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10-20-2007, 06:51 PM
| | JKR talks Dumbledore's secret love life, Neville's wife & more (UPDATED) NOTICE: This article contains content that may be shocking to some. If you are hateful or intolerant of it, do not post it as it is against site rules. This thread will be moderated.
In her next stop of the Open Book Tour at Carnegie Hall, J.K. Rowling told some things that were not only shocking, but also unexpected by many. First off, in her most outstanding revelation of the night, J.K. announced that Dumbledore is, in fact, gay.
The question was: Did Dumbledore, who believed in the prevailing power of love, ever fall in love himself? Quote:
My truthful answer to you... I always thought of Dumbledore as gay. [ovation.] ... Dumbledore fell in love with Grindelwald, and that added to his horror when Grindelwald showed himself to be what he was. To an extent, do we say it excused Dumbledore a little more because falling in love can blind us to an extent, but he met someone as brilliant as he was, and rather like Bellatrix he was very drawn to this brilliant person, and horribly, terribly let down by him. Yeah, that's how I always saw Dumbledore. In fact, recently I was in a script read through for the sixth film, and they had Dumbledore saying a line to Harry early in the script saying "I knew a girl once, whose hair..." [laughter]. I had to write a little note in the margin and slide it along to the scriptwriter, "Dumbledore's gay!" [laughter] "If I'd known it would make you so happy, I would have announced it years ago!"
"I had to give you something to talk about for the next 10 years...Just imagine the fan fiction now."
After the initial blow of the previous statement had passed, Rowling continued to tell of character's love lives - in particular, Neville's. In fact, she said that Hufflepuff's Hannah Abbott was his wife and she was to become the landlady at the Leaky Cauldron. She thought that people would find the fact of Neville's living over a pub particularly cool.
When Jo was asked what Petunia could not bring herself to say when Harry and the Dursleys parted ways before his seventeenth birthday, she had the following answer: Quote:
"I know what you're up against and I hope it turns out okay."
Remus Lupin was also a popular subject during the interview. Apparently, after graduating Hogwarts, he, James, and Lily were supported by using James' money. She also announced more on the earlier days of the Order of the Phoenix, saying that James, Sirius, Remus and Lily were full time members - or, "Full Time Fighters," as she put it.
We also all know about the ability for those in portraits to move around to other frames throughout a house or building. She revealed that Harry himself made sure that the portrait of Snape made it into the Headmaster's Office, but doubted that he ever went to speak to it.
Next, Jo confessed that Draco Malfoy does not owe his life to Harry. She spoke very briefly of the Elder Wand, but didn't go into details much. She did, however, tell of a few more fates: Hagrid never married and James & Lily went into hiding shortly after she first became pregnant with Harry.
Finally, when concluding the question and answer session, Jo discussed her personal feelings, saying that the first and final novel produced similar emotions. She also admitted that she had troubles living the weeks following her completing the last book in the Harry Potter series.
We will post transcripts to the interview as soon as they are up.
Source: TLC UPDATED: Here is a portion of the transcript from the event courtesy of TLC: Quote:
How did you decide that Molly Weasley would be the one to finish off Bellatrix?
I always knew Molly was going to finish her off. I think there was some speculation that Neville would do it, because Neville obviously has a particular reason to hate Bellatrix. ..So there were lots of options for Blelatrix, but I never deviated. I wanted it to be Molly, and I wanted it to be Molly for two reasons.
The first reason was I always saw Molly as a very good witch but someone whose light is necessarily hidden under a bushel, because she isn't in the kitchen a lot and she has had to raise, among others, and George which is like, enough... I wanted Molly to have her moment and to show that because a woman had dedicated herself to her family does not mean that she doesn't have a lot of other talents.
Second reason: It was the meeting of two kinds of - if you call what Bellatrix feels for Voldemort love, I guess we'll call it love, she has a kind of obsession with him, it's a very sick obsession ... and I wanted to match that kind of obsession with maternal love... the power that you give someone by loving them. So Molly was really an amazing exemplar of maternal love. ... There was something very satisfying about putting those two women together. How different would the last two books be if Arthur had been killed in the middle of book five?
I think they would have been very different and it's part of the reason why I chose my mind. ... By turning Ron into half of Harry, in other words by turning Ron into someone who had suffered the loss of a parent, I was going to remove the Weasleys as a refuge for Harry and I was going to necessarily remove a lot of Ron's humor. That's part of the reason why I didn't kill Arthur. I wanted to keep Ron in tact ... a lot of Ron's humor comes from his insensitivity and his immaturity, to be honest about Ron. And Ron finally, I think, you see, grows up in this book. He's the last of the three to reach what I consider adulthood, and he does it then [when he destroys the horcrux] and faces those things. So that's part of the reason.
The only other reason I didn't kill Arthur was that I wanted to come full circle. We started with an orphan, someone who lost their parents because of the war. And so I wanted to show it again. ... Even though you don't see Teddy, I wanted to express in the epilogue, that he gets an even better Godfather than Harry had, because Sirius had his faults, I think we must admit. He was a risky guy to have as a Godfather. Because Teddy gets someone who really has been there, and Harry becomes a really great father figure for Teddy as well as his own children. I hasten to add that I didn't kill Lupin or Tonks lightly. I loved them as characters...so that hurt, killing them. Q: In the Goblet of Fire Dumbledore said his brother was prosecuted for practicing inappropriate charms [JKR buries her head, to laughter] on a goat; what were the inappropriate charms he was practicing on that goat?
JKR: How old are you?
Eight.
JKR: I think that he was trying to make a goat that was easy to keep clean [laughter], curly horns. That's a joke that works on a couple of levels. I really like Aberforth and his goats. But you know Aberforth having this strange fondness for goats if you've read book seven, came in really useful to Harry, later on, because a goat, a stag, you know. If you're a stupid Death Eater, what's the difference. So, that is my answer to YOU.
[loud applause] Q: Since Ron is able to speak Parseltongue in the last book, does that mean that parseltongue is a language that most witches and wizards can learn or must a person be born with some ability to speak Parseltongue.
JKR: I don't see it really as a language you can learn. So few people speak it that who would teach you? This is a weird ability passed down through the Slytherin blood line. However Ron was with Harry when he said one word in Parseltongue, which I do not know so I cannot duplicate for you, but he heard him say "Open," and he was able to reproduce the sound. So it was one word. Whether he could learn to speak to snakes properly is a separate issue. I don't think he could. But he knew enough, he was smart enough, to duplicate one necessary sound. Q: What did Dumbledore write in the letter to make the Dursleys take Harry?
JKR: Very, very good question. As you know, as we find out in book seven, Petunia once really wanted to be part of that world. And you discover that Dumbledore has written to her prior to the Howler...Dumbledore wrote to her very kindly and explained why he couldn't let her come to Hogwarts to become a witch. So, Petunia, much as she denies it afterwards, much as she turns against that world when she met Uncle Vernon, who is the biggest anti-wizard you could ever met in your life, a tiny part of her, and that's the part that almost wished Harry luck when she said goodbye to him in this book, she just teetered on the verge of saying, I do know what you're up against and I hope it's OK. But she couldn't bring herself to say it. Years of pretending she doesn't care have hardened her. But Dumbledore appealed in the letter you're asking about, so that part of Petunia that did remember wanting desperately to be part of the world and he appealed to her sense of fair play to a sister that she had hated because Lily had what she couldn't have. So that's how she persuaded Petunia to keep Harry. Good question. Q: When Harry was stabbed by a basilisk in the Chamber of Secrets, since he was a Horcrux shouldn't it have been destroyed then?
JKR: I have been asked that a lot. Harry was exceptionally fortunate in that he had Fawkes. So before he could be destroyed without repair, which is what is necessary to destroy a horcrux, he was mended. However, I made sure that Fawkes wasn't around the second time a Horcrux got stabbed by a basilisk fang, so the poison did its work and it was irreparable within a short period of time.... I established early in the book, Hermione says that you destroy a Horcrux by using something so powerful that there's no remedy. But she does say there is a remedy for basilisk poison but of course it has to be administered immediately and when they stab the cup later - boy I'm really blowing this for anyone who hasn't finished the book - there's Fawkes, is my answer. And thank you for giving me a chance to say that because people have argued that quite a lot. Q: Why couldn't Harry speak to a portrait of Dumbledore throughout the last book?
Well there are two reasons, three reasons actually... The last bit, why did he have to decode? As Dumbledore says to Harry...to tell Harry about the Hallows was to tempt him. And Harry, throughout all seven books has been incredibly impetuous and reckless. That's one of Harry's biggest flaws. He does tend to act without thinking, and Dumbledore knows this about Harry. He wants him to work it out slowly enough to gain wisdom along the way. That's why he passed the information through Hermione, who is the most cautious person in the books, as you know. And Dumbledore says explicitly, so your good heat isn't overcome by your hot heads. Or I may have paraphrased myself slightly there so forgive me. "She doesn't even know her own book!" [laughter] Yes so that's one reason. Harry needs to decode. He said, he does say in this book, he's frightened by his decision not to race for the wand, because he had never chosen not to act. So that's Harry's real big coming of age moment, that he's decided to hold back for the first time very in his life.
So the other two reasons that I have for him not to speak to Dumbledore's portrait, first of all, I created a lot of rules for this world and then later had to navigate my away around them. But this rule was always good, and the rule was that portraits could only move between portraits in the same building. So if I'm in a picture and you're in a picture and we're both in Carnegie Hall, then we can move into each other's pictures. Otherwise we can only move only to other places where we have a portrait. You can't just move willy nilly through all the - the Louvre, the Met - you can't do a world tour, as a picture person. You are limited by geography. So there was that reason. And then lastly of course, the third reason, is it really would be too easy and I wouldn't have had a plot. Q: Many of us older readers have noticed over the years similarities between the Death Eaters tactics and the Nazis from the 30s and 40s. Did you use that historical era as a model for Voldemort's reign and what were the lessons that you hope to impart to the next generation?
It was conscious. I think that if you're, I think most of us if you were asked to name a very evil regime we would think Nazi Germany. There were parallels in the ideology. I wanted Harry to leave our world and find exactly the same problems in the wizarding world. So you have the intent to impose a hierarchy, you have bigotry, and this notion of purity, which is this great fallacy, but it crops up all over the world. People like to think themselves superior and that if they can pride themselves in nothing else they can pride themselves on perceived purity. So yeah that follows a parallel. It wasn't really exclusively that. I think you can see in the Ministry even before it's taken over, there are parallels to regimes we all know and love. [Laughter and applause.] So you ask what lessons, I suppose. The Potter books in general are a prolonged argument for tolerance, a prolonged plea for an end to bigotry, and I think it's one of the reasons that some people don't like the books, but I think that's it's a very healthy message to pass on to younger people that you should question authority and you should not assume that the establishment or the press tells you all of the truth.
[Loud applause.]
Q: What did it feel like completing your first Harry Potter book versus completing the last.
JKR: What a great question. It felt strangely similar actually. Both feelings were more alike than with any of the other books. When I finished the first book, there was this incredible sense of achievement that I'd actually written a novel, I'd actually finished my book. And it was after seven years of writing and making notes and rewriting. And then when I finished the seventh book, that was 17 years. With the seventh book there was a huge feeling of loss as well. I couldn't believe I was done. And it took me weeks, as my poor, long-suffering husband will attest. He's here. [applause] Yes, you should clap him, he's very patient! [ovation] He's not the type to stand up and take about it but trust me. Toward the end of a book I'm not that easy to live with. Yes Neil would bear witness to the fact that for weeks, really... it felt like a bereavement. I knew it was coming. I was prepared, I knew it would hurt, and it was huge. So, that's why I'm glad to be here and talk about it. Thank you. Q: Does Malfoy owe Harry a debt?
JKR: That's a great question and a lot of people wanted to know that. When Dumbledore said to Harry, Voldemort won't want a close associate who is in your debt, I wasn't implying by that there was any kind of magical bond there. It was more that Dumbldore's extensive wisdom and knowledge of human nature, he knew as Harry later thinks in book seven, he knew that Pettigrew would react a certain way to having saved his life. ... He's weak, fundamentally weak. Pettigrew is a very weak character. He's not someone I like at all. He's a weak person and he likes to gravitate to people who are stronger. Dumbledore is right. Pettigrew had an impulsive mercy... would Malfoy be in Harry's debt? I think the very worst burden Harry could have put Malfoy under was this one, that Malfoy has to feel any kind of gratitude. So I tried to show that slightly in the epilogue when they look slightly at each other and there's a, "Hi. It's so embarrassing, you saved my life. No one will ever let me forget it." I think, does he owe him a debt, probably not. I think Malfoy would go back to being an improved version of what he was but we shouldn't expect him to be a really great guy any time soon. Q: Harry often wondered about his parents lives before he died. What did Lily, James, Remus, Lupin and Sirius do after Hogwarts?
JKR: To take Remus first, Remus was unemployable. Poor Lupin, prior to Dumbledore taking him in, lead a really impoverished life because no one wanted to employ a werewolf. The other three were full-time members of the Order of the Phoenix. If you remember when Lily, James and co. were at school, the first war was raging. It never reached the heights that the second war reached, because the Ministry was never infiltrated to that extend but it was a very bad time, the same disappearances, the same deaths. So that's what they did, they left school. James has gold, enough to support Sirius and Lily. So I suppose they lived off a private income. But they were full-time fighters, that's what they did, until Lily fell pregnant with Harry. So then they went into hiding. Q: Did Hagrid ever get married and have children?
[Aww from crowd] JKR: Oh, did Hagrid ever get married and have children? No. [awwws again] I may change that immediately due to the look on your face. Yes! He had 22! - No, no, Hagrid never did marry and have children. I'm sorry. I'm really sorry. Oh I feel terrible now. I'll write another book! [Ovation] Realistically, Hagrid's pool of potential girlfriends is extremely limited. Because with the giants killing each other off, the number of giantesses around is infinitesimal and he met one of the only, and I'm afraid, she thought he was kind of cute, but she was a little more, how should I put it, sophisticated than Hagrid. So no, bless him. [Awws] I kept him alive, come on! [Applause.] Q: Is Severus Snape's portrait in the headmaster's office?
JKR: Some have been asking why hasn't the portrait appeared immediately. It doesn't. The reason is that the perception in the castle itself and everyone who was in the castle, because Snape kept his secret so well was that he abandoned his post. So all the portraits you see in the headmaster's study are all headmasters and mistresses who died, it's like British royals. You only get good press if you die in office. Abdication is not acceptable, particularly if you marry an American. I'm kidding! [laughter] I digress. I know, because I thought this one through, because it was very important to me, I know Harry would have insisted that Snape's portrait was on that wall, right beside Dumbledore's. [Applause.]
As for whether Harry would go back to talk to him, I think, I'm not sure he would have done. Snape, I was really [?] the week after I finished the book. And I went to a chat room - not a chat room, what am I talking about? [laughter] I never go in chat rooms. I went onto a fan site because I was looking for questions to put up on my Web site, which is sometimes difficult. And I was so heartened to see that people on the message boards that people were still arguing about Snape. The book was out, and they were still arguing whether Snape was a good guy. But that was really wonderful to me, because there's a question there, was Snape a good guy or not? In many ways he really wasn't. So I haven't been deliberately misleading everyone all this time, when I say that he's a good guy. Because even though he did love and he loved very deeply and he was very brave, both qualities that I admire above anything else. He was bitter and he was vindictive... but right at the very very end, he did, as your question acknowledges, acheive a kind of peace together and I tried to show that in the epilogue.
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Originally Posted by ladycplum Amen. I actually think it was a bad PR move on her part as well. She already has the Witch-hunters (no pun intended again! ) after her to get the books banned, do you have any IDEA what this is going to do? How much she's fanned the flames? I remember when on Buffy, Willow discovered her sexuality, the hate mail that Joss Whedon, Amber Benson & Alyson Hannigan got was astronomical. I think it's a good thing Howlers don't exist in the real world, b/c I get the feeling she'd get a lot. Hateful people tend to be the most vocal, ask the mods, they spend all day deleting offensive posts ...
And I respect Jo, if she did something because she felt it was right (she answered a question put to her everyone seems to forget), and not just because she's trying to make a statement. Especially if that statement is bound to meet with so much unpopular support ...
And your accidental puns aren't funny so much as offensive, since you noticed them you probably could have edited them before you posted. Jo's an adult, and she knows the world we live in like most of us adults, I'm sure when she answered the question truthfully she knew what she was getting into, and I have to respect that. She wasn't trying to be pithy, if you read the transcript I think that comes through.
Double posting also doesn't help that whole bit about popular opinion ... and the internet and forums have never really been a precise indicator of popular opinion ... bet you most people don't even care.
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10-21-2007, 09:41 PM
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Ladycplum...first a girl after my favorite ship and then liking my opinion...you are awesome!!
You said some things are left in the realm of imagination.....I agree with that and also say, "Some things are better left unsaid..."
The fandom arena already suggests so much.....it could of and should of been left as it was.....everyone was OK.....for me, it will NEVER be the same.
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The thing almost everyone is forgetting, as Ottery pointed out, is that she was asked this. I really don't think Jo would lie, especially to a child asking about something relevant to the books. If she wanted to avoid the question, she could have, but she chose to come out with the truth instead. For that, I respect her even more.
Plus, if she were to lie, after what happened with the script for HBP, things could go even more downhill.
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WOW!!! I never thought that DD was gay!!! That was really sweet that Neville married in the end!! and Snape got his potrait up next to DD in the headmasters/headmistress office!! Yah!!
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Joseph S. Mae | I think what shocks me most about Dumbledore now, is that i never even thought of that as a possibility. though now it does make sense. poor guy.. fell for the wrong person.
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Originally Posted by OtterySt.Catchpole
And your accidental puns aren't funny so much as offensive, since you noticed them you probably could have edited them before you posted. Jo's an adult, and she knows the world we live in like most of us adults, I'm sure when she answered the question truthfully she knew what she was getting into, and I have to respect that. She wasn't trying to be pithy, if you read the transcript I think that comes through.
Double posting also doesn't help that whole bit about popular opinion ... and the internet and forums have never really been a precise indicator of popular opinion ... bet you most people don't even care. The double posting was an honest mistake, one which dainsie corrected, I wasn't sure how to integrate replies to two posts into one post. I'm a technoamesiac that way. As to my puns, they WERE meant to lighten the board up a bit since things are starting to get a bit mean-spirited, I meant no offense by them. And considering the amount of press this info tidbit has gotten on IMDB, other Potter websites, and regular news websites that have absolutely NOTHING to do with Potter, I would have to say disagree with you and say there are a pretty good amount of people that DO care. Even if they post to say they don't care, they wouldn't have posted anything otherwise!
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Shouou Inagaki Seventh Year | Hold it! Title Invasion I think the people who say it isn't important also need to realize that its a character trait just like Hermione's hair being bushy or Ron being tall or Harry having green eyes or Flitwick being short or Slughorn being fat. Its a trait. Do ANY of those things matter in the plot? No. They just give the character a personality and an image.
I don't want to sound rude, but I think most of this is protective rationalization for not being accepting. You're all ready to care about who Neville married even though that's not important in the slightest, but Dumbledore's sexuality is an issue?
For those of you who say everything is ruined for you, I'm shocked. Something like that ruins almost a decade of fun in a couple of days? I think a lack of acceptance is what's key here.
Again, I don't want to seem rude, but I think some people just prefer everything to be fluff and when something shocks them, they prefer to ignore it so they can continue to be blind to the world.
Ok... who wants some tasty brownies to make us all happy?
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Originally Posted by Ottery I agree with Everyone, it should have been in the books, I totally saw it coming but I was shocked to find out Dumbledore was gay *see previous reply* and I totally ship N/L. Harry Potter is evil ... don't you go to church Eeri? I mean you should be more accepting of close minded people Eeri. I am. I tolerate them ... I don't think you said anything wrong Eeri. What did you say? Probably something like ... 'if Dumbledore's gay then who knows who else.' See you can't say things like that since they're not canon. Out of thousands of characters only one can be gay. Really you don't think any of them could possibly be in the closet could you? But that would be too real, and like I always said Harry Potter are children's books ... Eh, I think Dumbledore being gay was a bit obvious. I mean... no family, no wife... purple suites and his and Grindelwalds relationship just-- there was a vibe. I saw it coming despite my depressive haze. I guess I'm just good at figuring out subtext. I am... er... I tolerate close minded people. But if you put me in a room with someone preaching about witches and how evil Harry Potter is and how paganism is of the devil and how gay people are bad... then I cannot be held responsible for my actions. hehehe. But... I don't think that Harry Potter can really be classified as a children's book any more. It's too... real. Not counting Dumbledore-- I think it's got this uber dark side and it shows life as it is. It started out being a childrens book and ended up being a novel for everyone, but it was definitely more adult in the end. Quote:
Originally Posted by PersonWhoseNameIDon'tKnow *Jumps up and down screaming* EXACTLY! I could not have POSSIBLY put the sentiment into better words than that. From what I've read on other message boards, and I'm being completely honest here, the majority os posts I've read do tend to lean towards the "what the heck was the point of her even going there?" side. And they all say the exact same thing, which is, if she was going to make Dumbledore gay, she should've said so in the books! Too much information can ruin a character for some people. I think by her coming out and saying that, she takes away SO MUCH of the mysteries that still surrounded Dumbledore, and IMHO, yes, she did ruin things by being so blatant about it. There are some things much better left in the realm of imagination. Quote:
Originally Posted by AndSomeoneElseIDon'tKnow I, myself, am totally disappointed in the DD news. While I am all for gay pride in the real world...I think this is irresponsible of JK. If she wanted one of her characters to be gay, she should have made it known in the beginning. Instead, she waited till AFTER the series, in hindsight to announce this VERY important news. She waited till she made her millions. Had, she outed him in the beginning, I don't think there would have been as many parents that were ok with the books. Mark my words, that the revenue for the next two movies will not live up to the others in regards to cash take. I think DD being gay isn't relevant to the plot and she should have just continued to let people speculate in the fandom arena. That would have been the smart thing to do. I for one, never "saw" any gay tendiencies. As a headmaster, it was the "wise and proper" thing to do to NOT discuss his love life with his students...JK Rowling has really disappointed this fan. The information that Dumbledore is gay wasn't necessary for the plot of the story overall. We only needed to know that he had a relationship of some kind with Grindelwald. It's her book and she can do whatever she wants with it and I don't think it's done harm. She's still got all the money in the world and if they try to ban the books there will be an uproar. I don't care what the other people are saying-- Harry Potter will always be a best seller. If she had mentioned it in the books-- despite how many us wish she had-- I think it would have taken away from Dumbledore's mystery. It was also irrelevant information. The only reason she even said anything was because a question was asked. And I don't think it matters if the movies make less money. She didn't do this to make money. She did it because she loves writing and it just exploded into something astronomical. And again, a question was asked and she answered honestly. She however, knew not to answer the question about Aberforth. The fact that one of her characters is gay, should not be censored. Big deal. And besides, it's all said and done. She's written the books and everyone cried and celebrated. People will either praise her or hate her for this, but I thik she deserves respect for having the courage to write what she did and to say that yes, she wrote a gay character. And really, I don't see how one minute detail can change your view on the books or character. The character has always been gay-- that only difference is now we know. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ryan I think the people who say it isn't important also need to realize that its a character trait just like Hermione's hair being bushy or Ron being tall or Harry having green eyes or Flitwick being short or Slughorn being fat. Its a trait. Do ANY of those things matter in the plot? No. They just give the character a personality and an image.
I don't want to sound rude, but I think most of this is protective rationalization for not being accepting. You're all ready to care about who Neville married even though that's not important in the slightest, but Dumbledore's sexuality is an issue?
For those of you who say everything is ruined for you, I'm shocked. Something like that ruins almost a decade of fun in a couple of days? I think a lack of acceptance is what's key here.
Again, I don't want to seem rude, but I think some people just prefer everything to be fluff and when something shocks them, they prefer to ignore it so they can continue to be blind to the world.
Ok... who wants some tasty brownies to make us all happy?
(PS- Ottery, Eerised, & Zell - You rock my socks.) I agree with you 100%, Ryan! This is the kind of thing that surprises me-- when people can let something that doesn't even hurt them get them so rilled up. It's rather silly. (You rock my socks too, Ryan.)
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When it all comes down to it, I'm really mad b/c I was a McGonaldore shipper, and Evanna Lynch can't be too happy, b/c she was a Lunalbus shipper! BTW Eerised, I'm the first person whose name you don't know
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| Jarvey
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Diana Hayden First Year | its great interview
most of my douts are clear but about dumbeldore it was really.......... shocking , i know more about hagrid lily ,james, molly and sirius.Its great to hear that neville and hannah got married i was really hoping they would
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| Firecrab
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wow! that's all i got!!! Wow
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| Home of the Aussie Nogtail
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Alicia Cranberry | Wow look how popular this has got. I agree with PharaohMan18. Its just Dumbledore's personality, not that big of a change to the story. If thats how JK wanted it, then let it be.
I would NEVER have guessed Dumbledore was gay. But I was wondering if he had a family and that
I am a N/L shipper though Anyway, you rock my socks JK for standing up for Dumbledore and making the world a better place by creating Harry Potter.
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| Kelpie
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| Big Tuna | Booger | Team Men | Chris's SS!BFAM | Jules says I'm RAD | #Superman | Dustbin I wouldn't say it was part of his personality. Personality, as I have learned from my psychology class, is more the way people act to situations they are placed in. Maybe it's just me, but I don't consider sexuality a personality trait. It is a fine line, though.
But all the same, I agree. It's just who he is. He can't help it - he is at the mercy of his genetics, and, since he's a fictional character, JKR.
Personally, I am very disappointed in those of you who are so against DD being gay. Homosexuality is a part of life that you will just have to get used to. We, as a species, have gotten used to speech, clothes, cars, glasses, casts, shoes, and many other things. We can get used to this, too. I think it's just a very immature reaction, but maybe that's just me.
I am all for DD being gay. I had an idea one day that he might be, but pushed it out of my mind as a possibility. i guess I never really saw JKR as being that bold, but I laud her decision. It fits perfectly into the theme of the series.
And to those of you who have lost respect for JKR and have had the books ruined for you, I feel like you have completely missed the point of the books and, if you let something this trivial ruin it for you, I wonder whether you are true fans or not.
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| George's Missing Ear Puffskein
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Isla Pervell Fourth Year | Neville does seem to suit Hannah. but I don't like her, cos she was mean to Harry, in GoF, about the badges.
Dumbledore, gay? That seems odd, I always wondered about why he didn't seem to have a wife though, or any family, same with Minerva, Sprout, Slughorn, Flitwick.. Or maybe they did, and JKR didn't tell us?
Anyway, as to people being against Dumbledores sexuality, and have a problem with it, personally I think its narrow-minded, but people have a right to an opion and if they are against homosexuality, thats a choice they have made themselves, and it isn't ours to change.
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10-22-2007, 07:46 AM
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| Potterwatch! Momma Chizpurfle
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First, my reactions: I think it's awesome that Jo had a gay character in her books. (Sooo many of us have been writing them in fan fiction for years anyway.) It's sad that it wasn't included in the story, but so much of Dumbledore's private life was kept secret until book 7, and the revelation about his relationship with Grindelwald was certainly heartbreaking enough without saying it all. I'm not upset with Jo for not being specific about it until now since .. hey.. It's her book. She can tell her story her own way; I still love it for what it is. Still, I'd say that I would've liked to see a more accurate portrayal of our own communities in the books, except that Harry's community ISN'T my community, so who can say it wasn't an accurate portrayal? Right?
Secondly, I feel the need to don my admin hat and remind everyone to be mindful of your opinions in this thread. Yes, the outing of a gay character is a provocative subject and there are bound to be people who aren't as accepting of it as others. Please ignore the urge to educate or argue. You're not here to change people's ideas of what is good and right. Most of all, do not jump on someone's post and accuse them of being close-minded. THAT is the worst provocation in here. Don't do it.
Lastly; Yes. It is now canon that there are gay witches and wizards. HOORAH! It doesn't change the policy on slash fiction on SnitchSeeker. The rules stay as they are until further notice. Do not PM me to ask for special permission to post slash fiction, however clean it is. I am not allowed to bend the rule and neither are you. End of story. Slash fiction is still forbidden on SS until you hear otherwise in an official announcement. Don't hold your breath. Thanks.
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10-22-2007, 12:09 PM
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| Puffskein
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| Reached and Spanked 1000! The Snitch I believe that someone's sexuality is as important as that person wants it to be. It wasn't a big deal when everyone thought DD was hetro, so why the big deal now this revelation has come. It didn't have anything to do with the plot line that was being told.
I say good for Jo, for making the books a bit more representative of the world we live in (despite the magic thing). Who knows, a lot more of the cast could turn out to be gay, it's just something that wasn't as important as saving the world from an egotistical, meglamaniac hell-bent on killing of our main character.
And I think that it is a fantastic thing that someone as important to the books as DD and who is such an intelligent and fabulous person has been outed by Jo. But then, maybe she didn't mention this earlier as the bigotry in the real world is more rampant than we thought, this detail, however insignificant to the story, would dominate the publicity of the books rather than the quality writing and talent of JKR.
I think that it adds to the image of his character, but it is ashame that the only love he felt was for the guy that may have been responsible for the death of his sister. I just feel like he led a lonely life, despite being adored and admired by many people. |
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| Doxy
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Sirius Potter Fourth Year | Gryfflepuff
It isn't shocking to read that Jo perceived Dumbledore to be gay. You have to remember Dumbledore was over a 100 years old. When he was just starting out in the late 1800s he would have needed a profession where being single would not draw attention. Teaching has always been a haven for homosexual men and women as a profession. It goes back to the fact that years ago many teachers were not allowed to marry, both men and women. By requiring the teachers to be single the school was able to keep it's staff size smaller. This was especially true in the European board school setting. Dames and Masters live on campus and spend almost all their waking hours overseeing the children entrusted to their care. They had little time to pursue personal romantic relationships. This was idea for men and women who were gay and even today the profession has a large number of homosexuals in it. It doesn't mean every older single teacher is gay but many are and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. They aren't molesting kids, they are doing something they love and doing it well.
I applaud Jo for being honest when asked a direct question. I am also happy she didn't reveal it in the books. She didn't need his sexuality to be an issue but her revealing it now adds a layer of understanding as to why a brilliant man was blind to Grindelwald in the beginning. Love is blind and it effects can be the reason so many end up in relationships that contain domestic violence, or some other negative things like alcoholism and drug abuse in it. There are many famous homosexual people through out history some out of the closet and some so far in they're covered with cobwebs but they are still great people and they are still homosexuals...the point is what is the big deal.
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Ottery St. Catchpole Gryffindor Third Year | The moral is: Don't ask questions kids. Or the admins will answer them. Paris & Kellybear r luv :Read Otty 's fics:Gone With the Wind:I♥Rupert Wayfarer you're gonna have to edit your post cuz like Jan said: Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Elvis but evlpez Please ignore the urge to educate or argue. Now Jan, don't argue with me. *points to quote* Quote:
Originally Posted by Still not elvis but evlpez Slash fiction is still forbidden on SS until you hear otherwise in an official announcement. Don't hold your breath. Thanks. *Ottery turns purple and passes out but he leaves this statement* Well at least you answered my question Thank you. I didn't think the policy would change but ... it never hurt to ask. No wait ... asking a question is what started this whole mess ... And I still ship N/L ... *fires the cannons* Jan: You know what I meant, Ottery. And hey.. haven't you already posted your response to this article? I don't remember this being a chat thread.
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| Firecrab
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I actually had a thought occure to me... i don't know if any one else recalls this or not, but in HP&SS, harry is caught by DD in the class room with the mirror. Harry asks DD what he saw in the mirror and knew that the answere he gave him was not right, but instead of prodding DD he just took what he said. I am now wondering what did DD actually see in that mirror?! Was it Grindy? and if so...How long did DD sit in front of that mirror before he himself realized that he could waist away "Dwelling on dreams"?
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| Mackled Malaclaw
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Wow, that is very interesting. Nice to hear some new info.
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| DMT Jarvey
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Rilen Taylie Green Fifth Year | I have always thought that Dumbledore was gay, but I'm not really sure why. So when I saw the article I was not shocked. I have thought about it and I don't see any place in the books where she could have slipped that fact in without it sounding out of place. I thought that he was in love with Flamel, he had the sorcerers' stone and Dumbledore helps keep that a secret at a great risk. Then when she introuced Gridwald and he actually tempted Dumbledore I knew that he was the one. I am more upset by the Neville/Hannah thing more than anything else. Poor Luna. Who did Draco marry. |
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| Ramora
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"I had to give you something to talk about for the next 10 years...Just imagine the fan fiction now."
LOL
Who would have thought, huh
People are really angry out here. Taking the books out of school libraries and all =\ I don't see what the big deal is. I think it brings a nice reality to the story and wizarding world in general to know that there are wizards/witches like that.
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| Knarl
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Hogwarts RPG Name: Armand Beta-Erikson Slytherin First Year Hogwarts RPG Name: Damien Beta-Erikson Slytherin First Year | Slytherin by heart Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixFawlks I actually had a thought occure to me... i don't know if any one else recalls this or not, but in HP&SS, harry is caught by DD in the class room with the mirror. Harry asks DD what he saw in the mirror and knew that the answere he gave him was not right, but instead of prodding DD he just took what he said. I am now wondering what did DD actually see in that mirror?! Was it Grindy? and if so...How long did DD sit in front of that mirror before he himself realized that he could waist away "Dwelling on dreams"? Oh, I hadn't thought about that one. Interesting point! Now I'm wondering too. lol
This is starting to make me want to go through the books again and look for all the unanswered questions. I bet we'd have a million of them.
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| SS Featured AuthorTürk Bilgini Bugbear
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Originally Posted by Zella Oh, I hadn't thought about that one. Interesting point! Now I'm wondering too. lol
This is starting to make me want to go through the books again and look for all the unanswered questions. I bet we'd have a million of them. The book does answer that question: It tells he saw that he wasn't responsible for Ariana's death [Chapter 35, King's Cross].
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10-22-2007, 06:04 PM
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| Crup
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Remember guys, discussion is good, it's healthy, but let's not turn this into a slanging match. Agree to disagree; different strokes for different folks & all that jazz. Quote:
The thing almost everyone is forgetting, as Ottery pointed out, is that she was asked this. I really don't think Jo would lie, especially to a child asking about something relevant to the books. If she wanted to avoid the question, she could have, but she chose to come out with the truth instead. For that, I respect her even more.
I agree. My take on all this is as positive as it could get. I do not think it was relevant to the story, so I can understand why it was never mentioned explicitly in the books. I do think it was incredibly brave and courageous of her to say this, even if it was conveniently timed. Jo continues to do things that make me love her more and more.
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