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| | Term 21: January-April 2009 Term Twenty-one: The Ghosts (Sept 2067 - June 2068) | |
02-06-2009, 05:12 AM
| | |  Lesson One - Origins of Ancient Runes
Alessia arrived at her classroom door and put a hand on the doorframe to hold herself up as she unlocked it. She was dressed in her black robes with the hood up. She entered the room and closed the door behind her, leaning back on it to breathe. Every breath she took hurt. The post transformationg was getting better and better.
She wrote her name, on the blackboard with her wand and proceeded to sit on the front of the desk. There needed to be a better way to handle the post transformation... she hated looking as if she aged... Oh well.
She opened the door to the class again, and as the first few students trickled in she said "Hello Class! For those who have yet to meet me, my name is Alessia Lupa. You may call me, Professor Lupa. I am going to wait a little while longer for more students to join the class before I start the lesson. So please, keep your chatting to a minimum." | |
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Anna studied what the professor had produced on the blackboard. When she was sure she knew what it was, she raised her hand. "That was the inscription found on the Kylver Stone, Professor. It's the earliest known sequential listing of the twenty-four runes of the Elder Futhark," she said.
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"That is the sequential listing of the 24 runes of the Elder Futharkmir or the Elder Futhark with the a,s,and b runes mirrored compared to later use, and the z rune upside down. Those runes were found on the Kylver Stone. Quote:
The Kylver stone (G 88) is a Swedish runestone which dates from about 400 CE. It was found on a farm at Kylver, Stånga, Gotland in 1903. The stone was a flat rock used to seal a grave and the inscription was written on the underside, and could therefore not be read from above.
The stone is inscribed with the earliest known sequential listing of the 24 runes of the Elder Futhark,
[f] u þ a r k g [w] h n i j p ï z s t b e m l ŋ d o
with the a, s and b runes mirrored compared to later use, and the z rune upside down.
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Barry raised his hand. He had been daydreeming too long. He said " It was these letters that were found on the Kylver stone. The stone is inscribed with the earliest known sequential listing of the 24 runes of the Elder Futhark,
and those are what was on the stone. What you have just written is exactly whats on it just what those symbols transliterated are."
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Originally Posted by Hedwig18  Ana raised her hand "Is it the Kylver stone, professor?" Quote:
Originally Posted by Nymphadoraliz Raising her hand "Is it the Kylver stone?" Quote:
Originally Posted by Crayola Once more, Evangeline had no idea of what the correct answer was, so, raising her hand, she decided to say the only thing she had actually remembered about that. "That's the alphabet that was found written in the Kylver Stone, Ma'am." Ah well. Quote:
Originally Posted by Amira With a C Camira tilted her head a bit as she tried to search her memory. Finally she raised her hand. "I believe those are the corresponding letters of the alphebet that we use for the runes found on the Kylver stone." Okay, hopefully that was intelligible. It made sense in her head, at least. "I'm guessing it helps us with pronunciation and memorization of meanings and whatnot." Really, what else could it be used for. Quote:
Originally Posted by Anna Banana Anna studied what the professor had produced on the blackboard. When she was sure she knew what it was, she raised her hand. "That was the inscription found on the Kylver Stone, Professor. It's the earliest known sequential listing of the twenty-four runes of the Elder Futhark," she said. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Weasley "That is the sequential listing of the 24 runes of the Elder Futharkmir or the Elder Futhark with the a,s,and b runes mirrored compared to later use, and the z rune upside down. Those runes were found on the Kylver Stone. "Yes, but what is it." Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterloo Aww man. He'd got it wrong? And there he was actually thinking he was gonna get that one right. A small pout crept to Clifford's lips as he listened to Professor Lupa's explanation and he quickly scribbled more notes - more ink splattering onto his nose.
He watched as she wrote some stuff on on the blackboard, then raised his hand again. This time, he honestly had no idea. Time for some guess work. "Is it an awesome, super secret spy code, Ma'am?" Hey, it coulda been! She giggled at the prefect and pinched his cheek. Charming Boy.... Quote:
Originally Posted by Lislchen Huzzah! She'd gotten it right this time! With a small smirk on her lips Nancy raised her hand before answering with a snicker, "Futhark? No, I'm sorry, seriously, I think that's somekind of transliteration for the runes?" Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny Boy Barry raised his hand. He had been daydreeming too long. He said " It was these letters that were found on the Kylver stone. The stone is inscribed with the earliest known sequential listing of the 24 runes of the Elder Futhark, and those are what was on the stone. What you have just written is exactly whats on it just what those symbols transliterated are." "Close... very close. One point to each of you. It's a 'Transcription.' Of the Kylver stone, yes, but it is it's transcription. Why do we call it a transcription? and not translation?" Alessia asked the class.
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Juniper raised her hand. "It's called a transcription because it's just the phonetics being written down into another form. If it were a translation, the words would change languages," she said. | |
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"It's a transcription because you have copied the runes, word for word from the Kylver Stone. It would be a translation if the runes were translated into a language we could read and understand." | |
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Copernicus raised his hand. "Professor, is it because these letters represent phonetic sounds rather than a direct transliterate mapping of the runes?"
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Holy moly. The colour flushed so fast into his face when the Professor unexpectedly pinched a cheek, that for a moment Clifford came over rather dizzy and swayed in his seat. Goodness.
He struggled to understand her next question fully, due to his slightly confuzzled brain, but raised his hand anyway. Transcription? Translation? Eh? "Well, if it were a translation," he started unsurely, hand raised. "the letters would be in a different language wouldn't they? But they're not, so it's a transcription?"
He had no idea what he was going on about anymore.
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Wrinkling her nose when Professor Lupa pinched Clifford's cheeks, Evangeline raised her hand again. "Because, Professor, those letters are representing the phonetic sounds and not the meaning of the runes?" This was too confusing.
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Anna raised her hand to attempt an answer to the question. This just sealed the deal---she needed an Ancient Runes tutor. Copernicus, whose answer seemed correct, was pretty much over there speaking a foreign language as far as Anna was concerned. "Well, to transcribe means to represent by means of phonetic symbols. Could that be why?" she suggested, sinking down in her seat a bit and cringing at how awful her answer sounded.
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Lina sighed, eying the teacher. She raised her hand to answer. "The act of transcribing is the act of writing down things as they sound. The act of translating is to convert one language to another fully. The transcription of tsuki is t-s-u-k-i. The translation is 'moon.'"
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Tobi raised his hand, "To transcribe is to copy, or recopy on another surface or document, while to translate is to turn one language into another. Which isn't the case here."
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Ana raised her hand "It's transcription because it's used a similar form of writing, maybe equal to what happened with our DNA" she was really not sure about this one
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"Transcribing is to write down things as they sound while translating is to change the text completly so it means the same thing in the other language, but miss don`t mind me asking , but I said it was a trasliteration and transliterate means To represent letters or words in the corresponding characters of another alphabet. So whats the difference between the two words Transcribing and transliterating?" asked Barry, he better not loose points
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Twilight listend and continued to make notes.
AH this one she knew from practice. She raised her hand and said," Professor transcription is to copy something exactly from one source to another. Translation is putting your interpretation from one language to another, like German to English; or from one style of language to another style, like Olde-English to modern English.
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Professor, would it be considere a translation if it was written out in the words, Algiz,for the runes instead of the actual rune, ? | |
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Originally Posted by SeerCassandraTrelawney Why do we call it a transcription? and not translation?" Alessia asked the class. Cela thought for a moment before raising her hand, " Well a transcription is a copy and a translation is an interpretation or rendering of one language into another. What was transcribed on the Kylver stone is really just a bunch of symbols with no real key to what each of those symbols mean. If it was a translation, it would have shown the symbols along with their meanings or maybe an alternate alphabet or cipher along side it."
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Originally Posted by Waddles Juniper raised her hand. "It's called a transcription because it's just the phonetics being written down into another form. If it were a translation, the words would change languages," she said. Quote:
Originally Posted by Cassirin Copernicus raised his hand. "Professor, is it because these letters represent phonetic sounds rather than a direct transliterate mapping of the runes?" Quote:
Originally Posted by Crayola Wrinkling her nose when Professor Lupa pinched Clifford's cheeks, Evangeline raised her hand again. "Because, Professor, those letters are representing the phonetic sounds and not the meaning of the runes?" This was too confusing. Quote:
Originally Posted by Anna Banana Anna raised her hand to attempt an answer to the question. This just sealed the deal---she needed an Ancient Runes tutor. Copernicus, whose answer seemed correct, was pretty much over there speaking a foreign language as far as Anna was concerned. "Well, to transcribe means to represent by means of phonetic symbols. Could that be why?" she suggested, sinking down in her seat a bit and cringing at how awful her answer sounded. Quote:
Originally Posted by Zellanna Lina sighed, eying the teacher. She raised her hand to answer. "The act of transcribing is the act of writing down things as they sound. The act of translating is to convert one language to another fully. The transcription of tsuki is t-s-u-k-i. The translation is 'moon.'" Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny Boy "Transcribing is to write down things as they sound while translating is to change the text completly so it means the same thing in the other language, but miss don`t mind me asking , but I said it was a trasliteration and transliterate means To represent letters or words in the corresponding characters of another alphabet. So whats the difference between the two words Transcribing and transliterating?" asked Barry, he better not loose points "Very good, two points each." She said smiling. "And Mr. Weasley, Mr. Kettleburn answered your question." She smiled and winked at Lotionboy. "See, Runes are phonetic, so that you write things the way they sound, not the way in which they are spelled. Because runes do not follow English spelling, the act of changing written English words into written runic words is called 'transcribing' and the process is known as 'transcription,' a latin-based word that literally means 'cross-writing.' Does anyone know what the art of runic interpretation is called?" She asked.
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Tobi raised a hand, uncertain, "Is it casting Runes, ma'am?"
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"Professor, I think the art of runic interpretation is called runemal." Clifford tried, hand raised high in the air.
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Juniper thought about the question. Runic interpretation... she had read about that. Somewhere. Hmm. Raising her hand, Juniper said, "I think it's called runemal, Professor." | |
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Tanjiro raised his hand, "Professor, is it called the runemal?"
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Ana raised her hand "It's Runemal" she said
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Evangeline raised her hand yet again. "I think it's ...." She started, flicking through the pages of the textbook. She had read that somewhere! Ah! There is was! "..runemal, Ma'am."
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"Professor," Copernicus wiggled his fingers instead of raising his hand fully. "I believe the art of runic interpretation is called runemal, although some refer to it as divination."
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