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Old 08-13-2007, 07:44 PM
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Post Christopher Hitchens is Hermione's Man

British-American author and columnist wrote his own, slightly critical review of the final installment of the Harry Potter series in Sunday's New York Times.

*Warning: These following articles contain language and mature opinions. Read at your own risk.*

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The question is the same if inverted in a Manichean form: how can Voldemort and his wicked forces have such power and yet be unable to destroy a mild-mannered and rather disorganized schoolboy? In a short story this discrepancy might be handled and also swiftly resolved in favor of one outcome or another, but over the course of seven full-length books the mystery, at least for this reader, loses its ability to compel, and in this culminating episode the enterprise actually becomes tedious. Is there really no Death Eater or dementor who is able to grasp the simple advantage of surprise?
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Yes, well, one sees why he is confused. The exchange takes place during an abysmally long period during which the threesome of Harry, Hermione and Ron are flung together, with weeks of time to spend camping invisibly and only a few inexplicable escapes from death to alleviate the narrative. The grand context of Hogwarts School is removed, at least until the closing scenes, and Rowling also keeps forgetting that things are either magical or they are not: Hermione’s family surely can’t be any safer from the Dark Lord by moving to Australia, and Hagrid’s corporeal bulk cannot make any difference to his ability, or otherwise, to mount a broomstick. A boring subtext, about the wisdom or otherwise of actually uttering Voldemort’s name, meanwhile robs the apotropaic device of its force.
He also shares some opinions with writer Stephen King, but while King is J.K. Rowling's man, Hitchens is Hermione's man through and through!

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Hitchens's is the less embarrassing of the two; though it's packed with useless verbiage ("For all this apparently staunch secularism, it is ontology that ultimately slackens the tension that ought to have kept these tales vivid and alive"), it does make some nice points about the lack of religion in the Potterverse as well as some reasonable complaints about Voldemort's "boastful explanations," a writer's tic that annoys a lot of readers. He also reveals that he can't quite conceive of the innate sexiness of Ginny Weasley; Chris Hitchens is a Hermione man!
This article from New York Magazine compares and contrasts the authors' takes on Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows!
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What was all of that about?
I don't even know what I read.
The only thing that I understood was Ginny's Sexiness.
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I feel slightly obligated to disagree with Mr. Hitchens about the religious symbolism within the Harry Potter books...particularly in Deathly Hallows.

In fact, on Sunday (August 12, 2007), my family and I went to 1:00 PM Mass at our Church. Sunday's Gospel reading was Luke 12: 32-48, and a certain verse popped out at me as I read along...



Making sure I was hallucinating, I went home after Mass and looked it up in my copy of Deathly Hallows. This is what I found...

*shrug* Mr. Hitchens (as well as some extreme Christian organizations) may ignore the moral center of Harry Potter, but I won't.

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in the article he said two of the main characters aka hermione and harry didn't know what the two verses meant because both of the sayings that they read in the graveyard are in the bible. so he said that it was a clear sign that harry or hermione hadn't read the bible because they didn't recognize the bible verses.


i'm still confused about how he's supposed to be hermione's man? i don't remember anything about him liking hermione in the article.
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I agree with many statements there, still loved the books tho. What did bug me was the Ginny thing too.
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I feel slightly obligated to disagree with Mr. Hitchens about the religious symbolism within the Harry Potter books...particularly in Deathly Hallows.

In fact, on Sunday (August 12, 2007), my family and I went to 1:00 PM Mass at our Church. Sunday's Gospel reading was Luke 12: 32-48, and a certain verse popped out at me as I read along...



Making sure I was hallucinating, I went home after Mass and looked it up in my copy of Deathly Hallows. This is what I found...

*shrug* Mr. Hitchens (as well as some extreme Christian organizations) may ignore the moral center of Harry Potter, but I won't.

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Old 08-14-2007, 08:55 AM   #32 (permalink)
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wow... I would agree with him if Harry Potter was anything but Fiction... lmao.

I think he needs to look past the real life illogical-ness of it and look at it as an amazing book series that has gotten more kids reading than nearly anything... as a creation of a womans imagination. I don't think he has much Imagination.
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lol, well he's right...Hermione is so much more appealing that Ginny. Character-wise, anyway. Although, a lot of people will probably disagree with me.
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All very true, Emma. I think he is trying too hard to be critical, if that makes sense. Like you said, he needs to be able to read rather than critique every little thing. It is, as I said above, mostly written for entertainment...
I disagree; I don't think his critiquing is anything I haven't heard fans say. There's no point in having media if it doesn't encourage people to engage with it both appraisingly and critically. But it does seem people these days would rather be "entertained to death" than use their minds.

Mr. Hitchens was saying, re: religion, that Harry & Hermione didn't recognise the apparent bible versus, which they didn't. It's not something to be agreed or disagreed with - it's just a fact.

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i'm still confused about how he's supposed to be hermione's man?
Because he finds her more attractive than Ginny.

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Old 08-14-2007, 01:21 PM   #37 (permalink)
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I really disagree with this guy, i mean how closed-minded can someone be!? It fantasy it's not ment to be completely logical!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 08-14-2007, 02:15 PM   #38 (permalink)
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This was quite interesting to read. I must say that I do not agree with him either. He's not really understanding some of the key points in the series, is he?
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well i dont really agree with mr. hitchens cause its really the thing that makes HP books apart and little bit of imagination is also present according to me the book was great
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Old 08-14-2007, 04:36 PM   #40 (permalink)
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This is really confusing!

What I know is that there is a lot of good in the Harry Potter books than bad.

Exp. One of the main things that people argue is that Harry gets rewarded for breaking the rules. Yeah, he does; but he broke the rules in order to do good. You know, like "the greater good."
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Wow that's hard to read if you're not paying attention =)

Well I like DH, and I enjoyed it!!
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eh, he is just jealous because he can't think of anything good like Harry potter.


why is he doing a literary criticism of a fantasy novel meant for children and young adults?

Think of all the mature issues jo does address in those books and she does it inb a way that is not disturbing for children. She preserves their innocence while exposing them to very mature attitudes towards love, death, morality, racism, class divisions, etc.

He needs to stop looking at minute details and flaws and focus and jo's ability to create a magically wonderful word and still acheive the ultimate goal of any author: to represent humanity both how it is and what is should strive to become.
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why is he doing a literary criticism of a fantasy novel meant for children and young adults?
Does a book being made for a younger audience mean it isn't appropriate for analysis? What about Alice in Wonderland? The Chronicles of Narnia? Jungle Book? If that is the case, then I'm afraid many courses at GCSE, As & A2 and degree level are null & void then. A less mature demographic doesn't take away from its literary value.
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Well, that was kinda confussing to read, but i got it!
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I think you can only truly enjoy Harry Potter if you let your imagination skim over the parts which don't seem to quite fit, something this guy evidently finds it difficult to do!
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Umm, okay, that was a little confusing to read. Innate sexiness of Ginny Weasley?
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