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Old 09-12-2005, 06:41 PM
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A few days ago J.K.Rowling updated her site warning fans against forgeries which were being sold on ebay. Since then a spokesman for ebay has said, 'it is the responsibility of the copyright owner to report any listings that violate their rights.' In her second ebay-update JKR has responded to these remarks.

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Ebay might be interested to learn that most Harry Potter fans are children, whose ability to verify the authenticity of signatures is not to be entirely trusted. Meanwhile Hani Durzi seems unaware that I have advised Ebay repeatedly, through my legal representative, that many signatures for sale on their site appear to be fake, but have yet to see any reduction in the number of forgeries on offer. The same is true in respect to other pirate Harry Potter merchandise offered for sale by Ebay users, such as e-Books where we have pointed out to Ebay that 100% of the items being offered for sale are fake.

What I am calling for is prevention rather than cure (which has had limited effect here in any event). After all, reputable booksellers and auction houses take steps to ensure that signatures are genuine BEFORE they put them up for sale. The current situation has Ebay profiting from the Ebay users relentless scamming of Harry Potter fans while, in effect, telling them that they have no-one but themselves – or me – to blame.
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GOod oN JO i think that it needs to be stoped ebay stop selling ilegal tickets so why not clamp down on this?
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that was very very bad indeed....
shame on u ebay....trickin youngsters into believing they were getting real stuff
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That's very bad for e-bay. Shame on them! JK did well in telling her fans what was going on! Stupid people! Thank god I never went there and never bought anything from them. How stupid can the people who bought this feel? I know I would feel pretty stupid.
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Interesting. eBay says it's JK's responsibility to inform them - and she already had! HA - good for her. Oh, eBay doesn't realize who they're dealing with. I wouldn't want to take on Jo!
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I agree with that! I find it really annoying when you see things like "all harry potter books on one cd" Its just unfair to the retailers!
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That's a great point by JKR!! She is so good looking out for her fans like that!
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Ebay are just giving themseleves a seriously bad rep, because us Harry Potter fans have friends
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Go jo, go jo!! Man she is too cool! i've never seen anyone else make so much effort to assure their readers they get the right stuff! I really admire her for it!
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Muah ha ha ha ha ha ha! I never used E Bay because I have this fear of getting ripped off........so here ya go.
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Ebay might be interested to learn that most Harry Potter fans are children,
Then where are the parents? You can't have an Ebay account without a credit/debit card or pay pal, and with pay pal you need your checking/savings account, checking isn't given unless one is 18, and savings should be monitored by parents. And, yes, I'm sure ebay realizes CHILDREN like HP, but *gasp* So...Do...ADULTS! *dies at this common information* Either way you look at it, Adults are involved. Don't blame Ebay if parents cannot control their children.

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Meanwhile Hani Durzi seems unaware that I have advised Ebay repeatedly, through my legal representative, that many signatures for sale on their site appear to be fake,
Many and Appear. Hardly enough for Ebay to do anything. She needs to be more specific to Ebay. If I told someone that "many days it seems like everyone is against me" doesnt say how many days and it only SEEMS that everyone is, doesn't mean they are. Maybe they're authetic because they bought them from places JK DID send signed items too. If she can't say for certain that they're fake, then Ebay can't do anything.

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but have yet to see any reduction in the number of forgeries on offer.
no, because there's nothing saying the person attempting to sell the item may have more than one account. Ebay removes the item from one account name and the person just puts it back up (under a different name)

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After all, reputable booksellers and auction houses take steps to ensure that signatures are genuine BEFORE they put them up for sale.
Yes, but they are also able to look at the items and handle them. Ebay has too big of a base to be able to do anything about it. All they have are pictures. Ebay is impersonal.

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The current situation has Ebay profiting from the Ebay users relentless scamming of Harry Potter fans
Um, she's never done business with Ebay, has she? Ebay gets money whether or not it sells. So she can't claim that.

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telling them that they have no-one but themselves to blame.
True. If you're dumb enough to buy "signed" merchandise off Ebay, you get what's coming to you. Seriously.
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*Ottery totally emotional fires all the cannons at Ebay while yelling* It's typecasting Emma...it's typecasting not stereotyping and what the ...*firing more cannons at the evil that is E-Bay*

Teddy: Drama Queen Ottery: I know you're talking about Emma, or that E-Bay Rep...

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You shouldn't apologize for the corporate giants that suck the lifeblood and sweat and tears from parents who have to kill themselves to try to get their children things they want...considering it's those horrid corporate giants that are the ones responsible for overworking the parents.

*Ottery fires all the cannons at crass commercialism and capitalism and its apologists* Ebay isn't a person, those kids parents are. *shivers*
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GO JO!!! that woman ceases to amaze me! *gasps in adoration*
Ebay official better watch their b-hinds !!!
"profiting from forgeries" shame shame shame!!! :0
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Mmm i have to disacgree there i think children should be able to use ebay! but it depends as well when you count a child as being a child or an adult... say the average age of a HP fan is what 14-16? right then you are oldenough to have a job and earn your own money then you can spend it if you want!

I have bought things from ebay but never signed because shops sell HP books signed but they are just copies! it hink we are all wise to it but i think alot of us know that anyway i mean look at all of the signed stuff a lot of them say.. "This is from a copy in my collection"
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*Ottery totally emotional fires all the cannons at Ebay while yelling* It's typecasting Emma...it's typecasting not stereotyping and what the ...*firing more cannons at the evil that is E-Bay*

Teddy: Drama Queen Ottery: I know you're talking about Emma, or that E-Bay Rep...

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You shouldn't apologize for the corporate giants that suck the lifeblood and sweat and tears from parents who have to kill themselves to try to get their children things they want...considering it's those horrid corporate giants that are the ones responsible for overworking the parents.

*Ottery fires all the cannons at crass commercialism and capitalism and its apologists* Ebay isn't a person, those kids parents are. *shivers*
Don't attack me for pointing out the other side of things, Ottery. (Sorry if you're not, but you often seem to flip from sarcasim to honesty with no warning, it's difficult to keep up). I'm just tired of people blaming companies, whom they KNOW are out to make money, and it's not just Ebay. If people would use some SENSE then people wouldn't be able to get away with this. As I've said before, if you DONT buy "signed" merchandise off Ebay, you'll be safe. It'd be better to go to one of the companies who ACTUALLY get to look at the merchandise.

Doesn't anyone else remember, probably not since you're mostly children right? (JK's word's there, you don't like it, take it up with her), but there was a "controversial" photo on Ebay. It was a metallic tea kettle. Normal......what was so controversial? Let's just call it the reflection in it. Same happened recently with a mirror. Ebay does NOT look at the items until someone brings it to their attention. When someone puts a sale up, they do it all themselves. It's like an extensive message board site, but if no one speaks up, nothing can be done. Look at the problems that happen on this site. (Not a jab at mods and admins who work their tails off, just an example) There are some things that slip by without their notice (if one is on long enough more than "occasionally" more like daily) that they just don't catch because there is SO much work to do. Now. Multiply the work these people do by over a million. Yes, there may be more people working at it, but not enough to keep up. Now, remember that they also work with other countries that up the work load even more.

Oh look, I type in Kiss, selceted CDs and there's 694 up........*types in a random word again* hmmmmmm, Sweet and CDs gives me 724 items........*another word* 391 for Eddings, 13416 for Harry Potter, 62591 for Star Wars. Maybe now you've got the idea how much they have.

Oh, Look. A User Agreement. Big font, so can't complain about it being tiny. Oh look,
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If you are a under the age of 18, you can use this service only in conjunction with, and under the supervision of your parents or guardians.
Yep, enforces what I've said earlier. Parents/guardians must be watching their uncontrollable children (Supposing at JK as she said
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*nods* true true. and, if they're getting stuff off Ebay without mumsy or popsy to say No or offer punishment, then they must be uncontrollable......or left alone often which, if done often enough and extensively which ottery seems to imply at then those parents shouldn't have their children. And who cares if Kiddies don't get everything they want? It's part of life. I grew up not getting everything I want and I turned out just fine. In fact, for those kids who DID get everything they wanted, I couldn't stand. They were spoiled, expected me to cater to their every whim, and were shocked if I said no. DEAL WITH IT. It's a part of life.

*back to user agreement*

oh, ho ho ho. Even Jo didn't do her homework on EBay properly.
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Would you sue or get mad at the organisers of a flea market if you bought something there? Of course not, you'd realise it's the seller's job to tell you everything. That's all Ebay is. A giant, world-wide Flea Market *loves it* *cracks up*

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Instead, the Site acts as a venue to allow anyone to offer, sell, and buy just about anything, at anytime, from anywhere, in a variety of pricing formats, including a fixed price format and an auction-style format commonly referred to as "online auctions" or "auctions." We are not involved in the actual transaction between buyers and sellers. As a result, we have no control over the quality, safety or legality of the items advertised, the truth or accuracy of the listings, the ability of sellers to sell items or the ability of buyers to pay for items.
Hmmmm.........*bolds up key phrases*

That's exactly what they told Jo, who, in return, got her bloomers up in a twist, and it's right there in the User Agreement, which you have to agree and adhere to in order to even use the site. Right there it says that they can't control our stupidity. I'll sum it up, "If something seems too good to be true, it probably is." They can't even promise the legality of items. Ebay is protected by this agreement that what you buy is your responsibility.

BAHAHAHAHAHA, they don't stop there.....

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Because we are a venue, in the event that you have a dispute with one or more users, you release eBay (and our officers, directors, agents, subsidiaries, joint ventures and employees) from claims, demands and damages (actual and consequential) of every kind and nature, known and unknown, suspected and unsuspected, disclosed and undisclosed, arising out of or in any way connected with such disputes.
So, if a problem arises, they say you can't sue Ebay and the people with Ebay, just the users. *loves this*

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We do not control the information provided by other users that is made available through our system. You may find other user's information to be offensive, harmful, inaccurate, or deceptive. Please use caution, common sense, and practice safe trading when using the Site.
LOL There it is again. Everything everyone in here is complaining about. *waves hand in air* Ebay!! Ebay!! I've a complaint. Not everyone uses Common Sense! What do you say to that? "They should learn it" OH!!! Good Idea!! *beats common sense into people*

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That is the only time they can do anything. Jo needs to be more specific if she wants those things removed.

*has to go now*

They do state, In really big capital letters, that they hold no warranty of condition, implied or otherwise. Although some states do not allow that so check with your state.


I don't think people will actually read this. But those are several aspects, mentioned in here, that, as a user of ebay, one must agree to. It's life. Get over it.
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While I understand that E-Bay cannot really crack down on forgeries and fraudulent items, I think that it is good of JK to put the notice out there on her site. She's at least making an attempt to bring this into light to her fans so they can possibly avoid buying items like this on E-Bay.

And adorable_lil_thing, no one is attacking you, we understand E-Bay can't do alot about it, but at least JK is trying to spread some light on the situation.
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