"Thank you ma'am," Simon replied quietly and respectfully as the IUMO Chief commented on his answer. The YATI briefly let his eyes wander around were they stood to see his fellows from the office as well as other divisions and division heads present. He absently nodded as their head boss spoke up on the question, adding his two cents. Alright so the aurors and MLES workers seemed to be participating.

Was anyone else playing?

Finally another woman spoke up on the latest question about illegal charmable objects catching his attention. Her answer sounded alright but Simon searched his memory anyway in case it wasn't what was being looked for. And then Josh made an unnecessary comment followed by Legend finally speaking up and corrected the woman, ...the Registry of Proscribed Charmable Objects. Yeah, that was it.

That was a good guess, and definitely up the right alley, but it wasn't technically correct. Technically, which was sad, because Cade really REALLY wanted to put another division on the board. Half point? Points for flare and style?

"So close, but not exactly correct."

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Was the Head Boss talking about running away?

Well...at the case of this Josh Carter was probably the last person to do so. He did not know if it was good for being an Auror but he would still stay in the fight even though he knew he would be kicked to the next year if there was something serious to be dealt with.

He listened carefully as the head man person spoke, slightly smiling at the said SING move. Looked useful. Even though he thought the best was in close combat was the street fighting style which he did almost all his life knowing some specific moves like that could work well with him too. But when he fought, Josh was fully satisfied when he saw his enemy 'ruined' on the floor.

Whatever...

A big grin came to his face when he saw the attacking dummies, yet he was a little bit dissappointed that they did not have heads. He liked to punch a face.

As he was the physical attack type, more than attack with magic one, he pretty much enjoyed his fight with the dummies imagining that they were that Trelawney man that lurked about the KA. Oh, how much he wanted to break the man's face when he had taken Evelyn from him to the pub of idiots there.

When the fighting part over and the young man was done with putting up his anger at the dummies, he took in a few deep breath as he listened to the woman boss next. And it seemed the intense fight was over. Eeeeeeeh. He just stood there as people replied to the questions as...well...he did not think he knew any of those. Yes, maybe he had read about them but...well...eh. He just had the general idea, not the actual words in mind to answer the questions.

He folded his arms as he listened to the last question and thought over it...hard. What could the list be called?

''Umm...'Don't bewitch those or you will be in a big trouble' list?''

He sighed a bit and turned to the woman boss. ''Excuse me, i don't mean to be disrespectful. But do we really need to know 'the name' of it if we already know what we must and must not do about it?''

Cade glanced at Jaxton, wondering if he would let his employee be so... SO. So very SO. "I didn't realize that you were an expert in Magical Law. If you feel that you've surpassed our level of expertise, you are, of course, free to leave. In the meantime, appropriate identification of law-breaking, application of existing laws, and following procedure in the field mean that after you arrest someone, the Ministry is able to successfully prosecute. What good is your hard work in the field if we cannot imprison someone because you arrested them for 'don't bewitch those'?"

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Legend didn't really like this. The questions weren't exactly igniting any answers in his head. Sure he knew them, on paper, but now that he was asked out loud?

Well, the YATI felt like an idiot.

And Legend Chosen was no idiot.

"I think-" He cleared his throat. He read about this right? He should know. Maybe? "-I think that's called the registration...no-the registry of proscribed charmable objects." It sounded about right, yeah? If it wasn't then he was really just making up words in his head, but he couldn't let one YATI get everything.

Legend turned his attention Josh and snorted, the dude sorta had a point but- "You know, I think if you're trying to enforce a law and you don't know the name of the thing you are enforcing people will take you less seriously and will be less likely to listen to you." More trouble on your part yeah?

"That's correct. My goodness, the young Aurors are sweeping the competition right now." She gave the young man an appreciative nod, especially as he responded to Mr. Carter in support of her little game.

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"Thank you ma'am," Simon replied quietly and respectfully as the IUMO Chief commented on his answer. The YATI briefly let his eyes wander around were they stood to see his fellows from the office as well as other divisions and division heads present. He absently nodded as their head boss spoke up on the question, adding his two cents. Alright so the aurors and MLES workers seemed to be participating.

Was anyone else playing?

Finally another woman spoke up on the latest question about illegal charmable objects catching his attention. Her answer sounded alright but Simon searched his memory anyway in case it wasn't what was being looked for. And then Josh made an unnecessary comment followed by Legend finally speaking up and corrected the woman, ...the Registry of Proscribed Charmable Objects. Yeah, that was it.

"You're welcome. It was nice of you to let your friends play on that one," Cade sparkled at the young man briefly. Politeness! Raised right! His mother must be proud.

She added a point to the scoreboard.

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Auror Office - 4
Magical Law Enforcement Squad - 2

"For our next question: name an example of a non-tradeable material. I'll take multiple answers for this one."

Ah... wince. The Wizengamot MISSED that question. Wes didn't unfold his arms but he did shoot a good GLARE at Joshua Carter. The boy was quickly losing the respect he'd earned by fighting the dummy so well.

He'd better respect Cade and her game. He'd been warned. Bossman didn't like repeating himself.

The division head was right...the aurors seemed to be heading the game. Certainly interesting seeing as they tended to be considered the brawn of the department not the brains. Simon stayed quiet as Cade castized Josh for his remark, knowing him inwardly wanting to agree with her would erase the politeness he had already shown. Not to mention it seemed the head boss had caught the exchange. Speaking of his fairness, the woman commented on his letting the others play that time and the YATI simply nodded.

What was one question?

Onto the next, Simon figured he could answer seeing as there were several that could be given and therefore others would be allowed to answer as well. Non-tradeable items often included animals and through his father, the magizoologist, he was aware of a few of them. "Dragon eggs would be one." He had, after all been thinking of the creatures with his earlier connection to Romania.

Heather shook herself and felt like she wasn't putting in as much effort as she would've liked. She had known the answers to the questions asked but for some odd reason she had fallen silent. No, not for some odd reason. She just didn't want to repeat the already given answers and look foolish, then again she looked foolish by not answering.

The next question however, allowed for a wider range of answers, so she said softly, "Venomous tentacula seeds."

Jaxton's eyes narrowed slightly at Josh. What was he doing? Or rather - why was he doing it. He'd be having a severe word with him later, once they weren't in front of everyone else. Was he trying to show Jax up on his first, official training day as Head Auror? Hmph. Just when he was getting proud of his Aurors - one of them had to go and loose the respect of the IUMO CI. Humph.


"There's two more Class-A non-tradables, adding to the Dragon eggs that Simon stated." Jaxton piped up. "They are Chimera and Acromantula eggs." He added, nodding his head slightly. He knew that there were others, but it felt nice to take part and show Cade support.

Now there was an answer to his question by...Chosen. Yup. Legend Chosen, the fellow YATI.

Blinking a bit, Josh looked at the fellow YATI as he spoke and, to be honest, he did not really think of it that way. And when he did so, he supposed he could see the point. Or at least he hoped so. Smiling a bit, he gave Legend a nod. ''Well, now, that makes...''

''...sense.''

*mellow*

As the boss woman spoke to him, she was angry as it seemed, mouth agape Josh listened to her. Then once she was finished with her words, the young man opened and closed his mouth repeatedly, like a fish, not knowing what to say.

Merlin's socks!

''I...'' he took a breath but did not complete his sentence. What was he supposed to say now? ''I...i am not an expert in Magical Law.'' now that was right but it did not explain his point so he saw he needed to collect himsefl quickly and say something. ''I am sorry. I think you misunderstood me. I said i did not mean to be disrespectful. I just asked because i did not understand.''

Yes, that was it, right? ''Thank you for the explanation, though.''

And like a little kid that had been scolded for something bad he had done, he looked down and took a few steps back away from the woman's eyesight. Eh.

When a few seconds passed after the question crisis, Josh dared to look up again...only to see two bosses glare at him. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh. It seemed his question brought more trouble to him than information. Again not knowing what to do, he looked down back.

What he was supposed to do when he did not understand something then? What else could he do if he could not ask? Merlin! Maybe Professor Lafay had been wrong when she had said following the Auror career would be good for him.

Maybe he could instead focus on the next question. He did not look at anything in particular while speaking though. ''Maybe a possible Basilisk egg, like one that had been looked after by a toad, too because it is dangerous. Or...rare unicorn parts because it endangers them. Or...human parts.''

Now...no one would yell at him for giving a wrong answer, right?

"Good examples, all of you," Cade nodded, adding points to the scoreboard for each correct answer. "Non-tradeable objects are typically dangerous and/or valuable objects that are strictly prohibited from free trade or purchase. These are definitely items that you'll spot in the course of other investigations, and you'll need to know exactly what you're seeing and who to contact."

"There are also objects classed as Tradeable, which are similarly valuable and considered dangerous, but we permit free trade of these. There are, of course, times in which non-tradeables can be owned by a witch or wizard. Educators, Ministry-approved researchers, and others with valid professional interest can obtain special licenses to own these objects."

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As the boss woman spoke to him, she was angry as it seemed, mouth agape Josh listened to her. Then once she was finished with her words, the young man opened and closed his mouth repeatedly, like a fish, not knowing what to say.

Merlin's socks!

''I...'' he took a breath but did not complete his sentence. What was he supposed to say now? ''I...i am not an expert in Magical Law.'' now that was right but it did not explain his point so he saw he needed to collect himsefl quickly and say something. ''I am sorry. I think you misunderstood me. I said i did not mean to be disrespectful. I just asked because i did not understand.''

Yes, that was it, right? ''Thank you for the explanation, though.''

And like a little kid that had been scolded for something bad he had done, he looked down and took a few steps back away from the woman's eyesight. Eh.

When a few seconds passed after the question crisis, Josh dared to look up again...only to see two bosses glare at him. Eeeeeeeeeeeeeeh. It seemed his question brought more trouble to him than information. Again not knowing what to do, he looked down back.

What he was supposed to do when he did not understand something then? What else could he do if he could not ask? Merlin! Maybe Professor Lafay had been wrong when she had said following the Auror career would be good for him.

Maybe he could instead focus on the next question. He did not look at anything in particular while speaking though. ''Maybe a possible Basilisk egg, like one that had been looked after by a toad, too because it is dangerous. Or...rare unicorn parts because it endangers them. Or...human parts.''

Now...no one would yell at him for giving a wrong answer, right?

"Saying you don't intend offense doesn't remove the sting. I consider this matter closed, so let's just move along, please. I'll give you a point for your answer, but there were a lot of verbal question marks in there. I suggest you brush up on this list."

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Auror Office - 8
Magical Law Enforcement Squad - 2
Wizengamot - 1

"We take a great deal of interest in keeping ourselves separate from the Muggle world, whether by keeping them ignorant of our community or by protecting them from magic. Who can name a law or regulation in place designed to protect Muggles - or to protect us from Muggles? There are several I can think of."


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The was a determined look on Roxanne's face now as she had already missed one question and had, admittedly, not known the answers to the others. This was honestly embarrassing. She was supposed to know this stuff! But this one... she was almost certain she knew. "The Statue of Secretcy." Yep, she was pretty sure that was it...

Sky felt pretty good she had at least gotten points for MLES, but the auror office was the leaders. Designed to protect Muggles or to protect us from Muggles. She said "The Muggle Protection Act protects muggles from harmful magical artifacts." She knew there was more but honestly her mind was going blank at the moment.

Simon nodded as Cade accepted their answers, explaining each one further as well as the differences between non-tradable and tradable seeing as the line was sometimes very small. There were exceptions as well and the former Gryffindor made a mental note of that before noticing a comment made by his friend. Josh had clearly bothered the woman which should have been expected. His fellow YATI tended to speak without necessarily thinking. Shaking his head ever so slightly, Simon switched over to the next question posed before them.

"Theres the Decree for the Reasonable Restriction of Underage Sorcery," he supplied after listening to the others give their own answers. It certainly made sense to be a way of protecting muggles seeing as its the young wizards who are more likely to accidentally, or even on purpose, show magic before Muggles.

"Definitely," Cade smiled at the woman. She was a good sport to pipe back up after the little junior Aurors had sort of swept the contest so far. "The Statute of Secrecy prevents the Muggles from knowing we're here by hiding our magic and our creatures."

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Sky felt pretty good she had at least gotten points for MLES, but the auror office was the leaders. Designed to protect Muggles or to protect us from Muggles. She said "The Muggle Protection Act protects muggles from harmful magical artifacts." She knew there was more but honestly her mind was going blank at the moment.

"Good one. The Muggle Protection Act is comparatively new legislation, but it's designed to prevent charmed artifacts from ending up in the hands of an innocent Muggle. All too often, an object ends up where we don't intend it - a lost umbrella, a book left in a cafe, heirlooms sold in an estate sale. Imagine the harm if those were charmed in some way."

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Simon nodded as Cade accepted their answers, explaining each one further as well as the differences between non-tradable and tradable seeing as the line was sometimes very small. There were exceptions as well and the former Gryffindor made a mental note of that before noticing a comment made by his friend. Josh had clearly bothered the woman which should have been expected. His fellow YATI tended to speak without necessarily thinking. Shaking his head ever so slightly, Simon switched over to the next question posed before them.

"Theres the Decree for the Reasonable Restriction of Underage Sorcery," he supplied after listening to the others give their own answers. It certainly made sense to be a way of protecting muggles seeing as its the young wizards who are more likely to accidentally, or even on purpose, show magic before Muggles.

"Exactly," Cade nodded again. "Magic in children is unpredictable and occasionally explosive, even when it is entirely planned. Restrictions on underage magic limit learning and experimentation to controlled environments."

She added points to the scoreboard with her wand.

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Auror Office - 9
Magical Law Enforcement Squad - 3
Wizengamot - 2

"I think that's enough review for now, so let's go into our extra credit round. When I was an Unregistered Animagus Investigator, I spent a lot of time looking for lawbreakers... right from my desk. Muggles aren't as ignorant or blind as we like to think, even if we're doing our best to hide and confund and obliviate." Cade pulled a folded piece of paper from her pocket, and with a tap of her wand, it expanded into the front page of a lurid Muggle tabloid.

"ELVIS LIVES!!" blared across the top of the page, and there was a picture of a real live alien baby in the bottom corner. "Believe it or not, we can find all sorts of examples of Wizarding laws being broken by reading Muggle newspapers - including ones they discount themselves. I'm going to show you a number of Muggle headlines. Pick out one of them and tell me which law you see being broken, or why a law isn't broken if you think I'm trying to fool you. I'll give a bonus points for really good explanations."

She turned the tabloid cover over to show a series of large print headlines:

Toddler Survives Two-Story Fall
Horse Can Do Math, Surrey Woman Claims
BIGFOOT SIGHTING!
Two Headed Chicken Hatches in Brazil
Surprise Meteorite Shower Has Astronomers Puzzled
Kent Man Wins Lottery for Fifth Time
Tails Wag Dog: Two-Tailed Mutt an Enigma
Man Wearing Only Poncho Eludes Police


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Heather stared at the titles and shook her head in shame. Muggles really needed more creative titles. However, she shouldn't be criticizing the the muggles on their lack of creativity but she should be mad that wizards were actually causing such raucous that made headlines.

"Well, the headline about the Bigfoot sighting might not break any wizarding laws," Heather said shifting slightly. "Muggles have been pointing out Bigfoot sightings since the early 1800's. Even Muggles have to have myths to believe in and this could be one of them. They could also be seeing other animals and labeling it as Bigfoot because they aren't really getting a close enough look." Then again she could be wrong but it was worth the risk. However, she could also see the argument against her statement.

Extra credit round....interesting.

The YATI listened as they were told how some Muggles dealt with experiencing things that were unusual to them but not so unusual to the members of the wizarding world. It was a newspaper that seemed to be filled with stories of such experiences looking much like the Quibbler. When the enlargened tabloid was turned over, Simon read over the various stories to see what thet had to work with.

"The two tailed dog....most likely a crup," he started to say, picking one of the headlines that they could choose from, the topic catching his attention. "The appearance of two tails within Muggle sight means that not only has the crup owner broken the law by not removing the extra tail when it was young but does not have complete control of the creature in muggle areas which is a condition of the licensing agreement to own on."
His father had rescued a crup from one such owner many years ago, the animal having been brought to his attention by a neighbor after it had escaped his owner way too many times. , The Bennett family then having cared for it when he was a small boy AFTER the tail had been properly removed.

Roxanne couldn't help but roll her eyes good naturedly at that ELVIS LIVES! article. Even after all these years, those rumors still persisted. And still no concrete proof. Anyway. On to the question at hand. "I don't believe there are any of our laws being broken in the headline about man in the poncho escaping the police. After all, the man in question could very well be a muggle. And even if he was a wizard, there's no evidence of him having used magic, otherwise that would've been their headline." He was however breaking SEVERAL muggle laws, obviously. She had to shake her head. Whatever could've possed him to escape the police?! He was only making things worse for himself...

Extra credit round? Should be interesting...
Wow people were still thinking that Elvis was alive were muggles just bonkers! She glanced over each of the titles they did not have very good titles but all of them did pop out saying read me basically. Well for the two headed chicken that hatched in Brazil that could either be braking one of our laws or it could be just a mutation of the chicken. Something could have happened in the DNA coding or one of our laws could have been broken- maybe experimental breeding. But Sky was more leaning towards the mutation in the chicken.

The question crisis was closed. Okay. Josh was glad it was closed too and he nodded a bit when the woman told him to review and brush up his list of non-tradable items. He supposed he was going to do some research and maybe learn one or two more laws about the case.

He folded his arms again, and listened to the answers to the next question silently as he could not think of any answer. Well...he had his own ideas but...he just preferred to remain silent for the moment.

When he heard the woman boss mention extra credit round, though, Josh focused all his attention on her. Maybe he could do something now. First he listened carefully, then stared at the headlines for a moment or so. Haha. They all seemed to be fun.

''The horse that can do math.'' he said then ''That must be an animagus. I have no idea why an animagus witch or wizard would do that, maybe he or she is just having fun by teasing muggles that way or, it can be anything, if i were an animagus and wanted to be rich; i could talk to a muggle friend of mine and make plans of passing me as a super animal so we can earn lots of money this way. And this, surely, would be a breach of wizarding secrecy.''

"You'll remember that we talked about a country's responsibility to hide its magical creatures from Muggles, right?" Cade really appreciated those who were willing to answer her questions, and the thought that was put into this answer. "Muggles have seen the Loch Ness monster and the Yeti, but we still expect Scotland and Tibet to try to hide them."

"BUT... Muggles see Bigfoot in grizzly bears and ugly trees. This definitely could be one of those mis-sightings."

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Extra credit round....interesting.

The YATI listened as they were told how some Muggles dealt with experiencing things that were unusual to them but not so unusual to the members of the wizarding world. It was a newspaper that seemed to be filled with stories of such experiences looking much like the Quibbler. When the enlargened tabloid was turned over, Simon read over the various stories to see what thet had to work with.

"The two tailed dog....most likely a crup," he started to say, picking one of the headlines that they could choose from, the topic catching his attention. "The appearance of two tails within Muggle sight means that not only has the crup owner broken the law by not removing the extra tail when it was young but does not have complete control of the creature in muggle areas which is a condition of the licensing agreement to own on."
His father had rescued a crup from one such owner many years ago, the animal having been brought to his attention by a neighbor after it had escaped his owner way too many times. , The Bennett family then having cared for it when he was a small boy AFTER the tail had been properly removed.

"Another example of someone not hiding their magical creature. Crups are a major point of contention and need careful regulation because those two tails draw such attention to their oddity." Cade gave him a nod. Removing that second tail was heart-breaking, but it was preferable to letting the poor thing get caught by a Muggle.

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Roxanne couldn't help but roll her eyes good naturedly at that ELVIS LIVES! article. Even after all these years, those rumors still persisted. And still no concrete proof. Anyway. On to the question at hand. "I don't believe there are any of our laws being broken in the headline about man in the poncho escaping the police. After all, the man in question could very well be a muggle. And even if he was a wizard, there's no evidence of him having used magic, otherwise that would've been their headline." He was however breaking SEVERAL muggle laws, obviously. She had to shake her head. Whatever could've possed him to escape the police?! He was only making things worse for himself...

"You might be right. It would be very hard for us to prosecute, or even find, this man. I'm reminded of the part of the Statute of Secrecy that says that when we are out in Muggle company, witches and wizards must dress to blend. This man certainly isn't blending, is he?" Still, Muggles were occasionally just crazy and not actually wizards misbehaving, as Roxanne pointed out.

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Extra credit round? Should be interesting...
Wow people were still thinking that Elvis was alive were muggles just bonkers! She glanced over each of the titles they did not have very good titles but all of them did pop out saying read me basically. Well for the two headed chicken that hatched in Brazil that could either be braking one of our laws or it could be just a mutation of the chicken. Something could have happened in the DNA coding or one of our laws could have been broken- maybe experimental breeding. But Sky was more leaning towards the mutation in the chicken.

"It could be either of those, true," Cade nodded. "It would be worth researching if one came across this type of article in the paper, if only because there is a possibility of experimental breeding. But even more telling..." And Cade gave the woman a smile, since it was sort of a tricky question. "If the chicken hatched in Brazil, it is out of our jurisdiction. Thank goodness."

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The question crisis was closed. Okay. Josh was glad it was closed too and he nodded a bit when the woman told him to review and brush up his list of non-tradable items. He supposed he was going to do some research and maybe learn one or two more laws about the case.

He folded his arms again, and listened to the answers to the next question silently as he could not think of any answer. Well...he had his own ideas but...he just preferred to remain silent for the moment.

When he heard the woman boss mention extra credit round, though, Josh focused all his attention on her. Maybe he could do something now. First he listened carefully, then stared at the headlines for a moment or so. Haha. They all seemed to be fun.

''The horse that can do math.'' he said then ''That must be an animagus. I have no idea why an animagus witch or wizard would do that, maybe he or she is just having fun by teasing muggles that way or, it can be anything, if i were an animagus and wanted to be rich; i could talk to a muggle friend of mine and make plans of passing me as a super animal so we can earn lots of money this way. And this, surely, would be a breach of wizarding secrecy.''

"Exactly so, and this is one that I researched myself back when I was working in the Animagus office. It is the responsibility of registered Animagii to behave as an actual animal would, and unregistered Animagii face stiff penalties."

She updated her points chart, giving each person who responded their points. Excellent... there was some real competition there at the end.

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Auror Office - 11
Magical Law Enforcement Squad - 4
Wizengamot - 4

"Congratulations to the Auror Office for their win, although I recommend that Jaxton take these young men out for lunch as it was their persistence that won the day. Lunch is on me, of course." And they would probably prefer not to have her there messing up their male bonding.

"That's all I have today, but I encourage you to read up on the laws and to consider the unique ways you can find wrongdoers - maybe Muggle newspapers, maybe by developing contacts in the Wizarding community... the sky is the limit."

She stepped back and gestured to Dorian. "Mr. Tamerlane is going to lead our next subject. I really appreciate your participation today."

It was rather interesting how department-wide training had evolved into yet another competition between the Aurors and MLES for dominance. Of course, Dorian had noticed that, of the divisions on his side of the office, only the Wizengamot had even participated in Caedwyn's little trivia competition. Not even her IUMO people had spoken up, but oddly it wasn't surprising. There seemed to be quite a few more employees from MLES and the Aurors in attendance, after all, but that didn't mean he was going to back down. He wasn't the type, even if most people likely didn't really know that about him except for those he'd worked with on the cult takedown. Being CMEC didn't mean he didn't know the other responsibilities of the department. He did wonder if Aron was going to speak up again at this point, though. It didn't matter.

Either way, they were all going to learn about all aspects of the DMLE. That was the point of all these exercises, and he nodded as Cade finished up her segment and provided the lead-up for his. "Thank you, Ms. Howard," he replied. At least he wasn't going to have to introduce himself. "Let's get right into things, again, why don't we?," he continued, barely cracking a smile. "Counterfeit magical objects. We deal with them every day, in one way or another. As part of our department, but the question would stand. How exactly would one actually identify such an object, especially before we have the result to make things obvious? It isn't quite as easy as you would think." He was honestly figuring the MLEers would be more apt to think of the actual counterfeit spells, as he knew the backlash that could happen with that himself, but they needed to focus on other aspects right now. "Who wants to suggest what could be considered a counterfeit magical object?" Start off with a question, and that keeps them thinking.

Perking up slightly, Roxanne listened little more carefully as they moved on. She felt the careful listening would be required, seeing as she had already completely embarrassed herself on the topic of wizarding law. And that question certainly had her thinking. What was even considered a counterfeit magical object, anyway? Obviously, it wouldn't be as easy to pick out as a counterfeit muggle object. Heh. "Maybe a purposely mischarmed portkey sold an a back alley somewhere?"she suggested, biting her lip. It sounded correct to her, but one never knew...

Emily WAS paying attention, she was NOT being lazy.. no no. Right now though, she preferred observing her peers - particularly the YATI's - participate in the training ... activities?.. They weren't really ACTIVE.. it was more like, quizzing. Either way, maybe it was about time she spoke up, or something. Just to show that yes she was there, alive, breathing, paying attention etc etc.
"Cursed sneakoscopes," she offered.
Cause you know... curses were BAD. Tsk tsk.

Heather was glad that she was right in thinking that her answer could have been taken two ways and that it was eve plausible this had been an unreal sighting. Perking up she listened closely as they moved on. Counterfeit magical objects... "Objects that claim to protect you from the Dark Arts? Amulets and other items of that nature with 'protection' charms."

Once the YATI had settled down, they'd ended up actually winning Cade's competition, and for that, Wes was proud. Her headlines had been a hit and overall, training was moving right along on schedule. He gave a smile to the IUMO Chief and then tucked his hands into his pockets, focusing on Dorian.

"Would a fake horcrux be considered a counterfeit magical object?" he piped up. Horcruxes had always fascinated him. Even though he'd never encountered one, he sure had studied them as part of his history courses at university.

Given the general speed that people had taken to get involved in the IUMO portion of the training, Dorian had quickly wondered if he was going to have to quickly conjure counterfeit items to throw at everyone. At least, that could instigate action, seeing as he knew Aron, at least, knew exactly how troublesome the objects they dealt with could be when one was unprepared for dealing with them. It wasn't exactly Wes's headless attack dummies, but then that wasn't what he was supposed to be teaching them anyhow. Not all of MLE was entirely action. However, before he could get too focused on how he was going to get the employees to participate, at least a few had piped up with suggestions.

First up had been Ms. Carter, and Dorian nodded at the hesitant guess. It must have been awkward, after her obvious discomfort with Cade's law quiz, speaking up again. Even if he thought she'd managed to make up for it rather well. "Exactly, Ms. Carter. That also hits on another aspect of CMEC. Counterfeit objects are all created for a purpose, although we do occasionally help out with accidental cases as well. Those aren't counterfeit objects, though," he explained.

Dorian's attention shifted as Miss Browne had finally spoken up, and he sent a nod her way. He was tempted to comment on her silence from earlier, but he decided not to. There was no need to start anything up that could distract the purpose of the training. Plus, he knew the newly promoted Auror wasn't exactly lazy. "To an extent, yes. We deal with Dark detectors often, but curses aren't exactly counterfeit. A sneakoscope that hasn't been approved by us, for any reason, would qualify," he replied. Honestly, cursed objects would likely fall under IUMO, but it had at least been a good guess.

"Again, yes. To an extent, Ms. Malfoy," he continued, turning to the blonde Wizengamot worker with another nod. She'd made another good point, even if it wasn't necessarily always the case. "The keyword in what you mentioned is 'claim'. Occasionally, one could come across a protection charm that is actually set up to do its job, after all. However, they still fall under the umbrella of CMEC, since for the most case the people selling protection amulets are just playing on the public's fears and their willingness to do anything to stay safe in dark times. The amulets are not actually protection of any kind, although often benignly. They won't hurt the buyer, they just won't save them," he said. They weren't like the cursed objects Emily had mentioned, that were meant to hurt or kill the holder.

Even as he'd been speaking, Dorian had known Wes had turned his attention to himself. The focus hadn't altered his stride in any way, but he had been aware of it. He had been aware of any attention on himself the entire time, honestly, even when his own had been on the previous training segments. It wasn't exactly in his nature to not be aware, not after everything else that had happened to himself. He had relaxed a lot in the past year or so, but he wasn't even close to how he had been when he was younger. When he'd known Wes before, but they couldn't afford to be too relaxed in their line of work anyway.

He'd given the department head a vaguely amused look as he'd piped up with another answer to the question, in any case. There was definitely something behind that response, but for the sake of keeping things going, he followed the look with another nod. "Not one we encounter often, but yes. A fake horcrux would be a counterfeit magical object," he replied. One that he would much rather come across than a real horcrux, but once again, the real objects weren't the matter under discussion. "In any case," he continued, returning his attention to the group as a whole, "Now that we have at least somewhat more of an idea what a counterfeit object may or may not be, does anyone want to suggest how we would actually learn that an object is in fact counterfeit?" There were quite a few possibilities after all.

Roxanne let out an almost silent sigh and shook her head almost imperceptiblely at the use of her surname. Honestly, she hated being called 'Ms. Carter'. It always made her think that the person speaking meant her mother. But she let it slide this time, seeing as they were in the middle of training and that discussion was more suited to another time. Anyway, back to the question. It seemed that she had been partly correct, which was better than being completely wrong. So, that was good. But her eyebrows raised when Wes had brought up horcruxes. What on Earth was that about? Did people still make those even these days, fake or no?

Trying to put the thought out of her mind (for now, at least), Roxanne focused on the question at hand. How counterfeit objects were detected. Well, that was obvious, wasn't it? "A diagnostic test or charm."