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Astronomy double period! Whoever set up the timetables this term is sure to get some threatening looks from the students (once they find out who it was, of course). And it's fairly early in the morning, too! You might have had time for a short breakfast only before hurrying up seven floors to the Tower.

Professor Antares isn't around yet, though. So you're still on time, and you have a minute or so to catch your breath. The large desk at the front of the class is the usual mess of encyclopaedias and journals.

OOC: Sometimes, real-life (or meatspace, if you prefer :>) issues intrude upon SnitchSeeker time. I'm sure you noticed I couldn't finish the first lesson, that I didn't give any homework... and that I haven't been around much in general, really. I do sincerely apologise for that, but it couldn't be helped. I hope it doesn't sound like I'm trying to make excuses - I'm just letting you know. For honesty's sake, you should probably mention it in my evaluation at the end of term too.

I'll add the points for that class (plus a bonus for everyone who participated) before term is over, of course. And I hope I have the time now to RP for the last few weeks. Professor Antares is available in his office again now if there's anything that needs to be discussed. :>

With that out of the way: Class will begin once I'm back from university, in about six hours. Have a seat! You're allowed to chat if you feel like it too.


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Risu nodded. "That's it exactly. Very well done, Mr Miner." He leaned against his desk. "To briefly recap: According to calculations done before Einstein even entered the scientific scene, the speed of light seems to be a constant of nature. No matter how fast you are, light will always recede from you at the speed of light. This led, once Einstein took the calculations at face value, to demolish the notion of absolute time. In Einstein's universe, time slows down the faster one moves - this is because, if it did not, light would have to travel faster than itself. Our thought experiment with the Hogwarts Express has shown this.

"But now... what about absolute space? Galileo has made us rethink the idea of absolute space already - since there is no way to say with certainty whether something is standing still or in motion, there is no such thing as absolute space against which we can measure the movement of something. You can only stand still or move relative to something. But could space be just as strange as time? Is there a way that relativity makes space stretch and compact just as it does time?"

Risu grinned. "As you can probably guess, the answer is yes. If Einstein's equations are correct, then space itself becomes malleable with relativity. Specifically, the faster you move, the smaller space becomes. We will now investigate how that is..." He checked to see that he had everyone's attention. "In the 1990s, the Brookhaven National Laboratory in the state of New York in the United States provided a test of this hypothesis. The scientists there built a machine that allowed them to send particles around in a circle."

He drew an imaginary circle in the air with a finger. "They used a particle called the muon and shot it around the ring at 99 percent the speed of light. You don't need to know what a muon is, by the way," Risu added quickly, "it's not important for our discussion. What you need to know is that the muon is very unstable, living only for 2.2 microseconds before it decays into something else. The scientists calculated that if space stayed the same, the muon would be able to whiz around the ring 15 times before it decayed. When they did the experiment, however, the muon managed 400 laps before it finally decayed!"

Risu paused. "2.2 microseconds is too short to complete 400 rounds. Think about it for a moment. If you were able to speed alongside the muon, you and it would be still relative to each other and your time would be the same. You would only have 2.2 microseconds to circle the machine 400 times. Not possible." He shook his head and looked at the students seriously. "No, what happens is that space shrinks, reducing the distance the muon has to travel. It literally shrinks. This is not some physical illusion. Objects really do get smaller when they move faster. Similarly, time does tick slower when you get close to the speed of light. These are both real effects."

He paused again. "Before we continue, has everyone understood this experiment? Are there any questions?"
Alex focused intently on Antares. He narrowed things down in his head until he was at a point where the most important point in his opinion. Basically, he was up to the point where... the faster you went, the smaller space was. So... yeah. He got there. All was good.

He raised his hand. "How did they manage to shoot the muon if decays after 2.2 microseconds? Or... I guess that's off track. But yeah. It makes sense that space kinda shrinks for it to do 400 revolutions or whatevs..." he waved his hand, dismissing it. He got it, and that was good enough. "One question though... is the speed of light the fastest discovered speed?"

He was wondering, 'cause, well light wouldn't speed up.
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What was it they were going on about? Trixie scribbled down notes as quickly as possible as Professor Antares kept on talking.... and talking... and talking. She liked Astronomy, truly she did but this time she was slightly lost....

No wait SHE GOT IT!! Yes okay that made sense, space shrinks. So the Muony thing was still traveling at the same speed but when an object goes fast, space shrinks.

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Alex focused intently on Antares. He narrowed things down in his head until he was at a point where the most important point in his opinion. Basically, he was up to the point where... the faster you went, the smaller space was. So... yeah. He got there. All was good.

He raised his hand. "How did they manage to shoot the muon if decays after 2.2 microseconds? Or... I guess that's off track. But yeah. It makes sense that space kinda shrinks for it to do 400 revolutions or whatevs..." he waved his hand, dismissing it. He got it, and that was good enough. "One question though... is the speed of light the fastest discovered speed?"

He was wondering, 'cause, well light wouldn't speed up.
"Oh, it's not just a single muon," Risu said, waving a hand. "We just focused on one to keep it simple. In reality, millions and millions of particles will be sent through the machine in a beam."

He nodded. "And yes, the speed of light is the fastest speed discovered," he said. "And the fastest speed theoretically possible, as far as we know. It's the cosmic speed limit. You simply cannot go faster. Hope that answers your question." He looked around. "Any other questions?"
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"No more questions from me, boss," Alex smiled, saluting the professor with his quill.

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"No more questions from me, boss," Alex smiled, saluting the professor with his quill.

He was smahhhhhhht.
"You got it." Risu attempted a smart salute in return. As someone who had never even been close to a barracks, this rather looked like he was trying to tear one of his eyebrows off.

"These two bizarre properties of the Universe we just discovered - that the faster you are, the slower time ticks and the smaller space becomes - are known as time dilation and length contraction in the scientific world. Together they are part of what's called 'special relativity'. There is a 'general relativity' as well, as you can guess, which has to do with what gravity is and how it works, but it is extremely complicated. And," Risu added, glancing at the clock on his desk, "I doubt we have enough time for that. Perhaps I can give you a very brief introduction."

He looked back at the class. "There is one more highly important concept that we have to talk about. Now that we are equipped with the knowledge of how space and time behave, we are ready to talk about the unification of both, called spacetime. Spacetime was developed by both Einstein and another scientist by the name of Hermann Minkowski, and most basically put, it is a four-dimensional manifold, which is to say a four-dimensional space. It sounds complicated, but the general idea is very straightforward.

"We experience the world in three dimensions. Width, length, and depth. Spacetime simply treats time as another dimension. So, as an example, a place on Earth can be located on a map with the help of three coordinates. In spacetime, something can be described with four coordinates, namely the three which we are familiar with, plus a fourth coordinate of time."
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"You got it." Risu attempted a smart salute in return. As someone who had never even been close to a barracks, this rather looked like he was trying to tear one of his eyebrows off.

"These two bizarre properties of the Universe we just discovered - that the faster you are, the slower time ticks and the smaller space becomes - are known as time dilation and length contraction in the scientific world. Together they are part of what's called 'special relativity'. There is a 'general relativity' as well, as you can guess, which has to do with what gravity is and how it works, but it is extremely complicated. And," Risu added, glancing at the clock on his desk, "I doubt we have enough time for that. Perhaps I can give you a very brief introduction."

He looked back at the class. "There is one more highly important concept that we have to talk about. Now that we are equipped with the knowledge of how space and time behave, we are ready to talk about the unification of both, called spacetime. Spacetime was developed by both Einstein and another scientist by the name of Hermann Minkowski, and most basically put, it is a four-dimensional manifold, which is to say a four-dimensional space. It sounds complicated, but the general idea is very straightforward.

"We experience the world in three dimensions. Width, length, and depth. Spacetime simply treats time as another dimension. So, as an example, a place on Earth can be located on a map with the help of three coordinates. In spacetime, something can be described with four coordinates, namely the three which we are familiar with, plus a fourth coordinate of time."
Heck yes, Alex got a salute in return. He made a note to visit Antares at one point. He'd get into Astronomy probably... it was fascinating.

Anyway. Special relativity.

Alex circled the notes he made on the slower time and smaller space and drew a line out to a space, before writing SPECIAL RELATIVITY. Therrrre.

As soon as Antares said 'spacetime', Alex's brain immediately finished the phrase with 'continuum'. It just happened. He wasn't sure why.

Ooooh, four dimensional. Alex was an avid reader, and on researching about muggles, he had found out about 4D movies, where things actually HAPPENED to you in the place where you sat. Like one where it felt like Wolverine got you in the back.

But something told him that wasn't what this kind of 4D was about.

He raised his hand. "I'm probably mistaken, but that sounds alot like time travel. Almost Time and relative dimension in space kind of thing. But... I think that's me being a little 'herrrp a derrrp'. I get what you mean... I think, kind of refers what you were on about earlier with speed and stuff."

Err...

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Heck yes, Alex got a salute in return. He made a note to visit Antares at one point. He'd get into Astronomy probably... it was fascinating.

Anyway. Special relativity.

Alex circled the notes he made on the slower time and smaller space and drew a line out to a space, before writing SPECIAL RELATIVITY. Therrrre.

As soon as Antares said 'spacetime', Alex's brain immediately finished the phrase with 'continuum'. It just happened. He wasn't sure why.

Ooooh, four dimensional. Alex was an avid reader, and on researching about muggles, he had found out about 4D movies, where things actually HAPPENED to you in the place where you sat. Like one where it felt like Wolverine got you in the back.

But something told him that wasn't what this kind of 4D was about.

He raised his hand. "I'm probably mistaken, but that sounds alot like time travel. Almost Time and relative dimension in space kind of thing. But... I think that's me being a little 'herrrp a derrrp'. I get what you mean... I think, kind of refers what you were on about earlier with speed and stuff."

Err...

"Maybe."
"Herrrp a..." Risu stopped. Yes, that Miner kid had to have said that so he and his mates could have a giggle over their teacher sounding like he was five years old. Oh, but Risu had foxed them.

"Well, time is a special case because there is only one direction one can travel in. You cannot go back in time, unfortunately, but, time travel into the future is possible in a sense. I'm sure you know what I mean, Mr Miner - we just discussed this. If one travels close to the speed of light, one's personal time slows down, and if that person returns to, say, Earth, after a trip around the galaxy, he or she will have 'skipped', if you will, thousands and thousands of years on Earth."

He looked at the other students. "We need to talk a little longer about spacetime. Einstein supposed that, while two people might not agree on time and space on their own, these two people would agree on what was happening in spacetime, as long as the speed of light stayed the same. We've already seen that this is the case. The speed of light is always the speed of light, no matter how fast one moves.

"For example: Suppose you wake up at 8 in the morning. You walk, say, ten metres to the kitchen and have breakfast, which you finish at 9. One hour later. Now, according to special relativity, if someone zooms past your window at a very high speed, what will happen to the ten metres and the one hour then?"
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This Hufflepuff had an awful lot of questions didn't he? Although Trixie was fascinated by this subject as a whole, she wouldn't want to stick her hand up and ask a load of questions about it. There was enough notes to make anyway let alone a load more. So here she was scribbling away notes every five seconds trying to keep up with what was being said.

So in essence what was being said was that Spacetime was four dimensional. Instead of just having width, length and depth like on Earth (Which is how you work out volume in case one needed to know) in space you added an extra dimension for time. Okay this much she understood. That wasn't so bad. But this was just the simple stuff right? Oh goodness...

O________o

COOL. Well it sounded cool anyway. The Blonde was a little too...Blonde to actually fully understand what he was getting at, even if she did get an O in this subject at OWL level.

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"Well, time is a special case because there is only one direction one can travel in. You cannot go back in time, unfortunately, but, time travel into the future is possible in a sense. I'm sure you know what I mean, Mr Miner - we just discussed this. If one travels close to the speed of light, one's personal time slows down, and if that person returns to, say, Earth, after a trip around the galaxy, he or she will have 'skipped', if you will, thousands and thousands of years on Earth."

He looked at the other students. "We need to talk a little longer about spacetime. Einstein supposed that, while two people might not agree on time and space on their own, these two people would agree on what was happening in spacetime, as long as the speed of light stayed the same. We've already seen that this is the case. The speed of light is always the speed of light, no matter how fast one moves.

"For example: Suppose you wake up at 8 in the morning. You walk, say, ten metres to the kitchen and have breakfast, which you finish at 9. One hour later. Now, according to special relativity, if someone zooms past your window at a very high speed, what will happen to the ten metres and the one hour then?"
Alex smiled. Almost got him to say it.

"Yeah, I get what you mean," Alex nodded. Moving forward in time made sense, and yeah. Just not back. Even if you went backwards SUPER fast. Yeah, didn't work like that.

He was astounded on how much he was understanding... until...

"Well... I'm kind of confused now. I guess they'd both agree that the breakfast is happening. But the ten metres and the hour can't be agreed on... and that's the only way I can put what I think in words," he said, making a >___< face.

Which was... difficult to do.
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Alex smiled. Almost got him to say it.

"Yeah, I get what you mean," Alex nodded. Moving forward in time made sense, and yeah. Just not back. Even if you went backwards SUPER fast. Yeah, didn't work like that.

He was astounded on how much he was understanding... until...

"Well... I'm kind of confused now. I guess they'd both agree that the breakfast is happening. But the ten metres and the hour can't be agreed on... and that's the only way I can put what I think in words," he said, making a >___< face.

Which was... difficult to do.
"Nope, that's it exactly," Risu said with an encouraging nod. "Well done again, Mr Miner. Just to reiterate - although," he added, looking at the class, "you should have understood this point by now, the person zooming past will say that the distance is smaller than 10 metres, and that the time is longer than one hour."

He nodded again. "That's that. But what's happening in spacetime now?" He answered his own question. "Here's what's happening in spacetime. Remember, this is a four-dimensional... thing. We can't really imagine it with our three-dimensional minds, but it exists. With the speed of light as a sort of currency, in spacetime, both the person eating breakfast and the person zooming past will agree on the distance travelled - as long as the distance is in spacetime. Which is to say, not just a movement in space but a movement in space and time. I'll try to explain."

Risu paused briefly. "Consider this. And consider it carefully, this is very important. In spacetime, even if you are standing perfectly still, you are moving. But you aren't moving in space. You're moving in the one dimension that's still left to you - you're moving in time! You're actually soaring through time at the speed of light. Me, standing here, you, sitting on your chairs, we are all, right now, moving through spacetime at the speed of light. As I said, the speed of light is the 'currency' of spacetime. You can, well, you can use some of your speed in time to move in space. That's why time is slowing down for someone travelling close to the speed of light - that person has used almost all of his or her available speed on moving in space! There isn't much 'left' for time."

He paused again. This was a seriously difficult point to grasp. "Therefore, if we return to our example, even if the two people are moving at different speeds in space and time, they will agree on the distance travelled in spacetime. The distance travelled in spacetime is a combination of both the actual, physical distance travelled and the time that has passed."

Risu nodded to show that this line of discussion was at an end. "We will test out spacetime using the famous twin paradox, but first, has everyone understood this? Are there any questions?"
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He nodded again. "That's that. But what's happening in spacetime now?" He answered his own question. "Here's what's happening in spacetime. Remember, this is a four-dimensional... thing. We can't really imagine it with our three-dimensional minds, but it exists. With the speed of light as a sort of currency, in spacetime, both the person eating breakfast and the person zooming past will agree on the distance travelled - as long as the distance is in spacetime. Which is to say, not just a movement in space but a movement in space and time. I'll try to explain."

Risu paused briefly. "Consider this. And consider it carefully, this is very important. In spacetime, even if you are standing perfectly still, you are moving. But you aren't moving in space. You're moving in the one dimension that's still left to you - you're moving in time! You're actually soaring through time at the speed of light. Me, standing here, you, sitting on your chairs, we are all, right now, moving through spacetime at the speed of light. As I said, the speed of light is the 'currency' of spacetime. You can, well, you can use some of your speed in time to move in space. That's why time is slowing down for someone travelling close to the speed of light - that person has used almost all of his or her available speed on moving in space! There isn't much 'left' for time."

He paused again. This was a seriously difficult point to grasp. "Therefore, if we return to our example, even if the two people are moving at different speeds in space and time, they will agree on the distance travelled in spacetime. The distance travelled in spacetime is a combination of both the actual, physical distance travelled and the time that has passed."

Risu nodded to show that this line of discussion was at an end. "We will test out spacetime using the famous twin paradox, but first, has everyone understood this? Are there any questions?"
Schweeeeeeeet. He was right.

Kind of.

The young man made a few notes to ensure that he would understand the answer to the question were he to come across it in his notes, which... wasn't hiiiiiiiiiighly likely. But yeah... he understood... didn't need to get into HOW right now. That was for homework.

He was on FIRE today.

Metaphorically, of course.

Yes, standing still = moving in time. Moving forwards in time. Even if you were, like, TRAPPED in a block of ice (especially so, but that's irrelevant).

And moving through time superquickly as well, without motion sickness! Win-win!

IT MADE SENSE! The speed was being used up by actual speed, as in like, walking. And so time couldn't be so fast. Yeah, confusing, yet it made sense.

Alex looked surprise as he responded. "I... pretty much get that, sir," he said quietly.

Wow. When he thought about it, however, he was just bleurgh. Antares made sound a lot better than he could ever repeat it... despite being taught... by Antares.

Hmm.

Maybe he could help people later if they didn't get it. Or not. People didn't... trust him for some reason.
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"Great!" Risu said, very pleased. Relativity was a tough subject, he would be the first to say so - having spend many a desperate night over his astrophysics textbooks at university - but his students, bright as they were, seemed to follow well enough.

"Let us consider the twin paradox, then. If questions pop up, feel free to ask them regardless of the discussion. But," Risu added with a slight smile, "we're nearly done. You'll be able to have a break in a few minutes. But first, the twin paradox."

Tapping a finger against the edge of the desk, Risu explained. "After all we discussed, some of the elements of this thought experiment will be familiar to you. So! Let us imagine a pair of identical twins. Both are astronauts and part of an expedition to the Andromeda Galaxy, but at the last second, one of them gets left behind. Only one twin gets onto the spacecraft to Andromeda. That twin is moving at a very high speed relative to her sister on Earth, and consequently time slows down for her."

He paused. "But! We've spent the majority of the lesson figuring out that there is no such thing as absolute motion! The twin on the spacecraft could say, 'No, I'm not moving at all, it's the Earth that's moving away from me! Therefore, I'm standing still and it's my twin whose time ticks slower.' And she could say that," said Risu, nodding. "According to relativity, there is no definite answer to the question of who is moving and who is standing still. So..." he said slowly, "can anyone spot the paradox already?"
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There were so many words flying around in this lesson and Trix was just daydreaming half of it. Though it seemed the rest of the class remained silent, obviously bedazzled by the complexity of this lesson. She certainly was at moments and she wasn't going to say anything unless she got the answer quickly, in fear of getting it wrong, or all jumbled up. And the probability of that happening was most definitely quite high.

The likeliness of there being twin astronauts however was probably quite low, but that was off the subject of the matter.. N'aww the poor twin, female twins. Oh she liked this. Trixie listened even more intently to the Professor. The paradox? "Well if they couldn't be certain who it was moving..... When the other came back, the Earth one would appear to have aged a bit yes? But if in theory the Space twin wasn't the one moving, then surely that would mean the twin on Earth was the younger one? Or something like that...." She wasn't entirely sure whether that was at all correct. Was that even what he was asking?
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"Great!" Risu said, very pleased. Relativity was a tough subject, he would be the first to say so - having spend many a desperate night over his astrophysics textbooks at university - but his students, bright as they were, seemed to follow well enough.

"Let us consider the twin paradox, then. If questions pop up, feel free to ask them regardless of the discussion. But," Risu added with a slight smile, "we're nearly done. You'll be able to have a break in a few minutes. But first, the twin paradox."

Tapping a finger against the edge of the desk, Risu explained. "After all we discussed, some of the elements of this thought experiment will be familiar to you. So! Let us imagine a pair of identical twins. Both are astronauts and part of an expedition to the Andromeda Galaxy, but at the last second, one of them gets left behind. Only one twin gets onto the spacecraft to Andromeda. That twin is moving at a very high speed relative to her sister on Earth, and consequently time slows down for her."

He paused. "But! We've spent the majority of the lesson figuring out that there is no such thing as absolute motion! The twin on the spacecraft could say, 'No, I'm not moving at all, it's the Earth that's moving away from me! Therefore, I'm standing still and it's my twin whose time ticks slower.' And she could say that," said Risu, nodding. "According to relativity, there is no definite answer to the question of who is moving and who is standing still. So..." he said slowly, "can anyone spot the paradox already?"
Alex looked very thoughtful for a moment. The whole 'paradox' thing always confused him. Deciding to have a stab at it, he warily raised his hand.

"I don't... know... but I'm willing to take a guess. Maybe that can keep going backwards and forwards. Either can be right, but if one is right, the other is wrong." No... that didn't sound right. "They could both be right? But... is that not possible? I... don't know."

That fire he was on? Yeah. Burnt out, clearly.

That other girl sounded more right though, so Alex pointed her and elaborated on what she said. "But, we already discussed that the space twin would be younger, so the space twin must be the one moving... yet it could be... either?"

His brain just exploded.

Again.

Despite this, Alex looked over at the other girl and smiled to sort of show he wasn't shooting down her point but grasping on it and elaborating, because it was more on track than what he was saying.
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"Yeah, the paradox is... how could the twins have a travel agent who manages to book them such an awesome trip to space, but messes up so much that one of them gets left behind."

That is a paradox aint it? Although not one the Professor is probably looking for...

But space-faring twins..... hmm wonder if they're hot... or have green skin? Probably not the green skin since the Prof said they're from Earth.... "Professor, you said that the twin on the spaceship is moving so fast that time slows down for her, does that mean she ages slower then? But then, since she's in the spaceship, she wouldnt notice the effects would she? Until of course when she gets back to Earth where she finds her twin having a serious need for a de-aging potion. Either that or she thinks she's jumped into a planet-sized crystal ball and thinks that she's seeing a future version of her twin."

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There were so many words flying around in this lesson and Trix was just daydreaming half of it. Though it seemed the rest of the class remained silent, obviously bedazzled by the complexity of this lesson. She certainly was at moments and she wasn't going to say anything unless she got the answer quickly, in fear of getting it wrong, or all jumbled up. And the probability of that happening was most definitely quite high.

The likeliness of there being twin astronauts however was probably quite low, but that was off the subject of the matter.. N'aww the poor twin, female twins. Oh she liked this. Trixie listened even more intently to the Professor. The paradox? "Well if they couldn't be certain who it was moving..... When the other came back, the Earth one would appear to have aged a bit yes? But if in theory the Space twin wasn't the one moving, then surely that would mean the twin on Earth was the younger one? Or something like that...." She wasn't entirely sure whether that was at all correct. Was that even what he was asking?
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Alex looked very thoughtful for a moment. The whole 'paradox' thing always confused him. Deciding to have a stab at it, he warily raised his hand.

"I don't... know... but I'm willing to take a guess. Maybe that can keep going backwards and forwards. Either can be right, but if one is right, the other is wrong." No... that didn't sound right. "They could both be right? But... is that not possible? I... don't know."

That fire he was on? Yeah. Burnt out, clearly.

That other girl sounded more right though, so Alex pointed her and elaborated on what she said. "But, we already discussed that the space twin would be younger, so the space twin must be the one moving... yet it could be... either?"

His brain just exploded.

Again.

Despite this, Alex looked over at the other girl and smiled to sort of show he wasn't shooting down her point but grasping on it and elaborating, because it was more on track than what he was saying.
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"Yeah, the paradox is... how could the twins have a travel agent who manages to book them such an awesome trip to space, but messes up so much that one of them gets left behind."

That is a paradox aint it? Although not one the Professor is probably looking for...

But space-faring twins..... hmm wonder if they're hot... or have green skin? Probably not the green skin since the Prof said they're from Earth.... "Professor, you said that the twin on the spaceship is moving so fast that time slows down for her, does that mean she ages slower then? But then, since she's in the spaceship, she wouldnt notice the effects would she? Until of course when she gets back to Earth where she finds her twin having a serious need for a de-aging potion. Either that or she thinks she's jumped into a planet-sized crystal ball and thinks that she's seeing a future version of her twin."

Is he making sense? For Salander that is a rhetorical question....

"Shower of house points for the three of you," Risu said cheerfully. "This was a very difficult question, but you're all correct. Well done."

He glanced at the clock. The bell would ring any minute. "The paradox is this: When we apply special relativity, it appears as if each twin should be younger than the other! The twin on the spacecraft can correctly say of herself that she isn't moving, therefore it's her twin who's ageing more slowly. In the same way, the earthbound twin could say that since her sister is zooming away close to the speed of light, she is standing still on Earth and therefore it's her sister who's ageing more slowly.

"So," Risu said, "what's happening, then? I'll tell you that there is an answer to this paradox - that there is no paradox at all, in fact. For one of the twins, time does slow down, and there is no ambiguity at all as to who it is." A lightning-quick grin flashed over his face. "I won't keep you waiting. There is no doubt that the twin on the spacecraft will age more slowly. She will be younger than her sister on Earth when she returns."

He began walking back and forth once more. "This does seem like the more obvious answer, but it's not because the twin is on a spaceship. We could imagine a situation where the Earth and the twin on it were suddenly pushed close to the speed of light while the twin on the spacecraft was just orbiting the Moon, wondering where the Earth had gone too. In that case, the twin on Earth would age more slowly, and she'd be younger than the twin on the spacecraft when she returned.

"The solution to this paradox lies in a subtlety of special relativity. It has to do with something that's happening on the journey of the spacefaring twin..." He stopped, and looked at the class musingly. "On the face of it, the two twins take identical paths through spacetime, right? But there is one instance in this journey where this is not the case. And that's where the solution lies. Can anyone spot it?"
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There was an answer to the paradox? Oh dear was this about to get even more confusing. She had been right in the aspect that they could argue that either were staying still and that they would be aging differently then. Hang on..There was NO paradox? The blonde tilted her head and looked a little bedazzled as the Professor went on.

Wasn't the solution something to do with special relativity? Trixie raised her hand. "Is it something to do with accelerating and decelerating? When a Spaceship U turns his speed accelerates and jumps between frames, whereas the Twin on Earth doesn't switch between frames. So like the Spacebound twin would have a frame for going and one for coming back. Or something like that anyway" she started. She wasn't entirely sure whether she was answering the right question but at least she was giving information here. "So the calculations have to be adjusted according to which frame the twin is in..." Did that make sense? Probably not... Yeah she just TOTALLY made that up then didn't she?

Trixie sunk back in her chair. Maybe she shouldn't talk anymore and just stick to writing down notes and stuff... Yeah that sounded good.

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He glanced at the clock. The bell would ring any minute. "The paradox is this: When we apply special relativity, it appears as if each twin should be younger than the other! The twin on the spacecraft can correctly say of herself that she isn't moving, therefore it's her twin who's ageing more slowly. In the same way, the earthbound twin could say that since her sister is zooming away close to the speed of light, she is standing still on Earth and therefore it's her sister who's ageing more slowly.

"So," Risu said, "what's happening, then? I'll tell you that there is an answer to this paradox - that there is no paradox at all, in fact. For one of the twins, time does slow down, and there is no ambiguity at all as to who it is." A lightning-quick grin flashed over his face. "I won't keep you waiting. There is no doubt that the twin on the spacecraft will age more slowly. She will be younger than her sister on Earth when she returns."

He began walking back and forth once more. "This does seem like the more obvious answer, but it's not because the twin is on a spaceship. We could imagine a situation where the Earth and the twin on it were suddenly pushed close to the speed of light while the twin on the spacecraft was just orbiting the Moon, wondering where the Earth had gone too. In that case, the twin on Earth would age more slowly, and she'd be younger than the twin on the spacecraft when she returned.

"The solution to this paradox lies in a subtlety of special relativity. It has to do with something that's happening on the journey of the spacefaring twin..." He stopped, and looked at the class musingly. "On the face of it, the two twins take identical paths through spacetime, right? But there is one instance in this journey where this is not the case. And that's where the solution lies. Can anyone spot it?"
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Alex wrote down the complete answer to the question under the heading 'Paradox of space!twins'.

WAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIT.

If there was no paradox at all then why did he ask them what the paradox was and then tell them they were right?! >____< Antares was muchos confoosling.

And this question was as well... but he raised his hand anyway. "Well, first, that definitely seemed like the obvious answer to me. And second... I can think of a few possibilities. Is it when the space twin returns? Or... maybe as she's leaving, like left Earth and the Earth's atmosphere, but not yet at the point where she's going uber fast? OOOH! Or, when she GETS to the Andromeda Galaxy and slows down to take a gander?"

He lowered his hand and rocked back on his chair. "That's all I got, boss."
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Right.

Well, she was ultimately lost in this whole discussion. Playing with her notebook and pencil...and quill which she took out in the middle of the lesson...the Slytherin had pretty much filled up three pages with doodles.

However, she had been listening in on what the Professor and everyone else was saying so she knew where they were in the lesson. It was just understanding the lesson that was the hard part. But with the question being brought up, Evelyn actually perked up some. It was almost like a multiple choice answer! Just, guess a place in this journey and see if she's right.

Before she could even do so, some smarty kid named all the answers she could think of. Pffft. Well then, fine. She’ll just…go back to doodling. Pffft. Unless she thought of something else.
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There was an answer to the paradox? Oh dear was this about to get even more confusing. She had been right in the aspect that they could argue that either were staying still and that they would be aging differently then. Hang on..There was NO paradox? The blonde tilted her head and looked a little bedazzled as the Professor went on.

Wasn't the solution something to do with special relativity? Trixie raised her hand. "Is it something to do with accelerating and decelerating? When a Spaceship U turns his speed accelerates and jumps between frames, whereas the Twin on Earth doesn't switch between frames. So like the Spacebound twin would have a frame for going and one for coming back. Or something like that anyway" she started. She wasn't entirely sure whether she was answering the right question but at least she was giving information here. "So the calculations have to be adjusted according to which frame the twin is in..." Did that make sense? Probably not... Yeah she just TOTALLY made that up then didn't she?

Trixie sunk back in her chair. Maybe she shouldn't talk anymore and just stick to writing down notes and stuff... Yeah that sounded good.

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Alex wrote down the complete answer to the question under the heading 'Paradox of space!twins'.

WAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIT.

If there was no paradox at all then why did he ask them what the paradox was and then tell them they were right?! >____< Antares was muchos confoosling.

And this question was as well... but he raised his hand anyway. "Well, first, that definitely seemed like the obvious answer to me. And second... I can think of a few possibilities. Is it when the space twin returns? Or... maybe as she's leaving, like left Earth and the Earth's atmosphere, but not yet at the point where she's going uber fast? OOOH! Or, when she GETS to the Andromeda Galaxy and slows down to take a gander?"

He lowered his hand and rocked back on his chair. "That's all I got, boss."

"Boss" at least was an improvement of sorts over "sir", as far as Risu was concerned, but it still sounded very odd.

"There is only one point in the journey were the spacetime paths of the two diverge. And I have to hand it to Miss Malfoy over here, she spotted it. When the spaceship turns around," Risu said, making sure everyone was paying attention, "the twin sitting inside experiences intense inertia, and it is at that specific moment that, for the twin in the spaceship, her sister ages rapidly. Since the earthbound twin does not experience this inertia, the two spacetime paths are not the same anymore, and we can say with certainty which twin is older than the other."

He nodded in a satisfied sort of way. "No need to remember this, but this is known as the 'inertial frame of reference'. It's a very easy point to overlook, like many of the subtleties in Einstein's theory. But there it is. When working with special relativity, one needs to take this inertial frame of reference seriously."

Risu glanced at the clock. "And now, all of you deserve a break before we begin our second period. Fifteen minutes, I'd say. Very well done, everyone. If anyone has questions, you can ask them during the break."

He clapped his hands together once, to indicate the students were now allowed to move, perhaps thinking about how they were ageing an infinitesimally amount of time slower while wandering about.

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"There is only one point in the journey were the spacetime paths of the two diverge. And I have to hand it to Miss Malfoy over here, she spotted it. When the spaceship turns around," Risu said, making sure everyone was paying attention, "the twin sitting inside experiences intense inertia, and it is at that specific moment that, for the twin in the spaceship, her sister ages rapidly. Since the earthbound twin does not experience this inertia, the two spacetime paths are not the same anymore, and we can say with certainty which twin is older than the other."

He nodded in a satisfied sort of way. "No need to remember this, but this is known as the 'inertial frame of reference'. It's a very easy point to overlook, like many of the subtleties in Einstein's theory. But there it is. When working with special relativity, one needs to take this inertial frame of reference seriously."

Risu glanced at the clock. "And now, all of you deserve a break before we begin our second period. Fifteen minutes, I'd say. Very well done, everyone. If anyone has questions, you can ask them during the break."

He clapped his hands together once, to indicate the students were now allowed to move, perhaps thinking about how they were ageing an infinitesimally amount of time slower while wandering about.

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Danggggg. Alex didn't like getting answers wrong but hey, it happened.

Alex made down a few last minutes notes and hurriedly shot out of his seat and to the front of the room.

And he stood beside Antares and leant against the desk like the man himself. Bwaahahaha. He was trying to be like The Man. BAM.
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Hand it to Miss Malfoy....

Oh she liked that. She actually had the answer right. The Blonde pulled up out of her seat as there was no need to hide anymore, a big grin on her face. Heh. Well she should learn to maybe have a bit more confidence in herself then. The Sixteen year old Very nearly seventeen might she add wrote down a load more notes, that consumed a lot of pieces of parchment.

But it was the end of the first lesson and they had been given a break, probably so that their brains could return to normal. If everyone else was like her, their brains were either hurting or fried. So she stood up in order to stretch her legs out as she'd been sat down for quite a while now.

Now was there someone in here she could talk to.....?

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Since it was still early-ish, Risu summoned himself a cup of coffee, which he drank in generous gulps, tidying up his desk a little on the side and wondering what the Miner kid was doing. Maybe just stretching his legs.

He was very pleased with his students. Relativity (even if they had only managed to cover special relativity) was a very difficult topic full of subtleties, and the class appeared to have understood them all. That was impressive, relativity being something most people, in Risu's experience, did not even study before becoming undergraduates at universities.

When the clock on his desk ticked close to the full hour, he finished his coffee and put the empty cup down on the desk. There was now some space to do that. Shooing Alex back to his own table, Risu resumed his usual position in front of the class, waiting for the last students to file back in. He waved his hand in the direction of the door, and it closed.

Astronomy double period - Macrocosm, microcosm


Part two of this double period begins now, lesson 3 overall.

"Welcome back, everyone. I know you probably don't feel like doing another lesson, but I promise we will go easier in this one." He smiled. "As I said in the beginning, the topic will be quantum theory, more commonly known as quantum mechanics. It's a strange theory, even more so than relativity, so we will only discuss a few basic concepts, but they should be enough to give you an idea.

"Quantum mechanics," Risu continued, "is the second triumph of 20th century physics, next to relativity. It is an astonishingly successful theory, describing every single interaction in the Universe with the exception of gravity. Its equations are so accurate that, if you used quantum theory to calculate distances, you could pin down the distance between New York City and Los Angeles to within the width of a human hair.

"Quantum mechanics was developed in the early decades of the 20th century, almost parallel to relativity. It was a completely new branch of physics - it introduced the notion of uncertainty. All other theories, including relativity, which are known as classical physics, are based on the idea that, given machines that are advanced enough and so forth, everything can eventually be measured perfectly. Quantum mechanics disagrees. On very small scales, the microcosm of the single atom, for example, classical physics breaks down. Uncertainty reigns supreme."

He raised a finger. "Note, however, that this uncertainty is a very well-defined concept. It's not shrugging and saying, 'Oh, we can't know this,' it's very rigorous mathematics. We will talk about this uncertainty in a little while, but first, a few words on what made quantum mechanics necessary. What made quantum mechanics necessary was nothing more complicated than a piece of hot metalwork from a blacksmith."
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"Welcome back, everyone. I know you probably don't feel like doing another lesson, but I promise we will go easier in this one." He smiled. "As I said in the beginning, the topic will be quantum theory, more commonly known as quantum mechanics. It's a strange theory, even more so than relativity, so we will only discuss a few basic concepts, but they should be enough to give you an idea.

"Quantum mechanics," Risu continued, "is the second triumph of 20th century physics, next to relativity. It is an astonishingly successful theory, describing every single interaction in the Universe with the exception of gravity. Its equations are so accurate that, if you used quantum theory to calculate distances, you could pin down the distance between New York City and Los Angeles to within the width of a human hair.

"Quantum mechanics was developed in the early decades of the 20th century, almost parallel to relativity. It was a completely new branch of physics - it introduced the notion of uncertainty. All other theories, including relativity, which are known as classical physics, are based on the idea that, given machines that are advanced enough and so forth, everything can eventually be measured perfectly. Quantum mechanics disagrees. On very small scales, the microcosm of the single atom, for example, classical physics breaks down. Uncertainty reigns supreme."

He raised a finger. "Note, however, that this uncertainty is a very well-defined concept. It's not shrugging and saying, 'Oh, we can't know this,' it's very rigorous mathematics. We will talk about this uncertainty in a little while, but first, a few words on what made quantum mechanics necessary. What made quantum mechanics necessary was nothing more complicated than a piece of hot metalwork from a blacksmith."
Sapphinelle understood every word Professor Antares said, but was having trouble writing it all down so quickly. Thank God for her good memory! She took a deep breath and wrote everything down into a neat, detailed little outline.
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