Blood Status
 

ok, so I hope these questions haven't already been asked. I did a thread search and could not find anything so I think im good.

1. What would be an apropriate blood status if the father is a squib and the mother is a muggle?



Ern type edit: I'm hijacking this question from the Questions thread to initiate a discussion and to provide a place for other RPers to clear up their own blood status questions.

In answer to your first question, that sounds fine to me. After all, it would be like a muggleborn wizard and a witch having a squib for a child, does that make sense? XD Either way, a squib is of magical descent, so that is perfectly fine.

And second, yes, you can just make up the amount of money you have. There is no official earning of money for your characters on site, so don't worry about doing anything wrong ^.^ And yes, perfectly to okay to do that. Nobody is checking up on it. (:

actually, for my first question, I was wondering if my blood status would be considered half and half or muggle born.

and thanks for the help, I new to SS and RPing too, so I am trying to learn it all. :)

Oh, hehe, sorry. Totally misread that XD My bad

My guess would be half-blood. Like i said, a squib is from a wizarding bloodline. There's soooooo many statuses you could chose from per character, but not enough definition... *rambling*

hehe. I was new to RPing when I joined SS. I'm sure you'll do great at it :D

I would think that the kid would be a muggleborn because its magical parents that give you the bloodline, its like their magical status gives you your magical status.

*joins in too to give help*

but Squibs come from magical descent. So it'd mean the child would be half-blood, because although one parent doesn't have full magic, they still came from a magical family.

wasnt JKR asked a question like this (or similar) for Squibs vs Muggleborns? she said that Muggleborns most often than not actually do have at least one relative that was of wizarding lineage but have "squibed out" down the line of descendants. depending on how far back and which line of consanguinity was between the Muggleborn and the last Wizard/ Squib relative determines the category-- Muggleborn or Halfblood. that degree of consanguinity is something i cant recall if JKR actually gave an answer to or not.

example:

1.) Dad Wizard + Mom Witch= (child w/ magic) Pureblood

2.) Dad Wizard + Mom Witch= (child w/o magic) Squib

3.) Dad Wizard + Mom Muggle= (child w/ magic)= Halfblood; (child w/o magic) Squib

3.) Dad Muggle (no magic lineage) + Mom Muggle (no magic lineage) = Muggleborn

4.) Dad Squib (from parentage #2) + Mom Muggle= (child w/ magic) Halfblood?? Muggleborn??

5.) Grandparent Squib + Grandparent Muggle= (grandchild w/ magic) Halfblood?? Muggleborn??

6.) Great-grandparent Squib + Great-grandparent Muggle= (greatgrandchild w/ magic) Halfblood?? Muggleborn??

7.) Great-grand uncles/ aunts (w/ magic) = (Great-grand descendant w/ magic) Muggleborn??

i do remember JKR confirming that Hermione does have magical lineage running in her family at one point, and she fits example #7 above. she is called Muggleborn-- which makes sense because of how far back the last recorded magical relations was.

its the children/ grandchildren/ great-grandchildren on the direct line of consanguinity thats tricky. personally, if the child has direct magical relations as far back as a grandparent, i'd call that kid a Halfblood.

clear as mud? :P

What would be Dad Wizard/Pureblood + Mom Muggleborn = ???

Would that be Half-Blood???

Technically speaking ... YOU could either go Half or Pureblood even I think... BEING that both parents are Wizards/Witches respectively... It's like the same lineage as Harry Potter was, who was considered Halfblood, in the books? BUT it could maybe be considered Pure because of the fact that both parents are magical.
SO yea, you could go either route ... would be appropriate *nods*

*disagrees* definitely halfblood. Canon= canon.

you know this has always been the part that felt counter-intuitive to me: Pure/Halfblood+ Muggle= Half-blood (make sense) but Pureblood+ Muggleborn= Halfblood? :huh: why would that child be Halfblood if both parents are magical?

and think about it. if Harry who had a Muggleborn mom and a Pureblood Dad was still a "Halfblood", what does that speak of with Tom Riddle-- who had a Pureblood mom but Muggle dad?

should it be said that Harry's blood quality be "better" compared to Voldemort's?

methinks JKR needs to come with the rules of what classifies bloodlines (should be easy, she was able to come up with the Transfiguration Law), because right now as it stands, it seems that one can only be called a "Pureblood" if direct magical lineage is unbroken from the grandparent level backwards, not from parents, which is the most logical point of determining lineage.

:dizzy:

I think they're still considered Half-blood because they would have "Muggle blood," so to speak, in their lineage because their grandparents on their Muggle-born parent's side are Muggles. To be considered Pureblood, the child should have no direct Muggle ancestors (i.e. parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc.). I don't think it's based only on whether the parents are magical or not.

I think only prejudiced Purebloods who actually care about bloodline and lineage and all that would think that. Most other wizards and witches who don't care about that kind of thing aren't inclined to think any bloodline is "better" than other one.

One thing I wonder about though is what a child with a Squib parent would be. Like if a Squib married a Pureblood. Would the child still be Pureblood? Or Half-blood? Or if a Squib married a Muggle. Is the child a Half-blood or a Muggle-born?

And this is pretty much the question that started it all. My character has a pureblood squib father, and a muggle mother, so I decided on calling her a half-blood. After all, her father is the result of to very old Pureblood families.

But, heres something else to think about. Both parents are half-bloods, each with a magical parent, and a muggle parent. What would the Child be? Don't two halves make a whole?

I think that's just when stuff...starts getting tricky. Harry was considered a half blood, because his mum was muggleborn and his father was pureblood. BUT they were both magical, so some people might look at that and be like "Wait, wouldn't he be pureblood?" I even heard someone suggest he was a 3/4 Blood, whatever that is :lmao: So yeah, like Jess said. But in the book, he was referred to as half.

To be honest, I say go with what you think feels RIGHT to describe your character. The fact of the matter is that people are going to interpret special cases (like Squib + Muggleborn) one way, and it was never really described in detail in the books, you know? For example, my first charrie Emma was considered a "muggleborn" because both of her parents were muggleborn. Some people may look at that and say pureblood cause they're both magical. It's different from everyone's point of view. So if you feel your character would identify with muggleborn or pureblood or what have you...just go for it:D

Because it's not about your parents being able to use magic, but being of pure magical blood, meaning that both parents have to be born to pureblood parents, not just know magic. That's why wizards and witches that believe in blood superiority are so smug - they can boast that they've never, never at all, had any muggles in their lineage.

Frankly, I find it really, really easy to decide if a character is a pureblood or halfblood. Rowling's rules about it have always seemed crystal clear to me. For meee... No muggles in the lineage? That's a pureblood. Muggle-born wizards and witches in the lineage? That's a halfblood. Both parents muggles that can't use magic [and aren't squibs]? Then the child is a muggle-born witch or wizard. I believe that to be canon. ^___^

I agree with you completely and as for the squib thing, If they're from a pureblood family, to me, if they had offspring with a pureblood (or pureblood squib) then those children would be pureblood (or... squibs), but if they had children with halfbloods or muggleborns then their children would be half.

I don't know WHERE I originally got it from, (possibly a fic somewhere?) But one 'rule' that I found/find useful is the idea, as Steely said, with it being measured by the blood of the grandparents. So a child can look at their parents and their grandparents, and if all are of magical blood, then that child is pureblood.

(of course I'm sure 'genuine' purebloods might look down on those self proclaimed types XD)



As an aside:

It'd be interesting if it could be measured by a dominant/recessive gene since that'd mean in some cases you might get siblings that are half and pure, just like you can get different eye colours or even skin tones.

I consider Ellie pureblood when her mom's a muggleborn.
I dunno, I just felt like it was the parent's magical status that was most important.
*shrugs*

Great minds... ! =D <3

AND yes. Genuine purebloods might look down on those. x3

That's your choice, Ninerz. ^__^ In canon, though, she'd be a halfblood. Like Harry. Dad = pureblood but mum = muggle-born witch.

Sseeee, I always thought Harry was pureblood. That's why I decided to go that way. If I knew different, she woulda been halfblood. But I see, I see. That makes sense.

Yeah I get why if you have a Muggleborn parent and a Pureblood parent why you would be pureblood. I hate to say this, but you got to kind of think like what that Nazis did about the Jews. Any inkling of coming from a muggle family then you wouldn't be considered pureblooded. That's why grandparent's blood matter so much as well. During the Holocaust if you had just one grandparent that was Jewish, you were considered Jewish and had "tainted" blood. So, if one grandparent was a muggleborn, you wouldn't be considered Pureblood.

I think that's what J.K. was thinking when she went into such a depth viewing of blood status, especially in Deathly Hallows. You can see so many parallels to Nazi Germany and what took place in that book, such as rounding up the Muggleborns and questioning their blood status. It's disgusting. And as a side note, I found it most appalling when the movie took it a step further when Bellatrix wrote "Mudblood" on Hermione's arm, like the number tattoos the Jews got during the Holocaust.

There is, in fact, a quote by J.K. Rowling herself saying something along these lines, how the really prejudiced Purebloods or even Half-bloods who claim to be Pureblood (i.e. Voldemort) are behaving just like the Nazis did. The quote can be found here on the HP wiki.

I thought Harry was a Pureblood too when I was first reading the books, but then my friend told me he was Half-blood and then in OotP (I think it was that one) Bellatrix calls Harry a "filthy Half-blood" (at least I'm pretty sure she said that in the book as well, not just the movie :hmm: *shall have to go reread it*). So I've accepted him as a Half-blood since then.

Plus I think it's kinda cool to have the trio a representation of all types of magical blood with Ron being the Pureblood, Harry the Half-blood, and Hermione the Muggle-born.

Mother=Veela, Father=Wizard. Mixed blood, right?

Half blood yes.

half breed even ;)

Since Veela aren't completely human.

*goes typical canon Slytherin*

Harry's mother = mudlbood
Harry's father = pureblood
Harry = puremud

or if you wanna be more PC

Harry's mother = muggleborn
Harry's father = pureblood
Harry = puremug

XD

But really, I think that in HP, if there is a muggleborn parent, and a pureblood parent, the child would be halfblood, because pureblood is, well... pure. As in pure magical lineage. You could call the kid halfblood OR I always considered the word FULLBLOOD and that means that both parents are wizards.

Likewise, a squib came from a magical family, and so their child, if there is one had with a pureblood witch/wizard would be fullblood, but not half blood.

For the sake of canon, fullblood doesn't exist. But it's rarely straight pureblood (both parents magical with full magical lineage), straight halfblood (one parent magical with full magical lineage, one parent muggle with NO magical lineage) or muggleborn (both parents muggles with no magical lineage).

Life is rarely straightforward. I think with this it will always be the grey area.