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XanaSnape · 02-19-2009, 03:34 AM

Professor Kazimeriz had changed the contents of the chalkboard:

At each seat, there was a quill and ink set and a parchment:

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Defense Against the Dark Arts: CURSES
Name:
House:
Year:

1. What is your personal experience with dark arts, if any?

2. Have you had personal experience with curses specifically? If so, explain.

3. Do you intend to pursue a profession that will require you to excel in DADA or pass N.E.W.T. level coursework? Explain.

Please complete this worksheet and I will collect them before class begins. If you have unresolved spell damage from the hex and jinx exercise, please queue up at Healer Byron's chair and she will assist you.

Professor Kazimeriz sat at his desk, near the chair where Healer Byron sat. He was making notes in an ancient book while he waited for the students to return to class.

ooc: RP coming in and filling out the worksheet, or queueing up and getting healed by Healer Byron (angelwing, who will be here for the duration of class) if you're hexified or jinxified. When we have a good number of people in the class, I'll begin. This final portion of lesson one will last about 2 days so every time zone can play.

SilverTiger · 02-20-2009, 02:31 AM

Elizabeth raised her hand, finally. She had felt a little better when the boy she had helped had tried to reassure her it wasn't her fault, so wanted to participate again. "Curses are the typical spells used for Dark Magic, and are always offensive. There is no curse that can really be used defensively. They are stronger than hexes or jinxes, and cause physical damage to whatever they hit. But they really only qualify as dark magic if the caster intends them to be."

TwilightHodges · 02-20-2009, 02:41 AM

Twilight Mcdonahue sat in the back of the classroom and completed the questions.

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Defense Against the Dark Arts: CURSES
Name: Twilight Mcdonahue
House: Hufflepuff
Year: First Year

1. What is your personal experience with dark arts, if any?
My mother worked in the Auror office so I saw her practice.

2. Have you had personal experience with curses specifically?
If so, explain. No I have not. Somehow I didn't run into anyone outside of the classroom
and or offices within the rules.
3. Do you intend to pursue a profession that will require you to excel in DADA or pass N.E.W.T. level coursework? Explain.
My grandfather says that this is important and I agree with him. I am very interested in the workings of spells and how the effect others so I would like to go onto my NEWTs am not sure yet if I want to be an Auror or not yet.

Please complete this worksheet and I will collect them before class begins. If you have unresolved spell damage from the hex and jinx exercise, please queue up at Healer Byron's chair and she will assist you.

She listened to what the students were telling inventively, as she didnt have anything to tell. She didn't know if it was luck or unlucky that she had not met up with anyone to either hex or be hexed.

Anna Banana · 02-20-2009, 02:55 AM

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Professor Kazimeriz watched as the students filled out their paperwork and each spoke a bit about their experience with hexing and defense. It seemed that the game worked-- they were slowly learning to increase their levels of awareness.

Excellent.

"As your responses seem to indicate, this exercise has taught you more about the value of never, ever letting your guard down. To do so invites danger, and the wisest defensive maneuver is to never be placed in a position where you are taken by surprise." He casually pointed his wand back toward his chalkboard, which erased itself. "Now, as you have personally experienced, the terms 'hex' and 'jinx' can be used interchangeably, for they both reference spells with mild to moderate negative effect. Let us now turn out attention to curses." He grinned at the children in the room with a creepy, almost hungry glint in his eye... the look of a madman with a dastardly plan. "Who would like to explain what exactly a curse is and how it differs from a hex or a jinx?"

Anna slightly widened her eyes when the professor glanced at the class in an almost-creepy, Kazimeriz-type manner. That man scared every bone in her body. Hearing his question, she raised her hand. "A curse is a magical spell that is casted in order to harm, control, or terrify another. Curses are more powerful and cause more harm than hexes or jinxes," she said. "Both hexes and jinxes are still negative spells which cause certain degrees of pain and discomfort as well, though."

PhoenixFlame · 02-20-2009, 02:58 AM

Ludo listened as the Professor spoke up again. Curses were a bit beyond his knowledge, other than the Unforgivables...
But then he began to think, "Are curses always for offense?"

He raised his hand. "Professor? Forgive me if I am ahead of myself, but are curses not used for defensive purposes as well as offense? Such as a counter-curse?"
Ludo's knowledge of counter-curses was about as broad as that of regular curses...but it couldn't hurt to ask.

XanaSnape · 02-20-2009, 03:00 AM

"Very good... Two points for everyone who offered an answer." Kazimeriz smiled. "The word curse, derived from the Old English cūrsagim meaning censure or cursian, refers to offensive spells that cause physiological or psychological damage to a target or target object. It can also refer to negative magical energy ensconced in an object to be released at a later time, causing a malicious effect on those in contact with it. As for counter-curses, we will address that in a moment, Snicket."

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Elizabeth raised her hand, finally. She had felt a little better when the boy she had helped had tried to reassure her it wasn't her fault, so wanted to participate again. "Curses are the typical spells used for Dark Magic, and are always offensive. There is no curse that can really be used defensively. They are stronger than hexes or jinxes, and cause physical damage to whatever they hit. But they really only qualify as dark magic if the caster intends them to be."

He raised an eyebrow. "Really? Miss... Andrews, isn't it? Interesting statement. It is often said that it is only dark magic if the intent is there." He began to pace as he lectured, his cane making loud CLOMPING sounds that punctuated his words.

"By that theory, what standard should we use to determine intent? The opinion of the caster? The victim? An innocent bystander, perhaps, who viewed the spell?" His obsidian, ancient eyes locked on to her face, then moved to take in the faces of all his students.

Disneymaniac · 02-20-2009, 03:09 AM

"The caster. Cos he is the only one with the real reason," Theo said.

SilverTiger · 02-20-2009, 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by XanaSnape

He raised an eyebrow. "Really? Miss... Andrews, isn't it? Interesting statement. It is often said that it is only dark magic if the intent is there." He began to pace as he lectured, his cane making loud CLOMPING sounds that punctuated his words.

"By that theory, what standard should we use to determine intent? The opinion of the caster? The victim? An innocent bystander, perhaps, who viewed the spell?" His obsidian, ancient eyes locked on to her face, then moved to take in the faces of all his students.

Elizabeth kept her eyes on the professor, not about to show fear, even though she was feeling a tiny bit of it. Especially since she couldn't quite figure out if he was saying she was right or wrong. Or what was going on. Raising her hand slightly, out of respect before answering, she said, "I would think, in the case of dark magic, it is the caster who determines intent. Although the victim would certainly feel the side-effects if the intent was there. And an observer would see what happened to the victim as well. Of course, the same observer might find themselves a victim, if the caster was truly a Dark wizard."

emjay · 02-20-2009, 03:13 AM

Mariel took down some notes then looked up at the professor's next query. That was kind of a tough question. The Ravenclaw girl chewed on her lower lip as she thought for a moment. It would really depend on the situation, wouldn't it? She raised her hand and offered her opinion. "I suppose one would have to weigh the opinions of all three - the caster, victim, and witness - otherwise it might be one word against the other. The caster might insist that he had no other choice while the victim, feeling defeated, might claim malicious intent. I suppose it would depend on the circumstances surrounding the event and the unbiased opinion of any witness might better assess the situation." She took a deep breath and lowered her hand as she realized that she had been rambling.

Riverlynn · 02-20-2009, 03:18 AM

Lasca mulled over this last question. It was true that the opinion of the caster would matter in the long run, depending upon the casters intent the curse could have varying levels of effects. Although, even to someone watching an intent to do a person harm usually is a good indicator of dark intentions. The young Ravenclaw so no reason that any curse should not be labeled as "dark", so she raised her hand.

"Professor, for all intents and purposes the caster uses curses to be harming his or her victim, therefore it stands to reason that any curse should be considered dark. Even so, I am not seeing an instance where the victim would laugh and give his attacker a pat on the back for causing him serious harm."

It all seemed very clear cut to Lasca but, she could be wrong. Voicing her opinion wouldn't hurt. Would it?

EquestrianGal88 · 02-20-2009, 03:21 AM

Freya thought of something and raised her hand, "But, Sir. What if the caster was unfamiliar with the curse, not realizing how much damage it could cause? Sure, the caster may not have really intended it to harm anyone, but the victim and bystanders would certainly see it differently. What would happen if the victim was badly injured? I think that all views should be acknowledged. People have been injured and killed by friendly fire, and even though the intent to harm those individuals was not present, the curse would still be considered Dark Magic because the effect still comes out the same. The curse will not decide who will receive more or less punishment or pain." She paused for a moment, "However, in most cases I believe the caster is the one to determine the intent. But there are a select few."
Freya fidgeted with her quill for a moment before writing down a few notes on her parchment. 'A curse is a curse, dark magic is dark magic. Plain and simple, it does not discriminate.'

PhoenixFlame · 02-20-2009, 03:21 AM

Ludo watched with wide eyes as the Professor watched Liz as if a breakthrough had just occurred. It truely was a fascinating discussion. Ludo thought briefly if Professor Kazimeriz had been in Ravenclaw house.

He took spare parchment out and scribbled several lines regarding intent of the curse caster and intent from the point of view of the victim.

Anna Banana · 02-20-2009, 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by XanaSnape

"By that theory, what standard should we use to determine intent? The opinion of the caster? The victim? An innocent bystander, perhaps, who viewed the spell?" His obsidian, ancient eyes locked on to her face, then moved to take in the faces of all his students.

Anna raised her hand once again. "I'd have to say the caster, because he or she is the only one who truly knows of the intentions of the spell. A victim or an innocent bystander can easily provide his or her own opinion as to the intent of the curse, but only the caster knows the real reason behind the spell," she said.

druidflower · 02-20-2009, 03:30 AM

Tobi raised his hand, "Sir, while intent defines the state of one's mind while an action is being taken, namely that caster, to truly discover one's intent, without resorting to spells or veritaserum, it often takes also the accounts of bystanders and the victim as well to learn it. So while it ultimately, it's the intent of the caster that matter, I think the bystander and the victim should be considered as well."

Mrs. Weasley · 02-20-2009, 03:38 AM

Abby raises her hand. "I would believe that it would be the responsibility of the Ministry of Magic to determine which curses are considered Dark Magic or a lesser form of Dark Magic. The Ministry already considers the Avada Kedavra, Cruciatus, and Imperius Curses to be Unforgivable Curses and most definitely dangerous Dark Magic."

XanaSnape · 02-20-2009, 03:39 AM

Kazimeriz smiled. "Excellent questions, Miss Lorrensith. Take two points.

He paused near Andrews' desk, looking instead at Anna. "So, the wizard casting the spell determines the intent. Is that so, Miss Greingoth?" he paused. "If we follow the logic that the caster determines the intent, as so many have said... could I not cast a cruciatus curse on Miss Andrews-- right here in the class-- and then state that I did not intend long term physical damage, I was merely instructing the students on curses? Is it dark magic, or am I free from any fear of Azkaban, as my intentions were for the greater good?" He drew his wand, pointing it at Andrews as he looked to his students for their response.

angelwing · 02-20-2009, 03:41 AM

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Lasca smiled up at Plymouth. If she had been standing she would have curtsied to him. "Thank you, for being such a gentlemen." Then looking around she spotted the nurse. "Pardon me. I was hit with a badly aimed twitchy jinx and then with a jelly-legs hex." Wincing from the muscle spasms, she sincerely hoped that she had something for the pain. Her headache was growing as well.

Sighing decided to fill out the paper they had been given until the nurse could get to her.

Merry nodded as she continued on to the next patient and listened to the ailment. "Ahh I see." Saying the countercharm for the jelly legs and the one that stopped the twitching. "This potion is for the aftereffects. Twitching isn't fun and this will help the muscle pains caused by the twitching."

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Daniel lined-up for the attention of the Healer. He was not hexed or jinxed, but he was bruised from the fight. He also wanted to be checked for any irregularities.

He then took a seat near the wall on the right side of the classroom and looked at the seat work that was waiting for them.

After finishing the seat work, he listened to the professor talking about the experiences they had.

Daniel raised his hand and answered, "Professor, I think the jinxes are more unpleasant than hexes. Because hexes are sometimes used only to annoy or play tricks on people. And besides, jinxes have more grave result that hexes which has a lighter effect like changing a body part of disfiguring it." He inhaled a huge amount of air after saying his answer and sigh.

"And what hex were you hit with?" She asked the young man waiting patiently.

Mrs. Weasley · 02-20-2009, 03:44 AM

"Professor, no offence but I think you're too old to risk going to Azkaban just to prove a point. The Cruciatus Curse is most definitely considered severe dark magic no matter what your intentions are at the time you perform the curse."

TeafortheSoul · 02-20-2009, 03:44 AM

Cela raised her hand, "Would the intellect of the caster have any bearing on the matter at all? Stupid people can still do dark magic, but it may not be their intent- rather the intent of someone smarter than they are, someone who has a hold over them... or who is just too scary to rebel against. Also I think historical use of a spell has some influence over whether it is considered dark magic or not."

EquestrianGal88 · 02-20-2009, 03:45 AM

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Kazimeriz smiled. "Excellent questions, Miss Lorenssith. Take two points.

He paused near Andrews' desk, looking instead at Anna. So, the wizard casting the spell determines the intent. Is that so, Miss Greingoth?" he paused. "If we follow the logic that the caster determines the intent, as so many have said... could I not cast a cruciatus curse on Miss Andrews-- right here in the class-- and then state that I did not intend long term physical damage, I was merely instructing the students on curses? Is it dark magic, or am I free from any fear of Azkaban, as my intentions were for the greater good?" He drew his wand, pointing it at Andrews as he looked to his students for their response.

Freya raised her hand again, "Sir, I think that if you were to cast a curse on a student, there would be intent. Your intent would be to educate, and a deeper intent to that would be to cause injury. You don't mean to harm the student, but the curse will do the damage anyway. No regards to how badly you feel. It is still dark magic."

Mrs. Weasley · 02-20-2009, 03:45 AM

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Abby raises her hand. "I would believe that it would be the responsibility of the Ministry of Magic to determine which curses are considered Dark Magic or a lesser form of Dark Magic. The Ministry already considers the Avada Kedavra, Cruciatus, and Imperius Curses to be Unforgivable Curses and most definitely dangerous Dark Magic."

For Professor Kazimeriz

Riverlynn · 02-20-2009, 03:48 AM

Lasca thanked the nurse before downing the potion. The effect was almost instantanious and was quite relieving. Then she returned her attention to the discussion at hand. She disagreed whole heartedly with what most everyone was saying. Once again the Ravenclaw raised her hand.

"While the intent of the caster may determine the severity of the curse, it is still a curse. Meant to cause harm and pain. Thus why such spells are named curses."

She wanted to say more but felt that in this case less was more. It was turning into a very interesting conversation she had to admit.

druidflower · 02-20-2009, 03:52 AM

Tobi raised his glittery hand once more, "Sir, I don't think that a person can cast a powerful curse to cause such harm as the Cruciatus curse, and then make claims such as he was didn't intend to cause harm. Most people are aware of what that curse does, so ignorance of its effects is not often a plausible defence, unless the caster was under the influence of the Imperius curse, but it would have to be proven, as for having cast it, but not truly wishing harm, curses REQUIRE focus and will to be properly cast, particularly the truly heinous, so I don't think, were you truly to cast it on someone, that you'd be able to say that you hadn't intended for it to hurt someone, because you knew it would, and it would have if you had carried it off."

Anna Banana · 02-20-2009, 03:57 AM

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Kazimeriz smiled. "Excellent questions, Miss Lorrensith. Take two points.

He paused near Andrews' desk, looking instead at Anna. So, the wizard casting the spell determines the intent. Is that so, Miss Greingoth?" he paused. "If we follow the logic that the caster determines the intent, as so many have said... could I not cast a cruciatus curse on Miss Andrews-- right here in the class-- and then state that I did not intend long term physical damage, I was merely instructing the students on curses? Is it dark magic, or am I free from any fear of Azkaban, as my intentions were for the greater good?" He drew his wand, pointing it at Andrews as he looked to his students for their response.

When Professor Kazimeriz stopped near Anna's seat and addressed her, Anna sat up a bit straighter and looked at the professor out of the corner of her eyes. She considered his question for a moment and then turned to look directly at him. "Yes, sir. A curse isn't something that a victim or innocent bystander asks for. It's something that comes from the mind---and true intentions---of the one behind the wand. A curse is a curse, though, regardless of what the caster states the interntions are. Because of the effects caused by a curse, I don't believe a person would be free of any punishment, Azkaban or some other fate, if they cast any of the Unforgivables," she said.

Mad Eye Touz · 02-20-2009, 03:57 AM

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Kazimeriz smiled. "Excellent questions, Miss Lorrensith. Take two points.

He paused near Andrews' desk, looking instead at Anna. So, the wizard casting the spell determines the intent. Is that so, Miss Greingoth?" he paused. "If we follow the logic that the caster determines the intent, as so many have said... could I not cast a cruciatus curse on Miss Andrews-- right here in the class-- and then state that I did not intend long term physical damage, I was merely instructing the students on curses? Is it dark magic, or am I free from any fear of Azkaban, as my intentions were for the greater good?" He drew his wand, pointing it at Andrews as he looked to his students for their response.

Plymouth was ... well, he needed a straight jacket. Straight up. He didn't want to lose MORE points, no doubts there, but he couldn't just SIT there while Psychomeriz pointed his wand at a GIRL. Elizabeth, no less. His house mate and buddy.

Chivalry was apparently dead among the senile, as well.

Plymouth raised his hands - both of them - and waved them. "PROFESSOR. Yoohoo. If you're wanting to curse someone *coughagaincough* - I volunteer. Then I guess we'll see first hand what exactly your intentions are, you being the caster. Experience is one way of knowing, I guess."

*PhoenixRising* · 02-20-2009, 04:04 AM

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He paused near Andrews' desk, looking instead at Anna. "So, the wizard casting the spell determines the intent. Is that so, Miss Greingoth?" he paused. "If we follow the logic that the caster determines the intent, as so many have said... could I not cast a cruciatus curse on Miss Andrews-- right here in the class-- and then state that I did not intend long term physical damage, I was merely instructing the students on curses? Is it dark magic, or am I free from any fear of Azkaban, as my intentions were for the greater good?" He drew his wand, pointing it at Andrews as he looked to his students for their response.

Dominic sat up straighter when the Professor Krazikook was needless to say, pointing his wand at a Ravenclaw girl - a quidditch player no less. To be honest, the fifth year didn't exactly care if the professor cursed the girl into oblivion. Sure he should have cared more because she was a fellow student, but at the same time, it wasn't like they were friends and two, she was a beater. One less for him to worry about.

"Well, Professor," Dom began with his hand waved. "Technically you could use a curse for educational means, but the cruiciatus curse would be a different circumstance since it is in fact one of three unforgivable curses. To which those three curses are fully punishable by every degree, regardless of the intent of the caster."

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