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03-06-2009, 09:16 PM
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Ethan had left the windows open in the classroom and the brisk January air had succeded in freshening up and freezing up the room. Truebridge closed the windows and sat at his desk, wrapped in warm layers to ward off the icy temperature in the classroom.
Hmm, the desks were straight again. He flicked Loretta and the desks all moved a fraction of an inch in various directions. Satisfied by this, Ethan flicked his wand at the board, revealing the topic of todays class. Quote: The Tales of Beedle The Bard He yawned and kicked his feet up on the desk, apparently snoozing behind his customary dark glasses. |
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Originally Posted by SilverTiger Elizabeth turned as Plymouth had his say about the Elder Wand from his corner, having to struggle not to completely break into uncontrollable laughter at his description. "It was a golden eagle," she said, raising her hand simply so she didn't get into trouble. "And how was i to know Plymouth was afraid of birds? And the Elder Wand wouldn't have helped him very much with how he was running around flailing, begging me to stop the bird. And obviously the wand can be beaten, since otherwise it wouldn't have changed hands so many times." "Plymouth is afraid of clabberts too." Cela told Elizabeth helpfully, "But we are working on that and he looks cute when he's flailing so its okay really."
Cela shifted in her seat and attempted to add to the discussion, "The deathstick had a thestral tail-hair core and was made of elder wood. I think that is kind of interesting because as well as being extremely powerful, Thestrals have a highly-developed sense of direction and sense of smell; they are attracted to fresh blood. Also, you can only see a Thestral if you have seen and accepted death so they are --like the elder wand-- kind of elusive." She paused to nibble on her sugar quill.
"I think the core also relates to how the elder wand was attracted to and attuned to power. The refined senses of the thestral, as well as the associations that particular flying horse has with death, really underscore the nature of the elder wand and how it passed from wizard to wizard; always moving, always growing, its nature always changing; and yet remaining the same at its core." Celandine mused, adding to her notes as she spoke.
"It's also kinda noteworthy that a Thestral tail-hair core is extremely rare. Also, the wand wood is important. In Celtic lore elder is symbolised by 'The Black Horse' and the tree itself is the tree of life, death and rebirth; kind of like how the deathstick's cycle of ownership works." Celandine explained before looking up.
"You know its supposed to be bad luck to harm an elder tree? But it gives us soooo much too, if you know how to harness its power. You can use it for a whole bunch of therapeutic purposes, but its also extremely poisionous. So... um, I guess what I'm saying here is that the elder wand's inherant nature is reflected by its appearance and use throughout wizarding history, and maybe understanding the nature of such a thing before using it is the lesson that we can learn." Cela finished her musings and went back to nibbling on her sugar quill and corkscrewing her hair about her gloved finger.
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Originally Posted by DanialRadFAN01 "The Elder wand was said to be the unbeatable wand. It had many names including the Death Stick. It has been owned by many people and was last none to be Dumbledore's wand." Chris said with his hand raised. Quote:
Originally Posted by Grangerfn1 Becca raised her hand once again, still keeping an eye on the two brothers. "It is an extremely powerful wand made of elder wood. The core is made of Thestral tail hair, and it is said to be the most powerful wand in existence since, when used by its real master, it cannot be defeated in a duel. It really only responds to power. And if the real master died naturally without ever being defeated, the wand's power will have died, too. It's really intense." "Pretty darn intense." Truebridge agreed, nodding first at Chris and then at Becca. Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoerawrr Jake raised his hand again. Bwahaha, an Elder Wand. Oh the damage he could do with that. "Sir, the Elder wand is, like, omnipotent," he said, using one of his favourite words. "It deals killer blows and the guy in the story got killed for it. Because he bragged about it, he got murdered for it, and then that was kinda like a curse for it I think. If you own that wand, I don't think you could lose a duel... Also, that is behind the whole Wand of Elder, Never Prosper thing that people have with their wand superstition, because loads of people were killed for it." Whew. "Thank you for mentioning that superstition. Wand lore is actually fairly interesting." Ethan noted, "Some of the wand related superstitions are a little bit of a stretch, but they generally prove to be correct." Quote:
Originally Posted by Oesed Wrinkling her nose a little, the girl raised her hand, "The Elder Wand is also known as the Wand of Destiny," she said, nodding a little as she answered, "It is supposedly the most powerful wand that's ever been created and that the person that owns it cannot be defeated on a duel if using it. That's of course if the person is the wand's rightful owner, of course. Also, just like the rest of the wands, the Elder Wand can't cause any real harm to it's true master."[/COLOR] Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiegirl Kayla raised her hand again, "The elder wand also known as the Wand of Destiny or the Deathstick. Was created by death for the first brother from the branch of an elder tree. It is said to be unbeatable and indestructible. But I have to disagree that is was unbeatable, we know for a fact that Albus Dumbledore beat Grindewald in 1945 and he possessed the wand at that time. The wand passed through many hands and left a bloody trail of murder behind it." She took a breath trying to remember what else she knew about the wand. "It was a very enticing piece of weaponry to have but of course those that possessed it could not help but to boast about it leaving themselves wide open for attack." "Willow and Kayla, thank you." Both of them had been pretty on to it in class so far. Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterloo The Elder Wand? Hmmm. Clifford scratched his chin in thought before raising his hand. "The Elder Wand thingymabob is just as cool as the invisibility cloak, Mister Professor Sir." The Prefect nodded eagerly. "I think it's meant to be the MOOOOOST powerful wand in the whole, wide world. So that's powerful. It's supposed to be unbeatable! I want one!" "I'd rather have my old wand." Truebridge whispered this so that Loretta wouldn't hear. Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojogali Joanne raised her hand to answer " well Professor, the Elder wand, in the Tale is said to be an unbeatable wand, a wand that gives it's owner the power to perform any kind of magic! A very powerful wand indeed...but since the brother doesn't use it wisely he gets killed because of it" she looked up as she was thinking " in real life there are rumors, legends about this wand, my grandpa told me a few, it brings disgrace to it's owner he said to me, because such a powerful object attracts all that is evil too. With great power comes with great responsibility he told me... so, unless the owner of the wand keeps it down, other wise that person will be the target of a great jealousy and eventually will get into trouble. And if I'm not wrong, I read that the wand's whereabouts are unknown for almost a century now, the last time people heard about it was on You-Know-Who's time, he was said to be chasing it and, people say that he found it, that it was Mr.Dumbledore's wand.. but after that.. BUUMM, gone! We could trace histories and legends from where it had passed for centuries but after that one rumor, it disappeared into thin air." Joanne said with wonder. It was a very mysterious story.
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Originally Posted by Danny Boy But first the question of cource "The Elder one is most likely to exist out of the three artifacts and has been refered to as the death stick or the wand of destiny. It has been said in history that many wizards fought to gain possesion of the wand, the wand has even been in the possesion of Dumbledoor, or so they say" answered Barry. Such a boring lesson, what happened to pairing up? "So they say." Ethan watched the boy move back to his seat and conjured a stack of dunces hat, placing them on his desk and glancing around the class. Quote:
Originally Posted by Hedwig18 "The Elder was the Death's gift to Antioch Peverell. It's known throughout history as the "Deathstick" and the "Wand of Destiny and is supposedly the most powerful wand. The wand will only fully work for the new owner if they directly disarm, stun or kill the previous owner. This wand belonged to many people throughout history like Albus Dumbledore and Harry Potter, who hid it letting the wand to naturally loose its power by the natural death of the owner ending its bloody trail of violence " she said raising her hand Quote:
Originally Posted by Anna Banana Wow. The interaction amongst students in this class was getting more and more amusing by the second. Poor Beedle Bard had taken a back sat to Hogwart's own "Days of our Lives," yet the lesson continued despite the chaos. Smiling at the very thought, Anna raised her hand and said, "In the story 'The Tale of the Three Brothers', the first brother, Antioch, asked Death for a wand that would always result in him winning a duel. Death used the limb from an Elder tree and a thestral hair to create what became known as the Elder Wand," Anna explained.
"The wand lived up to its powers, as if helped Antioch win a battle against a fellow wizard he'd been squabbling with. Antioch only succeeded in getting himself and the wizard killed in the end, though. If only these people would learn that selfishness gets you absolutely nowhere," Anna fussed. "Anyway, this Elder Wand was also famous in the defeat of the evil Voldemort. Voldemort knew of the wand's success, and upon finding it, he attempted to defeat Harry Potter once and for all. Of course he didn't, though. The Elder Wand, as well as for the Resurrection Stone and the Invisibility Cloak for that matter, were all key elements in that particular war," she finished. "Oh, and I also think it's important to add that this wand causes witches and wizards to focus so much on the power they hope to gain, that they end up losing sight of reality in the longrun. That's usually when Death strikes." "Thank you girls." Truebridge nodded, giving the dunce hats a nudge with his finger so that the 'D' on the top one was visible to the class. Quote:
Originally Posted by druidflower Tobi raised his hand, propping it up on his arm because it was getting tired, but such was the plight of the insufferable-know-it-alls. “Sir,” he said, “The Elder wand has many names, including the Eldrun Wand, and the Wand of Destiny, even the Deathstick. Of all the three Gifts from Death, it was believed to exist from the earliest point, and it was the most sought after, which perhaps says something about human nature. When one says that the wand chooses the wizard, we could also say that the Elder Wand has a particularly fickle allegiance, or possibly that the finger of fate is fickle, as he who comes to win the Elder Wand doesn’t tend to enjoy a long life with it there after. As the way to win a wand from another is to win a duel against them, though killing the opponent isn’t necessary. All the same most people who came into possession of the wand became targets and soon were killed. The exceptions to this rule, according to History are Albus Dumbledore, and Harry Potter. Both lived a long time having possessed the Wand; Dumbledore, likely because he didn’t advertise his ownership of the wand, and Potter, because soon after he came into the wand, he dispensed with it.” "Insightful as usual, Tobi." Ethan noted. Quote:
Originally Posted by Herminny Herminny raised her hand yet again, and said, "THe elder wand is quite an intesting one, it is unbeatable, that is to say the elder wand is unbeatable, not the person who possesses it, it was given to the oldest brother by death cause he wanted power, well so do many other people and this led to his early death cause people who were defeated by him also wanted power and one of them went so far as to cut the oldest Perevell brother's throat to obtain the wand and the elder wand and the powers of the elder wand were passed to him cause like any othe wand, this wand also chooses the wizard but it choses by the last person to have the upper hand either taking the persons life or just some how getting the wand. This pattern of ownage of elder wand and death by seeker of power and new ownage went on for years until Grindlewald got a hold of it and died in battle against Dumbledore who then owned the elder wand but never used it up to the day of his death when Snape killed him on top of the Astronomy Tower which Dumbledore asked him to even though Draco Malfoy was supposed to but chickened out but the elder wand chose Draco cause because it sensed Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him and even though Draco chickened out Dumbledore did not want Draco to kill him and just having the courage to try gave Draco brwnie points in the elder wands book. Fast foward to when Harry Potter is 17 and trying to escape from Malfoy Manor, he uses the expeliarmus curse to obtain Draco's wand cause his had been broken and Draco being the one the elder wand had chosen and Harry had defeated him gave the the power of the elder wand to Harry. Fast foward again Snapes final confrentation with Voldemort cause he thought Snape had the power of the elder wand cause he killed Dumbledore but that was not the case and at that time Harry had the power of the elder wand and Voldemort ended up killing Snape to gain the power of the elder wand cause he attained it from Dumbledore's grave but could not use it and still could not use it after killing Snape and this ultimately lea to his demise when he tried to use it to kill Harry Potter who had the power of the older wand and it would not kill it's master so instead the spell backfired killing Voldemort once and for all. And after that battle Harry used the Elder wand to reseal together his wand and then returned the elder wand to Dummbledores so he would not be tempted to use it and he hoped to just die of naturally causes in old age and the power of the elder wand would be broken, were still waiting to see if that will be the case but I am confident it will be." Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiegirl Upon hearing the Gryffindor's retelling of events, Kayla raised her hand. "Professor if I may I would like to address this young girl's version of events." She turned to face the younger girl, "Actually the Elder wand can be beaten. Wands that have been passed from one witch or wizard to another have indeed absorbed the expertise of those who had used them previously. It then claims allegiance with its new owner and accumulates more wisdom, strength and power. So if the the owner of the elder wand is beaten then so is the wand itself. I would also like to add that Grindewald did not die in his battle against Dumbeldore, he was in fact sent to the prison that he had built." She took a breath before continuing, "Also the Elder wand did not choose Draco because it sensed that Dumbledore wanted Snape to kill him. Draco disarmed Albus Dumbledore on top of that tower and so its allegiance then went with Draco Malfoy, although he didn't know it at the time. Aaaand Harry, did not use the disarming spell on Draco, he simply snatched the wands out of his hands. But you got the last part right, hope that clears things up for ya" she added with a smile. Quote:
Originally Posted by Herminny Herminny responded to the girl criticizing her,"Okay I was a little bit off but keep in mind that I am only 11, thank you for enlightening me." Ethan just blinked, wondering if the 'only 11' year old inhaled a textbook. Woulda been painful. Indigestion causing. Poor kid. He shot her a sympathetic look. 11 year olds shouldn't have to deal with the swallowing and subsequent regurgitation of textbooks. He idly wondered if it was a Krazimeriz punishment. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Eye Touz It was, for Plymouth anyway, really hard to talk to the wall. So, after Plymouth raised his hand - he had to turn around to say his piece. From the corner.
"If I had had the elder wand, Professor, when I was doing my Defense Against The Violent Teenagers of Hogwarts Homework, Elizabeth wouldn't have been able to set a big, eyeball-eating bird after me. If I had had that KILLER wand, I'd have won. Because it's a dueling death stick. Crazy-making death stick. If I didn't know any better, I'd bet Kaziancientiz has had his hands on it." Probably around when it was made. KaziMURDERiz was probably.... yeah... he was probably DEATH in this story.
Pleased with himself, Plymouth turned back around to stare into his own corner. It was a pretty nice corner.. and if he leaned back far enough, he could see out the window.... "If he had the elder wand, I wouldn't be here to teach this class today." Zan told the boy seriously, idly wondering how often Plymouth had heard the cats soundtrack during this class. Quote:
Originally Posted by Celandine Cela divided her attention between the two corners of the room and after hearing a bunch of answers, raised her gloved hand half-heartedly to add her own, "Professor, witches, don't fight over the elder wand, historically only wizards have done so." "Right. Common sense is something you female types often have more of." Ethan nodded, quite happy with his allotment of common sense. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mad Eye Touz
Plymouth raised his hand again. But he talked to the wall instead of to Copernicus because Perni wasn't talk-to-worthy yet. "This is why you got to surround yourself with pretty, smart, good-smelling, candy-eating girls. Like the Fountain Story. Girls keep you right, man. Professor, I mean. " Too bad Copernicus hadn't read that one prior to him trying to steal Plymouth's little circle of girls. "Apparently there is some fault to your logic." Ethan noted, considering the boy was currently standing in a corner wearing a dunce hat because of a girl. Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixFlame Ludo raised his hand for his knowledge of the Elder Wand. "Professor? The Elder Wand has been around for centuries. Wizards, both good and bad, have been noted on holding the wand. Curiously, there have been no mentionings of witches ever controlling the wand.
Anyway, it is said to be 'unbeatable' and that it would only change hands to another wizard upon the death of its original beholder. ...That seems to contradict the whole 'ubeatable' issue then, huh?" he stopped, unsure of any follow-up. "Right, as others have mentioned, the wand is unbeatable, the wizard is not." Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Weasley Abby sits in her desk wondering where this discussion has gotten to again. She raises her hand. "The first brother asked for a wand that would make him invincible in a fight. He was an arrogant man who thought he could cheat death by staking the deck in his favor. In the end death got his due because the man boasted about the invinciblity of his wand. It did not save his life but hastened his death. The wand in the story was death's means of getting what was due him. The wand may have been invincible, but because it was, it made the wand the envy of other wizards. One of them chose to kill the first brother in a cowardly way and steal his invincible wand." "Thank you Abby." Quote:
Originally Posted by LisaPotter1125 Iliana watched over the class... well mostly it was the Love-Triangle-Trio she was watching but still... she watched over the class with penetrating eyes and a straight back. Unmoving, but for her long tail, lashing back and forth through the air in anticipation of more drama. Ethan stroked the kitty absently. Quote:
Originally Posted by TwilightHodges Twilight finally had caught up enough, she raised her hand, "Sir, the Elder wand is so old that no one knows how old it is it is known to have been the wansd that Professor Albus Dumbledore had used and was buried with him, sir" Quote:
Originally Posted by suzy18 Maddox raised his hand, "Well we all know the origins of the wand, and we cannot say that it wasn't real or that its just a legend or a story because of Harry Potter. The three brothers were real people, and Harry Potter was a decendant of them, that is why he got the cloak of invisibility. But I digress. To continue Kayla's point, the only way to fully gain complete control over the elder wand is to directly disarm, stun or kill the previous owner." He addressed Tobi's point as well saying, "Also, I believe that the reason that it disappeared after the defeat of Voldemort was because they reburied it with Dumbledore's remains." Tha Hallow's interested Maddox very much. He hoped he had some good points.
"Thank you both." Ethan nodded to their replies. Quote:
Originally Posted by cedricdiggory Cedric thinks about Professor Truebridge question then he raised his hand,"The Elder Wand ummm,was one of the deathly hollows and originally own by Antioch Peverell,this wand was the most powerful and some says that this one was unbeatable,this wand was pass to Albus Dumbledore,when Albus died, the wand was accidentally posses by Draco Malfoy but it's last owner was Harry Potter"Cedric said gently "Right." Ethan replied, equally as gently. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ameh Raiden raised his hand. "The Elder wand has lots of nicknames, like Wand of Destiny... and Deathstick... Which already makes it something I'd rather not play around with. Why would you want a wand called 'Deathstick'? It sounds like it can only hurt people..." He thought for a moment. "There's that poem... that has the line 'wand of elder, never prosper'. So I don't understand why they would make the wand of elder wood, because it would only make you fail eventually, right? Probably why all the former owners got themselves killed, because elder 'never prospers'...But lots of people have said that they have it, and there's only a few cases of wands made of elder that were really powerful..." "Wand of elder never prosper... do you think that little piece of wand lore pre-dates the elder wand, or did it come about as a result of the elder wand? Truebridge posed the question to the class. Quote:
Originally Posted by Celandine "Plymouth is afraid of clabberts too." Cela told Elizabeth helpfully, "But we are working on that and he looks cute when he's flailing so its okay really."
Cela shifted in her seat and attempted to add to the discussion, "The deathstick had a thestral tail-hair core and was made of elder wood. I think that is kind of interesting because as well as being extremely powerful, Thestrals have a highly-developed sense of direction and sense of smell; they are attracted to fresh blood. Also, you can only see a Thestral if you have seen and accepted death so they are --like the elder wand-- kind of elusive." She paused to nibble on her sugar quill.
"I think the core also relates to how the elder wand was attracted to and attuned to power. The refined senses of the thestral, as well as the associations that particular flying horse has with death, really underscore the nature of the elder wand and how it passed from wizard to wizard; always moving, always growing, its nature always changing; and yet remaining the same at its core." Celandine mused, adding to her notes as she spoke.
"It's also kinda noteworthy that a Thestral tail-hair core is extremely rare. Also, the wand wood is important. In Celtic lore elder is symbolised by 'The Black Horse' and the tree itself is the tree of life, death and rebirth; kind of like how the deathstick's cycle of ownership works." Celandine explained before looking up.
"You know its supposed to be bad luck to harm an elder tree? But it gives us soooo much too, if you know how to harness its power. You can use it for a whole bunch of therapeutic purposes, but its also extremely poisionous. So... um, I guess what I'm saying here is that the elder wand's inherant nature is reflected by its appearance and use throughout wizarding history, and maybe understanding the nature of such a thing before using it is the lesson that we can learn." Cela finished her musings and went back to nibbling on her sugar quill and corkscrewing her hair about her gloved finger. Well, it was interesting to note that this particular 'claw suddenly managed to give an amazing answer as soon as the two boys causing all the drama were dunced and moved from her vicinity. "Cela got her groove back." Ethan informed the class blandly before clearing his throat.
"I suggest you all take note of what Celandine here has to say in relation to the elder wand. It might come in handy next term, too." Truebridge told them.
"So, The Wizard and the Hopping Pot, The Fountain of Fair Fortune, The Warlock's Hairy Heart, Babbitty Rabbitty and her Cackling Stump and The Tale of the Three Brothers; these make up the tales of Beedle the Bard. There may have been other stories which did not survive, but these five are brimming with lessons that I hope you all take to heart." Ethan paused and looked around the class, "In saying that, stories such as these can be looked upon as a social commentary of the times and certainly as examples of propaganda. And that goes for the originals as well as the rewrites.
If we do look at his stories as social commentary, what in the text might actually be inspired by events in Beedle's lifetime? Have a think about it and take your time, folks. No wrong answers here, but hit me with your theories. Examples. Go." ooc: a few more to go and we are done. Have mercy on my eyes! No editing 'cept prefects can merge and junk. Do your best to be original with this one, I'm not gonna be giving you any points if you just repeat what has already been said considering this one is mostly opinion and logic.
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Chris raised his hand. "Maybe Beedle had a bad experience trying to get the love of a girl and thats why he Wrote the Warlock and the Hairy Heart. Not that he went to those extremes but just for the lesson."
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Kayla raised her hand, "To answer your question about the elder wand, I think that superstition came about after the wand became known and it was noted that every man who had possessed it seem to meet an early demise. Wand of Elder, never prosper. Well no-one ever did prosper from possessing it did they?"
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Herminny eyed the professor for she could see this teacher thought she was crazy, but she did not care, she just enjoyed reading History books, it was something she liked, unfortunately I had only read the book on the famous wizard Harry Potter once or twice.
Herminny then started to think about the question at hand and raised her hand, " Beedle must have been around during a time when witches and wizards were persecuted for their abilities, this is probably what gave Beedle the inspiration to to write Babbity Rabbity and the Cackling Stump and possibly even the Wzard and the Hopping pot cause there had to be a reason the son hated muggles and did not want to help them and to this day it is just wishful thinking if anyone thinks all muggles and magiacal people can live together in harmony, it's sad though, I wish that could happen".
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Cedric take a look with professor,he thought that this one was a very high-knowledge and intelligent one..a few seconds ago,Cedric raised his hand
,"ummm,maybe Beedle was traveling around other places and some places he reach have a wonderful,amazing but sometimes tragic happenings or stories like The Warlock's Hairy Heart and Beedle want to share this stories that's why he wrote The Tales Of Beedle The Bard?"
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| connoisseur of comfort ❅ Crayola's Wibby Mrs Alex Turner ❅ Netflix and meow Oooh. This one was a bit of a toughie, weren't it? Professor Truebridge really was getting their brains working this lesson, and Clifford's felt close to exploding. After giving his sore head an ickle rub,the Prefect raised his hand.
"Well, for Babbitty Rabbitty.. perhaps Mister Beedle Bard himself saw some crazy muggle dude waving around twigs and trying to do magic? So he thought he'd write a story about that and give the lady some totally awesome name because he's just cool like that?" Oh yeah, Babbitty Rabbitty was just such a FUNKY name! "And the Wizard and the Hopping Pot.. maybe Mister Beedle got the idea for THAT one because someone cursed his cauldron and it went bouncing around and he thought 'WOW! A hopping pot! That'd make one awesome story!'" Uhhh.. maybe not. "OR!" Clifford started again, waving his arm around eagerly. "MAYBE, Mister Beedle Bard was just a little off his rocker and he just DREAMT all this stuff up!" Oh yeah.
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| Double Agent Stamps! Most of the tales deal with the relationship between muggles and wizards. In Wizard and the Hopping Pot, the pot bugs the wizard until he uses his magic to help his muggle neighbors. The moral being that wizards should help those less fortunate than them in this case muggles. In Babbity Rabbity and the Cackling Stump, we find wizards being persecuted by their muggle counterparts. Here we find a reason why the muggles hate wizards. The king hunts down the wizards because they have magical powers, and he does not. He is envious of the wizards in his kingdom. The stories give us insight into the stuggle between wizards and muggles that forced wizards to go into hiding. The end result was the passage of the Act of Secrecy.
The persecution of wizard by muggles also gave rise to antimuggle feelings in wizards. They were forced to live in secrecy by the muggle. This hatred resulted in many wizards refusing to have anything to do with muggles, and these wizards turned their anger on any wizard who chose to befriend muggles. Here we have the beginnings of wizards thinking they are superior to muggles and muggle borns. Beedle the Bard saw the dangers of what was transpiring and tried to point out that the muggles and wizards were both wrong. |
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| JGL ♥ | Wifey + SexyCPR = RAWR. | Co-Inceptor♥ | CHLOCHLO! | Rollie = My Ship Social commentary? Miles had to look up what time Beedle was actually from, after that, he raised his hand for, possibly the last time. "Maybe Mr Beedle went to the extremes with his stories, to get the attention of little kids. But maybe, he's just used these to create morals and lessons to kids for when they are older. And, possibly not to divert their views by using propaganda, but to help them show the consequences if you, for example, in the 'The Wizard and the hopping pot', you become bitter and lonely if you don't care for other people. This was shown by the pot becoming ill because the the wizard's son closed his door on other wizards and witches who needed help." |
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| Mrs. Alex Turner *asterisks user* Secret Door Hmmm. That was a harder questions than the rest and Evangeline considered it for a few moments, forehead creased on concentration. "Well, Sir ... maybe Beedle tragically realised magic couldn't revive his pet as a child, something that led to the end of Babbitty Rabbitty and her Cackling Stump's tale.." The sixth year said. It sounded pretty possible to her. "And then, older, he realised that magic couldn't create richness, nor cure some illness nor broken hearts, which are - of course - the problems of Asha, Altheda and Amata ... which would also explain why he wrote about young warlock that was afraid of being in love. Maybe Beedle the Bard got his heart broken too." Awwww. |
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Wand of elder never prosper... do you think that little piece of wand lore pre-dates the elder wand, or did it come about as a result of the elder wand? Truebridge posed the question to the class.
Abby raises her hand. "I think that saying probably predates the Elder Wand in The Three Brothers. The Wand of Destiny was very loyal to the person who possessed it. Quote:
"The Elder Wand is simply the most dispassionate and ruthless of wands in that it will only take into consideration strength. So one would expect a certain amount of loyalty from one's wand. So even if you were disarmed while carrying it, even if you lost a fight while carrying it, it has developed an affinity with you that it will not give up easily. If, however, a wand is won, properly won in an adult duel, then a wand may switch allegiance... However, the Elder Wand knows no loyalty except to strength. So it's completely unsentimental. It will only go where the power is. So if you win, then you've won the wand. So you don't need to kill with it. But...almost inevitably, it attracts wizards who are prepared to kill and who will kill. And also it attracts wizards like Voldemort who confuse being prepared to murder with strength."
"I guess you could say that wizards who possessed The Elder Wand generally didn't live very long prosperous lives, but that was more because of their magical skills than the wand itself. I think the saying [I[Wands of the Elder Never Prosper[/I] had it origns more in wandlore. 'The wand choses its owner.' It is possible that in the past wands were passed from one generation to the next like Neville Longbottom's grandmother insisting he use his father's wand. Neville was neve very good at magic until his father's wand was broken. He then got a wand of his own and his magic improved. |
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03-10-2009, 06:31 PM
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Ana Baptista Third Year | Huffie Through and Through "I think the power of a wand cames from both the wand itself and from the wizard or witch. And that line is phearphs because everyone who owned the wand end up killed." she said raising her hand "the other question. In Wizard and the Hopping Pot or Babbitty Rabbitty maybe he saw this happening with some muggle. The 'Three brothers' if Beedle had more brothers it could be about their personalties." |
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03-10-2009, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by NicoT "I suggest you all take note of what Celandine here has to say in relation to the elder wand. It might come in handy next term, too." Truebridge told them.
"So, The Wizard and the Hopping Pot, The Fountain of Fair Fortune, The Warlock's Hairy Heart, Babbitty Rabbitty and her Cackling Stump and The Tale of the Three Brothers; these make up the tales of Beedle the Bard. There may have been other stories which did not survive, but these five are brimming with lessons that I hope you all take to heart." Ethan paused and looked around the class, "In saying that, stories such as these can be looked upon as a social commentary of the times and certainly as examples of propaganda. And that goes for the originals as well as the rewrites.
If we do look at his stories as social commentary, what in the text might actually be inspired by events in Beedle's lifetime? Have a think about it and take your time, folks. No wrong answers here, but hit me with your theories. Examples. Go." ooc: a few more to go and we are done. Have mercy on my eyes! No editing 'cept prefects can merge and junk. Do your best to be original with this one, I'm not gonna be giving you any points if you just repeat what has already been said considering this one is mostly opinion and logic.
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Originally Posted by aussiegirl Kayla raised her hand, "To answer your question about the elder wand, I think that superstition came about after the wand became known and it was noted that every man who had possessed it seem to meet an early demise. Wand of Elder, never prosper. Well no-one ever did prosper from possessing it did they?" "I think Kayla's right," Tobi added, with his hand raised, "Historically, It's not harming an Elder Tree, that is to say, using the wood from one that would bring a curse down on a person, legends associated with Elder Wood apart from the old adage, tend to go more of 'Burn it not, or cursed ye be' so it's more not valuing Elder Wood that curses people. Which is probably the problem people who possessed the Elder Wand and never prospered with it had anyway; they thought it was just some awesome dueling tool, and never saw that they could do real good with it. Thus it usually got them killed.
“As for your question relating to social commentary, Beedle the Bard was alive smack in the middle of the Burning Times. And rather than being vengeful about his kind being subjected to witch hunts persecution and torture, he comes up with stories that are ripe with messages of humility and forgiveness.
“In the Wizard and the Hopping Pot, he is careful to not paint Muggles as violent or cruel, but merely as people who need help from time to time, and the wizard is the one who is too quick to judge. This, I think is a cautionary tale of what he feels the future could be if the events of his time were to go unchanged, sadly he was very adept at predicting the future. Fortunately, the wizard sees the error of his ways, but we have not, and we don’t help Muggles with their troubles very much even though we can.
“In the Fountain of Fair Fortune, there is an underlying ironic message that Muggles don’t fear magic if it benefits them, but there is also a very uplifting message concerning value of people before we concern ourselves with the value of their magical abilities or the magical properties of an item they have possessed. This makes me think That Beedle the Bard hid himself as a Muggle among Muggles for a long time and grew to learn these lessons first hand.
“In the Warlock’s Hairy Heart, Beedle wrote of a capable wizard who essentially could not love. In the end it killed him and the woman he tried to love. It’s the antithesis of the Fountain of Fair Fortune. Again, I think that in his life, Beedle the Bard would have witnessed or experienced that all the magic in the world did not buy a person love or happiness. There are some things you cannot simply conjure from thin air.
“In Babbity Rabbity and her Cackling Stump, Beedle didn’t sugar coat the fact that there are Muggles who do persecute wizards and witches. But I also find it interesting that the only person who died in that story was not a real wizard, as was likely the case during the Burning Times. Thousands of innocent Muggles died in the place of our own kind due to mass hysteria. Further to that, when Babbity was nearly caught, she did not exact bloody revenge on the king, she merely scared him into ceasing his hunt. Nor did any wizard or witch get violently involved, for that matter; the story has a mostly peaceful resolution. It’s possible the Beedle the Bard witnessed, even participated in some kind of event where a witch or wizard also scared or tricked a witch hunter into no longer hunting Magical people. And since definitely seemed to be fond of Muggles, the senseless deaths of Muggles in the place of witches and wizards may have been a large factor in the inspiration for this story too.
“The Tale of the Three Brothers has a moral that is least tied to the Burning Times, which gives me the impression that it is a tale he told not for the impression it would make on people but he told for posterity, so the story would live on. Of all of them, it fits with the others the least. It is the shortest, and the narrative doesn’t sound much like the other four either. Because the style differs so much from the others, it might have been told to Beedle the Bard, and Beedle retold it in his stories.”
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Barry watched as the professer placed hats on his desks and asked him "Any particular reason why my desk has these hats on them?" he put an emphisis on my. He then glanced to Cela, Copernicus and Plymouth. Cela had such a tough life and Barry couldn`t help because he`d end up being selfish.
He gave her a weak smile before turning his attension to the professer.
"Well sir, I think these stories were made to show that magic isn`t always wonderful and that we don`t need magic. But two of these stories seem to show the benifit of bagic and how it can help us." said Barry quitely. It was a decent answer.
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Jane raised her hands. "Professor, was Beedle the Bard handsome? Cause maybe if he was, maybe he was writing The Warlock's Hairy Heart in reversed roles. Maybe he was the beautiful maiden trying to woo Queen Elizabeth....uhh..were they even from the same time frame, Professor?"Jane was more confused than before.
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Joanne raised her hand risking an answer "Maybe he was a really good story teller, like those old mans you see on the street, telling really good stories, stories that they would like to have happened to them... "
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If we do look at his stories as social commentary, what in the text might actually be inspired by events in Beedle's lifetime? Have a think about it and take your time, folks. No wrong answers here, but hit me with your theories. Examples. Go."
Kayla raised her hand after giving some thought to the last question, "I find it interesting that in a time when muggles persecuted witches and wizards foe being able to do magic that Beedle was rather pro-muggle. It sort of makes me think that perhaps Beedle was either a muggleborn or he at least had one muggle parent and if he was neither of those he was an extremely understanding and forgiving person. In the tale of the Hopping Pot and the Fountain of Fair Fortune we see Beedle having magic helping the muggles with their sicknesses and problems. Maybe Beedle himself suffered an illness or perhaps someone close to him did and he was sending a message through his stories that we are all human and even though we may share differences from each other, we should still show kindness to one another and help each other out.
In the Warlock's Hairy Heart, it kind of makes me feel that Beedle either experienced or watched others go through this very same thing. His message to me is that to hide away your heart renders you inhuman. To have your heart makes you feel emotions, love, hate and so forth all normal human reactions, to take it away really just leaves you as an empty shell and what do you have in the end...nothing.
In Babbitty Rabbitty a tale that shows us more muggle persecution, this time however Beedle in his own subtle way puts muggles in their place but not by force. He simply shows that by meddling in things that you do not truly understand will eventually be your downfall.
In the Tale of the Three Brothers, it seems to me that Beedle may have had a near death experience at one point and perhaps brought the writing of this story. To show others that you cannot cheat death twice that death comes for us all in the end but you just may be able to prolong the inevitable a little."
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| Shoe!Girl │ Rebel Ravie │ Confundus Queen │ RP Addict Elizabeth raised her hand again. "I think Kayla's point about Beedle having some sort of actual connection to Muggles makes sense. Especially if you consider the time period he lived in, from another angle. Yes, it was a time where witches and wizards were persecuted, but it also was a time where royalty had a lot of power, in the sense that they were more than just a figurehead ruler over the country. And the fact that Babbity Rabbity dealt with a king who wanted to further cement his status among his followers kind of connects. There was a fear of people who could perform magic, what better way to make people afraid of you back then than to pretend you had that power? And the king wouldn't have to worry about being persecuted so much, because he wouldn't actually be able to do anything if people tried to force him to, like to incriminate himself.
And The Fountain of Fair Fortune could have stemmed from some sort of ancient holiday celebration, if you think about it. I mean, taking the trials and everything out, that's really what it sounds like. or the concept of Muggle baptisms, like, cleansing the soul or whatever."
She paused, keeping her hand raised, and then asked, "Do we know that Beedle actually created these stories, or could he have just been copying down stories he heard orally in order that future generations might know them?" It was an interesting idea, and she knew that was the case sometimes. So she was curious about if that could have happened here.
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03-11-2009, 12:05 AM
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| Nogtail
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| Double Agent Stamps! Abby raises her hand. "I imagine Beedle the Bard lived in a time with both muggle and wizards died with great frequency. In Tales of the Three Brothers he explores a fact that we all have to face. Magic can not keep us from dying at least not good magic. I doubt many wizards back then considered creating Horcruxes to prolonge their lives. The cost is too great the loss of your soul. During the time Beedle the Bard lived, there were many muggle plagues and other illnesses. Muggle and Wizard healining wa not what it is today. Death was something people existed with on a daily basis. It was more a part of their lives then it is with us today. I imagine all of us have had family members and friends die. It is an inevidiable part of living, but it still something that is easily pushed to the background. Back then people lived with death on a daily basis. It was common for muggles to have all their children die before they did, and they looked at death differently. We prefer not to think about death. It's something that's going to happen, but not for years so why worry about it? I imagine there are wizards that hope in time we will be able to conquer death." |
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Originally Posted by NicoT "Wand of elder never prosper... do you think that little piece of wand lore pre-dates the elder wand, or did it come about as a result of the elder wand?" Truebridge posed the question to the class.
"So, The Wizard and the Hopping Pot, The Fountain of Fair Fortune, The Warlock's Hairy Heart, Babbitty Rabbitty and her Cackling Stump and The Tale of the Three Brothers; these make up the tales of Beedle the Bard. There may have been other stories which did not survive, but these five are brimming with lessons that I hope you all take to heart." Ethan paused and looked around the class, "In saying that, stories such as these can be looked upon as a social commentary of the times and certainly as examples of propaganda. And that goes for the originals as well as the rewrites.
If we do look at his stories as social commentary, what in the text might actually be inspired by events in Beedle's lifetime? Have a think about it and take your time, folks. No wrong answers here, but hit me with your theories. Examples. Go." Placing his elbow on the desk for a second, and propping his chin up on his hand, Jake though for a minute or two, trying to ignore everyone else's answers, lest he inintentionally became influenced by their ideas. He raised his hand after some thought, that was put into both his answer and the way he could phrase it without sounding like a stammering idiot when he spoke. "In answer to that question about the superstition," he said. "The saying about the Elder wands... well, I now understand that it could have come about before or after this tale. So, like, the Elder Wand could have been the very reason for it, OR Beedle used it as a basis for writing this story thing. But that's, like, more of an answer to the other part."
Jake thought again and took another breath. "I'm not totally clued up on everything, so I could be really really wrong on this, but..." Thinking agan for the moment, Jake picked up his quill and examined it interestedly. "Well, like I said, the superstition about Elder Wands could have been massive... so he fitted that in to his story? I mean, it's on a totally smaller scale, but still..." Racking his brains for something on a bigger scale, Jake could only think of one other thing right then. "In the Wizard and the Hopping Pot, yeah, it's the whole muggle and wizard relationship culture, isn't it? Or could be... And maybe it was round that sort of time that he wrote it, maybe to show a message to wizards that muggles should treat muggles good, or they'll just get... killed... I dunno..." Yep... the boy had trully lost control of his brain. "Or, you know, he could have felt like writing a couple of stories..." Jake added hopefully. He never really liked to think about words hiding things or symbolism and meaning all that much. Words were words, not flaming curtains.
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Cela raised her hand, "Well, he was born in the early fifteenth century, and most of the notable stuff that happened in that time was quidditch related so maybe he wasn't very sporty? Everyone needs a hobby and Beedle chose a quill instead of a broom." Cela paused, "Maaaaybe he had a timeturner and went forward in time, or he coulda been a seer and he saw how muggle and wizard relations and even relations amongst wizard kind was going to... cause problems? So he stuck a whole bunch of lessons in his stories hoping it might like... warn us."
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Originally Posted by NicoT "So, The Wizard and the Hopping Pot, The Fountain of Fair Fortune, The Warlock's Hairy Heart, Babbitty Rabbitty and her Cackling Stump and The Tale of the Three Brothers; these make up the tales of Beedle the Bard. There may have been other stories which did not survive, but these five are brimming with lessons that I hope you all take to heart." Ethan paused and looked around the class, "In saying that, stories such as these can be looked upon as a social commentary of the times and certainly as examples of propaganda. And that goes for the originals as well as the rewrites.
If we do look at his stories as social commentary, what in the text might actually be inspired by events in Beedle's lifetime? Have a think about it and take your time, folks. No wrong answers here, but hit me with your theories. Examples. Go."[/SIZE] Anna raised her hand and said, "Well, 'The Wizard and the Hopping Pot' deals a lot with the fact that there are greedy people who wish for more than what they have been granted. These people usually tend to miss out on life's precious gifts, because they are always overlooking these gifts for something they consider bigger and better. Perhaps Beedle once asked a person like the son in the story for help or assistance, but was refused due to a selfish nature. Perhaps this story was Beedle's way of point out the mistakes of that person and teaching him or her---and all of us---what would have been the correct way to react in that situation," she said.
"In the story 'The Warlock's Hairy Heart,' we meet a man who has decided to prevent himself from ever loving again. He does this by removing his own heart and allowed it to become what's known as 'a hairy heart.' I was thinking that perhaps Beedle was once in a similar situation where he refused to allow himself to open his heart up to love someone and then ended up missing out on a great opportunity. While he obviously didn't remove his heart as the man in the story did, he very well could have simply ignored feelings of love in his own life," she said.
"In 'The Fountain of Fair Fortune,' we meet one particular witch, Altheda, who fails to recognize her own true inner strength and abilities. It is only at the end of the story when she acts out of a desperation to save someone's life that she realizes she is capable of so much more than she realizes. Maybe Beedle was once lost as to what to do with his own life, as well, and then came to the realization that he possessed certain talents and abilities that he could build upon and work with," she continued. "You know, a lot of times people wish for things that are quite far out of their league, and then they fail to see the gifts they have been given."
"As for 'Babbitty Rabbitty and her Cackling Stump,' I think Beedle could have wrote this as a means of warning others about abuses of power. The King wished to control a group of people, and in doing so, he attempted to bestow upon himself gifts that he was never meant to possess. He also tried to trick others into believing something that just wasn't true," she continued. "So maybe Beedle saw a rise in power-hungry individuals, and used this story as his way of warning them about what would come."
"Finally, we have 'The Tale of the Three Brothers.' I definitely think the message Beedle was trying to get across was that selfishness will never get you anywhere in life. He did this by portraying the first two brothers as people who ended up causing their own death by wishing for material possessions that will make them powerful and able to live longer. As a wizard, perhaps Beedle struggled with his own ways of controlling his magical abilities, and he wrote this story as a constant reminder of what would happen if mixing selfish natures with magical abilities was taken too far," she finished.
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Originally Posted by DanialRadFAN01 Chris raised his hand. "Maybe Beedle had a bad experience trying to get the love of a girl and thats why he Wrote the Warlock and the Hairy Heart. Not that he went to those extremes but just for the lesson." "Possibly, but that is more personal commentary than social commentary. I like that you are thinking." Ethan nodded. Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiegirl Kayla raised her hand, "To answer your question about the elder wand, I think that superstition came about after the wand became known and it was noted that every man who had possessed it seem to meet an early demise. Wand of Elder, never prosper. Well no-one ever did prosper from possessing it did they?" Truebridge held up one finger, "That we know of." Quote:
Originally Posted by Herminny Herminny eyed the professor for she could see this teacher thought she was crazy, but she did not care, she just enjoyed reading History books, it was something she liked, unfortunately I had only read the book on the famous wizard Harry Potter once or twice.
Herminny then started to think about the question at hand and raised her hand, " Beedle must have been around during a time when witches and wizards were persecuted for their abilities, this is probably what gave Beedle the inspiration to to write Babbity Rabbity and the Cackling Stump and possibly even the Wzard and the Hopping pot cause there had to be a reason the son hated muggles and did not want to help them and to this day it is just wishful thinking if anyone thinks all muggles and magiacal people can live together in harmony, it's sad though, I wish that could happen". "Yes, thank you. He was ahead of his time. Good answer." Ethan told the Gryffindor girl. Quote:
Originally Posted by cedricdiggory Cedric take a look with professor,he thought that this one was a very high-knowledge and intelligent one..a few seconds ago,Cedric raised his hand
,"ummm,maybe Beedle was traveling around other places and some places he reach have a wonderful,amazing but sometimes tragic happenings or stories like The Warlock's Hairy Heart and Beedle want to share this stories that's why he wrote The Tales Of Beedle The Bard?" "Alright, so you believe he might have been inspired by existing stories? I certainly think thats a possibility." Ethan nodded. Quote:
Originally Posted by Waterloo Oooh. This one was a bit of a toughie, weren't it? Professor Truebridge really was getting their brains working this lesson, and Clifford's felt close to exploding. After giving his sore head an ickle rub,the Prefect raised his hand.
"Well, for Babbitty Rabbitty.. perhaps Mister Beedle Bard himself saw some crazy muggle dude waving around twigs and trying to do magic? So he thought he'd write a story about that and give the lady some totally awesome name because he's just cool like that?" Oh yeah, Babbitty Rabbitty was just such a FUNKY name! "And the Wizard and the Hopping Pot.. maybe Mister Beedle got the idea for THAT one because someone cursed his cauldron and it went bouncing around and he thought 'WOW! A hopping pot! That'd make one awesome story!'" Uhhh.. maybe not. "OR!" Clifford started again, waving his arm around eagerly. "MAYBE, Mister Beedle Bard was just a little off his rocker and he just DREAMT all this stuff up!" Oh yeah. "Possibly." Ethan agreed, nodding at the prefect. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Weasley Most of the tales deal with the relationship between muggles and wizards. In Wizard and the Hopping Pot, the pot bugs the wizard until he uses his magic to help his muggle neighbors. The moral being that wizards should help those less fortunate than them in this case muggles. In Babbity Rabbity and the Cackling Stump, we find wizards being persecuted by their muggle counterparts. Here we find a reason why the muggles hate wizards. The king hunts down the wizards because they have magical powers, and he does not. He is envious of the wizards in his kingdom. The stories give us insight into the stuggle between wizards and muggles that forced wizards to go into hiding. The end result was the passage of the Act of Secrecy.
The persecution of wizard by muggles also gave rise to antimuggle feelings in wizards. They were forced to live in secrecy by the muggle. This hatred resulted in many wizards refusing to have anything to do with muggles, and these wizards turned their anger on any wizard who chose to befriend muggles. Here we have the beginnings of wizards thinking they are superior to muggles and muggle borns. Beedle the Bard saw the dangers of what was transpiring and tried to point out that the muggles and wizards were both wrong. "Excellent answer Abby." Ethan nodded, "If that is the case, he was a very observant individual." Quote:
Originally Posted by Hollister Social commentary? Miles had to look up what time Beedle was actually from, after that, he raised his hand for, possibly the last time. "Maybe Mr Beedle went to the extremes with his stories, to get the attention of little kids. But maybe, he's just used these to create morals and lessons to kids for when they are older. And, possibly not to divert their views by using propaganda, but to help them show the consequences if you, for example, in the 'The Wizard and the hopping pot', you become bitter and lonely if you don't care for other people. This was shown by the pot becoming ill because the the wizard's son closed his door on other wizards and witches who needed help." "Ah yes, possibly he had the same intention as Bloxam; educating children. Though it seems he didn't believe in the rose tinted glasses approach." Quote:
Originally Posted by Crayola Hmmm. That was a harder questions than the rest and Evangeline considered it for a few moments, forehead creased on concentration. "Well, Sir ... maybe Beedle tragically realised magic couldn't revive his pet as a child, something that led to the end of Babbitty Rabbitty and her Cackling Stump's tale.." The sixth year said. It sounded pretty possible to her. "And then, older, he realised that magic couldn't create richness, nor cure some illness nor broken hearts, which are - of course - the problems of Asha, Altheda and Amata ... which would also explain why he wrote about young warlock that was afraid of being in love. Maybe Beedle the Bard got his heart broken too." Awwww. "Maybe, Evangeline." Truebridge nodded, glad the students were thinking. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Weasley Abby raises her hand. "I think that saying probably predates the Elder Wand in The Three Brothers. The Wand of Destiny was very loyal to the person who possessed it. "I guess you could say that wizards who possessed The Elder Wand generally didn't live very long prosperous lives, but that was more because of their magical skills than the wand itself. I think the saying [I[Wands of the Elder Never Prosper[/I] had it origns more in wandlore. 'The wand choses its owner.' It is possible that in the past wands were passed from one generation to the next like Neville Longbottom's grandmother insisting he use his father's wand. Neville was neve very good at magic until his father's wand was broken. He then got a wand of his own and his magic improved. "I think so too." Ethan nodded. Quote:
Originally Posted by Hedwig18 "I think the power of a wand cames from both the wand itself and from the wizard or witch. And that line is phearphs because everyone who owned the wand end up killed." she said raising her hand "the other question. In Wizard and the Hopping Pot or Babbitty Rabbitty maybe he saw this happening with some muggle. The 'Three brothers' if Beedle had more brothers it could be about their personalties." "Thank you." Truebridge responded, "It is possible that he wrote about things he had seen." Quote:
Originally Posted by druidflower "I think Kayla's right," Tobi added, with his hand raised, "Historically, It's not harming an Elder Tree, that is to say, using the wood from one that would bring a curse down on a person, legends associated with Elder Wood apart from the old adage, tend to go more of 'Burn it not, or cursed ye be' so it's more not valuing Elder Wood that curses people. Which is probably the problem people who possessed the Elder Wand and never prospered with it had anyway; they thought it was just some awesome dueling tool, and never saw that they could do real good with it. Thus it usually got them killed.
“As for your question relating to social commentary, Beedle the Bard was alive smack in the middle of the Burning Times. And rather than being vengeful about his kind being subjected to witch hunts persecution and torture, he comes up with stories that are ripe with messages of humility and forgiveness.
“In the Wizard and the Hopping Pot, he is careful to not paint Muggles as violent or cruel, but merely as people who need help from time to time, and the wizard is the one who is too quick to judge. This, I think is a cautionary tale of what he feels the future could be if the events of his time were to go unchanged, sadly he was very adept at predicting the future. Fortunately, the wizard sees the error of his ways, but we have not, and we don’t help Muggles with their troubles very much even though we can.
“In the Fountain of Fair Fortune, there is an underlying ironic message that Muggles don’t fear magic if it benefits them, but there is also a very uplifting message concerning value of people before we concern ourselves with the value of their magical abilities or the magical properties of an item they have possessed. This makes me think That Beedle the Bard hid himself as a Muggle among Muggles for a long time and grew to learn these lessons first hand.
“In the Warlock’s Hairy Heart, Beedle wrote of a capable wizard who essentially could not love. In the end it killed him and the woman he tried to love. It’s the antithesis of the Fountain of Fair Fortune. Again, I think that in his life, Beedle the Bard would have witnessed or experienced that all the magic in the world did not buy a person love or happiness. There are some things you cannot simply conjure from thin air.
“In Babbity Rabbity and her Cackling Stump, Beedle didn’t sugar coat the fact that there are Muggles who do persecute wizards and witches. But I also find it interesting that the only person who died in that story was not a real wizard, as was likely the case during the Burning Times. Thousands of innocent Muggles died in the place of our own kind due to mass hysteria. Further to that, when Babbity was nearly caught, she did not exact bloody revenge on the king, she merely scared him into ceasing his hunt. Nor did any wizard or witch get violently involved, for that matter; the story has a mostly peaceful resolution. It’s possible the Beedle the Bard witnessed, even participated in some kind of event where a witch or wizard also scared or tricked a witch hunter into no longer hunting Magical people. And since definitely seemed to be fond of Muggles, the senseless deaths of Muggles in the place of witches and wizards may have been a large factor in the inspiration for this story too.
“The Tale of the Three Brothers has a moral that is least tied to the Burning Times, which gives me the impression that it is a tale he told not for the impression it would make on people but he told for posterity, so the story would live on. Of all of them, it fits with the others the least. It is the shortest, and the narrative doesn’t sound much like the other four either. Because the style differs so much from the others, it might have been told to Beedle the Bard, and Beedle retold it in his stories.” "Excellent insight as usual, Tobi." Truebridge made a little gesture, intending to encourage the others to take notes of the ideas shared by the tall Gryffindor. Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny Boy Barry watched as the professer placed hats on his desks and asked him "Any particular reason why my desk has these hats on them?" he put an emphisis on my. He then glanced to Cela, Copernicus and Plymouth. Cela had such a tough life and Barry couldn`t help because he`d end up being selfish.
He gave her a weak smile before turning his attension to the professer.
"Well sir, I think these stories were made to show that magic isn`t always wonderful and that we don`t need magic. But two of these stories seem to show the benifit of bagic and how it can help us." said Barry quitely. It was a decent answer. ooc: my desk actually.
Ethan gave Barry a curious look before nodding at his answer, "That's true, but not quiet what I was asking." Quote:
Originally Posted by geraldinechang Jane raised her hands. "Professor, was Beedle the Bard handsome? Cause maybe if he was, maybe he was writing The Warlock's Hairy Heart in reversed roles. Maybe he was the beautiful maiden trying to woo Queen Elizabeth....uhh..were they even from the same time frame, Professor?"Jane was more confused than before. Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojogali Joanne raised her hand risking an answer "Maybe he was a really good story teller, like those old mans you see on the street, telling really good stories, stories that they would like to have happened to them... " "Not quite the same timeframe." Ethan shook his head, "But I appreciate your line of thought." Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiegirl Kayla raised her hand after giving some thought to the last question, "I find it interesting that in a time when muggles persecuted witches and wizards foe being able to do magic that Beedle was rather pro-muggle. It sort of makes me think that perhaps Beedle was either a muggleborn or he at least had one muggle parent and if he was neither of those he was an extremely understanding and forgiving person. In the tale of the Hopping Pot and the Fountain of Fair Fortune we see Beedle having magic helping the muggles with their sicknesses and problems. Maybe Beedle himself suffered an illness or perhaps someone close to him did and he was sending a message through his stories that we are all human and even though we may share differences from each other, we should still show kindness to one another and help each other out.
In the Warlock's Hairy Heart, it kind of makes me feel that Beedle either experienced or watched others go through this very same thing. His message to me is that to hide away your heart renders you inhuman. To have your heart makes you feel emotions, love, hate and so forth all normal human reactions, to take it away really just leaves you as an empty shell and what do you have in the end...nothing.
In Babbitty Rabbitty a tale that shows us more muggle persecution, this time however Beedle in his own subtle way puts muggles in their place but not by force. He simply shows that by meddling in things that you do not truly understand will eventually be your downfall.
In the Tale of the Three Brothers, it seems to me that Beedle may have had a near death experience at one point and perhaps brought the writing of this story. To show others that you cannot cheat death twice that death comes for us all in the end but you just may be able to prolong the inevitable a little." "Another excellent answer. He might well have been muggleborn. Certainly there are no records of Purebloods with the name 'Beedle'. Thank you Kayla." Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverTiger Elizabeth raised her hand again. "I think Kayla's point about Beedle having some sort of actual connection to Muggles makes sense. Especially if you consider the time period he lived in, from another angle. Yes, it was a time where witches and wizards were persecuted, but it also was a time where royalty had a lot of power, in the sense that they were more than just a figurehead ruler over the country. And the fact that Babbity Rabbity dealt with a king who wanted to further cement his status among his followers kind of connects. There was a fear of people who could perform magic, what better way to make people afraid of you back then than to pretend you had that power? And the king wouldn't have to worry about being persecuted so much, because he wouldn't actually be able to do anything if people tried to force him to, like to incriminate himself.
And The Fountain of Fair Fortune could have stemmed from some sort of ancient holiday celebration, if you think about it. I mean, taking the trials and everything out, that's really what it sounds like. or the concept of Muggle baptisms, like, cleansing the soul or whatever."
She paused, keeping her hand raised, and then asked, "Do we know that Beedle actually created these stories, or could he have just been copying down stories he heard orally in order that future generations might know them?" It was an interesting idea, and she knew that was the case sometimes. So she was curious about if that could have happened here. "Very good, Elizabeth. Excellent point about the power of the Monarchy at that time. And a good question. We don't know for sure that he created the stories, or even if there are more stories credited to him that did not survive." Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Weasley Abby raises her hand. "I imagine Beedle the Bard lived in a time with both muggle and wizards died with great frequency. In Tales of the Three Brothers he explores a fact that we all have to face. Magic can not keep us from dying at least not good magic. I doubt many wizards back then considered creating Horcruxes to prolonge their lives. The cost is too great the loss of your soul. During the time Beedle the Bard lived, there were many muggle plagues and other illnesses. Muggle and Wizard healining wa not what it is today. Death was something people existed with on a daily basis. It was more a part of their lives then it is with us today. I imagine all of us have had family members and friends die. It is an inevidiable part of living, but it still something that is easily pushed to the background. Back then people lived with death on a daily basis. It was common for muggles to have all their children die before they did, and they looked at death differently. We prefer not to think about death. It's something that's going to happen, but not for years so why worry about it? I imagine there are wizards that hope in time we will be able to conquer death." "Good points about Death, Abby." Truebridge nodded. Quote:
Originally Posted by Zoerawrr Placing his elbow on the desk for a second, and propping his chin up on his hand, Jake though for a minute or two, trying to ignore everyone else's answers, lest he inintentionally became influenced by their ideas. He raised his hand after some thought, that was put into both his answer and the way he could phrase it without sounding like a stammering idiot when he spoke. "In answer to that question about the superstition," he said. "The saying about the Elder wands... well, I now understand that it could have come about before or after this tale. So, like, the Elder Wand could have been the very reason for it, OR Beedle used it as a basis for writing this story thing. But that's, like, more of an answer to the other part."
Jake thought again and took another breath. "I'm not totally clued up on everything, so I could be really really wrong on this, but..." Thinking agan for the moment, Jake picked up his quill and examined it interestedly. "Well, like I said, the superstition about Elder Wands could have been massive... so he fitted that in to his story? I mean, it's on a totally smaller scale, but still..." Racking his brains for something on a bigger scale, Jake could only think of one other thing right then. "In the Wizard and the Hopping Pot, yeah, it's the whole muggle and wizard relationship culture, isn't it? Or could be... And maybe it was round that sort of time that he wrote it, maybe to show a message to wizards that muggles should treat muggles good, or they'll just get... killed... I dunno..." Yep... the boy had trully lost control of his brain. "Or, you know, he could have felt like writing a couple of stories..." Jake added hopefully. He never really liked to think about words hiding things or symbolism and meaning all that much. Words were words, not flaming curtains. "Right, Jake. Good ideas." Ethan nodded encouragingly at the boy. Quote:
Originally Posted by Celandine Cela raised her hand, "Well, he was born in the early fifteenth century, and most of the notable stuff that happened in that time was quidditch related so maybe he wasn't very sporty? Everyone needs a hobby and Beedle chose a quill instead of a broom." Cela paused, "Maaaaybe he had a timeturner and went forward in time, or he coulda been a seer and he saw how muggle and wizard relations and even relations amongst wizard kind was going to... cause problems? So he stuck a whole bunch of lessons in his stories hoping it might like... warn us." "Thinking outside the square again. Good answer." Quote:
Originally Posted by Anna Banana Anna raised her hand and said, "Well, 'The Wizard and the Hopping Pot' deals a lot with the fact that there are greedy people who wish for more than what they have been granted. These people usually tend to miss out on life's precious gifts, because they are always overlooking these gifts for something they consider bigger and better. Perhaps Beedle once asked a person like the son in the story for help or assistance, but was refused due to a selfish nature. Perhaps this story was Beedle's way of point out the mistakes of that person and teaching him or her---and all of us---what would have been the correct way to react in that situation," she said.
"In the story 'The Warlock's Hairy Heart,' we meet a man who has decided to prevent himself from ever loving again. He does this by removing his own heart and allowed it to become what's known as 'a hairy heart.' I was thinking that perhaps Beedle was once in a similar situation where he refused to allow himself to open his heart up to love someone and then ended up missing out on a great opportunity. While he obviously didn't remove his heart as the man in the story did, he very well could have simply ignored feelings of love in his own life," she said.
"In 'The Fountain of Fair Fortune,' we meet one particular witch, Altheda, who fails to recognize her own true inner strength and abilities. It is only at the end of the story when she acts out of a desperation to save someone's life that she realizes she is capable of so much more than she realizes. Maybe Beedle was once lost as to what to do with his own life, as well, and then came to the realization that he possessed certain talents and abilities that he could build upon and work with," she continued. "You know, a lot of times people wish for things that are quite far out of their league, and then they fail to see the gifts they have been given."
"As for 'Babbitty Rabbitty and her Cackling Stump,' I think Beedle could have wrote this as a means of warning others about abuses of power. The King wished to control a group of people, and in doing so, he attempted to bestow upon himself gifts that he was never meant to possess. He also tried to trick others into believing something that just wasn't true," she continued. "So maybe Beedle saw a rise in power-hungry individuals, and used this story as his way of warning them about what would come."
"Finally, we have 'The Tale of the Three Brothers.' I definitely think the message Beedle was trying to get across was that selfishness will never get you anywhere in life. He did this by portraying the first two brothers as people who ended up causing their own death by wishing for material possessions that will make them powerful and able to live longer. As a wizard, perhaps Beedle struggled with his own ways of controlling his magical abilities, and he wrote this story as a constant reminder of what would happen if mixing selfish natures with magical abilities was taken too far," she finished. "I certainly think those are some of the lessons he was trying to get across with his stories, thank you Anna." Truebridge nodded. "Any one else like to contribute?"
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Herminny raised her hand again cause she was starting to think about the Warlocks ZHairy hearyt and what might have provoked Baadle to write a tale like that and she thought it could have been bad relationships but it also could have been much more so she raised her hand and said, " I believe Beedle wrote the Warlocks Hairy Heart cause he probably went through some tough times thinking I would be better off without a heart, but then Beedle probably met the love of his life or someone who could just give his life some meaning. I believe Beedle wrote this tale not to showcase a bad relationship but show that no matter what you go through in life things can get bet better and nothing you or anyone could ever do to you is worth you becoming emotionless and you stop the caring and loving part of life, it shows in his story that anyone who thinks thats a good idea will truly regret it in the end.
Then Herminny took a breath thinking about the Tales of the Three Brothers and raised her hand to say, " I believe Beetle learned about the objects the brothers recieved from the oldest boastful brother who probably talked about all the objects one per brother and this is where the tale got it's inspiration
I believe Beedle came up with the ingenious idea to put death in the mix of all this cause he saw a way to connect the items in this way."
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Jude shrugged as his hand went up. "Oi ain' gonna ainswer nun o' dem storeh ques'ions 'cept fer de one about Rabbity Babbity..." he didn't really care if he said it right or not, it'd do, "Oi thoin' tha' Bee'le 'ad been pros... pres... Neh... Persecooted, theh we go... Jus' loike de witches an' wiza'ds froom de storeh. An' tha's wha' made 'im wroite such a storeh, is cuz 'e was pre'y dun' toired o' ge'in 'arrassed boy all de townspeople an' wha'no'..." He thought hard for a moment and then shook his head, "Yeh Oi ain' go' nuthin' else... Wai' mehbey Oi do... Neh... neh Oi dun'..." he finally finished and sat back, fairly pleased with himself, though wishing he could have come up with reasons behind any of the other stories, like the Hopping Pot. I mean, it was his favorite story, and yet he couldn't come up with a theory of why it was written or what Beedle's inspiration was. Sigh.
He raised his hand again, slowly, "A'tually, Oi 'ave a wee li'l oidea be'ind de 'Oppin Po' storeh. Theh's always a li'l chance tha' de who'e storeh was jus' one big dream, tha' 'e wrote down an' mehbey added a few li'l additions 'ere an' theh ta make i' more in'erestin'..." shrugging once more, the small, shaggy-haired boy finally shut up.
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