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Originally Posted by Jessica  Oh good, opponent! Shumeeta went up to the podium again to face Torin. "As far as yer first comeback is concerned, it doesn't stand because while one may call house elves 'servants' to satisfy one's own self, it won't be true because house elves are not paid. They are considered more like slaves than servants, because any 'hired maid or butler' would not only demand a fee, but also refuse to work if not paid. House elves don't have that choice, they're not paid an' they've been made to think it's wrong to ask for payment for what they do."
Loyalty what? "Even the most loyal animals, when mistreated, leave their masters an' mistresses," Shumeeta said. "An' house elves are an entire race with intelligence! Isn't it strange that when they're mistreated, instead of leavin' the people they're workin' for, they just maintain silence?"
"The thing is, your last point isn't valid because loyalty really isn't an excuse for continuation of abuse. Abuse, even if it isn't acknowledged, remains abuse. It's not right, it's not nice and people who can do something about it MUST take the initiative to eliminate it. That's why I call for change!" "You argue that they are slaves 'cause they don't get wages..They don't want wages. They are happy working like that. In fact, if you offered to give a House Elf money in almost all cases they would feel insulted." Slaves are slaves 'cause they feel injustice and a lack of respect. This is not the case with House Elves. The slavery card wasn't holding with him.
"You say abuse and I don't agree with that. I'd agree that there is no loyalty if that was the case, but it isn't. These Elves are given good homes and are in most cases treated with great respect. Yes, you can treat your servants with respect. And House Elves are servants." |