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There was a brisk snap to the air in the unheated classroom as Tate set himself up at the desk in the front of the room and tightened the scarf still tied around his neck. Once the fire in the corner did its job, the room would be much more comfortable, and he would be able to remove the scarf and get his fingers working normally again.

The fireplace was surely enchanted, because it wasn't long before feeling returned to his hands and the room felt almost cheery with warmth. Almost. It was still a little nippy, but would surely warm through the class period. Tate flicked his wand at the door, letting it swing open to admit students to Defense Against the Dark Arts.
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"Yes, Wilkes! Good." Tate approved of that little bit of reasoning. This place wasn't merely hallowed halls of learning. It was built solidly, defensively. It was clearly intended to protect.

"Before the Statute, so we were living together at that time. A mixed society, relatively, of magical and non-magical kind. And so the four Founders created this school with the specific purpose of hiding away magical children and providing them with a safe, healthy place for learning. Can you think why they may have been cautious about who they would admit to the school?"
Selina raised her hand, "Like everyone else mentioned, sir. The Muggle and Magical cooperation was in turmoil. Muggles were, previous to the Statue, growing increasingly afraid of Magical abilities and those who possessed them. To admit Muggle borns, which was not wanted by Slytherin, had the potential to be a threat. A concentrated amount of young children whose parents were afraid of such powers could rebel against Magic. Some might have believed it would have been safer to simply just eliminate this issue by not allowing such students to attend. But this obviously was not the case and how history worked out. We now have a mixture of students from all different backgrounds." Selina herself was a mut of all different types of blood: Muggle-born, Half-blood, and pure.
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He moved back to his desk and seated himself on the lip, giving them all a long and thoughtful look. "We'll do a case study, familiarize ourselves with a specific group of Dark Wizards and look at how they came to be what they are. What can you tell me about Salazar Slytherin?"
Belle remembered learning a little bit of salzar slytherin "Professor, all i know is that he was a parseltongue and that is why there is a serpent on the crest.."

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Belle thought about this for a moment and wrote down her answer on paper first. "They were cautious because the connection between the muggle and magical was very delicate. They didn't think muggles and half bloods could be trusted with the knowledge of magic. They might have thought they could mis use it and have to much control. The secret could of have been told and havoic would of been created and everyone wants to come to the school."

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For once, Benjain didn't answer. It wasn't because he was mad or anything. He simply didn't know the answer to the question. He never studied muggle histoy, but he was sure that Jaina knew the answer to this question. He looked a her and waited for her hand to rise, but it hadn't yet.
Jaina sheepishly raise her hand. "Um, I'm not sure when Hogwarts was founded, but would it have been during the Dark Ages? That was an age in which muggles were not very intelligent and, well believed in mythical creatures, or what we as wizards and witches know as real creatures. There were lords and ladies and knights fighting dragons. There was Robin Hood who stole from the rich to give to the poor. I believe it was before or during the crusades." She glanced over at Benjamin to see if the answer at least sounded good.
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Kurumi listened to all the answers her classmates gave and, instead of essentially repeating what they had already said in very efficient words, Kurumi posed a question. "Professor, as my classmates pointed out, there was most likely a fear that the school would be put in jeopardy were the wrong muggleborn or half blood student admitted to the school," there, she had finally used the term. "Could that possibly have been a reason why Salazar Slytherin was so insistent on letting only pureblood students into Hogwarts?" Just, he had been a little too vocal and gone about it the wrong way, perhaps?
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Nika looked around the room. She was very nervous and kept quiet so far. She thought she better say something so that her professor would know that she was listening. She heard him ask many questions and she listened to each and everyone. This is Nika's first year and she is a muggleborn so she doesn't know too much about magic and the wizarding world quite yet. She finally heard a question that she was sure she could at least guess right. "Um Professor I think that they are cautious about those how they admit here because it's already risky enough to tell people about magic. And they probably don't want to tell the wrong people and have the word spread." Nika thought about her answer. The little 11 year old girl wasn't quite satisfied with it, but it would have to do for now.
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Belle remembered learning a little bit of salzar slytherin "Professor, all i know is that he was a parseltongue and that is why there is a serpent on the crest.."
Charley had been sitting quietly near her friend for the lesson so far, but decided to speak up to elaborate.
"Well, Professor, Salazar Slytherin was one of the first recorded parselmouths, also an accomplished Legilimens. He believed that only purebloods should be allowed to attend Hogwarts. That's why he left; he got into a long-standing argument with Godric Gryffindor. He also built the Chamber of Secrets. He had hoped that the monster in it-when his true heir opened it, that is-would kill all the muggleborn students. That didn't quite turn out how he'd planned, though; Harry Potter defeated the basilisk-the monster-in his....second? year at Hogwarts. 1993, I think. His locket also was made into a Horcrux by Voldemort, also destroyed, likely by Harry Potter."
Her almost boundless knowledge ran out, and she slouched back uncomfortably.
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"Yes, absolutely right," Tate agreed. "We spoke earlier about how being burnt at the stake wasn't really as dangerous as the Muggles would think... but that's only true if you know the charm to freeze a flame. And persecution is persecution, whether they manage to hurt you or not."



Tate nodded at the girl. "Exactly. The school was created by all four Founders to be a safe place for children to come together and learn. And not just any children, but specifically magical children, because they were the ones who were most at risk." And she was probably right that the Founders also had a love of learning they wished to share. Why else create a school?



"Yes, Wilkes! Good." Tate approved of that little bit of reasoning. This place wasn't merely hallowed halls of learning. It was built solidly, defensively. It was clearly intended to protect.

"Before the Statute, so we were living together at that time. A mixed society, relatively, of magical and non-magical kind. And so the four Founders created this school with the specific purpose of hiding away magical children and providing them with a safe, healthy place for learning. Can you think why they may have been cautious about who they would admit to the school?"
trying to rember his HoM class "wernt they also trying to build up all parts of the magical society not just education but Law and they needed a place that would teach a uniformed form of education of things that should be taught and things that you should not do ,,,to come out of the DARK ages so to speak"
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Charley had been sitting quietly near her friend for the lesson so far, but decided to speak up to elaborate.
"Well, Professor, Salazar Slytherin was one of the first recorded parselmouths, also an accomplished Legilimens. He believed that only purebloods should be allowed to attend Hogwarts. That's why he left; he got into a long-standing argument with Godric Gryffindor. He also built the Chamber of Secrets. He had hoped that the monster in it-when his true heir opened it, that is-would kill all the muggleborn students. That didn't quite turn out how he'd planned, though; Harry Potter defeated the basilisk-the monster-in his....second? year at Hogwarts. 1993, I think. His locket also was made into a Horcrux by Voldemort, also destroyed, likely by Harry Potter."
Her almost boundless knowledge ran out, and she slouched back uncomfortably.
Belle heard charley, she waved to her and smiled after she said all her info to the professor. "Trying to show off huh?" she said jokingly. But she hugged her for saving her. "There was some parts i didn't know about him actually."
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Jake knew that for sure.


But moving on. "Well... like what I said earlier. They were learning the magic and stuff, right? And the muggles were more scared than ever of stuff they didn't understand, sooooo... magic. What if they let a young muggle in who was intent on letting others in, or hurting those inside. Like... infiltration. I mean, that may have been what they believed."

Jake could just imagine himself being there, untrained and magicless; Welcome... to the second line of defence.
"I think that was the crux of the worry," Tate agreed. "Some may have worried that persecution would follow into these walls. They needed to be wary about who they permitted to enter. I doubt they worried about Muggles, because Muggles were easy to spot."

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Emily raised her hand, "Well I suppose they would ahve had to be carefull when admitting students with non-magical heritage because whilst the child exhibited magical qualities, their families may have responded in a negative manner... which would then have jeapardised the saftey of the students and staff of the school. So really if you think about it that way, Slytherin had every right to not want muggle borns admitted into the school."
"Ah, yes. Not Muggles, but those magical students from non-magical backgrounds. They had families to worry about, inbred hatreds, prejudices... all the things we learn from those around us before we're old enough to know better. I think that Slytherin may have had a good point, to be honest. Who do you trust?"

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"Well its not like they'd want spies." Jim pointed out. "And with no statute, any muggleborn student would be free to share what they knew with their muggle families, whether they wanted to or not. A different kind of persecution." He thought about it a bit more. "It could have been a risk. Take any 100 muggleborn students, it'd only take one to compromise the safety of the wizarding children -all of them, since probably muggleborns would be persecuted the same way in the long run- and therefore, the future of wizardkind."

So maybe Salazar Slytherin had a whole lot more foresight than people gave him credit for. "It was almost 700 years after Hogwarts was founded that the statute was established as law, and thats a long time to hide a school, and keep people safe from harm."
"I'd hate to have been Headmaster back then, to be honest. I want to keep you lot safe, and it's hard enough when we're completely hidden here. There would have been a very real concern about spies, for sure."

And Wilkes had surprising depth to him.

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"The most obvious answer would be because of the persecution they suffered at the hands of muggles. If they admitted the wrong student the location of the school could be jeopardised, and therefore the lives of the youth who lived and learnt here would be placed in danger. I think they were worried more about the parents, or non-immediate family of the students than the students themselves. With the spread of religion as well if you got a religious zealot admitted to the school they may try to kill people because they believed that magic was wrong, making them a danger not only to others but themselves." Or at least that would be why Sakura would be prejudiced or selective about who she let into a place.
Tate nodded as the girl added to what the others had said. "With any positive belief or passion, there are those who take it too far. We can see that even within our own world." And... he'd leave it at that. Yup.

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Kurumi listened to all the answers her classmates gave and, instead of essentially repeating what they had already said in very efficient words, Kurumi posed a question. "Professor, as my classmates pointed out, there was most likely a fear that the school would be put in jeopardy were the wrong muggleborn or half blood student admitted to the school," there, she had finally used the term. "Could that possibly have been a reason why Salazar Slytherin was so insistent on letting only pureblood students into Hogwarts?" Just, he had been a little too vocal and gone about it the wrong way, perhaps?
"I think that is exactly the reason that Slytherin preferred only students with a magical background be permitted at the school. We consider him to be mean-spirited and sneaky, but we look back on history through the lens of today rather than taking into account what the world was like at that time. We can't imagine not letting Muggleborns into the school now, but would you have done as Slytherin did 1000 years ago?"
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Feeling rather lost in the conversation at the moment she chose to just continue listening and taking notes. She was sure she would need the information later for homework. Besides, what was the point in repeating what everyone else was already saying.
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Lexi thought her head might explode. Seriously. It was throbbing. Raising her hand she said, "In that day and age, given the situation at hand, I believe that Slytherin's idea was very much correct. I can see the reasoning behind the decision and I would have done the same. For that time though." Ugh just saying that aloud made her feel a bit queasy.

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"I think that if we look at it from Slytherin's perspective I would have wanted the same things he did. I would find it hard because I'd also want muggle borns to be able to learn about who they were but if it came down to a few muggle born children compared to the entirety of the school's population...I'd argue to protect those who were pureblooded, those who were already being admitted into the school. I think if I lived at that time I would put the protection of the majority of people over the rights of a minority of muggle borns to fully learn magic. Yes that would mean that maybe those muggle borns ended up dying because they didn't know how to protect themselves, and I'd feel sorry about it but back then I would have believed it was a necessary sacrifice to make. Obviously if I looked at it from today's perspective I would say that everyone who has magic deserves to be admitted to Hogwarts." Sakura didn't need anyone to think she was actually prejudiced against muggle borns, because she wasn't. She was however extremely proud of her own pureblooded heritage.
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Then came along the next question, "Yes and No, Professor," Patroclus began, "His reasoning can be seen to be in the interests of the school, but at the same time, by turning away the Muggleborns, it would result in untaught, and unchecked magic. Which in a way would only help but to fan the flames of hatred. A muggleborn running around not in controll of their magic would be a danger not only to themselves but everyone around them. They needed to be taught to control their magic, so thus the School needed to teach them." Yes they presented the chance of the secret getting out, but still they were magical and needed to be treated like the rest.
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"The school was a fortress and safe haven for our kind, sure, but it was also an organized way of furthering magical education."

And Neptune knew FIRST hand - home schooling and tutors and other distractions - did NOT = Hogwarts education.


So..."Without the statute, what was protecting the muggles? The Ministry wasn't founded until 1700 or so," nooo underage wizarding laws and such, right? Crazy armed 11 year olds with wands and a plethora of spells to use on their villages over holidays?

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"I think that was the crux of the worry," Tate agreed. "Some may have worried that persecution would follow into these walls. They needed to be wary about who they permitted to enter. I doubt they worried about Muggles, because Muggles were easy to spot."



"Ah, yes. Not Muggles, but those magical students from non-magical backgrounds. They had families to worry about, inbred hatreds, prejudices... all the things we learn from those around us before we're old enough to know better. I think that Slytherin may have had a good point, to be honest. Who do you trust?"



"I'd hate to have been Headmaster back then, to be honest. I want to keep you lot safe, and it's hard enough when we're completely hidden here. There would have been a very real concern about spies, for sure."

And Wilkes had surprising depth to him.



Tate nodded as the girl added to what the others had said. "With any positive belief or passion, there are those who take it too far. We can see that even within our own world." And... he'd leave it at that. Yup.



"I think that is exactly the reason that Slytherin preferred only students with a magical background be permitted at the school. We consider him to be mean-spirited and sneaky, but we look back on history through the lens of today rather than taking into account what the world was like at that time. We can't imagine not letting Muggleborns into the school now, but would you have done as Slytherin did 1000 years ago?"
Sophia raised her hand, while contemplating her answer. "Well, in the time period that might have seemed like the most popular choice, but sometimes the popular choice isn't always the right one." she said. "I know that I would have disagreed." she said, firmly. It just didn't seem like the right thing to do in her opinion. Maybe, it was because she was raised as a muggle.
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Kurumi pressed her lips together and rested her head in her hands as she leaned forward on her desk. Thinking back to what she had said earlier, about being drawn to our similarities but needing to accept our differences...it was certainly much easier said than done. Perhaps it was best that the two worlds, the wizarding and the non, were kept separate. Salazar Slytherin may be off his rocker when you looked at him from today's time period, but when you considered the time the school was built, it was the other three founders who were a bit off their rockers. "To be honest, I think it was fair that he didn't trust students from a non-magical background," Kurumi said slowly hoping that no one was going to try and bit her head off. Her mother, a non-magical, didn't trust her own children because they had magical abilities after all. "However, going to such extremes as to build the Chamber of Secrets, that seems a little too much. Was he trying to make a statement? If a single non-magical student betrayed the school and wizardingkind, that all of them in the school would be killed? The Basilisk's purpose was to rid the school of all muggleborns."
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And Neptune knew FIRST hand - home schooling and tutors and other distractions - did NOT = Hogwarts education.


So..."Without the statute, what was protecting the muggles? The Ministry wasn't founded until 1700 or so," nooo underage wizarding laws and such, right? Crazy armed 11 year olds with wands and a plethora of spells to use on their villages over holidays?

"Selectivity was a must. I would have been selective. No loonies, please."
"No loonies. I know this was a touchy time but I woud never do as Salazar did. These muggleborns with magic abilities were no loons. They were human beings who deserved the chance to discoverwhat they truly are. Yes it would be difficult in that time with no Ministry but I would find it to be a necesary struggle to help muggleborn witches and wizards to be welcome in this world so they truly have place where they know they belong ust like pure and haf bood wizards.".
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Running a hand through her hair, she considered what she would have done in that time period. She seriously needed to pay more attention in History of Magic. "I don't think I would have done the same thing Slytherin did. Even if what he was doing was out of the protection for purebloods, it was still discrimination against muggleborns. I mean, its not their fault they were born, well, muggleborn."
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Jaina sheepishly raise her hand. "Um, I'm not sure when Hogwarts was founded, but would it have been during the Dark Ages? That was an age in which muggles were not very intelligent and, well believed in mythical creatures, or what we as wizards and witches know as real creatures. There were lords and ladies and knights fighting dragons. There was Robin Hood who stole from the rich to give to the poor. I believe it was before or during the crusades." She glanced over at Benjamin to see if the answer at least sounded good.
Benjamin raised his thumb up, like he'd seen on a tv show at home. The show was called"Happy Days". He'd found it very interesting to see the guy on the back of what loooked like a bicycle with a motor, weating tight blue jeans and a white shirt under his black leather coat, and hair combed back as could be expected. He'd grown fond of that show. And hated missing the sow to come to some huffy-puffy schooljust to learn about muggles.how he hated this barrage of muggle things being tossed into school about magic. He flipped the parchment over and began to draw the quidditch pitch and the 6 hoops and players flying across the pitch.. It was a game between his house and Gryffindor.

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"But... Slytherin didn't do it. He tried and the others disagreed, so he left." Jim pointed out. "He left to try things a different way."

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"I think that is exactly the reason that Slytherin preferred only students with a magical background be permitted at the school. We consider him to be mean-spirited and sneaky, but we look back on history through the lens of today rather than taking into account what the world was like at that time. We can't imagine not letting Muggleborns into the school now, but would you have done as Slytherin did 1000 years ago?"
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"The school was a fortress and safe haven for our kind, sure, but it was also an organized way of furthering magical education."

And Neptune knew FIRST hand - home schooling and tutors and other distractions - did NOT = Hogwarts education.


So..."Without the statute, what was protecting the muggles? The Ministry wasn't founded until 1700 or so," nooo underage wizarding laws and such, right? Crazy armed 11 year olds with wands and a plethora of spells to use on their villages over holidays?

"Selectivity was a must. I would have been selective. No loonies, please."
hearing the statment didnt quiet sit right with him " Sir is magical Genetics differnt than normal genes ..I mean If Slytheren had his way would he not have done just the thing he didnt want to do and that is weaken the magical blood lines by breeding in defects because in time the gene pool would be stagnet look at the muggle royal families people would be marrying relatives"

OCC ironic coming from the boy from the American south lol
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"But... Slytherin didn't do it. He tried and the others disagreed, so he left." Jim pointed out. "He left to try things a different way."

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"Oh he did not do it huh! Salazar hatched a beast in the chamber of secrets thay he left there to go after muggeborns and ki them if they look into it's piercing eyes. But Salazar did nothing, right. He did everything and this beast remained within Hogwarts into the late 20th century. Sure this was written off after a bit cause the beast did not make it's presence known often but he did leave a legacy in infamy at Hogwarts at Hogwarts nonetheless".
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hearing the statment didnt quiet sit right with him " Sir is magical Genetics differnt than normal genes ..I mean If Slytheren had his way would he not have done just the thing he didnt want to do and that is weaken the magical blood lines by breeding in defects because in time the gene pool would be stagnet look at the muggle royal families people would be marrying relatives"

OCC ironic coming from the boy from the American south lol
"You have a point if you look at it from todays point of view when we know about genetics and the like. But during the time of the Founders they didn't really know about genetics, at least not the fact that inbreeding could weaken the bloodline. At that time they thought it was best, and I'd counter by saying that there are still Pureblood's today who haven't suffered any ill effects from not having muggle blood mixed into our blood lines. We're still just as powerful, sometimes more powerful than half-bloods and muggle borns and don't have any noticeable defects." The question had been for Tate but Sakura figured it wouldn't do any harm to add another perspective/opinion to what the boy had asked. And nothing in her answer was really false.
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