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Old 02-06-2009, 05:12 AM
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Alessia arrived at her classroom door and put a hand on the doorframe to hold herself up as she unlocked it. She was dressed in her black robes with the hood up. She entered the room and closed the door behind her, leaning back on it to breathe. Every breath she took hurt. The post transformationg was getting better and better.

She wrote her name, on the blackboard with her wand and proceeded to sit on the front of the desk. There needed to be a better way to handle the post transformation... she hated looking as if she aged... Oh well.

She opened the door to the class again, and as the first few students trickled in she said "Hello Class! For those who have yet to meet me, my name is Alessia Lupa. You may call me, Professor Lupa. I am going to wait a little while longer for more students to join the class before I start the lesson. So please, keep your chatting to a minimum."
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Abby writes her notes down. "Professor, were Ancient Runes directly influenced by the Sumerian writing system?" Abby wonders how a system of writing that orginated in Northern Europe could have its roots in a writing system that was started in the ancient Middle East.
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Clifford blinked when the Professor awarded him two points for his answer. What he thought was a stoopid answer. RESUUULT! Teehee.

Sitting comfortably, he listened carefully as she began explaining all about where runes came from and stuff. The pictures she showed them were pretty cool - shame he didn't understand some of those long words.

"Uhm, Professor?" Clifford slowly raised his arm when the teacher asked if they had any questions. "I was wondering if erm - you could explain that last part again?" A light flush coloured his cheeks and he shuffled in his seat. "With less of the long words?" Ack. He wished he hadn't asked now.
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Miranda raised her hand "Professor? I have a question. What ARE", she looked down at the notes she was scribbling, "...logophonetic, consonantal alphabetic, and syllabic systems?"

She giggled at the prefect. "symbolic means it's a written language using symbols, and logophonetic means both signs for words and sounds. Consonantal alphabets are also known as abjads. In a "pure" consonantal alphabet, vowels are not written."

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Are the rune a symbolic or logophonic system?
"They are... and they aren't, the Futhark alphabet is now considered, C&V Alphabetic." She said winking.

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Oh this was much harder than last year.Sarah barely understood any of it...then she thought of a really stupid question... Raising her hand she asked, "Umm Professor why did they change from something that was simple in 3200BCE to something that..well...isn't in 1000BCE? I mean the first lot look like what they mean...slightly." She was feeling stupid already.
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Tobi raised his hand, he couldn't tell much about the symbols, but he could tell there was but one difference between the runes in the first column and the second one. "Ma'am? Why did they change all the symbols between 3200 BCE and 3000 BCE to merely be lying on their sides? I mean if you're going to change them, what's the point of that particular change? why wouldn't they just leave them?"
"Because, wiith the years we, the wizard and human race I mean, became smarter and more sophisticated, so our ability to understand became more so." Alessia answered.

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Varius sat reasonably in the middle of the class. He had been told how lovely and sweet and kind this Professor had been, but by Merlin did she talk a lot of Merlin poop - or so it seemed to Varius. He was almost considering not starting this runic alphabet of his if this was how complicated Runes was going to be. Deciding that asking questions would only further confuse him, he shook his head profusely, squinting his eyes as if this would help him concentrate and understand a lot better. He flipped through the textbook pages, to see if it could help him any with answering the questions.
Alessia smiled at the boy who was squinting and shaking his head. Bless him. She went over, closed his textbook and said, "Don't worry, darling," she whispered, patting his hand. "It'll get easier soon..." He should pay attention to her... not the book... this would help.

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Abby writes her notes down. "Professor, were Ancient Runes directly influenced by the Sumerian writing system?" Abby wonders how a system of writing that orginated in Northern Europe could have its roots in a writing system that was started in the ancient Middle East.
"No, honey, not directly. But it all had to start somewhere and that's where writing systems started." she aswered sweetly.

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Head bent, Melly wrote down furiously as much as she could of what the professor said. Unfortunately, due to the fact that she liked to keep her handwriting neat, she wasn't able to catch half of the things that the professor had spoken. Blinking as she re-read her notes, she rose her head and stared at the lady for a few moments.

After eyeing the notes again, she opened her mouth and half raised her hand to ask a question, before noticing that someone else was voicing her thoughts. Err... Right. She looked down again and... ah! New question!

"Erm, professor, excuse me, but...," She bit her lip. "Which are the -," She looked down, "cunei-f-form -," She blinked at the word. It sounded so weird, "systems?"
"Good Question! I already mentioned logophonetic, consonantal alphabetic, syllabic systems and C&V Alphabetic. Class, Give me the names of others... and some of the languages and writing systems that fall under them." She asked... She didn't mean to spend this much time on writing systems, but it was good knowledge.
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Dominic sat there listening to what the others had to say, unsure really on any judgment about Alessia Lupa yet, but then he heard her asking about other types of system. Confused about her question, he nonetheless raised his hand, knowing his house could use the points if nothing else, "The Cuneiform system used phonograms and logograms, and other symbols that represent a syllable or sound..." he paused hesitantly before going on. "Some of the earliest writings from Uruk contain logographic symbols that represented numbers, objects, and names. Cuneiform writing also included determinatives, which were symbols used to indicate which to class of words a word belonged to, such as plurals, men rivers, gods, and wooden objects"
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Sarah listened to the Professor's answer to her question.Fair enough,people evolve and learn.
Having said that Sarah's ability to learn this sort of Ancient Runes,well,it didn't exist.Stuck..in deep doo doo..no comprende..however you wanted to say it that was the situation Sarah found herself in.
Not wanting to appear any more stupid than she thought she already did,she just scribbled down all that Lupa had mentioned and waited for the next part of the lesson to begin.
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,Mixtec,Naxi and Nushu come from it and thats all I know" well that was a try at least, at least he knew something
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Uhhh. This was confusing. Juniper cautiously raised her hand. "Would... would ancient Greek and, say, ancient Egyptian be sort of like cuneiform systems?" she said. It was a long shot, but... if she didn't guess then she would always wonder. And there was no harm in guessing, after all. At least, Juniper did not think there was.
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The flush stil colouring Clifford's cheeks deepened when the Professor giggled at him. That's right.. GIGGLED! Baaah, he was so dumb.. and now she thought he was dumb too. GRR.

He really didn't have the foggiest what her next question meant, but raised his hand anyway, wanting to give it a shot and show that he wasn't entirely stoopid.

"What about logographic?" He tried, struggling to remember the stuff Evangeline had helped him to read just before the lesson. "That system of writing uses bazillions of different signs and symbols." He explained, clearing his dry throat nervously. "A sign can mean a word.. or just part of a word.. so there are loads of 'em that aren't used every day."
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Herminny raised her haned and said, "Chinese writing can fall under the C and V alphabetic system because they use symbols to represent letters"

Herminny then said,
"also the Egypians used heirogliphics which I believe is an example of logoform writing because they used pictures to represent letters"

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Abby raises her hand. "Phoenician alphabet is a direct descendant of the Proto-Snaitic script. It differs in that Phoenician is more graphical than pictorograph. It is similar to Runes in that respect."

"Egyptian Hieroglyphics are characters made by graphical figures. They can be animals or objects."
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Dominic sat there listening to what the others had to say, unsure really on any judgment about Alessia Lupa yet, but then he heard her asking about other types of system. Confused about her question, he nonetheless raised his hand, knowing his house could use the points if nothing else, "The Cuneiform system used phonograms and logograms, and other symbols that represent a syllable or sound..." he paused hesitantly before going on. "Some of the earliest writings from Uruk contain logographic symbols that represented numbers, objects, and names. Cuneiform writing also included determinatives, which were symbols used to indicate which to class of words a word belonged to, such as plurals, men rivers, gods, and wooden objects"
"Not what I was asking for, Mr... Denton..." This was the Hufflepuff prefect! "Mr. Denton! Professor Kazimeriz told me to expect your visit... I've not seen you yet." She said smiling. "I hope you aren't... afraid of me."

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Uhhh. This was confusing. Juniper cautiously raised her hand. "Would... would ancient Greek and, say, ancient Egyptian be sort of like cuneiform systems?" she said. It was a long shot, but... if she didn't guess then she would always wonder. And there was no harm in guessing, after all. At least, Juniper did not think there was.
"Yes, Egyptyan is Logophonetic and Greek is C&V Alphabetic. So yes they are like cuneiform systems." Two points.

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Barry said "Uh maybe the uh Logographic system? The Chinese, Jurchen, Khitan, Mixtec, Naxi and Nushu come from it and thats all I know" well that was a try at least, at least he knew something
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"Not exactly, Darling. Chinese falls under Logographic, though Korean is C&V Alphabetic." She patted the girl's hand.

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Abby raises her hand. "Phoenician alphabet is a direct descendant of the Proto-Snaitic script. It differs in that Phoenician is more graphical than pictorograph. It is similar to Runes in that respect."

"Egyptian Hieroglyphics are characters made by graphical figures. They can be animals or objects."
"Not exactly what I was asking, Sweety..." She smiled.

"Let's move on." She tucked a lock of hair behind her ear under her hood and continued, "To be fair, that wasn't an easy question. In fact it was somewhat of a trick... As Miss Brandywine said and was awarded points for, No-one knows exactly how old the runes are, or when they were invented."

She turned to the female Slytherin Prefect and said "As Miss Green said, Rune-like symbols have appeared as cave markings as early as the late Bronze Age (circa 1300 BC), two points, and they are mentioned in the Muggle religious book 'the Bible.' " She summonned another cup of coffee and sugared it as she continued talking.

"So let's step into a muggle fictional time machine and get hurled 500 years after this, bringing us to about, oh, 800 BC. Which nation can we see emerge?"
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Herminny raised her hand and said "Ancient Greece", hoping she would finally get one right.

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Abby gets out the machine and looks around. "We should be in Northern Italy. Euturia to be exact. Ancient Runes were also present in Sweden and among the Germanic people."
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Evangeline sat there, taking notes of everything the Professor was saying. She liked Professor Lupa already, she was nice. And eager to teach, it seemed. It was weird to realise that only six years after she had started her Hogwarts education she was learning the origins of the Runes, but ah well.

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