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The observatory was empty. No cushions for the older students. No desks either.

Even all the astronomy equipment was gone.

Professor Truebridge was not there and the only thing of note within the circular room was a long, curving line which had been painted in an arc around approximately 3/4 of the tower floor.


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Rachel kept quiet for a bit and listened to the other's answers, all the while thinking of more Dark wizards who were motivated by either fear or power. Well, fear was really easy... "Sir, I think that all the Death Eaters, with no exceptions, were motivated by fear," the sixth year stated, quite confident. The Malfoy's, even with their position in the wizarding world, had been reduced to a quivering mass of fear by Voldemort - which is not to say that Malfoy Senior didn't WANT power... He wanted it in the beginning, but judging from the books she'd red, all he probably cared about in the end was making it out alive.

"Salazar Slytherin, I believe, was motivated purely by power," Rachel said, her mind drifting away from Malfoy and towards his House founder. She couldn't really imagine anything he had been afraid of... HAD he been scared? "Right?"
"The Deatheaters by fear and Slytherin by power." Ethan repeated and made a few adjustments to the list.

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Chris raised his hand when Professor Truebridge had the list of Dark Wizards and their reasons placed up on the board to add a reason to one of the wizards without one. "Professor, I think that the Gaunt Family used Dark Magic on others because of their arrogance. Didn't they constantly talk about their relationship to Slytherin? Perhaps they used Dark maic because other withches and wizards didn't treat them the way that they believed decendents of Salazar Slytherin should be treated."
"We are talking about Fear and Power as motivators, please pay attention." Truebridge raised one eyebrow at the Gryffindor prefect when he'd finished speaking. It wasn't that he was wrong it was just that he clearly hadn't been paying attention.

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Dominic listened as Professor Truebridge answered to his suggestion on fight or flight. Noticing the Professor's expression seem to shift to a more closed one, the seventh year frowned as he watched the History professor, hoping everything was alright. Because if that largeee, annoying man were to be giving Truebridge trouble, then he'd have another thing coming.

Oh... what? Back to talking about dark wizards and the difference as to which were motivated by fear or power. His classmates had already touched on some of the more well-known dark wizards and so Dominic just listened for a bit longer, as Rachel and Chris both spoke on other dark wizards.

Raising his hand, Dominic chewed his lower lip thoughtfully for another moment before speaking. "I think that one could argue that most of the death eaters, if not all, could actually be categorized as being motivated by fear. That is fear of the Dark Lord, of Voldemort himself. All of them, with the exception of Bellatrix, who would also have some power motivational factor. Because Bellatrix wanted to be the best... Voldemort's 'top performer', if you will. The others, just didn't want to die and so they were motivated to perform the dark arts because of fear of their master..." Dominic sighed, falling silent at those words.
"So Bellatrix Lestrange was motivated by both? Very well." Ethan added that to the list.

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I think Regulus Black was motivated to become a dark wizard by love, tradition, and family loyalty. The Black family have followed Salazar Slytherin's opinion on pureblood wizards for generations. Orion Black, Sirius and Regulus's father, hated muggle with a passion too. He fortified his house, Number 12 Grimald Place so no muggle would know it even existed. Tradition said Orion and Walburga's sons would follow the family's way. That meant be students in Slytherin house, believe pureblood wizards are superior to all other wizards, and to hate muggles. Sirius rebelled against his family. To quote Kreacher, "Sirius broke his mother's heart." This left Regulus to do the right thing. Regulus loved his family, so he did what his parent's expected of him. He became a deatheater."

"It's ironic to me that love is also what caused Regulus's downfall. Voldemort needed someone to check out his security measure at the cave he hid his locket horcrux. Regulus loaned him Kreacher. Voldemort didn't love anyone, so he decided to sacrifice Kreacher to make sure his security measures worked. He didn't count on Kreacher being able to aparate from the cave. Kreacher returned to Regulus and told him what Voldemort had done. Regulus betrayed Voldemort, stole his locket horcrux, and gave it to Kreacher for safekeeping. Instead of aparating to safety with his house elf, Regulus remained in the cave and died at the hands of the Inferi. Regulus chose death rather than betray his family and their traditions. Better a dead deatheater than a live traitor."
"That's all very well and good, Abby but just like Chris, the motivators that we are supposed to be talking about are fear and power." Ethan moved on, expressionless.

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Adrienne raised her hand again as the discussion of the motivations continued, wanting to make another point. Almost involuntarily needing to, actually. "While everyone has a good point in saying that the Death Eaters all were somewhat motivated by fear of Voldemort, I actually think more than just Bellatrix was also motivated by power. The Lestranges, namely Bellatrix's husband and his brother, also seemed to find a bit of power among the structure of the Death Eaters as a group, and that had to motivate them to keep their position. Power is addicting, so why would they only be motivated by their fear of Voldemort turning on them? He actually seemed to have some sort of respect for them, if you think about it. And Dolohov. Wasn't there something about how Voldemort had to make a point to the Death Eaters who were around when he regained power when Harry Potter was fourteen? That he thought the Death Eaters who had ended up in Azkaban were more loyal to him than all the rest? That gave them a kind of power, and there's no way they can't have been motivated by that." She didn't know if it made sense, or if Professor Truebridge even would think it was valid, but she had to say it.
"The Lestranges, and Dolohov by power and fear." Ethan added that to the list.

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"Oh," LouAnn half-whispered, sinking down in her seat just a little. Why'd she always have to get so distracted? It caused her to miss key points in lesson, such as the one she'd just so obviously not picked up on. "Sorry, sir. How about, erm...Barty Crouch, Jr.?" she questioned, her hand raised. "I've read that he was very intelligent and often acted as if he just knew how smart he was, maybe even thinking he was better than others. His father even said he got twelve OWLs!"

She cleared her throat and lowered her hand, a thoughtful expression on her face. "So, he impersonated "Mad-Eye" Moody once, too, right? My line of thinking if that he knew and understood how very intelligent he was, and he knew he could outsmart a lot of other people. I think arrogance was a lot of the reasoning behind why he acted the way he did. He thought he was better than others and knew he could get away with things they might not have even seen coming."
"Power. And. Fear." Ethan repeated loudly, though his voice remained a monotone.

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"I believe that a lot of Deatheaters were motivated by fear and power at the same time. But I don't think that it was just fear of Voldemort. Think about it, if you were part of a family that always supported the Dark Lord than wouldn't you be afraid that they would disown you or kill you if you didn't join him too? Then after that people may be too scared to turn from Voldemort from fear of what the 'light side' may have forced them to do, from fear that in the end their defection from Voldemort would end with them spilling their guts for the light side before being shipped off to Azkaban as a traitor to both sides." Reid theorized, hoping that what he was saying was making some sense. He hadn't been recently but he was trying to start again, or if not start again than to ACT like he was going to be okay.

"That being said I believe that people like Morgan Le Fay were motivated by power, and the power that they were told they wouldn't be able to achieve. So then it could be said that some of them were simply motivated to prove others opinions of them false. Then I think there are wizards that started out with good intentions, were motivated to do what they did for the good of others, but who ended up corrupted by the power they were able to accumulate. After all power can corrupt anyone no matter how strong their spirit or just their intentions may be." he ended with a slight shrug.
"Excellent point. Not just fear of Voldemort, there are many different kinds of fair if you look closer. And Morgan Le Fay for Power." Truebridge added to the list.

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Hmmm.

Raiden stared at the list on the board for a moment before he moved his eyes to the parchment in front of him. He drew three columns down it quietly, eyes shifting from the board, to the parchment, then back again as he started to sort them by what he believed.

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Motivated by Fear
Peter Pettigrew
Alecto and Amycus Carrow
Regulus Black
Antonin Dolohov
Salazar Slytherin
The Gaunt Family

Motivated by Power
Fenrir Greyback
Barty Crouch Jr
Durmstrang students and professors

Motivated by Both
Lord Voldemort (Tom Riddle)
Bellatrix Black/Lestrange and her husband
Crabbe/ his son Vincent
Goyle/ his son Gregory
Gellert Grindelwald
Lord Voldemortist (Thomas Duskirk)

Other/Unsure
Yaxley
Bartemius Crouch Sr
Hereward Godelot and his father
Morgan le Fay
Herpo the Foul
Emeric The Evil
Merwyn the Malicious
Loxias


Well.

"Sir... Uhmm. Well." He started mumbling, his voice going down to barely audible. "There's quite a lot of them." He stared at his parchment again. There were quite a few listed in the 'unsure' category, but... well he wasn't sure. "I don't think many were motivated purely by power, at the very least..."

It would be easier if Professor Truebridge just... took the list. Yes. Because he would know where all the people in the 'unsure' category belonged.

"I think more of them were motivated by a mixture of the two than by purely one or the other. Because there's conflicting, er, viewpoints on the things that they did."
Truebridge listened carefully and took the list from Raiden.
"I'll just add these to the list, then shall I? Did you want to elaborate on some of your reasoning behind these?"

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Samson listened as he lounged lazily on the bean bag, his arms splayed on either side of him and his legs spread slightly. But even as he was positioned that way, it didn't mean he wasn't paying close attention to the discussion. In fact, he was just fueling up his brain juices to give a good answer. Though, it wasn't often that he could convince himself. Oh well. He could always try.

"I think Bellatrix Lestrange was motivated by both fear and power, that is to say, fear as one of her motivations to gain some kind of power. She feared Voldemort and would do anything to gain his approval, and she knew that if she somehow became Voldemort's 'favorite' - whatever it took, mind you - she'd have more power over the other Death Eaters. On a side note, the Death Eaters were also motivated by fear and power, because they feared Voldemort - not a noble fear, but fear as in being afraid of him - plus, being a Death Eater would immediately instill fear in everyone who knew, therefore giving them a feeling of being dominant and powerful.

"Another example would be Regulus Black who, I think, was fueled more by power? His family after all was a big impact in his life, and being constant and loyal followers of Lord Voldemort in the first place, it would be natural for him to follow in their footsteps. Of course, in the end, he had a change of heart. I always did admire him for being the sort of undercover mysterious kind of person, and how he proved Lord Voldemort could easily be fooled with the right actions."
Ethan nodded along at the 'both' comments.

"Ah. Power for Regulus Black. I think that is some good reasoning." Truebridge nodded.

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Distracted from her earlier discomfort, Celandine raised her hand thoughtfully.

"Professor, I think we can afford to make some generalisations based on what we know from the history books. Like any Wizards that are associated with Horcruxes, like Herpo the Foul and Lord Voldemort, are motivated by both fear and power; fear of death and power over it.

Likewise, I think we can safely say that the majority of dark wizards that were at one time or another the owner of the Elder Wand, are motivated by power more than fear. That would be Emeric The Evil, Loxias and the Goldelots.

Gellert Grindelwald is an exception because history tells us that he fled England, unable to face the guilt for his part in the death of Ariana Dumbledore. Guilt is sometimes a kind of fear I think. So Grindelwald was motivated by both."

Cela explained her views on a few of the wizards on the list, deciding not to go into detail on all of them.
"I like to hear generalisations justified." Truebridge nodded in appreciation and added the suggested answers to the list.


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Lord Voldemort (Tom Riddle) Power and Fear

Deatheaters:
Bellatrix Black/Lestrange and her husband Fear and Power
Peter Pettrigrew Fear
Alecto and Amycus Carrow Fear
Regulus Black Power
Fenrir GreybackPower and Fear
Antonin Dolohov Fear and Power
Crabbe/ his son Vincent Fear
Goyle/ his son Gregory Fear
Yaxley Fear
Barty Crouch Jr Power Fear
Bartemius Crouch Sr Fear
Lucius Malfoy Fear and Power


The Gaunt Family


Hereward Godelot and his father Power
Gellert Grindelwald Power and Fear

Lord Voldemortist (Thomas Duskirk) Power and Fear

Morgan le Fay Power
Herpo the FoulPower
Emeric The Evil Power
Durmstrang students and professors Power
Merwyn the Malicious
Salazar Slytherin Power
Loxias Power
"Any thoughts on the Gaunt Family? On Merwyn the Malicious? Any up there that you don't agree with? We're almost done here and most of you are doing well. At least... those of you that are paying attention." Ethan shook his head once and tapped the chalk against the board.
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Kiri put aside her quill and flexed her aching hand. She'd been scribbling at top speed to get everything down. Not an easy feat, considering she was sitting on a squashy pillow on the floor with no table to put her parchment down upon. In the end, she had settled for placing it, supported by her notebook, on her lap. The quill had tickled her face as she wrote.

Now she could finally do something else, even if it meant having to do thinking that was up to Professor Truebridge's standards. She raised her hand. "There's not much known about Merwyn the Malicious," she told the professor. At least I don't know much about him, she added silently. "But as he's said to have invented Dark hexes and jinxes, I think it looks as if he was more motivated by power than fear. He wanted to control his enemies' fear, though, by making up all that Dark magic."

Kiri scratched her head, trying to remember what she'd read about the Gaunts. She longed to uncross her legs, too, her feet were numb. "Er... Marvolo Gaunt, I'd say he was doing it for power as well. I mean, he was really proud to be Pureblood, even if it meant living in poverty. His son," she continued, ticking them off on her fingers, "I'd say power as well, but mainly because he was taught by his father. That's why he hated Muggles and non-Purebloods. Maybe there was an element of fear, too, though," she added as an afterthought, "seeing as he usually attacked Muggles who couldn't defend themselves against magic. And er, Merope..." Kiri gave a shrug. "I think she doesn't fit into this pattern of fear and power. She wasn't a Dark witch, anyway."
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"I would say Marvolo Gaunt was obsessed with pride at being a descendant of Salazar Slytheran. You would call it power. Marvolo did use his power to dominate his children. He bullied them excessively."

"Morfin Gaunt was a combination of power and fear. He was afraid of his father, but at the same time defied him. Morfin liked to use his magical abilities to frighten the muggle- one muggle in particular Tom Riddle, Sr."

"At first I would say Merope was totally fear, but after describing her brother, I think she would be power and fear too. She feared her father to the point she could not perform magic. After her father and brother were sentenced to Azkaban, Merope discovered her own power. She used a love potion to force Tom Riddle to marry her. Merope became pregnant with his son. When Riddle deserted her, Merope's fear returned. She was so devastated Merope lost not only her magical abilities again, but her will to live."

"I'm sorry about not paying closer attention to what you said earlier, Professor Truebridge. I will try to stay more focused in the future." What is it with this teacher? I don't have a problem staying focused in any other class. Why do I let Truebridge intimidate me?
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Copernicus glanced up from his notes (which he had been working on intensely... clearly NOT distracted. Nope. Not this one) with his brow wrinkled. So that left... Merwyn? The one who sounded like Merlin's lispy cousin?

He raised his hand. "I would say anyone who seeks to invent something that clearly causes harm most likely has a seated desire to invoke harm on people in a completely new and unknown way in order to better instill fear. If you can't understand what causes your suffering, it makes the suffering more severe. For that reason, I would suspect Merwyn the Malicious was primarily motivated by a hunger for power."

He rubbed his hand across his hair, sending it into disarray. "But without knowing more full details on the man, its hard to say. Afterall, maybe he was bullied and wanted the means to keep from being picked on. Maybe he was diminutive. Maybe something of both."
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"I don't agree with Barty Crouch, Sr. He was driven by more than just fear. In his day Barty Crouch, Sr. was a very ambitious man. He wanted to be Minister of Magic, and he didn't care what he had to do to achieve that goal. During Voldemort's first rise to power, Crouch put a number of suspected deatheaters in Azkaban without the benefit of a trial. Sirius Black was among his victims. Crouch was so determined to save what was left of his career after it came out that his son was also a deatheater, Barty didn't bat an eyelash when he sentenced his own son to Azkaban also without a trial."
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"Couldn't part of that link back to fear though?" Reid asked Abby. "I mean you say he was desperate and put suspected Death Eaters into Azkaban without a trial so couldn't that be because he was afraid of what would happen to his career if he didn't sentence them to Azkaban, especially after his son was named a Death Eater. He could have been afraid that he would be suspected of being sympathetic towards Voldemort if he didn't place them in Azkaban." Reid theorized. Really if you looked at it nearly everything could be linked back to fear.
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"I don't disagree with fear. I just feel that it isn't the only reason Barty Crouch, Sr. should be considered a dark wizard. I agree with you that his fear did start after his son was discovered to be a deatheater."
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"I would say Marvolo Gaunt was obsessed with pride at being a descendant of Salazar Slytheran. You would call it power. Marvolo did use his power to dominate his children. He bullied them excessively."

"Morfin Gaunt was a combination of power and fear. He was afraid of his father, but at the same time defied him. Morfin liked to use his magical abilities to frighten the muggle- one muggle in particular Tom Riddle, Sr."

"At first I would say Merope was totally fear, but after describing her brother, I think she would be power and fear too. She feared her father to the point she could not perform magic. After her father and brother were sentenced to Azkaban, Merope discovered her own power. She used a love potion to force Tom Riddle to marry her. Merope became pregnant with his son. When Riddle deserted her, Merope's fear returned. She was so devastated Merope lost not only her magical abilities again, but her will to live."

"I'm sorry about not paying closer attention to what you said earlier, Professor Truebridge. I will try to stay more focused in the future." What is it with this teacher? I don't have a problem staying focused in any other class. Why do I let Truebridge intimidate me?
Adrienne listened to one of the Hufflepuffs speak about the Gaunt family, then raised her hand again. "I'd have to say, in a way, both Marvolo and Morfin seemed to be motivated by their power to instill fear in others. As Abby said, Marvolo found power in intimidating his children, but also other wizards. He saw way more power in what he saw as Salazar Slytherin's crest on his ring than almost was necessary, especially since we all know it wasn't Slytherin's crest on his ring at all. And Morfin liked tormenting pretty much everyone, just because he could. Except for his father.

And Merope, I don't think, really saw it as power she was being motivated by when she sought out to get Tom Riddle for her own. She did fear her father, so yes, part of her motivation could be said to be fear. But then, can love potions, in general, be considered as Dark magic? Since that's really all we've talked about her doing. I mean, I think love potions definitely would be misguided magic, but Dark?" She honestly wasn't sure.
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Er. The list on the board... Raiden stared at it for a moment before speaking up.

"Sir, I think... that Salazar Slytherin was motivated by fear, not power. In my opinion, the things he did were done out of the fear that Muggles and Muggleborns would take over Wizarding Society, pollute the bloodlines, and bring an end to magic as a whole. I don't believe he was seeking power, but searching for a way to preemptively halt that which he found threatening." Hmmm. "And Fenrir Greyback, I believe he was motivated solely by power, because... well he used his werewolf illness to inspire fear in others. He used fear, but I don't think he himself was motivated by it. I think it was all about power over others for him." Nod. "And The Gaunt Family, they were motivated by fear. At least, I believe that. Their actions seemed to be along the same lines as Salazar Slytherin's: they kinda came off like they feared their bloodlines being tainted by Muggles or Muggleborns."

Maybe. Possibly. Raiden was done talking now though; his face turned a little pink and he sank down in his chair ever so slightly. A few of his opinions seemed to be the opposite of his classmates'.
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"Power. And. Fear." Ethan repeated loudly, though his voice remained a monotone.

"Any thoughts on the Gaunt Family? On Merwyn the Malicious? Any up there that you don't agree with? We're almost done here and most of you are doing well. At least... those of you that are paying attention." Ethan shook his head once and tapped the chalk against the board.
LouAnn took a deep breath and blew it out in a quiet huff, causing a few pieces of her bangs to blow straight up in the process. History of Magic was turning out to be far more difficult than LouAnn imagined. It would help if she paid closer attention, though. "Right, sir. Power and fear. Got it," she half-mumbled.

She supposed she should tackle the Gaunt Family question now, seeing as she had no clue who Merwyn the Whatever was. Slowly---inch by inch by inch by inch---she raised her hand into the air once again. "Alrighty, let's go with power for the Gaunt Family. They're heirs of Salazar Slytherin's, so the need for more and more power has probably been handed down to their family from generation to generation," she said. That answer was a little too broad, though, so maybe she should break it down person by person.

"Marvolo Gaunt...let's see---power and fear. I say power, because he once attacked people from the Ministry of Magic who tried to arrest Morfin. I think that shows he thought he family was more powerful than the average and could defeat the law," she said. "I say fear, because he was known to have had a snake nailed to the front door of his home, probably as a means to show his heritage---Salazar Slytherin, I mean---and to instill fear in anyone coming to his doorstep."

"Erm, his wife, Merope---power, definitely. She used a love potion to trick this muggle, Tom Riddle, into marrying her. I think that shows that she thought she could control others by using various means---love potion, in that instance," she continued. "I think she had a hint of goodness in her, though, because she loved a muggle, which is something her ancestors were against, and she allowed the love potion she'd given Tom Riddle to eventually wear off."

"Okay, so who do we have left here? Morfin Gaunt---ummm, power, but only because he's known for hexing a man. Tom Riddle, even. I think that shows that to some extent, he sought ways to defeat others," she suggested. "Maybe even fear, too, since he's a Parselmouth. Parselmouth's control snakes, and maybe he used that talent to make people afraid of him, too."
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Kiri put aside her quill and flexed her aching hand. She'd been scribbling at top speed to get everything down. Not an easy feat, considering she was sitting on a squashy pillow on the floor with no table to put her parchment down upon. In the end, she had settled for placing it, supported by her notebook, on her lap. The quill had tickled her face as she wrote.

Now she could finally do something else, even if it meant having to do thinking that was up to Professor Truebridge's standards. She raised her hand. "There's not much known about Merwyn the Malicious," she told the professor. At least I don't know much about him, she added silently. "But as he's said to have invented Dark hexes and jinxes, I think it looks as if he was more motivated by power than fear. He wanted to control his enemies' fear, though, by making up all that Dark magic."

Kiri scratched her head, trying to remember what she'd read about the Gaunts. She longed to uncross her legs, too, her feet were numb. "Er... Marvolo Gaunt, I'd say he was doing it for power as well. I mean, he was really proud to be Pureblood, even if it meant living in poverty. His son," she continued, ticking them off on her fingers, "I'd say power as well, but mainly because he was taught by his father. That's why he hated Muggles and non-Purebloods. Maybe there was an element of fear, too, though," she added as an afterthought, "seeing as he usually attacked Muggles who couldn't defend themselves against magic. And er, Merope..." Kiri gave a shrug. "I think she doesn't fit into this pattern of fear and power. She wasn't a Dark witch, anyway."

"Merwyn for fear, Gaunts for power?" Ethan asked and gave Kiri an encouraging little nod.

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"I would say Marvolo Gaunt was obsessed with pride at being a descendant of Salazar Slytheran. You would call it power. Marvolo did use his power to dominate his children. He bullied them excessively."

"Morfin Gaunt was a combination of power and fear. He was afraid of his father, but at the same time defied him. Morfin liked to use his magical abilities to frighten the muggle- one muggle in particular Tom Riddle, Sr."

"At first I would say Merope was totally fear, but after describing her brother, I think she would be power and fear too. She feared her father to the point she could not perform magic. After her father and brother were sentenced to Azkaban, Merope discovered her own power. She used a love potion to force Tom Riddle to marry her. Merope became pregnant with his son. When Riddle deserted her, Merope's fear returned. She was so devastated Merope lost not only her magical abilities again, but her will to live."

"I'm sorry about not paying closer attention to what you said earlier, Professor Truebridge. I will try to stay more focused in the future." What is it with this teacher? I don't have a problem staying focused in any other class. Why do I let Truebridge intimidate me?
"It's quite alright Abby. Sounds like we want to divide the Gaunt family up." Ethan seperated them on the list. "Marvolo-Power, Merope - power and fear."

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Copernicus glanced up from his notes (which he had been working on intensely... clearly NOT distracted. Nope. Not this one) with his brow wrinkled. So that left... Merwyn? The one who sounded like Merlin's lispy cousin?

He raised his hand. "I would say anyone who seeks to invent something that clearly causes harm most likely has a seated desire to invoke harm on people in a completely new and unknown way in order to better instill fear. If you can't understand what causes your suffering, it makes the suffering more severe. For that reason, I would suspect Merwyn the Malicious was primarily motivated by a hunger for power."

He rubbed his hand across his hair, sending it into disarray. "But without knowing more full details on the man, its hard to say. Afterall, maybe he was bullied and wanted the means to keep from being picked on. Maybe he was diminutive. Maybe something of both."
"We'll go with power by your reasoning, I think." Ethan answered, offering Copernicus a wink.

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"I don't agree with Barty Crouch, Sr. He was driven by more than just fear. In his day Barty Crouch, Sr. was a very ambitious man. He wanted to be Minister of Magic, and he didn't care what he had to do to achieve that goal. During Voldemort's first rise to power, Crouch put a number of suspected deatheaters in Azkaban without the benefit of a trial. Sirius Black was among his victims. Crouch was so determined to save what was left of his career after it came out that his son was also a deatheater, Barty didn't bat an eyelash when he sentenced his own son to Azkaban also without a trial."
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"Couldn't part of that link back to fear though?" Reid asked Abby. "I mean you say he was desperate and put suspected Death Eaters into Azkaban without a trial so couldn't that be because he was afraid of what would happen to his career if he didn't sentence them to Azkaban, especially after his son was named a Death Eater. He could have been afraid that he would be suspected of being sympathetic towards Voldemort if he didn't place them in Azkaban." Reid theorized. Really if you looked at it nearly everything could be linked back to fear.
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"I don't disagree with fear. I just feel that it isn't the only reason Barty Crouch, Sr. should be considered a dark wizard. I agree with you that his fear did start after his son was discovered to be a deatheater."
"So Power and Fear for Crouch Sr? You make an excellent point, Abby, as do you Reid."

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Adrienne listened to one of the Hufflepuffs speak about the Gaunt family, then raised her hand again. "I'd have to say, in a way, both Marvolo and Morfin seemed to be motivated by their power to instill fear in others. As Abby said, Marvolo found power in intimidating his children, but also other wizards. He saw way more power in what he saw as Salazar Slytherin's crest on his ring than almost was necessary, especially since we all know it wasn't Slytherin's crest on his ring at all. And Morfin liked tormenting pretty much everyone, just because he could. Except for his father.

And Merope, I don't think, really saw it as power she was being motivated by when she sought out to get Tom Riddle for her own. She did fear her father, so yes, part of her motivation could be said to be fear. But then, can love potions, in general, be considered as Dark magic? Since that's really all we've talked about her doing. I mean, I think love potions definitely would be misguided magic, but Dark?" She honestly wasn't sure.
"They often are dark magic. Messing with the free will of others is generall considered an act of dark magic. With Merope, it is more that she is a product of dark magic than a Dark Witch herself. However, that contrast is interesting enough that I am going to leave her on the list." Ethan nodded at the bright young Ravenclaw.

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Er. The list on the board... Raiden stared at it for a moment before speaking up.

"Sir, I think... that Salazar Slytherin was motivated by fear, not power. In my opinion, the things he did were done out of the fear that Muggles and Muggleborns would take over Wizarding Society, pollute the bloodlines, and bring an end to magic as a whole. I don't believe he was seeking power, but searching for a way to preemptively halt that which he found threatening." Hmmm. "And Fenrir Greyback, I believe he was motivated solely by power, because... well he used his werewolf illness to inspire fear in others. He used fear, but I don't think he himself was motivated by it. I think it was all about power over others for him." Nod. "And The Gaunt Family, they were motivated by fear. At least, I believe that. Their actions seemed to be along the same lines as Salazar Slytherin's: they kinda came off like they feared their bloodlines being tainted by Muggles or Muggleborns."

Maybe. Possibly. Raiden was done talking now though; his face turned a little pink and he sank down in his chair ever so slightly. A few of his opinions seemed to be the opposite of his classmates'.
"Possibly Slytherin believed he had already obtained power and therefore he was motivated out of fear of losing it." Ethan answered, nodding at the logic and switching it on the board.

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LouAnn took a deep breath and blew it out in a quiet huff, causing a few pieces of her bangs to blow straight up in the process. History of Magic was turning out to be far more difficult than LouAnn imagined. It would help if she paid closer attention, though. "Right, sir. Power and fear. Got it," she half-mumbled.

She supposed she should tackle the Gaunt Family question now, seeing as she had no clue who Merwyn the Whatever was. Slowly---inch by inch by inch by inch---she raised her hand into the air once again. "Alrighty, let's go with power for the Gaunt Family. They're heirs of Salazar Slytherin's, so the need for more and more power has probably been handed down to their family from generation to generation," she said. That answer was a little too broad, though, so maybe she should break it down person by person.

"Marvolo Gaunt...let's see---power and fear. I say power, because he once attacked people from the Ministry of Magic who tried to arrest Morfin. I think that shows he thought he family was more powerful than the average and could defeat the law," she said. "I say fear, because he was known to have had a snake nailed to the front door of his home, probably as a means to show his heritage---Salazar Slytherin, I mean---and to instill fear in anyone coming to his doorstep."

"Erm, his wife, Merope---power, definitely. She used a love potion to trick this muggle, Tom Riddle, into marrying her. I think that shows that she thought she could control others by using various means---love potion, in that instance," she continued. "I think she had a hint of goodness in her, though, because she loved a muggle, which is something her ancestors were against, and she allowed the love potion she'd given Tom Riddle to eventually wear off."

"Okay, so who do we have left here? Morfin Gaunt---ummm, power, but only because he's known for hexing a man. Tom Riddle, even. I think that shows that to some extent, he sought ways to defeat others," she suggested. "Maybe even fear, too, since he's a Parselmouth. Parselmouth's control snakes, and maybe he used that talent to make people afraid of him, too."
"Some more interesting and contrasting Logic." Ethan answered with a nod. Hmmm." He made a few adjustments to the board.

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Lord Voldemort (Tom Riddle) Power and Fear

Deatheaters:
Bellatrix Black/Lestrange and her husband Fear and Power
Peter Pettrigrew Fear and Power
Alecto and Amycus Carrow Fear and Power
Regulus Black Power and Fear
Fenrir Greyback Power and Fear
Antonin Dolohov Fear and Power
Crabbe/ his son Vincent Fear and Power
Goyle/ his son Gregory Fear and Power
Yaxley Fear and Power
Barty Crouch Jr Power and Fear
Bartemius Crouch Sr Power and Fear
Lucius Malfoy Fear and Power


Marvolo Gaunt Power and Fear
Merope Gaunt Fear and Power
Morfin Gaunt Power and Fear


Hereward Godelot and his father Power and Fear
Gellert Grindelwald Power and Fear

Lord Voldemortist (Thomas Duskirk) Power and Fear

Morgan le Fay Power and Fear
Herpo the Foul Power and Fear
Emeric The Evil Power and Fear
Durmstrang students and professors Power and Fear
Merwyn the Malicious Power and Fear
Salazar Slytherin Fear and Power
Loxias Power and Fear
"Strangely," Though Ethan's tone indicated he didn't think of it as strange in the slightest, "All the Dark Artists listed here seem to be motivated by power and fear, sometimes in a higher degree in one than the other and sometimes the evidence in history only provides us with support of one though circumstance indicates the other. Some of them mastered fear and in the mastering of it gained power, others aimed for power and were so desperate to get it at any cost, that their desperation became fear."

He nodded around the classroom, meeting the eyes of each student who contributed to the discussions and activities.

"There are many different ways to link power and fear, much of it is a matter of opinion, but I am hoping that you are all growing to learn that your opinion is something that I value.

I am aware that the lesson has not been the easiest one, so I am thankful that you all acted in a mature and respectful manner of one another. I am aware we only touched very lightly on the 'Elitism' aspect of the class, but it is enough to tie in to your next lesson."

Ethan tapped the board.

"Your homework comes in two parts and you get to choose which witch or wizard on this list you wish to focus on."

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HoM ADVANCED Homework 1

Part A /10
Choosing a witch or wizard from the list, write an essay about how they were motivated by power, fear or both. Minimum of three and maximum of five paragraphs.
For full credit, include supporting evidence from history, ensure your stance is clear, source your references and justify your argument.


Part B /5
Research an example of pureblood elitism in history, it may tie in to the subject of your essay if you wish, but does not have to. In either case it is to be presented as a seperate answer no longer than two paragraphs.

Due: Thursday 15th October Midnight GMT
"Any questions, feel free to stay behind. Thank you everyone."
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