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04-04-2011, 07:26 PM
| | Video: David Heyman & David Barron talk Deathly Hallows: Part II changes & spoilers
At CinemaCon last week, producers David Heyman and David Barron revealed many changes and spoilers for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part II soon after the preview aired at the convention in Las Vegas. That can be viewed at CinemaBlend and read below; and please note that there are changes from book to film, so those who have not seen the final installment will be spoiled. Quote: In the footage we saw today, there's a scene of Snape and McGonagall facing off in the Great Hall, which I don't remember happening at all in the book.
They do face off, but it's not in the Great Hall. There are a lot of things there that are slightly different from the book, but they are true to the spirit to the book. Snape and McGonagall do face off in the book, but it's in a corridor as Harry's on his way to the Ravenclaw common room. It didn't work the way we were structuring the final battle to have that, so it takes place in the Great Hall. We also wanted to make a bigger scene of Harry's confrontation with Snape. Snape's role in the film is minimal, and it was minimal in the second half of the book, and yet you wanted to have the emotional investment when you see his past story [the memory Harry views in the Pensieve]. We wanted to build that up in order for it to have its emotional impact. So the Pensieve moment stays in too?
Yes, that and Dumbledore [at King's Cross]. But what I love about these films, what I love about the books, is that all the action, adventure and magic, what means most to me is the character stuff, the slow stuff. I love having the time to tell the story. I'm really happy about breaking the book into two films, it gives us the time to really spend time with the characters and have the moments such as the flashback, Dumbledore at King's Cross. If we had done it as one film, we would have lost the Snape flashback. Is the mewling creature on the floor at King's Cross still in there?
Yes, that's in there. I've never been able to figure out what that means.
It's part of Voldemort's soul. There's the scene from the first half of the film of Hermione and Harry dancing in the tent, and it's so rare to see any scenes added in the Harry Potter movies, but people loved it. Is there anything like that coming in the second half?
I'm not sure there are. For example, like you saw in the footage today, the statues coming to life [during the Battle of Hogwarts] -- that's not in the book. It's quite a percussive ending, and we wanted to have some good magic. Do you keep the desks that Professor McGonagall is instructing to charge?
No, we didn't. Oh, I loved the desks!
I liked the desks too, but if you think about it, in a film which has grown up, that's kind of juvenile. It's like Peter Pettigrew strangling himself [which happened in the seventh book but was cut from the film]. It's great in the book, but really hard on film. Those things don't translate as well when the films are growing up. When you went back and reshot the epilogue at the end of the film, was it mostly tweaking the makeup effects?
It was a couple of reasons. One it was the makeup, that was the first thing. The other was, to be honest, we were limited by shooting at King's Cross. It really limited our ability to block. And in terms of performance, these little kids, some of who weren't actors, were drowned by the noise of the trains, the announcements. That was really a problem. When we filmed it back at the studio, we brought the trains to the studio and filled the station in digitally. It's really beautiful. Are most of the effects makeup, or is there any CGI in there?
Not really. A little bit of tweaking. How did the actors go into the scene, growing into themselves 15 years later?
They look good. It's subtle. It's going to be very interesting to see the response, since inevitably we know it's Dan, Rupert and Emma, and we've just seen them as 17-year-olds. Initially we went a little further [with the effects], and then we pulled it back. Sometimes if you try too hard you're really aware of the work. You won't have huge wrinkles, obviously there's a difference, but you still resemble yourself. You had this opportunity of releasing the first half of the movie while the second one was still underway. Did you take anything from the response to the movie and apply it to the second half?
No, we've never done that with any of the films. I am a really big Harry Potter fan, and so too are the directors and everybody working on the films. In a way we are the harshest critics of the films. I'm aware of everything that's wrong with each and every one of the films, proud as I am of each. There's nothing we can be told-- we're the critics, we really have a good sense of what we ned to do.
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04-05-2011, 01:21 AM
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Oh, I loved the desks!
I liked the desks too, but if you think about it, in a film which has grown up, that's kind of juvenile. It's like Peter Pettigrew strangling himself [which happened in the seventh book but was cut from the film]. It's great in the book, but really hard on film. Those things don't translate as well when the films are growing up.
Peter Pettigrew strangling himself was juvenile?! I TOTALLY disagree with that! In fact I gotta say, the way they ended up handling that particular scene in Part I was way more juvenile looking and I'm sorry is one scene I think they botched ( but not just because of what they did with Wormtail). Quote:
How did the actors go into the scene, growing into themselves 15 years later?
They look good. It's subtle. It's going to be very interesting to see the response, since inevitably we know it's Dan, Rupert and Emma, and we've just seen them as 17-year-olds. Initially we went a little further [with the effects], and then we pulled it back. Sometimes if you try too hard you're really aware of the work. You won't have huge wrinkles, obviously there's a difference, but you still resemble yourself.
15 years later? Is the movie changing the time frame a bit? It's supposed to be 19 years later.
I will say I'm thrilled they went back and tweaked the makeup a little bit. I thought Bonnie and Emma looked great in the initial photos released of them shooting at the train station but Rupert and Dan looked like they were supposed to be in their late 40's -50's rather than mid 30's.
I'm just sad about the length of the epilogue.
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04-05-2011, 01:55 AM
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I'm nervous about Part II. It's the shortest of all of the films, and 3/4 of it is said to take place in Hogwarts. I feel like Gringotts will be hurried, and with some spoilers I've heard, I'm worried about the changes they've made.
I know he probably didn't mean to be insulting, but the "juvenile" comment didn't sit well with me. If anything, leaving out a pretty brutal death the way they did was the more "juvenile" decision, in my opinion. Sometimes they have to learn to trust the material.
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04-05-2011, 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ladycplum There's nothing anyone involved with this film can say to placate the fact that one of the most important moments in the entire seven years of Harry Potter has been cut from the movie. My antipathy towards Kloves, Barron, Heyman...it just knows no bounds. Amen.
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04-05-2011, 04:16 AM
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Originally Posted by ladycplum
There's nothing anyone involved with this film can say to placate the fact that one of the most important moments in the entire seven years of Harry Potter has been cut from the movie. My antipathy towards Kloves, Barron, Heyman...it just knows no bounds.
Which would be.....?
Seriously what are you referring to?
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04-05-2011, 04:51 AM
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This interview was very well said actually. I'm happy with what they have done with harry potter. Film critics are different from book critics so let's try not to merge these two into one. Books are of course the in-dept part of everything since you actually take -in and visualize the author's writing and description. Films are what captivates us. I mean, Harry potter has been with us 10 years now and it has been by far the best movie for me. Well, some parts they should have given justice but HP films are really nice when it comes to effects and magical ideas. Really, thumbs up for that!
the downside is, I AM A BIG FAN OF SNAPE. I wouldn't complain if the movie is 20 minutes short as long as SNAPE'S childhood should be given justice. I will seal my lips and be happy. Do him justice now. Dumbledore's funeral at film 6 was not that great.
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04-05-2011, 05:45 AM
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"There's the scene from the first half of the film of Hermione and Harry dancing in the tent, and it's so rare to see any scenes added in the Harry Potter movies, but people loved it. Is there anything like that coming in the second half?"
Someone should be shot for asking this question. It was a scene that we didnt need. It made me laugh at how ridiculous it was. Yates Stinks. thank goodness they arent bringing any other scenes like that btw the two. What people loved it?
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04-05-2011, 09:18 AM
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How are the desks and Peter strangling himself juvenile? JK wrote them in there for a reason, therefore they are not juvenile!
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04-05-2011, 12:45 PM
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I've never been able to figure out what that means.
It's part of Voldemort's soul.
okay, who asked that? My 12 year old knew what it was!!!
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Um...the statues did come to life in the book....hello????? Actually it was the armours but still...same thing...
Anyway...I believe that having a closure with Wormtail would be nice, given there are people who haven't read the books and only watch the movies, but still it's not so important...I just hope they won't leave any Snape stuff out...it's the best part of the second part of the book...
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04-05-2011, 04:14 PM
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According to people who've been to the test screening, "The Prince's Tale" was the best scene in the movie and that Alan Rickman was great, so I'm not worried about that part.
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I've read quite detailed reports from people who saw the test screening and i feel more anxious and excited than EVER! I didn't think it could be possible.
I was a little worried about the Prince's Tale because that's one of the most moving moments in the entire series... it's such an important part of the story and it just has to be done properly. According to the reports there's no need to worry about that! It sounds absolutely amazing and i will definitely cry like a baby in that scene...
I understand what David Heyman meant when he talked about cutting the desk thing... i get the point. It works in the book but not in a film. But i personally don't understand how Pettigrew strangling himself is juvenile. I just don't get it. But to be quite honest, it doens't really bother me. If they have to change something i'd rather they change the Pettigrew thing and not the Prince's Tale for example. Overall (according to the reports) the film seems amazing and even all the little details we've talked about (like the best lines for example) seem to be there.
I am so freaking excited. But i must say... where is the bloody trailer?? I was hoping to see it with Red Riding Hood but it didn't happen. Then i hoped to see it with Sucker Punch... but no. Come on WB!
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04-05-2011, 08:57 PM
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What all this about desks? I don't really remember that part,therefore I don't see how important it could be. Was that the part where she asks the students to help?
Anyway,I agree about Wormtail. His death was flimsy and anti-climatic in the book. I was thinking he'd play a important part. After all,Harry ssaved his life in POA,and Dumbledore said that Voldemort wouldn't be pleased by this. So I hope his scene in the movie will be great.
That doesn't mean I agree about everything thet did. The part about Voldemort and Harry falling off a cliff,for example.
A few people said that the best part of the series was cut out. What scene was that? I'm guessing you mean something in the fifth one,right?
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Originally Posted by sidnandragin "there's the scene from the first half of the film of hermione and harry dancing in the tent, and it's so rare to see any scenes added in the harry potter movies, but people loved it. Is there anything like that coming in the second half?"
someone should be shot for asking this question. It was a scene that we didnt need. It made me laugh at how ridiculous it was. Yates stinks. Thank goodness they arent bringing any other scenes like that btw the two. What people loved it? thank you, amen, and preach on!
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Nice interview..
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Originally Posted by ladycplum There's nothing anyone involved with this film can say to placate the fact that one of the most important moments in the entire seven years of Harry Potter has been cut from the movie. My antipathy towards Kloves, Barron, Heyman...it just knows no bounds. Yeah, mine too. Towards Heyman, Kloves and especially Yates!
There were so many important key scenes that has been cut from the movies. OOtP and the HBP were so far the worst Harry Potter movies in the series. I mean, they couldn't have ruined those two more. I wish Alfonso Cuarón directed the whole serie...
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Originally Posted by Weasley1903 Yeah, mine too. Towards Heyman, Kloves and especially Yates!
There were so many important key scenes that has been cut from the movies. OOtP and the HBP were so far the worst Harry Potter movies in the series. I mean, they couldn't have ruined those two more. I wish Alfonso Cuarón directed the whole serie... Well Chris I think was the best choice to ease the cast and everyone into the process, he was known for making family films, and there were tons of children on set, so I think he was the one to sort of lead the way. I was honestly not fond of POA, I felt there were some decent plot points that were also left out, especially A LOT of the backstory of the Marauders. (And I seriously wished we would've seen Snape completely lose it over Sirius's escape!) GOF was a step up, but the last three films have left me utterly disappointed, especially OOTP.
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I hate that they called the desks and Pettigrew's death juvenile. I really think that underscores the importance of those moments.
The charge to me was a light hearted moment in a situation fraught with terror and tradegy (when it happened in the book, hadn't Fred just died? Forgive me if I'm wrong)
Now due to the pacing of the film, it might not be necessarily, but for the book, it gives the reader a brief respite from the pain. I'm not saying it needs to be in the film, but not for the reason he gave
And Pettigrew, we all know the importance of that. i was rather peeved they didn't include that.
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Originally Posted by ladysaraii I hate that they called the desks and Pettigrew's death juvenile. I really think that underscores the importance of those moments.
Now due to the pacing of the film, it might not be necessarily, but for the book, it gives the reader a brief respite from the pain. I'm not saying it needs to be in the film, but not for the reason he gave I could not agree more. They're in a battle for their lives, anything and everything that can be used as a weapon should be used as a weapon. And a master of Transfiguration should know that! And you're right, you need a break, however small, from the incredible dark intensity going on around you.
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