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| | Term 24: January - April 2010 Term Twenty-four: Fight Club (Sept 2070 - June 2071) | |
01-26-2010, 07:43 PM
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For the first History of Magic lesson of the term and his first postponed lesson ever, Professor Svensson was quite nervous. He had his notes laid out on his desk and he had several maps ready to put on the board, if he should need them. He did not think he would, but it was better to be safe thann sorry. As the set time for the beginning of the class neared, Svensson opened the door to his classroom and began pacing the front of the room. He should never have quit his job as a repairman at Gringott's. His coworkers there never expected much of him, and the goblins who worked there would never have wanted him to teach him anything.
As he continued pacing, Professor Svensson glanced out of the corner of his eye to be sure that none of the desks were touching in their new circular arrangement. Hopefully nobody would think that sitting in a circle was too out of the ordinary. Then again, this was Hogwarts. And here, the extraordinary is ordinary! | |
01-27-2010, 04:39 PM
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| | Mooncalf
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Looking around the circle Marie is thankful she is on the left side which makes her a witch. Grabbing her quill she worte her point of view on a pice of parchment. Quote: Wizard/Witch
Goblins need to learn that when someone buys something in belongs to the person who bought it. Just because they made it does not mean they have say over what happens to it once they have been paid it. They do not have the right to take it back once the owner dies.
Yes, that is how she felt. If she ever bought anything from a goblin then it would be hers. No one should be able to tell her what to do with it once she paid for it.
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01-27-2010, 05:02 PM
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| | Nogtail
Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: GMT-5
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Sidney Marlowe
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Sidney finds herself on the goblin's side of the arguement. She has never understood why witches and wizards feel they are superior to other intelligent creatures. Sure goblins don't look like us, but is that a reason to consider them subservient to us? Grandpa said they had similar problems in Australia. The white settlers felt they were superior to the native Australians. It took a long time for them to find common ground. The problems with the goblins and wizards seem very similar. What would my grievances with wizards be if I was a goblin? Sidney takes her piece of parchment and writes down one of her grievances. Quote:
Goblins want to be treated as equals. We are as intelligent as wizards. We provide useful services to the wizarding world. We just want to have an equal voice in the way the wizarding world is run.
Goblins also want to be able to use wand and learn magic just as wizards do.
Those are common grievances withing the goblin world. Wizards do treat them and other intelligent magical creatures like second class citizens. | |
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01-27-2010, 05:30 PM
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| | Graphorn
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Bella looked round the room, thinking over what side of the argument she was on. Though she knew, she wasnt sure. Sighing to herself, the found herself on the Witches and Wizards side. Goblins think there the best, and there rude! She just didnt understand how they could be so mean.
She jotted down her side of the argument on her parchment.
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01-27-2010, 07:19 PM
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| | Chizpurfle
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No. Barry was on the right side. How great, wonderfull that Barry had to now pretend he was someone who he obviously wasn`t and write down problems that this being would have.
He sighed, maybe he`d get some points. He picked up his pen and started writing Quote: Goblin
We have the ability to make great things out of metal. We can make swords and cups and jewellery that any human, wizard or witch would never be able to compare to. So we have a rule. A very simple and just rule. Once the owner dies it is ours again. If they want it back the must pay for it. We do not sell, we lend. Wizards are lucky that we offer them our goblin-made things. Its only fair
There, very Gobliny and biased. Barry smiling at himself waited for the class to continue
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01-27-2010, 07:20 PM
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|  DAFC VIPMooncalf
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Atticus couldn't pretend he thought History of Magic was the most interesting subject out of the lot-but this was pretty cool. For History anyway. It also happened to be one of the few subjects he was good at at Hogwarts, so he wasn't complaining.
Heading the top of a piece of parchment with a sketch of a goblin wearing a suit, Atticus began to think.
Gasp.
Quote: Mr Goblin Man doesn't like:
1. that wizards look down on goblins-we're not lesser creatures, we're just as smart, if not SMARTER than you lot.
2. that goblins are thought of as bloodthirsty. We are, really, but only because it's a force of habit.
3. that goblins have little work outside of Gringrotts. We need to eat too!
Atticus was kind of enjoying himself. Though, of course, he would be enjoying himself much more soon enough. | |
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01-27-2010, 08:24 PM
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| | Bicorn
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Chris was so excited! A debate!? This is going to be great. Ok so pick your side, Goblin or Wizard. He really felt bad for the way the Goblins have been treated but he was a Wizard, so he decided to pick the side of the wizards.
He walked over to the side of the room with the other 'Wizard' debators. He felt that it would be good to have a 'wizard' who cared about the Goblins problems and wanted to help solve them. That is kinda what he wanted to do when he graduated anyways! Help out all the little House elves and establish a peaceful working agreement with the Goblins. Quote:
Wizard
1.) Establish an agreement and establishment of respect for the Goblins' skillful craft and give them all creative rights. But have the Ministry help to administrate the Bank, but Goblins have fair pay and employment.
He placed down his quill and looked around the room waiting to begin.
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01-27-2010, 09:09 PM
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| | Firecrab
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Nymphy through, then looked at his card. Quote: Wizards
We want to establish that in the wizarding world, we need to accept the wizard approach to ownership. We also want to keep more control over the goblin radical groups.
Nymphy started discussing. " The real issue is trust and compromise!" he said with the most power he could muster. "Wizards need to trust goblins and accept some of their views, but Goblins must trust wizards and understand that they live within a wizarding world, a wizard government, and therefore need to conform to a wizard standard of trading and ownership. I do beleive we have a ministry body that regulates that. Its all in compromise!" he said, looking at both sides.
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01-27-2010, 09:27 PM
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| | Kappa
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Forming two groups? Of course Evan Cartwright was going to choose the more powerful side and that would be wizards. Duh. Quote: Wizards: We have to define the word 'owner' on a common basis. We also need to make it clear that only we can use wands. You have your own wandless magic. Not to mention you're very powerful without a wand as well.
He'd also have included a few accusations, but this was a civil debate and he kept it short. Goblins knew what they had done anyway.
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01-27-2010, 09:37 PM
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| | Doxy
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Nicoletta glanced around. so I guess that means I'm a goblin. Alrighty then. Quote:
Goblin: If we made it for someone, then it's ours once they die. We should be respected and our kind should be praised for our work done for wizards. Goblins aren't respected and wizards don't give us rights.
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01-27-2010, 11:25 PM
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| | Nogtail
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Sidney starts to write another goblin complaint when she notices her quill's point is getting dull. Before she sharpens it, Sidney decides to create another quill. Sometimes her sharpening spell doesn't work right. Sidney takes out her wand, taps the quill and quietly says, "Geminio". A second wand appears. Sidney sharpens her first quill and writes her comments down on the parchment. Quote:
Ragnuk the first was falsely accused of stealing Godric Gryffindor's sword. By goblin standards the maker of an object, not the purchaser is the rightful owner of an object. The purchaser is required to return the object made by a goblin back to the maker when the owner dies. We consider the passing of items from one generation to the next without making additional payments to the maker nothing short of thievery. Since no one has paid the goblin maker of Godric Gryffindor for his sword since Gryffindor died. Ragnuk had the right to demand its returned. When it was not returned, he took back what was rightfully his property. Hogwarts continues to keep the sword of Godric Gryffindor in its headmaster's office. Ragnuk's name should be cleared and the sword of Godric Gryffindor returned to us goblins. If that is not done, then the Ministry should pay us goblins for the Godric Gryffindor's sword. This should include payment for each year Hogwarts has kept the sword since Gryffindor's death.
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01-28-2010, 12:21 AM
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| | Jarvey
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"I think it's this way..." Annabelle gestured nervously towards the first floor corridor. Kendra grunted unhappily, knowing they were already late. "Come on, I'll trust you." She said through clenched teeth. Grabbing a hold of Annabelle's hand, Kendra dragged her off to the supposed History of Magic classroom. Annabelle was happy to say that she had been right. She hesitantly pushed the door open; Kendra edging in behind her. Luckily, the teacher seemed to not have noticed them creap into the class, sitting in the very back row. "Good job...first years." A boy in front of them snorted, making Kendra glare. "Oh, and you're not a first year?" The boy shut up at this. Annabelle glanced at the front of his robes and saw a shiny silver and green bagde. "He's a Slytherin." Annabelle hissed as they cautiously took out their books. Kendra snorted and rolled her eyes, "Should've known." | |
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01-28-2010, 02:54 AM
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| | Re'em
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Originally Posted by quidditch_captain  Nymphy through, then looked at his card.
Nymphy started discussing. "The real issue is trust and compromise!" he said with the most power he could muster. "Wizards need to trust goblins and accept some of their views, but Goblins must trust wizards and understand that they live within a wizarding world, a wizard government, and therefore need to conform to a wizard standard of trading and ownership. I do beleive we have a ministry body that regulates that. Its all in compromise!" he said, looking at both sides. Svensson waited for someone to respond to the first statement of the discussion, but nobody stepped up to the plate. Hmm. Perhaps they needed some sort of incentive to voice their opinions. Hopefully there wouldn't be a riot between the goblins and humans. Er. Among the students. They were past that point in history. Svensson shuffled through some papers on his desk.
"Thank you for opening the floor for this discussion, Mister...?" he said, sliding off his desk and onto his feet. "Not only did you make a bold move in speaking first when no one else seemed ready to do so, but you've also made an excellent point for the wizards. Hopefully one of our goblin brethren will be willing to make some comment on your statement...?"
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Originally Posted by harrypfreak4life "I think it's this way..." Annabelle gestured nervously towards the first floor corridor. Kendra grunted unhappily, knowing they were already late. "Come on, I'll trust you." She said through clenched teeth. Grabbing a hold of Annabelle's hand, Kendra dragged her off to the supposed History of Magic classroom. Annabelle was happy to say that she had been right. She hesitantly pushed the door open; Kendra edging in behind her. Luckily, the teacher seemed to not have noticed them creap into the class, sitting in the very back row. "Good job...first years." A boy in front of them snorted, making Kendra glare. "Oh, and you're not a first year?" The boy shut up at this. Annabelle glanced at the front of his robes and saw a shiny silver and green bagde. "He's a Slytherin." Annabelle hissed as they cautiously took out their books. Kendra snorted and rolled her eyes, "Should've known." Svensson was about to return to his seat on his desk--it was quite comfortable, with the cushioning stacks of parchment--when he noticed the door move out of the corner of his eye. Leaving the rest of the class to their discussion, he walked around the side of the circle to the Ravenclaw who had just entered. "Can I help you?" he asked in a hushed voice so that his conversation with the one student would not disrupt the class's activity. | |
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01-28-2010, 03:07 AM
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| | Billywig
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Svensson waited for someone to respond to the first statement of the discussion, but nobody stepped up to the plate. Hmm. Perhaps they needed some sort of incentive to voice their opinions. Hopefully there wouldn't be a riot between the goblins and humans. Er. Among the students. They were past that point in history. Svensson shuffled through some papers on his desk.
"Thank you for opening the floor for this discussion, Mister...?" he said, sliding off his desk and onto his feet. "Not only did you make a bold move in speaking first when no one else seemed ready to do so, but you've also made an excellent point for the wizards. Hopefully one of our goblin brethren will be willing to make some comment on your statement...?"
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Originally Posted by quidditch_captain
Nymphy through, then looked at his card.
Nymphy started discussing. "The real issue is trust and compromise!" he said with the most power he could muster. "Wizards need to trust goblins and accept some of their views, but Goblins must trust wizards and understand that they live within a wizarding world, a wizard government, and therefore need to conform to a wizard standard of trading and ownership. I do beleive we have a ministry body that regulates that. Its all in compromise!" he said, looking at both sides.
"So what you are say is that Goblin should do as their told and live by wizarding law. Well what about our laws? Did wizard ever think about them. Did Wizard ever try to live by our laws and go by our rules?" Kay stated. "No, they wouldn't want to lower themself to do that." | |
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01-28-2010, 03:21 AM
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| | Mooncalf
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Originally Posted by Kaytone "So what you are say is that Goblin should do as their told and live by wizarding law. Well what about our laws? Did wizard ever think about them. Did Wizard ever try to live by our laws and go by our rules?" Kay stated. "No, they wouldn't want to lower themself to do that." "If a goblin chooses to live in a wizarding world that is run by a wizarding government then yes, they need to live by the wizarding laws. No one is forcing you to live here with us, you do so by choice." Looking at the goblin, Marie tries to think of something to make the thing understand. "It is no different than if I was to choose to live in a muggle community as a muggle I would have to live by the muggle laws or face consequences if I broke the law." 'Ewww, really, who would want to live as a muggle?' she thought as a chill went down her spine.
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01-28-2010, 04:54 AM
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| | Nogtail
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"If wizards really want us to live in their world, they should be willing to compromise with us. It's always do things your way or no way. We have not made any progress. If we are to live and work together, we should be able to honor each others customs and laws." | |
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01-28-2010, 05:02 AM
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| | Mooncalf
Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Boston
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Goblin side. Right. Er. Ok. Whatever.
Tibi pulled out a parchment and scrawled out a position, though he didn't know that he'd bring it up. Quote: We are affected by Wizarding Law and thus, should have a legitimate say in how those laws come to be, not just a department in the Ministry to 'keep us happy.' Looking back, up, Tibi waited for an opportunity to jump into the conversation. Turning to a Slytherin on the Wizard side, he considered her point. Quote:
Posted by The1HBIC: "If a goblin chooses to live in a wizarding world that is run by a wizarding government then yes, they need to live by the wizarding laws. No one is forcing you to live here with us, you do so by choice." Looking at the goblin, Marie tries to think of something to make the thing understand. "It is no different than if I was to choose to live in a muggle community as a muggle I would have to live by the muggle laws or face consequences if I broke the law." 'Ewww, really, who would want to live as a muggle?' she thought as a chill went down her spine. "If a goblin chooses to live in a wizarding world that is run by a wizarding government then yes, they need to live by the wizarding laws. No one is forcing you to live here with us, you do so by choice." Looking at the goblin, Marie tries to think of something to make the thing understand. "It is no different than if I was to choose to live in a muggle community as a muggle I would have to live by the muggle laws or face consequences if I broke the law." 'Ewww, really, who would want to live as a muggle?' she thought as a chill went down her spine.
"Right. We live here. We're part of your society. But is it so hard for you to respect us and treat us as equals and not beings to be abused?" Tibi hesitated before continuing. "Because that's what it seems like. Abuse and being taken advantage of."
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01-28-2010, 05:07 AM
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| | Kappa
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Originally Posted by Mrs. Weasley "If wizards really want us to live in their world, they should be willing to compromise with us. It's always do things your way or no way. We have not made any progress. If we are to live and work together, we should be able to honor each others customs and laws." "Why are goblins living with a world of wizards anyways? What use are you guys? Besides there silverwork, what is there that goblins can do that wizards can't figure out and do for ourselves?" she said after listening to someone speak. Someone that she wasn't familiar with, but that didn't really matter at the moment. "As far as I know, they have made more trouble with all these rebellions than actually anything good."
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01-28-2010, 05:14 AM
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| | Nogtail
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"You depend on us to mint your gold. What will happen to your economy and your way of life, if we close up Gringotts Bank. There is a reason you allow us to continue to run our bank. Could it be that wizards don't trust each other with their gold?" | |
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01-28-2010, 05:19 AM
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| | Kappa
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"Just create a new bank." Which was the OBVIOUS answer there. "How can we really trust goblins with our money anyway? In my own opinion, we can't trust them anymore than we can trust any other person to watch over it. What do we really know what happens down in those vaults?" The huge 'protection' and all the dragons could just be a decoy to what they don't want everyone to see! Who knows...they could be secretly stealing money and possessions since they are all 'rebellious' and such.
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Originally Posted by individual "Why are goblins living with a world of wizards anyways? What use are you guys? Besides there silverwork, what is there that goblins can do that wizards can't figure out and do for ourselves?" she said after listening to someone speak. Someone that she wasn't familiar with, but that didn't really matter at the moment. "As far as I know, they have made more trouble with all these rebellions than actually anything good." Fred could hear conversation on the subject of wizards vrs Goblins started and he was sitting on the side representing goblins and one thing a Slytherin on the wizarding side said he felt deserved a retort and responded, "Oh, really, and who were the ones who provoked rebellions to begin, we just stuck together in supporting our fellow goblin in fighting for a reason. We wanted to be treated equally and in the beginning that was the only way our voice was heard. How would have you felt if goblins were the dominant species in society way back when and we belittled you. We fought for a reason, and I don't regret it. As for we don't have anything to offer besides our silver work which is indestructable mind you. We keep you're money safe in the vaults at Gringotts, we are the ones that run the place and all the precautions that gaurd you're money and mint you're money and even though a wizard now heads the bank we still run it and our system is better then anything wizards have ever tried. Goblins have their place in society that is just as important as that of wizards, and very few of us still participate in rebellions, and when we do we always do it for a good reason."
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Originally Posted by quidditch_captain Nymphy started discussing. "The real issue is trust and compromise!" he said with the most power he could muster. "Wizards need to trust goblins and accept some of their views, but Goblins must trust wizards and understand that they live within a wizarding world, a wizard government, and therefore need to conform to a wizard standard of trading and ownership. I do beleive we have a ministry body that regulates that. Its all in compromise!" he said, looking at both sides. Gold raised her hand. "I would like to point out that there should be no such thing as 'ownership,' in this picture," she began politely. "Goblins are an intelligent race, and not pets, to have owners. At the worst, they should be treated as minorities -- and you should remember that minorities, too, have full access to fundamental rights."
"But goblins? We don't. How can you deny that it's rather twisted to ask a race which can take care of itself, to let others be its 'masters'?" She frowned a bit, at the very thought. "We are a people, and not beasts; and we demand co-existence, not slavery." Quote:
Originally Posted by The1HBIC "If a goblin chooses to live in a wizarding world that is run by a wizarding government then yes, they need to live by the wizarding laws. No one is forcing you to live here with us, you do so by choice." Looking at the goblin, Marie tries to think of something to make the thing understand. "It is no different than if I was to choose to live in a muggle community as a muggle I would have to live by the muggle laws or face consequences if I broke the law." 'Ewww, really, who would want to live as a muggle?' she thought as a chill went down her spine. "... and what of fundamental rights?" Gold's hand was still in the air. "They are, are they not, a necessary part of wizard-witch laws. Then why do they not apply to goblins? We may not be 'human' but we have intelligence, a complete culture of our own."
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| | Kappa
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Originally Posted by Ellabella Fred could hear conversation on the subject of wizards vrs Goblins started and he was sitting on the side representing goblins and one thing a Slytherin on the wizarding side said he felt deserved a retort and responded, "Oh, really, and who were the ones who provoked rebellions to begin, we just stuck together in supporting our fellow goblin in fighting for a reason. We wanted to be treated equally and in the beginning that was the only way our voice was heard. How would have you felt if goblins were the dominant species in society way back when and we belittled you. We fought for a reason, and I don't regret it. As for we don't have anything to offer besides our silver work which is indestructable mind you. We keep you're money safe in the vaults at Gringotts, we are the ones that run the place and all the precautions that gaurd you're money and mint you're money and even though a wizard now heads the bank we still run it and our system is better then anything wizards have ever tried. Goblins have their place in society that is just as important as that of wizards, and very few of us still participate in rebellions, and when we do we always do it for a good reason." "Well, if you guys hadn't been demanding things and just went along with our own laws that we had down, than we wouldn't have all this rebelling. And apparently your reasoning isn't getting you any further than you were." But, his comment switching around the place of goblins and wizards did catch her attention. If that would have happened, she would have just went on her own and lived somewhere else. "What, so your place is to run Gringotts? What a great living...We could make our own money and run the bank just as well as any goblin can." Quote:
Originally Posted by SenoritaMaxie "But goblins? We don't. How can you deny that it's rather twisted to ask a race which can take care of itself, to let others be its 'masters'?" She frowned a bit, at the very thought. "We are a people, and not beasts; and we demand co-existence, not slavery."
"... and what of fundamental rights?" Gold's hand was still in the air. "They are, are they not, a necessary part of wizard-witch laws. Then why do they not apply to goblins? We may not be 'human' but we have intelligence, a complete culture of our own."
Though something someone else said caught her attention as well. "You guys say you can take care of yourselves and have your own culture. Than why are you trying to live in a wizards society? If you're so fed up being treated like beasts, than why not leave and live somewhere else?" 'Like the giants'. she continued in her mind, a small smile on her lips. 'Or better yet, they could live with the giants.'
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Originally Posted by quidditch_captain Nymphy through, then looked at his card.
Nymphy started discussing. "The real issue is trust and compromise!" he said with the most power he could muster. "Wizards need to trust goblins and accept some of their views, but Goblins must trust wizards and understand that they live within a wizarding world, a wizard government, and therefore need to conform to a wizard standard of trading and ownership. I do beleive we have a ministry body that regulates that. Its all in compromise!" he said, looking at both sides. Allison fiddled with her quill and instead of writing anything on her piece of parchment she drew an angry goblin with their hands on their waist. Above the Goblin's head Allison wrote Momiji the awesome goblin. Then next to the goblin's shoulder she made a speech bubble and wrote, "I want power."
Hearing the said statements she huffed and puffed and slightly offended spoke, "I for a proud Goblin must say that compromise it usually trampled by witches and wizards alike. We are betrayed at every opportunity. If you say we Goblins live in wizarding world with a wizarding government, then I demand that we be allowed to participate in such government. Your ministry needs the views of not only wizards and witches...it needs a Goblin hand!" | |
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01-28-2010, 06:42 AM
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Ohhh debates. How Destiny hated them. Not because she didn't know how, it was just sometimes people, not Destiny of course, got carried away. But so far this debate was going okay. No one drew their wands yet.
Both sides were throwing out good points, but as she was on the wizarding side, they had better points. 'Goblins want to be treated like everyone else, yet they still speak their language. Okay, some of them do speak English.' Okay, maybe most of them did. 'Why should they get to speak both, when if we,' the wizards, 'would try speaking Gobbledegook, they would probably get mad or something.' Did Goblins get mad? 'If they don't want to get treated like 'creatures', maybe they should leave their 'creature' traits behind.'
Destiny had to chuckle at the Ravenclaw Goblin that spoke of a Goblin hand, 'Goblin hands just don't reach as far as a wizard hand.' Even though that had nothing to do with this debate.
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01-28-2010, 07:15 AM
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Originally Posted by destinyjazzhands Ohhh debates. How Destiny hated them. Not because she didn't know how, it was just sometimes people, not Destiny of course, got carried away. But so far this debate was going okay. No one drew their wands yet.
Both sides were throwing out good points, but as she was on the wizarding side, they had better points. 'Goblins want to be treated like everyone else, yet they still speak their language. Okay, some of them do speak English.' Okay, maybe most of them did. 'Why should they get to speak both, when if we,' the wizards, 'would try speaking Gobbledegook, they would probably get mad or something.' Did Goblins get mad? 'If they don't want to get treated like 'creatures', maybe they should leave their 'creature' traits behind.'
Destiny had to chuckle at the Ravenclaw Goblin that spoke of a Goblin hand, 'Goblin hands just don't reach as far as a wizard hand.' Even though that had nothing to do with this debate. "Hey, our language is part of our culture, it's part of who I am as a goblin and if you manage to learn our language and we still don't want to pay attention to you it's because of how bad you treat us. We never said you could not learn our language but it's our choice if we chose to respond. Just like even though we do know the English language you choose to ignore us. All we want a say in the government in this society cause we live here too, we deserve a voice that will be heard and if you choose to ignore our plea then you only have yourselves to blame when some of my kind choose to rebel for the hope of a better future for goblins where we have a say in the society we live in, it's only fair.".
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