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Today the observatory contained desks for the students to sit at, arranged in a half-moon shape though each of the desks were slightly misaligned.

There was an orb of sorts in the centre of the room which appeared to be a three dimensional 'blackboard' of sorts, shaped so that it could be seen from every angle of the rounded tower room.

The board was not empty.

It contained an image with no words to accompany it.



Professor Truebridge was sitting in a chair underneath the orb, tapping a beat out on his knee and humming a tune while he waited for his students to arrive.

Each desk had plenty of parchment and quills provided, suggesting that the students might need extra at some point in the lesson.

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"We are going to move on to discuss some of the owners of the Deathstick, in particular Gregorovitch and Gellert Grindelwald. What do you know about them?
Raising her hand Marie said "Sir, from what I understand Gregorovitch was a wandmaker who was trying to duplicate the powers of the death stick. It was stolen from him by the Dark Wizard Gellert Grindelwald, who used it to cause havoc in Europe until he was defeated by Albus Dumbledore. The ownership of the wand was then passed to Dumbledore."
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Fyo raised his hand, for the umpteenth time that day. "Gregorovitch was a pretty well-known wandmaker in his time, sir," he began politely. "When he realized he had the Elder Wand in his possession, he tried to duplicate its powers. Oh, and I believe he also started a rumour about this experimental work of his, because he hoped it would improve business - only, it ended in a "theif" breaking into his shop, and shooting a Stunner at him that deprived him of the Wand. He was later killed by Voldemort, when the latter was in search of the Deathstick."

He took a deep breath, then continued, "The person who stole his wand was Gellert Grindelwald of the Durmstrang Institute, later one of the most famous dark wizards of his time. He was imprisoned in Nurmengard - a prison he had himself built for his foes - after Albus Dumbledore, once his friend, defeated him in a very well-known duel in 1945. He didn't die a natural death either," Fyo added, with a slight shake of his head. "Voldemort murdered him."

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"Sir, Gregorovitch was a well known and famous wand maker. Grindelwald was a infamous dark wizard. He lived in Godric hollow the some place Harry Potter lived with his parents. Professor Dumbledore who was his friend defeated him in a duel. He was imprisoned in Nurmengard for decades. That was how Porfessor Dumbledore got the Elder Wand." Kay stated after she had raised her hand.
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Raising her hand Alexandra said, "Gregorovitch was a wand maker. He made wands for some of the Durmstrang's. Grindelwald actually stole the Elder Wand from Gregorovitch. Gellert Grindelwald was once Dumbledore's best friend, but once he realized that Grindelwald was wrong in his decision to eradicate the non wizards Dumbledore dueled him and won the Elder wand. "
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Evelyn, who was staring at the donuts in slight disgust, suddenly raised her hand. "Gregorovitch was a wand maker who came into possession of the Elder wand, and of course, once he found out what kind of wand he had at the moment, he tried to duplicate it...at the same time, pretty much boasting that he had the Elder wand." Evelyn tried very hard not to roll his eyes. "But then Grindelwald stole it from him, though Gregorovitch didn't know who he was, and was later defeated by Albus Dumbledore in 1945 who then took the Elder wand."

"But i think that Voldemort paid a 'visit'..." she said, air quoting visit, "To Gregorovitch and tried to find out who took the wand and where it was. Once he did find out, he murdered him and went off looking for that person. I'm not sure on that part though..." she was sure she left out a ton of details, but surely everyone else would fill it in. "Wasn't Grindelwald like really into the...dark arts and stuff? And that he was friends with Dumbledore?"
"Right on both counts. Grindelwald was a known dark artist." Ethan agreed, "And he was once friends with Albus Dumbledore."

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Flipping through her notes she raised her hand . "Gregorovitch was an European wand maker that made the wand of Victor Krum. He retired from the wand-making business in the mid 1980's. It is said that Gregorovitch was bragging about owning the Elder wand and Grindelwald stole it in the mid 1940's. Gellert Grindelwald was a dark wizard but was also a dear friend of Albus Dumbledore. He want to establish wizard supremacy over Muggles, but was defeated by Dumbledore in 1945 and imprisoned for the rest of his life."
"As well as many other European wands. My own wand, Michelle, is a Gregorovitch wand." As in, not the cherry wood wand he currently had possession of.

"Alright, Fyo mentioned that a stunner was shot at Gregorovitch, by the thief. How is this an important factor?"
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Fyo's hand shot in the air. "That allowed the thief mastership of the wand, professor," he said. "If Grindelwald hadn't stunned Gregorovitch, he wouldn't have "defeated" the Elder Wand's previous owner, and the wand might not have bent to his will."

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"Would that mean Grindelwald was now the 'owner' of the wand?" Evelyn asked more than answered after raising her hand. "Since he 'defeated' Gregorovitch and won the wand. Wait, but would just stunning him mean he still won the wand?"
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Herminny raised her hand hoping she was right in what she thought was the answer saying, "I think that the act of Grindlewald stunning Gregorovitch so he could escape with the elder wand passed it's allegance to Grindlewald cause the wand to see his old master as defeated by him and his new master as Grindlewald Though because he did'nt truly defeat it's former owner the wand only had partial allegance to him cause if not he would'nt have been able to use it's power to kill forming a dark army in Europe and the feirce duel that he had with Dumbledore would have ended in his defeat a lot sooner then it did but he was defeated proving the wand only gave him partial allegance.".
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"To gain true allegiance of a wand the owner must be defeated. THe wand will work for another owner without having been defeated, but it won't work as well as it would if it were won." Alexandra said with a raised hand.
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"Right on both counts. Grindelwald was a known dark artist." Ethan agreed, "And he was once friends with Albus Dumbledore."



"As well as many other European wands. My own wand, Michelle, is a Gregorovitch wand." As in, not the cherry wood wand he currently had possession of.

"Alright, Fyo mentioned that a stunner was shot at Gregorovitch, by the thief. How is this an important factor?"
"Sir if the thief shot a stunner at Gregorovitch. Would that count as a duel? I don't think so. So how would the Elder Wand work for him?" Kay questioned. "Unless Gregorovitch had the wand in his hand when the stunner hit him? When the power would go on with the new person."
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"Concisely put." Truebridge nodded.



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"Right on both counts. Grindelwald was a known dark artist." Ethan agreed, "And he was once friends with Albus Dumbledore."



"As well as many other European wands. My own wand, Michelle, is a Gregorovitch wand." As in, not the cherry wood wand he currently had possession of.

"Alright, Fyo mentioned that a stunner was shot at Gregorovitch, by the thief. How is this an important factor?"
"Ownership of the wand wouldn't have been recognized if it was merely stolen from the owner. By using a stunner, Gregorovitch was technically disarmed by the thief and thus ownership was passed to said thief." she offered after raising her hand.

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Carter raised his hand. "The owner has to be overpowered for the wand to be passed on and work for a new owner." he said.
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Kylie raised her hand, "If he hadn't shot that 'stunner', the wand would have not switched possessions." Kylie said curtly. Her classes were really starting to wear her out, despite the coffee she'd been given earlier.
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Raising her hand straight up in the air Zoe responded, "Yes, professor the previous owner does need to be defeated, but it doesn't have to be in a duel. Simply disarming the owner is enough. This is how Draco Malfoy gained allegiance from Professor Dumbledore. He didn't even know that he had gained the wands power nor did he ever wield it. Harry Potter then only disarmed him when he had his own wand, not even the Elder Wand. So the wand doesn't even have to ever be in your posession to transfer allegiance."

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Tavelon tried to speak up, but a mouthful of doughnut prohibited him from getting the answer before the others. Still, he figured he may as well try to be active in the conversation. Swallowing, he raised his hand. "Um, Professor? If the Elder wand is supposedly unbeatable, that would mean that the only way to pass it on was outside of a duel, right? Like when Harry Potter acquired it from Draco Malfoy or Grindelwald from Gregorovitch?"
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"Alright, Fyo mentioned that a stunner was shot at Gregorovitch, by the thief. How is this an important factor?"
Professor Truebridge's wand is Gregorovich's? But didn't Voldemort kill him in the war? Nataly thought, confused. She just couldn't believe it was true.
She raised her hand to answer the question. "If Grindevald didn't stun Gregorovich, he won't defeat him, and the wand wouldn't belong to him. Also, Gregorovich would be able to chase after him and take the wand back."
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Fyo raised his hand, for the umpteenth time that day. "Gregorovitch was a pretty well-known wandmaker in his time, sir," he began politely. "When he realized he had the Elder Wand in his possession, he tried to duplicate its powers. Oh, and I believe he also started a rumour about this experimental work of his, because he hoped it would improve business - only, it ended in a "theif" breaking into his shop, and shooting a Stunner at him that deprived him of the Wand. He was later killed by Voldemort, when the latter was in search of the Deathstick."

He took a deep breath, then continued, "The person who stole his wand was Gellert Grindelwald of the Durmstrang Institute, later one of the most famous dark wizards of his time. He was imprisoned in Nurmengard - a prison he had himself built for his foes - after Albus Dumbledore, once his friend, defeated him in a very well-known duel in 1945. He didn't die a natural death either," Fyo added, with a slight shake of his head. "Voldemort murdered him."

sir, i don't know much but i know that Gregorovitch was a wandmaker and that he spreaded the rumour about the Elder Wand and Gellert Grindelwald stole it from him, and dumbledore beat him in a duel. I also know that voldemort killed Gregorovitch while looking for it.

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"Hmmm. Right." Ethan answered.



"Right on both counts. Grindelwald was a known dark artist." Ethan agreed, "And he was once friends with Albus Dumbledore."



"As well as many other European wands. My own wand, Michelle, is a Gregorovitch wand." As in, not the cherry wood wand he currently had possession of.

"Alright, Fyo mentioned that a stunner was shot at Gregorovitch, by the thief. How is this an important factor?"
Amadeus shot his hand in the air "Sir i hae a Question, if Grindewald stunned him i don't think that makes him the owner of the Elder Wand. Wouldn't he have to disarm him, like draco did to Dumbledore."

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Raising her hand Marie said "Sir,I believe that since Grindelwald stole the wand from Gregorovitch by using the stunner spell Dumbledore was able to win the duel against Grindewald, as Grindelwald had not "captured" the wand in the proper way causing it to never fully work for him"
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Ethan listened to the answers and held up his finger.

"Now I am glad I asked this question because there seems to be some confusion. Carter put it most succinctly 'The owner has to be overpowered for the wand to be passed on and work for a new owner.' Remember that it was a misconception that one needed to duel the Master of the wand in order to conquer it. Another way to put it is that the Master of the wand needed to be conqured rather than the wand itself."

An owl flew in the open window and started to flap around the class, a note addressed to the professor attached to its leg.

Truebridge ignored it in favour of asking another question.

"Moving on to Grindelwald, the thief. A few of you have already mentioned a few details about him, and about his connection to Dumbledore. So tell me, who knows what happened that sent these two, who were once best friends, on divergent paths?"
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Alexandra's hand shot up and she said, " Well, sir. I think it was because when Grindelwald was told by Dumbledore that he coudln't go with him to start their work Grindelwald got angry and they dueled. While the duel was happening Headmaster Dumbledore's sister, Arianna, was killed. Dumbledore never forgave himself for it and changed his ways after that."
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"Didn't Grindelwald accidentally kill Dumbledore's sister or something?" Evelyn asked after raising her hand. "And also Dumbledore said he didn't want to continue on with the plan that Grindelwald and him made...yea..." she trailed off when she heard a Gryffindor speak. "What she said..."
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Ethan listened to the answers and held up his finger.

"Now I am glad I asked this question because there seems to be some confusion. Carter put it most succinctly 'The owner has to be overpowered for the wand to be passed on and work for a new owner.' Remember that it was a misconception that one needed to duel the Master of the wand in order to conquer it. Another way to put it is that the Master of the wand needed to be conqured rather than the wand itself."

An owl flew in the open window and started to flap around the class, a note addressed to the professor attached to its leg.

Truebridge ignored it in favour of asking another question.

"Moving on to Grindelwald, the thief. A few of you have already mentioned a few details about him, and about his connection to Dumbledore. So tell me, who knows what happened that sent these two, who were once best friends, on divergent paths?"
Tavelon absentmindedly watched the owl flutter across the room, then shook himself to the present, raising his hand. "Wuh, Dumbuhduh hu bruduh-" he began with a mouthful of doughnut, then paused sheepishly and swallowed. "Erm... sorry, Professor. I believe Albus Dumbledore's brother was the one who started things, because he disapproved of his plans with Grindelwald. So things got tense and they dueled and Dumbledore, Albus, that is, his sister was killed in the crossfire"
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"Sir, Aberforth Dumbledore confronted his brother, Professor Dumbledore about their sister Ariana. A fright broke out between the thre men and Ariana got killed. This is made Professor Dumbledore realize that Grindelwald was wrong. That is when Professor Dumbledore got the Elder wand."Kay said.
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Herminny raised her hand and to answer yet again saying, Grindlewald befreinded Albus Dumbledore in his youth when they both had ambition for glory for wizards to rule over muggles which formed a close relationship. Albus's brother Aberforth did not like this one bit and attempted to stop Dubledore from persuing this ambition by telling him he had to care for his damaged sister. Dumbledore did'nt want this and Grindlewald went on the defensive for him but took it too far using the cruciatus curse on Aberforth infuiating Albus Dumbledore and a three way duel in which Ariana was accidentally killed because she did'nt have great control over her magic. Both Albus and Aberforth mourned their sisters death and Albus soon after ended his freindship with Grindlewald cause this occurance proved to Dumbledore that Grindlewald did'nt care about his loved ones".
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Marie raised her hand to answer "Sir, Grindelwald was schooled at Durmstrang Institute and later took up a friendship with Albus Dumbledore when he lived in Godric's Hollow for a summer. This friendship fell apart after the two were involved in a three-way duel with Aberforth Dumbledore that resulted in Ariana Dumbledore's death."
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