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Originally Posted by fire_faerie  Rachel kept quiet for a bit and listened to the other's answers, all the while thinking of more Dark wizards who were motivated by either fear or power. Well, fear was really easy... "Sir, I think that all the Death Eaters, with no exceptions, were motivated by fear," the sixth year stated, quite confident. The Malfoy's, even with their position in the wizarding world, had been reduced to a quivering mass of fear by Voldemort - which is not to say that Malfoy Senior didn't WANT power... He wanted it in the beginning, but judging from the books she'd red, all he probably cared about in the end was making it out alive.
"Salazar Slytherin, I believe, was motivated purely by power," Rachel said, her mind drifting away from Malfoy and towards his House founder. She couldn't really imagine anything he had been afraid of... HAD he been scared? "Right?" "The Deatheaters by fear and Slytherin by power." Ethan repeated and made a few adjustments to the list. Quote:
Originally Posted by DanialRadFAN01 Chris raised his hand when Professor Truebridge had the list of Dark Wizards and their reasons placed up on the board to add a reason to one of the wizards without one. "Professor, I think that the Gaunt Family used Dark Magic on others because of their arrogance. Didn't they constantly talk about their relationship to Slytherin? Perhaps they used Dark maic because other withches and wizards didn't treat them the way that they believed decendents of Salazar Slytherin should be treated." "We are talking about Fear and Power as motivators, please pay attention." Truebridge raised one eyebrow at the Gryffindor prefect when he'd finished speaking. It wasn't that he was wrong it was just that he clearly hadn't been paying attention. Quote:
Originally Posted by Orchideae Dominic listened as Professor Truebridge answered to his suggestion on fight or flight. Noticing the Professor's expression seem to shift to a more closed one, the seventh year frowned as he watched the History professor, hoping everything was alright. Because if that largeee, annoying man were to be giving Truebridge trouble, then he'd have another thing coming.
Oh... what? Back to talking about dark wizards and the difference as to which were motivated by fear or power. His classmates had already touched on some of the more well-known dark wizards and so Dominic just listened for a bit longer, as Rachel and Chris both spoke on other dark wizards.
Raising his hand, Dominic chewed his lower lip thoughtfully for another moment before speaking. "I think that one could argue that most of the death eaters, if not all, could actually be categorized as being motivated by fear. That is fear of the Dark Lord, of Voldemort himself. All of them, with the exception of Bellatrix, who would also have some power motivational factor. Because Bellatrix wanted to be the best... Voldemort's 'top performer', if you will. The others, just didn't want to die and so they were motivated to perform the dark arts because of fear of their master..." Dominic sighed, falling silent at those words. "So Bellatrix Lestrange was motivated by both? Very well." Ethan added that to the list. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mrs. Weasley I think Regulus Black was motivated to become a dark wizard by love, tradition, and family loyalty. The Black family have followed Salazar Slytherin's opinion on pureblood wizards for generations. Orion Black, Sirius and Regulus's father, hated muggle with a passion too. He fortified his house, Number 12 Grimald Place so no muggle would know it even existed. Tradition said Orion and Walburga's sons would follow the family's way. That meant be students in Slytherin house, believe pureblood wizards are superior to all other wizards, and to hate muggles. Sirius rebelled against his family. To quote Kreacher, "Sirius broke his mother's heart." This left Regulus to do the right thing. Regulus loved his family, so he did what his parent's expected of him. He became a deatheater."
"It's ironic to me that love is also what caused Regulus's downfall. Voldemort needed someone to check out his security measure at the cave he hid his locket horcrux. Regulus loaned him Kreacher. Voldemort didn't love anyone, so he decided to sacrifice Kreacher to make sure his security measures worked. He didn't count on Kreacher being able to aparate from the cave. Kreacher returned to Regulus and told him what Voldemort had done. Regulus betrayed Voldemort, stole his locket horcrux, and gave it to Kreacher for safekeeping. Instead of aparating to safety with his house elf, Regulus remained in the cave and died at the hands of the Inferi. Regulus chose death rather than betray his family and their traditions. Better a dead deatheater than a live traitor." "That's all very well and good, Abby but just like Chris, the motivators that we are supposed to be talking about are fear and power." Ethan moved on, expressionless. Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverTiger Adrienne raised her hand again as the discussion of the motivations continued, wanting to make another point. Almost involuntarily needing to, actually. "While everyone has a good point in saying that the Death Eaters all were somewhat motivated by fear of Voldemort, I actually think more than just Bellatrix was also motivated by power. The Lestranges, namely Bellatrix's husband and his brother, also seemed to find a bit of power among the structure of the Death Eaters as a group, and that had to motivate them to keep their position. Power is addicting, so why would they only be motivated by their fear of Voldemort turning on them? He actually seemed to have some sort of respect for them, if you think about it. And Dolohov. Wasn't there something about how Voldemort had to make a point to the Death Eaters who were around when he regained power when Harry Potter was fourteen? That he thought the Death Eaters who had ended up in Azkaban were more loyal to him than all the rest? That gave them a kind of power, and there's no way they can't have been motivated by that." She didn't know if it made sense, or if Professor Truebridge even would think it was valid, but she had to say it. "The Lestranges, and Dolohov by power and fear." Ethan added that to the list. Quote:
Originally Posted by Anna Banana "Oh," LouAnn half-whispered, sinking down in her seat just a little. Why'd she always have to get so distracted? It caused her to miss key points in lesson, such as the one she'd just so obviously not picked up on. "Sorry, sir. How about, erm...Barty Crouch, Jr.?" she questioned, her hand raised. "I've read that he was very intelligent and often acted as if he just knew how smart he was, maybe even thinking he was better than others. His father even said he got twelve OWLs!"
She cleared her throat and lowered her hand, a thoughtful expression on her face. "So, he impersonated "Mad-Eye" Moody once, too, right? My line of thinking if that he knew and understood how very intelligent he was, and he knew he could outsmart a lot of other people. I think arrogance was a lot of the reasoning behind why he acted the way he did. He thought he was better than others and knew he could get away with things they might not have even seen coming." "Power. And. Fear." Ethan repeated loudly, though his voice remained a monotone. Quote:
Originally Posted by Esme "I believe that a lot of Deatheaters were motivated by fear and power at the same time. But I don't think that it was just fear of Voldemort. Think about it, if you were part of a family that always supported the Dark Lord than wouldn't you be afraid that they would disown you or kill you if you didn't join him too? Then after that people may be too scared to turn from Voldemort from fear of what the 'light side' may have forced them to do, from fear that in the end their defection from Voldemort would end with them spilling their guts for the light side before being shipped off to Azkaban as a traitor to both sides." Reid theorized, hoping that what he was saying was making some sense. He hadn't been recently but he was trying to start again, or if not start again than to ACT like he was going to be okay.
"That being said I believe that people like Morgan Le Fay were motivated by power, and the power that they were told they wouldn't be able to achieve. So then it could be said that some of them were simply motivated to prove others opinions of them false. Then I think there are wizards that started out with good intentions, were motivated to do what they did for the good of others, but who ended up corrupted by the power they were able to accumulate. After all power can corrupt anyone no matter how strong their spirit or just their intentions may be." he ended with a slight shrug. "Excellent point. Not just fear of Voldemort, there are many different kinds of fair if you look closer. And Morgan Le Fay for Power." Truebridge added to the list. Quote:
Originally Posted by Ameh
Hmmm.
Raiden stared at the list on the board for a moment before he moved his eyes to the parchment in front of him. He drew three columns down it quietly, eyes shifting from the board, to the parchment, then back again as he started to sort them by what he believed.
Well.
"Sir... Uhmm. Well." He started mumbling, his voice going down to barely audible. "There's quite a lot of them." He stared at his parchment again. There were quite a few listed in the 'unsure' category, but... well he wasn't sure. "I don't think many were motivated purely by power, at the very least..."
It would be easier if Professor Truebridge just... took the list. Yes. Because he would know where all the people in the 'unsure' category belonged.
"I think more of them were motivated by a mixture of the two than by purely one or the other. Because there's conflicting, er, viewpoints on the things that they did." Truebridge listened carefully and took the list from Raiden.
"I'll just add these to the list, then shall I? Did you want to elaborate on some of your reasoning behind these?" Quote:
Originally Posted by Harmonizer Samson listened as he lounged lazily on the bean bag, his arms splayed on either side of him and his legs spread slightly. But even as he was positioned that way, it didn't mean he wasn't paying close attention to the discussion. In fact, he was just fueling up his brain juices to give a good answer. Though, it wasn't often that he could convince himself. Oh well. He could always try.
"I think Bellatrix Lestrange was motivated by both fear and power, that is to say, fear as one of her motivations to gain some kind of power. She feared Voldemort and would do anything to gain his approval, and she knew that if she somehow became Voldemort's 'favorite' - whatever it took, mind you - she'd have more power over the other Death Eaters. On a side note, the Death Eaters were also motivated by fear and power, because they feared Voldemort - not a noble fear, but fear as in being afraid of him - plus, being a Death Eater would immediately instill fear in everyone who knew, therefore giving them a feeling of being dominant and powerful.
"Another example would be Regulus Black who, I think, was fueled more by power? His family after all was a big impact in his life, and being constant and loyal followers of Lord Voldemort in the first place, it would be natural for him to follow in their footsteps. Of course, in the end, he had a change of heart. I always did admire him for being the sort of undercover mysterious kind of person, and how he proved Lord Voldemort could easily be fooled with the right actions." Ethan nodded along at the 'both' comments.
"Ah. Power for Regulus Black. I think that is some good reasoning." Truebridge nodded. Quote:
Originally Posted by Celandine Distracted from her earlier discomfort, Celandine raised her hand thoughtfully.
"Professor, I think we can afford to make some generalisations based on what we know from the history books. Like any Wizards that are associated with Horcruxes, like Herpo the Foul and Lord Voldemort, are motivated by both fear and power; fear of death and power over it.
Likewise, I think we can safely say that the majority of dark wizards that were at one time or another the owner of the Elder Wand, are motivated by power more than fear. That would be Emeric The Evil, Loxias and the Goldelots.
Gellert Grindelwald is an exception because history tells us that he fled England, unable to face the guilt for his part in the death of Ariana Dumbledore. Guilt is sometimes a kind of fear I think. So Grindelwald was motivated by both."
Cela explained her views on a few of the wizards on the list, deciding not to go into detail on all of them. "I like to hear generalisations justified." Truebridge nodded in appreciation and added the suggested answers to the list. Quote: Lord Voldemort (Tom Riddle) Power and Fear
Deatheaters:
Bellatrix Black/Lestrange and her husband Fear and Power
Peter Pettrigrew Fear
Alecto and Amycus Carrow Fear
Regulus Black Power
Fenrir GreybackPower and Fear
Antonin Dolohov Fear and Power
Crabbe/ his son Vincent Fear
Goyle/ his son Gregory Fear
Yaxley Fear
Barty Crouch Jr Power Fear
Bartemius Crouch Sr Fear
Lucius Malfoy Fear and Power
The Gaunt Family
Hereward Godelot and his father Power
Gellert Grindelwald Power and Fear
Lord Voldemortist (Thomas Duskirk) Power and Fear
Morgan le Fay Power
Herpo the FoulPower
Emeric The Evil Power
Durmstrang students and professors Power
Merwyn the Malicious
Salazar Slytherin Power
Loxias Power
"Any thoughts on the Gaunt Family? On Merwyn the Malicious? Any up there that you don't agree with? We're almost done here and most of you are doing well. At least... those of you that are paying attention." Ethan shook his head once and tapped the chalk against the board.
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