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Con_Stripes · 03-07-2009, 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by aussiegirl

Kayla raised her hand once more, "In Beedle's stories his witches are more active in seeking their fortunes than the muggle fairy-tale heroines. The three witches in the Fountain of Fair Fortune and Babbitty Rabbitty are witches who take fate into their own hands, rather than taking a hundred year nap like Sleeping Beauty or waiting for someone to return her glass slipper like Cinderella."

"How much do you think the stronger portrayal of females in Wizarding stories relates to their ability to do magic? Would muggle females in wizarding stories such as beedles tales, still be portrayed as smart, strong and capable individuals?" Ethan posed the question after listening to Kayla, but gestured that the entire class was welcome to speculate.

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Originally Posted by Ameh

Raiden's hand went up again. "Uhm, in Beedle's tales... the ladies in them are much more active in seeking their own happiness. In lots of Muggle stories, the poor women are made to just sit around and wait for happiness to happen to them, but in Beedle's tales, they get to pursue their happiness." He thought for a moment before continuing. "And in Beedle's stories, magic is shown to cause as much trouble as it can cure. They're faerie tales, but they're not true to the Muggle faerie tales in that not everything can be solved by a spell or a magic rock. Sometimes the problem has to be overcome a different way."

"We can't always count on magic to make our problems go away, can we?"

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Originally Posted by Celandine

Cela raised her gloved hand, "Well, wizarding tales and muggle tales both deal with magic. But with wizarding tales the focus is on learning that magic causes as much trouble as what it can cure, while muggle tales sorta look at magic as a quick fix with little to no understanding of what its limits and consequences are." Hmmmm what else?

"In muggle stories, usually the magic users are portrayed as bad or evil and are the cause of the woes and hardships that the main good characters have to face. In wizarding stories the main characters, the good ones, they can use magic too. Also wizarding tales show girls in a more positive light. Muggle tales usually depict a damsel in distress."

"Good point about magic users in muggle stories often being potrayed negatively. We will cover that in our next lesson." Truebridge nodded.

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Originally Posted by SilverTiger

Elizabeth raised her hand once again. "Muggles, in their fairy tales, depict magic as what causes the problems for the people in them, and the heroines always need a prince, or someone, to help them achieve their goals. The tales of Beedle the Bard show Wizardkind that, while we can perform magic, we still have other problems that may not be able to be fixed by that. And he depicts his heroines as active, and able to accomplish things on their own."

"Right." Truebridge nodded, "Well put."

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Originally Posted by Crayola

Being a half-blood certainly did pay off, and Evangeline raised her hand once more. She knew the Muggle fairy tales just as well as she knew Bard's. "To start with, in the Muggle tales, magic is always the cause of all the problems. Like in Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, the witch magically poisoned the red apple so that when Snow White ate it, she'd .. die. But in Beedle's tales, the heroes know how to use magic, but they can't really solve their problems through it. Mum always used the tales to explain me why I couldn't use magic to solve everything." Evangeline gravely said with a nod. "The other difference.." Started Evangeline as a smile flickered upon her lips. She liked this one. "Is that the heroins of Beedle the Bard's tales are much more active and search for the solution of their problems. Like Asha and Altheda! Unlike the Muggle's female characters, they dont become 'damsels in distress' while waiting for Prince Charming to rescue them. They rescue themselves." YAY!

"Interesting how magic is usually the cause of the problems in muggle stories and yet not always the solution in wizarding ones." Ethan noted.

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Originally Posted by Zoerawrr

A woodcut. Are you... just... kidding me. His face was on a piece of wood.
Sigh.

Jake nearly giggled when Truebridge mentioned a gangster name, fighting hard to repress the mental images, Jake raised his hand. He liked this class, it was like if you answered wrong it was still okay.

"The Beedle the Bea- I mean Bard ones, they show, like... well, they're darker," Jake tried. He hadn't really read many muggle ones, nor heard of them, and stories like these were often twisted so much out of shape. "And they show that magic can't fix everything... like the one with the dead dog," Jake had indeed cried at that one... poor dog. "And it showed that the dog couldn't be... erm... alive-ified..." Jake's face went kind of blank. Is that the word? "And the lessons are harsher... Basically, the wizarding ones are alot more closer to the truth... I think, anyway."

Is it just me or have I not rambled in a loooooong time? Jake thought to himself glancing out of the window for a second.

"They are darker. Less sugar coating because the morals and lessons are much, much more important for us to learn than those presented in muggle stories. Good points, Jake."

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Originally Posted by Pigwidgeon Took

Raising his hand, he began to speak again. "Theh muggol ones almos' always 'ave magic as bein' de sou'ce o' dair problems... Where in Wiza'din' ones, the magic folks 'ave jus' an equa' 'ard time ta solve dair problems, even wit' usin' magic... An' the wiza'ding "maidens in distress"" Jude raised his hands to make the quotation marks in the air. "are more... active an' 'elpful in de ways o' ge'in 'emselves outta dair predictaments," he failed at pronouncing that word right, but he didn't care, "dan de girls in Muggol tales..."

"Bu'! Thin's tha' are de same... voi'tue ge's rewa'ded, wickedness ge's punished... All tha' stuff...." Jude smiled again after he finished.

"Thank you for pointing out the things that are the same." Ethan nodded.

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Originally Posted by Hollister

"Well, in muggle stories, isn't it all made up? Like, muggles don't know that magic eally exists. Whereas, in the tales of Beedle the Bard, they're teaching wzard children, and of course, they know magic is real." Miles said. He knew that muggles read fairy tales with magic in them, but that didn't mean they knew that magic was true.

"Very goooooood point." Ethan nodded, waving his hand in the air, because he actually did care for hands to be raised.

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Originally Posted by kami12

"I think that in muggle stories, the element of magic is portrayed as a helping hand to the hero or heroine also sometimes it is shown as the reason of the whole twist. In wizarding stories, magic is already there, it is shown as a part of the life of the character. Unlike muggle stories, where the story shift to the dependance on magic, wizarding stories tend to focus more on how to use magic in the correct way, a spell is protrayed as a moral not a tool to drive the story" Ray explained after he had raised his hand.

"Thank you, Ray. Good points."

Truebridge cleared his throat, "I remind you all to raise your hands when answering." His tone was bland, but the words were certainly a warning.

"So... If you would all tell me which is your favourite of Beedles tales and why it is your favourite. For those of you who are muggleborn or just not familiar with Beedles work, go ahead and tell me about a muggle fairy tale that features magic users."

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Con_Stripes Mooncalf Join Date: May 2008 Location: GMT +12 or 13 Posts: 7,031 Hogwarts RPG Name: Oz Thickey Sixth Year Diagon Alley Proprietor: Leon Odessa	The Eye of Sauron \| Zan-y \| Snake Charmer Quote: Originally Posted by aussiegirl Kayla raised her hand once more, "In Beedle's stories his witches are more active in seeking their fortunes than the muggle fairy-tale heroines. The three witches in the Fountain of Fair Fortune and Babbitty Rabbitty are witches who take fate into their own hands, rather than taking a hundred year nap like Sleeping Beauty or waiting for someone to return her glass slipper like Cinderella." "How much do you think the stronger portrayal of females in Wizarding stories relates to their ability to do magic? Would muggle females in wizarding stories such as beedles tales, still be portrayed as smart, strong and capable individuals?" Ethan posed the question after listening to Kayla, but gestured that the entire class was welcome to speculate. Quote: Originally Posted by Ameh Raiden's hand went up again. "Uhm, in Beedle's tales... the ladies in them are much more active in seeking their own happiness. In lots of Muggle stories, the poor women are made to just sit around and wait for happiness to happen to them, but in Beedle's tales, they get to pursue their happiness." He thought for a moment before continuing. "And in Beedle's stories, magic is shown to cause as much trouble as it can cure. They're faerie tales, but they're not true to the Muggle faerie tales in that not everything can be solved by a spell or a magic rock. Sometimes the problem has to be overcome a different way." "We can't always count on magic to make our problems go away, can we?" Quote: Originally Posted by Celandine Cela raised her gloved hand, "Well, wizarding tales and muggle tales both deal with magic. But with wizarding tales the focus is on learning that magic causes as much trouble as what it can cure, while muggle tales sorta look at magic as a quick fix with little to no understanding of what its limits and consequences are." Hmmmm what else? "In muggle stories, usually the magic users are portrayed as bad or evil and are the cause of the woes and hardships that the main good characters have to face. In wizarding stories the main characters, the good ones, they can use magic too. Also wizarding tales show girls in a more positive light. Muggle tales usually depict a damsel in distress." "Good point about magic users in muggle stories often being potrayed negatively. We will cover that in our next lesson." Truebridge nodded. Quote: Originally Posted by SilverTiger Elizabeth raised her hand once again. "Muggles, in their fairy tales, depict magic as what causes the problems for the people in them, and the heroines always need a prince, or someone, to help them achieve their goals. The tales of Beedle the Bard show Wizardkind that, while we can perform magic, we still have other problems that may not be able to be fixed by that. And he depicts his heroines as active, and able to accomplish things on their own." "Right." Truebridge nodded, "Well put." Quote: Originally Posted by Crayola Being a half-blood certainly did pay off, and Evangeline raised her hand once more. She knew the Muggle fairy tales just as well as she knew Bard's. "To start with, in the Muggle tales, magic is always the cause of all the problems. Like in Snow White and the Seven Dwarves, the witch magically poisoned the red apple so that when Snow White ate it, she'd .. die. But in Beedle's tales, the heroes know how to use magic, but they can't really solve their problems through it. Mum always used the tales to explain me why I couldn't use magic to solve everything." Evangeline gravely said with a nod. "The other difference.." Started Evangeline as a smile flickered upon her lips. She liked this one. "Is that the heroins of Beedle the Bard's tales are much more active and search for the solution of their problems. Like Asha and Altheda! Unlike the Muggle's female characters, they dont become 'damsels in distress' while waiting for Prince Charming to rescue them. They rescue themselves." YAY! "Interesting how magic is usually the cause of the problems in muggle stories and yet not always the solution in wizarding ones." Ethan noted. Quote: Originally Posted by Zoerawrr A woodcut. Are you... just... kidding me. His face was on a piece of wood. Sigh. Jake nearly giggled when Truebridge mentioned a gangster name, fighting hard to repress the mental images, Jake raised his hand. He liked this class, it was like if you answered wrong it was still okay. "The Beedle the Bea- I mean Bard ones, they show, like... well, they're darker," Jake tried. He hadn't really read many muggle ones, nor heard of them, and stories like these were often twisted so much out of shape. "And they show that magic can't fix everything... like the one with the dead dog," Jake had indeed cried at that one... poor dog. "And it showed that the dog couldn't be... erm... alive-ified..." Jake's face went kind of blank. Is that the word? "And the lessons are harsher... Basically, the wizarding ones are alot more closer to the truth... I think, anyway." Is it just me or have I not rambled in a loooooong time? Jake thought to himself glancing out of the window for a second. "They are darker. Less sugar coating because the morals and lessons are much, much more important for us to learn than those presented in muggle stories. Good points, Jake." Quote: Originally Posted by Pigwidgeon Took Raising his hand, he began to speak again. "Theh muggol ones almos' always 'ave magic as bein' de sou'ce o' dair problems... Where in Wiza'din' ones, the magic folks 'ave jus' an equa' 'ard time ta solve dair problems, even wit' usin' magic... An' the wiza'ding "maidens in distress"" Jude raised his hands to make the quotation marks in the air. "are more... active an' 'elpful in de ways o' ge'in 'emselves outta dair predictaments," he failed at pronouncing that word right, but he didn't care, "dan de girls in Muggol tales..." "Bu'! Thin's tha' are de same... voi'tue ge's rewa'ded, wickedness ge's punished... All tha' stuff...." Jude smiled again after he finished. "Thank you for pointing out the things that are the same." Ethan nodded. Quote: Originally Posted by Hollister "Well, in muggle stories, isn't it all made up? Like, muggles don't know that magic eally exists. Whereas, in the tales of Beedle the Bard, they're teaching wzard children, and of course, they know magic is real." Miles said. He knew that muggles read fairy tales with magic in them, but that didn't mean they knew that magic was true. "Very goooooood point." Ethan nodded, waving his hand in the air, because he actually did care for hands to be raised. Quote: Originally Posted by kami12 "I think that in muggle stories, the element of magic is portrayed as a helping hand to the hero or heroine also sometimes it is shown as the reason of the whole twist. In wizarding stories, magic is already there, it is shown as a part of the life of the character. Unlike muggle stories, where the story shift to the dependance on magic, wizarding stories tend to focus more on how to use magic in the correct way, a spell is protrayed as a moral not a tool to drive the story" Ray explained after he had raised his hand. "Thank you, Ray. Good points." Truebridge cleared his throat, "I remind you all to raise your hands when answering." His tone was bland, but the words were certainly a warning. "So... If you would all tell me which is your favourite of Beedles tales and why it is your favourite. For those of you who are muggleborn or just not familiar with Beedles work, go ahead and tell me about a muggle fairy tale that features magic users."