...."Maybe she's right" Raven mummured


Raven heard what Emily said, he didn't resist to say "And do you think who's worthy of learning Dark Arts, even in Ministry or School wizards and Witches" Raven replied, smiling

hearing the debate go back and forth "Did he have brothers the name could have passed down through them and people being people used his name to up their social standing hearing Jakes side comment " naw he went into Used Basilisk sells at Salazars Slytherins Used Snake and Basilisk Emporium"

Lexi listened to Tatertot and the class talk about Salazar Slytherin and what he may have done after leaving Hogwarts. "Perhaps he lived happily ever after in a far off land with a lovely lady and decided that purging the Wizarding World of Muggleborns was a bad idea after all," she offered with a little snort. She was really feeling yuckier and yuckier as the class wore on. She found herself leaning a bit toward Jim.

Tate thought, for one precious moment, that the Gryffindor boy had learned his lesson. He had offered an insightful if sarcastic answer, and he had shown that he was paying attention.

He was even willing to ignore the glaring.

He was not, however, willing to ignore the blatant rudeness as the boy rose and moved through the class, distracting his classmates. "Another five from Gryffindor, and you are excused from this class. You may submit homework to redeem the house points you've lost, but you may not continue here and disrupt your classmates."

"And five from Slytherin. You can leave as well, unless you think you can restrain yourself from chatting while we're having a discussion," Tate gave the girl a flat look. Honestly. Honestly... we expect more of you, She-snake.

"And as for you two," he turned on the students holding an urgent yet silent conversation. "You should reconsider your actions before you lose points as well. Focus on the subject at hand."

"I'm not opposed to your opinions specifically, but to any that include wrong information or harmful assumptions based on half-truths. You were citing information which is NOT from Hogwarts, A History, and if you gleaned it from your mother, than her education has failed her. Let us say, instead, that you know your facts, but you were trying to elaborate and strayed from them. I'm willing to concede that you have probably read some of the texts, but you need to be willing to concede that I am the authority in this classroom."

"I think we've found the direction I was aiming toward," Tate smiled as the girls offered similar suggestions. "While I admire the logic and reasoning many of you used to consider where Slytherin went next, and I think it WOULD be logical to assume that where one school failed, he might try another, we have the ability to track his actual movements once he departed from this halls."

Tate considered for a moment before continuing, "Following this expulsion, so to speak, Slytherin began to gather to himself those who were likeminded. He may have happened upon a few members of a group already in existance... their history is spotty, but what we DO know is that he became the rallying point for those interested in protecting the Wizarding world from Muggle dangers. Consider those clues... the time period, their mission. Can anyone think what that group might have been?"

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Kurumi nodded as Salander spoke. This was a change. He wasn't being all witty, but was actually giving genuine and intelligent responses. Kurumi smiled. He did bring up a very valid points. "I wonder who he found worthy enough to bear his children," she said more thinking aloud than anything. She had read something in some wizarding tabloid from way back that had mentioned some rather ridiculous theory. "I read somewhere that he fancied Rowena Ravenclaw," Kurumi said blushing knowing that people were most likely going to laugh at her innocence. "Rowena Ravenclaw did died at a relatively young age and the legend is that it was because of a broken heart.

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"You can DIE of a broken heart?" Sure Neptune had heard the story, being HER House and all, but....

.... really? That could happen? It wasn't particularly relevant to class, but it was pretty good THING to know. She... did not look around and stared hard at her desk, deep in thought.

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Jake blinked and glanced around at the young boy, setting his jaw firmly as he did so. That was pretty much exactly what he'd said, wasn't it. And Jake wasn't THAT bothered... except he was.

...

It makes sense!



In any case, Jake was still set in his belief about the giant deadly snake. He smiled slightly and looked down at Neptune. "Maybe he became a Basilisk breeder."

Snicker.

...UNTIL Jake reigned her back in. She griiiiiiinned. "I am going to picture him in overalls and a straw hat from hence forth." Because that's what snake breeders wore, obviously.

SPOILER!!: Touz was late w/answer

She finally raised her hand.


"Since an entire House got his namesake, and we still sort today using the qualities he chose - and one must assume possess - then it's probably safe to say that he did what any Slytherin would do: Sought revenge!"

Lullz.

Just kidding. Neptune giggled. "But seriously, I'm sure he didn't roll over, get a wife and settle. Slytherin had goals, he probably found a way to keep on... keeping on."

She raised her hand again. "A group already in existence? So he found new friends?" Some people just made friends SO easily. Neptune found it kind of hard sometimes. "I would say the Death Eaters, but the time period doesn't fit at all." Shrug.

"Uhhh... the Knights of Walpurgis... possibly? I mean, literally the first ever group before it started to evolve... to the Death Eaters," Jake attempted, looking unsure of his own answer.

"You know... I think my dad has that exact outfit."

Or was it his mother?

Heh.

Luin thought on this for awhile, hmmm, some group name was just on her tongue and she just couldn't think of it. She resisted the urge to grab a book and start flipping through it. She thought, Hmmm...Walrus, Wall.....ah!! Walpurgis, the Knights of Walpurgis! Finally she had it, she remember hearing about that before, although the couldn't remember at the time. She raised her hand, "Perhaps the Knights of Walpurgis? All of the clues seem to line up. The Knights of Walpurgis were founded around that age to protect us from Muggle persecution. Except, then we instated the statute of wizarding secrecy and they weren't 'needed' anymore I guess. It makes sense, I've heard the Death Eaters were supposed to be the same, or descended from them or something."

Embracing a sudden burst of confidence, Charley tried to moderate her tone of voice.

Sometimes you shouldn't say what you are thinking.

"I have read the texts, and not some of them. I've nearly memorised even the second-year textbooks; It is much more convenient to know more than necessary rather than less.
And, it would be absolutely ridiculous to presume you were not the authority in this class; I completely acknowledge that. If you weren't, you would likely have far worse problems than students you consider disrespectful, and my intention is to totally refrain from being one of them. However, when I have been taught something, I'm not one to sit and sulk if someone contradicts that or invalidates how I have been taught, regardless of that person's position. If I strayed from fact, it was most certainly not on purpose, and that goes for my mother as well. If what I have been taught is, in fact, incorrect, I would much prefer to learn how, so that I can mend those mistakes. I also fail to see how trying to see both sides of the story leads to making harmful assumptions."
She continued to look at him as she thought about his query to the class, half-expectantly and half-inquisitively, and as her heartbeat continued to increase. She had very rarely spoken out against even her fellow classmates back at home, but everything had changed once she got on the Express. Suddenly she'd become so much more able to say what she was thinking.
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"Professor, I would think that his...followers, if you will, were members of esteemed pureblood families, many of them likely his hand-picked students. Also likely that the lot of them evolved into the Knights of Walpurgis and later the Death Eaters, when many well-regarded pureblood families were allied with Voldemort, especially the...Black and Malfoy families."

Merlin's Beard...

*Blink*

What?

Her eyebrows raised in surprise at the sudden loss of points and...invitation to leave the room. Restrain herself from chatting. A few whispers weren't going to destroy one's ability to learn. Taking a quick glance to Josh since he really didn't have a choice on whether or not he could stay, the Slytherin girl blinked a few times more as she took in a large breath. There went her points for helping the groundskeeper. "I'd like to stay, if that's alright."

Asked to leave a class...pfft.

...

Hmm, she had no clue really until Jake spoke up. THAT group? Meh?

"I thought the Knights of Walpurgis was the time period of all the...death eaters and stuff." It didn't seem ALL that interesting so she didn't read up on it. Could be true. What with it being the group Headmaster meanie Tate was talking about.

Hmwhut?

"The Death Eaters kind of evolved out of the Knights of Walpurgis... ideals changed and stuff, I guess. But... evolution... yeah."

He could still be wrong.

"Plus... the term 'knights' is quite mediaeval, right? So... it is kind of logical."

He totally just noticed that.

Wel, now Tate had officially lost young Arya. She knew her basic history, but anything beyond the basics was lost to the Hufflepuff. She was paying attention though, eyes flicking to each person as they spoke about Syltherin and his post-Hogwarts history. Her eyes lingered on Jake a bit longer than usual. Knights? She didn't remember reading about any group that contained the word Knights, but then again, she didn't do much reading of magical history, least of all that time period.

To say that Sierra was a little shocked to hear the professor's reply to her would be a serious understatement. Well, maybe not a serious one, but the fact still remained that she was a bit surprised to realize that she'd pretty much hit the nail on the head with her answer. She'd felt so young and so small trying to speak up during this big discussion. She returned the professor's smile with a small smile of her own.

She had absolutely no idea what group the headmaster was speaking about. Maybe if she heard the name, she'd recognize them, though. When Jake Morgan spoke up, Sierra immediately turned her head in his direction. "Oh, the Knights of Walpurgis! I've heard of them," she chimed in. "Well, my father's mentioned them before, at least. I don't know about the time periods or anything, but...I, too, thought the group was pretty much one and the same with the Death Eaters."

...and did Slytherin just lose house points?! Bahh! She could care less about the Gryffindor dropping points left and right, but those five from Slytherin resulted in a slight frown on Sierra's face.

Lexi couldn't say that anything the people were saying sounded even VAGUELY familiar. And her family had been mostly Slytherin's... and long desceded from a very Dark wizarding family. Knights... sounded like dudes on horses with lances and such. Made no sense. That isn't to say that her interest wasn't piqued. Learning something she had never run across in ANY of her history classes or reading on her own... THAT was awesome. Almost made her tummy feel less queasy. Not quite though.

"The two groups are the same. The 'Knights of Walpurgis' is the name they had originally; they changed it sometime between the First and Second Wizarding Wars, before Voldemort's return."

Emily raised her hand uncertainly, "Professor was Slytherin a part of Knights of Walpurgis?" Emily found this quite interesting, especially since the death eaters sor of evolved out of the knights of walpurgis... so in a way you could even say he was like a death eater... sort of... with a little stretch of the truth.

"That is exactly the answer I was looking for," Tate was very pleased with Jake's performance during this class, and he gave him an approving nod.

"Exactly. What we know of the Knights of Walpurgis put their founding at or just after that of Hogwarts. The Death Eaters, a group of Dark Wizards that came about during the first rise of Voldemort, were an off-shoot of that group," Tate agreed. "The Statute might have made their original reason for existence less important, but they continued to exist for the next three hundred years. Some would say... they still exist."

He waited for the temper tantrum to subside before responding to her comments having to do with the topic they were discussing. "I think you're probably right. He would only have trusted those from all magical families to join his group, being ever wary of spies and outside influences."

"And I would like you to stay as well," Tate offered her a tight smile at her sudden attention to the topic. "As for your query... the history of the Knights spans almost a thousand years, although little is known of them due to the secretive nature of their organization. The Death Eaters came later, formed from a sub-group of the Knights who were hungry for power and pureblood dominance."

"Not exactly one and the same. It's important to remember that the Death Eaters rose from the ranks of the Knights, but their beliefs are not all in line with one another. We'll discuss that in a moment."

"I think you could say that he was a founding member of that organization," Tate considered.

"So going by what we know to be true, that of Slytherin's wariness and secretive nature, what conclusions can we draw about the motivating forces of these Knights? What were their beliefs? What did they stand for?"

Riley furrowed his brow in thought for a few moments. The Gryffindor didn't want to shout out just any stupid answer. Well seeing as, how the legend goes, the Cult of Walpurgis was beleived to stem the Death Eaters....

"Professor, wasn't the Cult of Walpurgis obsessed with Muggles?" that didn't sound right. "I mean, weren't they wary of them? They didn't want Muggles to know the powers of our magic." he finished unsurely.

Knights of Wal-iwhat?

Sure, Ellie MIGHT have heard of them at SOME point in her life, but she didn't KNOW about them. Really. At all. They sounded really cool, though. She wanted to be a knight.

Huzzah! And swish, swish!

"That only purebloods should be taught magic. Which totally made sense. Back then. Like we talked about already." So no need to get into that again, right?

Besides, all kinds of blood lineage magical people are taught now. Like her mommy.

"I believe we can assume that the Knights were obsessed with blood purity and were therefore definitely against muggle borns becoming part of our society. I believe though that they would have masked their actual prejudice behind rational explanations about why we should be separate from muggles, using fear tactics most likely to persuade people to believe as they did. That muggles, and muggle borns are dangerous to us, and that we therefore should be kept separate from those who may, and were, doing us harm." Sakura answered, tone unsure. It was probably the right answer, but if it wasn't she didn't want to sound overly confident.

Emily nodded as she took down notes. Founding member...founding member... she repeated to herself in her head.

Emily raised her hand, "Well they obviously believed that magical learning should remain within magical families, in order to protect them from persecution because muggle borns and those with non-magic heritage or even to an extent mixed heritage were deemed untrustworthy because they may hold true to their ancestors- which of course would go against the wizarding community."

Nika had no idea. She is a muggle-born so for most of the lesson so far she kept quiet. Upon hearing the question she smiled and raised her hand. If the Knights of Walpurgis happened to believe in what they were discussing early it's not that hard to figure out what the stand for. "Well Professor, I am not actually sure, but I am going to guess that they were really into the dark arts and they believed that muggles and muggleborns should be eliminated. Basically I think that they believe in order to be worth something you must be a pureblood." She finished looking at the professor hoping that he would acknowledge her answer.

Nodding just once, Sierra tried to let the many different facts she was hearing sink deeply into her brain. Her knowledge of this Knights of Walpurgis group was pretty small, despite the fact she'd heard her father mention something about them once or twice before.

Nevertheless, it didn't seem all that difficult to piece things together and make a decent conclusion. So if Salazar Slytherin was connected to this group somehow, and if he possibly sought them out after his plans for Hogwarts failed, then...

"So this group also believed that pure-bloods were better?" Sierra half-asked, half-suggested. "So they would have aligned themselves with Slytherin's way of thinking when it came to who should or shouldn't attend Hogwarts."

Claire decided to conrtibute to this discussion, adding onto Emily's answer.
"Yes... but I think it went further than just ideologies... I've always imagined the Knights of Walpurgis to be this sort of rebel army group who would- sort of like the death eaters- terrorise families of mixed blood and seek out muggle borns to.... end them... sort of... but then again I might just be completely wrong and they may have sat around a table drinking butterbeer and talking about how much they just disliked the whole mixed heritage idea." Claire began to trail off... she was probably dead set wrong, but she liked her idea... it was different.
"Maybe they went around on broomsticks abducted owls that were sent to deliver Hogwarts letters to muggleborns...."

"I believe you mean the Knights. The Knights of Walpurgis. The, er... Cult is another thing." For the first time, Tate felt a rising panic. He was probably making a mistake teaching this class at all.

"But the Knights were concerned about Muggles for sure, especially in keeping magic from them."

"Magic should be limited to those of magical lineage," Tate added it to their list and hoped everyone was taking good notes.

"I'll add... they believed Muggles and Muggleborns were dangerous and that we should keep separated from them out of self-preservation," Tate agreed with that point and ignored the rest as speculation. Hadn't she been paying attention at all?

"Yes, exactly," Tate nodded at the girl.

"Better, perhaps. Safer, definitely."

"I'm glad you brought that up. Not that it's true, but the whole Dark Arts aspect... we discussed Dark Wizards earlier. But have we said anything in what Slytherin believed and what the Knights stood for to indicate they were Dark Wizards?"

not knowing about the Knights Mikey looked at the 2 girls " so where they like the Germans during WWII. A small group that rallied behind one guy waving a banner under the pretense of futhering the magical cause"