather concerned Patroclus.
Rolling up his scroll, and put it and his quil and inks into his bag, the LionBoy remarked to the Professor, "Sir that has got to be one of the most interesting lesson I have partaken in...ever." Grinning brighly, "Seriously it was awesome!
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"Let me see if I can summarize what you've said," Tate ticked off the points on one hand. "We know that Voldemort, at least, was a descendant of Slytherin. The group may have had an affinity for him for that reason, although I doubt they needed an excuse. Both Voldemort and Grindelwald had an interest in pureblood supremacy. Grindelwald's philosophy was one of dominance over Muggles, while Voldemort's was more about elimination and oppression. I think Emily put it best, in that they used the Knights' ideologies to gain followers and were thus able to pluck from that group those who were best in line with what they believed. But they were willing to use Dark magics to get to those goals."
He paused, considering. "I had hoped to spend some time playing a little game today, but it appears we've run much longer than I intended. Let's leave it here, and we'll have a more active class next time. I promise we'll have a very exciting lesson. Maybe even wands," he grinned, knowing there had been initial disappointment at the lack of wands at the beginning of class.
"You're dismissed for now, although I want you to think about this... if the Death Eaters were an offspring group of the Knights of Walpurgis formed of extreme views, what has happened to the rest of the Knights? No answer necessary... just think about it. I'll have your homework posted shortly and you'll have 7 days to complete it."
Aww class done already. Nika had just started to get a hang of things. Nika gathered up her things and walked towards her professor. "Thank you so much Professor! I feel like I have learned a whole lot already. It was a great lesson," she said smiling.
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A game?! Class is over and they were going to play a game?! WHAT?!
BOO.
Ellie put away her quill and blank parchment. What did they even need to get it out for?
And she listened to the 'think about' thing. Not that she'd think about it. But it was kind of hard not to, when you think about not thinking about it.
Meh, logic.
She picked up her bag and walked to the door. "See you Professor."
YEAH. She actually spoke to him. Progress was happening. BEAM.
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Jim had been quiet for the last part of the lesson, expression thoughtful. He'd been ignoring the theatrics of the ittle baby students and lost himself in his own wonderings about all this Walpurgis stuff.
He didn't even quite register that the lesson had been dismissed. What happened to the rest of the knights? There were things he knew in a vague sort of way. That sort of way where its not all that important when you hear about it in passing, but then later something comes up that makes you wish you paid more attention.
After a moment he pulled a copy of the Quibbler out of his bag and read through it, frowning to himself.
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He was glad to return to the topic at hand. "Yes, you're correct. A Dark wizard isn't about belief systems, it is about actions. We know Grindelwald and Voldemort were both Dark. Can anyone explain how they link to the Knights?"
Luin nodded, jotting everything else down in her notes. She then listened to some of the other answers given by the students. She thought about it for a little while, "For one, as it has been mentioned, Voldemort was the heir of Slytherin so from that there are obvious familial ties, although he never actually knew his family. He probably read up on the history about the Knights of Walpurgis once he knew that he was Slytherin's heir and then put two and two together like we did earlier in the class. He did gather his followers, although mainly from his time as a student, but we cannot be sure about all of the death eaters, no one can be sure of Voldemort's ways. As for Grindelwald, he did attend Durmstrang and could have looked up everything when he was a student. It was said that he also started gathering followers during his time there. There was also the friendship between Grindelwald and Dumbledore when they were younger. They could have found that information during that time as both were brilliant wizards. These are all mainly just speculations though."
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Luin smiled and then gathered up her things. She went up to Tate as she headed out and said, "Thank you for the class Professor." she then headed out the door, still intrigued by all of the different conclusions they had come up with.
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Arya had been listening quietly for the last portion of the lesson. Mostly because she didn't have much to contribute to the discussion. It was a lot of information to absorb, some bits seeming vaguely familiar, but not really clicking in her mind.
It was a moment before she realized the lesson was being concluded, and when she had acknowledged that, the young girl packed up her belongings, mind still racing with what had been said and Tate's final question. "That was an interesting lesson, Headmaster." They all seemed to be interesting this term. "See you at the next one." Swinging her bag over her shoulder, she smiled at the man before heading out, and waiting for her friends in the corridor.
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Having sat quietly for the rest of the time after her smallllll contribution to the discussion, writing a few notes every now and then, the Slytherin girl finally place down her quill and listened as the headmaster summed up what everyone had spoken about.
Well, that certainly was interesting. Not to mention an interesting question he left them with. Perhaps there were still 'Knights of Walpurgis' still walking around to this day? But then that left the question of who were they?
Feeling herself frowning more then smiling throughout the lesson, Evelyn packed up her things and stood up from her seat, stretching her back and letting out a long sigh. She needed to go find Josh. He looked rather unhappy that she didn't leave the class with him. Besides, she could have sworn she heard him say something when he left, though it was rather quiet.
"Goodbye, Headmaster. Great lesson." she muttered on the way out, taking a brief glance to him with a smile before heading out the door. Yes, brief. She was still rather...irritated.
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"Let me see if I can summarize what you've said," Tate ticked off the points on one hand. "We know that Voldemort, at least, was a descendant of Slytherin. The group may have had an affinity for him for that reason, although I doubt they needed an excuse. Both Voldemort and Grindelwald had an interest in pureblood supremacy. Grindelwald's philosophy was one of dominance over Muggles, while Voldemort's was more about elimination and oppression. I think Emily put it best, in that they used the Knights' ideologies to gain followers and were thus able to pluck from that group those who were best in line with what they believed. But they were willing to use Dark magics to get to those goals."
He paused, considering. "I had hoped to spend some time playing a little game today, but it appears we've run much longer than I intended. Let's leave it here, and we'll have a more active class next time. I promise we'll have a very exciting lesson. Maybe even wands," he grinned, knowing there had been initial disappointment at the lack of wands at the beginning of class.
"You're dismissed for now, although I want you to think about this... if the Death Eaters were an offspring group of the Knights of Walpurgis formed of extreme views, what has happened to the rest of the Knights? No answer necessary... just think about it. I'll have your homework posted shortly and you'll have 7 days to complete it."
Emily listened intently, jotting down the last of her notes as Professor Tate wrapped up the lesson. She thoroughly enjoyed the lesson and was disappointed to have to leave. Slowly she gathered her things and placed them in her bag. "Thanks for the great lesson professor", she said smiling as she left the room, she cuouldn't wait to get started on the homework.
"Let me see if I can summarize what you've said," Tate ticked off the points on one hand. "We know that Voldemort, at least, was a descendant of Slytherin. The group may have had an affinity for him for that reason, although I doubt they needed an excuse. Both Voldemort and Grindelwald had an interest in pureblood supremacy. Grindelwald's philosophy was one of dominance over Muggles, while Voldemort's was more about elimination and oppression. I think Emily put it best, in that they used the Knights' ideologies to gain followers and were thus able to pluck from that group those who were best in line with what they believed. But they were willing to use Dark magics to get to those goals."
He paused, considering. "I had hoped to spend some time playing a little game today, but it appears we've run much longer than I intended. Let's leave it here, and we'll have a more active class next time. I promise we'll have a very exciting lesson. Maybe even wands," he grinned, knowing there had been initial disappointment at the lack of wands at the beginning of class.
"You're dismissed for now, although I want you to think about this... if the Death Eaters were an offspring group of the Knights of Walpurgis formed of extreme views, what has happened to the rest of the Knights? No answer necessary... just think about it. I'll have your homework posted shortly and you'll have 7 days to complete it."
The Double Threat (Professor/Headmaster Tate) had gotten all the main points into one there and had done a prettygood job of it honestly. Riley nodded his head and then took into consideration the closing idea. That was definately worth a ponder.....sometime later because he was starving and there was a pack of ice mice in his dorm calling his name.
The Gryffindor stood up from his chair and packed his things. He pulled his robes tight around his torso as he moved to the front of the chilly DADA classroom and then waved to Tate as he passed him. "Good-bye Headmaster, hope you have a good rest of the day." Then the 6th year left the room.