Con_Stripes | 03-28-2009 09:12 AM | Quote:
Originally Posted by DanialRadFAN01
(Post 8017057)
Chris raised his hand with a theory. "Perhaps it doesn't happen with every case becuase, the fangs or teeth may not pierce a vein or artery or the vitim may get the venom out before it spreads." | Quote:
Originally Posted by suzy18
(Post 8017072)
Maddos raised his hand replied, "I believe that is because, the fang has to penetrate the skin in order to spread the venom." | "Ah." Ethan tapped his nose, "Not quite." Quote:
Originally Posted by Celandine
(Post 8017084)
Cela took another chocolate frog quite happily and thought about the question.
She raised her hand. "Well, they can sometimes control their venom right? And they might not want or need to waste it, like when they bite, depending on what they are biting? And as for not always dying, its 'cos some venom isn't deadly and also because some prey might be resistant." | "Thats right. Again." Ethan nodded at the Ravenclaw, unsurprised she was at the top of her house. Quote:
Originally Posted by Tomasina Riddle
(Post 8017097)
She raised her hand. "Well because some venoms aren't designed to kill . Some neurotoxins are just to stun their prey or their hunters to they can get away or eat them later after they have dragged them to their lair." She offered.
ooc: source-my own head | "That is one of the contributing factors, very good." Truebridge nodded. Quote:
Originally Posted by aussiegirl
(Post 8017110)
Kayla raised her hand, "Well perhaps like Celandine said they may not want to kill straight away. They could use their venom to paralyse their victim and render them into a weakened state, so that if they don't want to eat straight away they can leave the leave the blood warm and flowing until later when they are hungry." Cause who wants to eat cold meat? | "Right." Kayla Winters was on fire. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ameh
(Post 8017114)
Raiden raised his hand tentatively. "Well... don't they have to choose to envenomate something? So if they don't think it's worth the effort, they don't bother, do they?" He scratched his head and thought for a moment. "Some of the venoms are probably just to paralyze their prey. So they can't get away, but they won't die either. In case the dragon maybe saw something tasty, but decided it didn't want to eat it until later?" | "Right." Ethan nodded and folded his arms across his chest. Quote:
Originally Posted by cedricdiggory
(Post 8017116)
Though envenomation does not occur with every bite, and death does not occur with all venom types. Any ideas as to why this might be?"
Cedric raised his hand.."envenomation does not occur with every bite,..maybe there's some other parts of the dragons that have a venom not only their teeth..like the sting ray..its tail has a venom so there's a possibility that
dragons have a venom not only in their teeth.....",Cedric explained
"and death does not occur in all venom types...maybe the venom of the dragons are not so effective to the people it bites....some other people drinks the dragon bloods especially the one one who has a tribe but they are not died even though dragons have a venom in their body.."Cedric answered | "I like that you are thinking, Cedric. However that isn't quite what we were looking for. And all dragon venom is effective for the purpose it is intended for." Quote:
Originally Posted by Anna Banana
(Post 8017130)
Anna happily accepted her chocolate frog, hugging it close to her with happiness. My how she loved chocolate frogs! Anna eyed the two frogs Professor Bunbury had received. Yummm. Hearing the professor ask another question, Anna raised her hand. "Well, some creatures can actually choose not to inject venom with their bites. In this case, they'd only bite to defend themselves in some sort of an attack. A 'dry bite' happens when a creatures bites but does not inject venom," she said. "This would be one reason why death would not occur. Another reason would be that the fangs might not have penetrated the skin, therefore the venom wouldn't get into the body." | "Right. They can choose not to inject the venom." He nodded. Quote:
Originally Posted by druidflower
(Post 8017221)
Tobi had his own stash of chocolate, so he figured the gentlemanly thing to go would be to pass his to Anna. Cela had had enough chocolate. He'd give her a chili cream after class. Meanwhile he raised his hand and threw in his guess,"Ma'am while there are three TYPES of venom there are countless venoms out there, and many are more potent than others." he said, "Even if we forget that for a second, you need to consider location of a bite or envenomation. It's like anything else: imagine getting stabbed in the muscle tissue of your shoulder; it would hurt, but it's probably not fatal. Now imagine getting stabbed in the carotid artery - you would have as little as 15 seconds left on your life if you didn't get immediate help. So consider now being bitten in your big toe by something carrying a mildly cytotoxic venom. That venom probably wouldn't make it all the way to your heart if you acted quickly, besides, you may have the white cells and antibodies to fight off the venom. But being bitten close to an artery would carry the through more of your blood stream, where it can do more damage quicker. Now imagine if it were a more potent venom too."
Wheew! Didn't HE feel like he suddenly swallowed a textbook. He blamed Nona. ooc: 23 years of M*A*S*H and ER reruns and subsequently needing to check EVERY fact. |
"Good example, Tobi." Truebridge nodded. "Now, a few of you mentioned that a dragon, or indeed most any venomous creature, can often choose whether or not to envenomate. The reason for this is because venom stores are not unlimited and it usually takes a minimum of four days for the venom to be replenished. A reason death does not always occur because not all venoms are intended to kill, some are to incapacitate. Like Anna said, there is such thing as a 'dry bite'. But don't get to excited, if you get bitten by a venomous dragon and it is a 'dry bite', there is still the matter of having just been bitten by a dragon."
Ethan tapped the blackboard and more notes appeared. Quote: Types of fangs & Venom delivery systems Aglyphous (grooveless)
There are no fangs to inject venom into prey. These dragons have no specialized teeth and instead each tooth is approximately the same shape and similar in size. Opisthoglyphous (rear grooved)
These fangs are situated toward the back of the mouth and typically curve backward rather than straight down.The fang has a groove which channels the venom down into the prey. Because of this, to in order to envenomate the prey, The dragon needs to bite its prey with its strong inscisor teeth, move its prey to the back of its mouth and penetrate the prey with the venomous fangs. Proteroglyphous (front groove)
This type of fang is fixed and are folded completely around the venom channel, like a syringe or hollow needle. A Proteroglyphous fang needs to be long enough to penetrate prey and yet short enough so they will not puncture the lower jaw. Solenoglyphous (pipe grooved)
These fangs are able to fold back, unfurling when the dragon opens its mouth. They are very long and have evolved to inject large quantities of venom. The quantity is directly controllable, as is the angle of both fangs individually. This type of fang allows the dragon to strike very, very fast.
| "In general, there are four categories as far as Dragon fangs are concerned. In the most simple sense, they are; fangless, fixed fanged, folded-fang and rear fanged. Generally a creature which is fangless, is not venomous. Those that are tend to carry their venom in their saliva rather than in specialised venom sacs. There is one dragon that defies this generalisation, as I will explain in just a moment. Dragons are similar to snakes as far as venom delivery systems go. That goes for both magical and mundane snakes."
Ethan looked around the class, noting that apparently there were quite a few candy fiends.
"When harvesting dragon venom, it is important to know about the type of venom, fang and venom delivery system the dragon has. Can anyone guess why?" |