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Originally Posted by FearlessLeader19  So…
Jude hadn’t expected anyone to be paying attention to him but Hernandez. Though he supposed that hearing a fellow student had turned into an alpaca would make everyone interested. “Exactly as I said, Professor,’’ he remarked, bobbing his head earnestly. Jude frankly did not care if anyone believed him; the only one that mattered was Hernandez. He shrugged at Hooper. “This one did.” The sixth year really didn’t want to draw more attention to Evan but he figured that others needed to be warned that there might be more students bursting into alpacas. Or a variety of creatures. “He turned into an alpaca for some reason.” That should answer Ash, Daniel and Lisa.
Spotting Luther, he gave him a little wave and a reassuring smile. He didn’t want to upset the guy unnecessarily about strange happenings in his very first year, yeah? And THERE was Evan! See?! Words that backed Jude up directly from the horse’s… No, alpaca’s Ravenclaw’s mouth. A grateful look was thrown to the other boy before they headed off to workstations. Naturally, he took one next to Evan. “Are you okay?” Jude gave the seventh year a concerned look. It seemed that he spent all his Hogwarts life worrying over the seventh year. “Not gonna chew up my notes today, are you? I probably am going to start walking around with carrots and apples for you if this is going to be a thing.” He bit back a chuckle and busied himself retrieving his ink and parchment. There was a soft snort from him. “Merlin, I hope so! That Poltergeist is driving me crazy.” Jude watched all the happening around him warily; they were anything he hadn’t seen before. Most notably was Keigh’s flowers. “Heeey, little sister!’’ He gave her his brightest smile. His best friend and younger sister on either side of him today? Perfect!
The Hufflepuff eyed the butterflies. Jude wasn’t even sure he had brought those butterflies along or someone else had. Because yes, he had come to realise that at times there were quite a bit of butterflies about him and they appeared for no reason, especially indoors. His gaze shifted to Evan a bit before darting back to Hernandez. When the man had asked ‘asking out the girl of your dreams’, his mind had immediately turned ‘girl’ into ‘guy’. Of course he was thinking of Evan and of course he immediately felt super guilty because of Davet. He sighed quietly. There would be no end to these raging feelings of his.
Jude raised his hand. “I would say it is immoral to use in general or in most situations but not to be taught about. It’s just not fair to have anything to go your way, no matter how much you want it to. What becomes of the person or persons involved in the scenario of you consuming the Potion? What if they too wanted the scenario to go their way, but weren’t given a proper chance for that to happen because they didn’t consume the Potion? So yes, I see its use as being immoral.” As a Hufflepuff, fairness was important to him. With that, the sixth year headed for the front of the class. Quote:
Originally Posted by astrocat Ash nodded as Evan squeezed her shoulder. "If... if you say so." But she'd be watching him whenever she could! She preferred Evan as a person and not as an alpaca. She took a seat near where Jude, Keighley, and Evan were, but slightly behind them. She looked around for Tadhg at the sound of his voice, but couldn't see him. She listened along, wondering if she could go to the hospital wing for reasons other than flowers coming from her. See, she'd already gotten that checked out, and was just told that it didn't seem to be a problem and there was nothing anyone could do. She was much more concerned about her constant tiredness and feeling sick all the time. She had to be excused from this class a few weeks ago, because she just felt so bad. Today seemed to be fine though. She felt great.
"I think that using felix felicis is unethical, because it affects other people as well, 'persuading' them to do what you want. Like tell you information or go on a date with you. We're not allowed to use the imperius curse on each other, and this isn't that far from that, in my opinion." She hesitated, then went on. "However, just because it's unethical doesn't mean I never support using it. Like when harry potter got information on Voldemort. It wasn't ethical really, but it was justified regardless." She went to stand in the front. Quote:
Originally Posted by Chelliephone Hearing his name, Evan had turned around to offer greeting but.. while he believed he heard Tadhg's voice, he couldn't spot him, so instead his greeting sounded more like a question. "Hello?" Keighley's was a little less confused as she was tangible on the other side of Jude. Ev gave a small smile and an inclinaton of his head her direction. "I'm fine now. Thanks."
A sheepish smile again at the questioning of if he would be chewing notes, and the only honest answer the Ravenclaw could give... was a shrug of his shoulders. "I can't make any promises." But for the sake of the lesson, hopefully not. He was sure all of the odd magical happenings were distracting and driving the poor Professor's mad. Which was also why he didn't offer any other commentary regarding the poltergeist or in response to any of the other comments regarding his unfortunate woolly problem, other than to assure Professor Hernandez at his question. "I feel fine now, sir. Thank you." It did happen rather spontaneously and he'd yet to notice any proceeding patterns but... he felt perfectly normal now and was hoping for that to be the case through the lesson.
Which was off to a rather interesting start. They were talking morals today in Potions?
Considering the questions, Evan was glad to be going a little later to hear the points people made. While the first year's observation that magic itself could not be immoral (something he'd often had to grapple with his early years) was correct, he still didn't believe in Liquid Luck being a normal standard of curriculum. When it came to his turn, Evan stood and made his way towards the front of the class. "I do agree with some of the points the other side made, that magic in itself cannot be immoral, as the immorality would have more to do with the intentions of the user. However, I don't think that means that we shouldn't well... censor I suppose, what is taught in schools. By the some logic of morality, the three Unforgivable Curses are not in of themselves immoral, but we shouldn't learn about those either." He refrained from pointing out as well, that had censorship been more adhered to in the first place... Historically Harry Potter might never have needed to use the Felix Felicis. Quote:
Originally Posted by Holmesian Feline Yes…strange symptoms indeed.
Rajesh was keeping an eye out for any sign his own was gonna act up, debating casting the spell he learned from Professor Madigan just in case. However, there seemed to be another debate that was going to have more of an impact on the class right off the bat…whether felix felicis was something that should be taught or something that wasn’t fair and ethical. Listening to what Professor Hernandez had to say, as well as what his classmates brought up before he could make his own decision, the Ravenclaw’s gaze went to both sides of the room.
He was caught in between.
He felt it was an okay potion in some instances, in moderation, for the small things. Keeping self from injury, or helping a cause like Potter and his friends was one thing. But on the other side of the matter, Raj wasn’t sure it was all right for something that mattered a bit more or for personal gain, like winning a quidditch match where it affected both teams and future matches. But the professor had said that they HAD to take a side. No such sitting on the fence like the currently was.
It seemed like he was heading to the front with Lisa and Ash. “While it has pitfalls and should have limitations…I don’t feel its completely immoral and not something to learn.” he answered, taking a stand beside the older Ravenclaw. Javier addressed the students who walked to the front of the class first. "Miss Fox and Mister Anders bring up a very good point - by using the potion you are, by extension, influencing the lives of everyone you encounter. The magic affects them as well, so while you may not intend for it to have an impact on others, it likely WILL in some regard," he explained. For example - Slughorn didn't WANT to give up that information, but the universe had twisted things and put him in a situation where his feelings changed. It was kind of strange to think about, honestly. Although Ashley comparing to the Imperius Curse was a bit much in his opinion...but again, this was a debate!
He felt like he had expected more students at the front of the class - but it was a healthy mix, which was what Javier had been hoping for! "It seems that most of you are in agreement that it isn't COMPLETELY wrong to teach about it or even use it - but there should definitely be limitations to its use. Hold on to that thought for just a moment," he instructed them with a small smirk. He knew that he was probably making some of these kid's heads explode, making them pick ONE side over the other...
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Originally Posted by Freyr
Luther waved to Jude and smiled back. He definitely seemed relieved at seeing the Ravenclaw (Evan) and Luther thought 'That must be Evan, I wonder what it feels like to be an animal. Maybe I should ask him. Yeah, I will ask him after the class.' The class was filled with students who seemed to be unwilling victims of Peeves hijinks.
After listening to Professor Hernandez's explanation and question, Luther thought for a while. 'It would give an unfair advantage when used in events like exams or matches. However, it is magic, it is not good or bad.'
Deciding on his side, Luther stood up and said "Professor, I believe that while it might definitely and easily be abused, Felix Felicis is still just a product of magic. And magic itself cannot be immoral. The magical person and their intentions may be as immoral or moral as possible but I don't think any product of magic, thus producing and using them, can be automatically immoral. Also, moral rules are never definite, as we can see in the class, so who is to say the purpose of usage was immoral? After all, a cheetah is an enemy for the antelope but a hero for its cubs." After stating his justification, Luther walked towards the back of the class, his hands shining as bright as they can since he lost focus.
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Originally Posted by Watson An Alpaca? Surely Jude was joking, yes? Evan couldn’t possibly have been..
“My brother’s a—?” Speaking of said brother, he entered and she firmly shut her mouth but not before a stream of bubbles escaped. Wow.. The bubbles were not subtle. At her brother’s comment, she clutched her notebook closer to her chest and just STARED at him peculiarly. “Uh… okay…” That was bizarre.
Professor Hernandez’s response to her question was what she had anticipated but still she was a little deflated by it. However, it was probably the smarter thing not to have kids running around with weird powers and a potion that made things work out in their favour. Aw bummer, she thought but nodded at his response. “Understood… I was a little hopeful that it could work as an antidote…” She offered him a smile.
She waved to Kayla who sat near her and Daniel. As she looked over to her, she couldn’t help but look closer at Daniel and saw the dark circles. Merlin. He looked awful. Maybe she’d fish out the concealers and… Well the lesson had began and she’d have to offer it to him after this lesson. She listened intently at the part when he mentioned what could be achieved with the potion. Asking out the girl or guy you wanted… Lisa could easily see through these illustrations just how dangerous this potion could be if it got into the wrong hands.
OOH! A debate on the morals of the potion. An interesting twist to the lesson! She liked this. Where did she stand on this mattter? Well… She personally thought it was immoral but hearing Jude take that stance, Lisa OBVIOUSLY had to play devil’s advocate. So she headed to the back of the classroom with a smug smile on her lips. She squared her shoulders, lifting her chin up higher. Time for the performance. “I think it’s perfectly moral to teach, brew, and use Felix Felicis. Like my esteemed colleague…” Uhh what was the first year’s name…? “Mr Starriver mentioned previously, I also have to agree that it’s not the potion that makes the choice.” She paused, y’know for the dramatic effect. “It’s the user. With great power comes great responsibility.” She did look to Daniel. “Should we remove the use of wands because they can cause harm? No, that’d be silly. We can teach about the benefits, pitfalls, and consequences that occur because of a user’s actions.”
Yes, the bubbles did make her performance seem even more riddikulus. Quote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysSnapesGirl Disappointing that they wouldn't get their own vial of it, but also understandable. Especially considering the turn the beginning of the class took with this first question.
Kayla was...torn. Neither side really sat well with her, with the extremes of the either never immoral or always immoral to use the Liquid Luck potion. Life was more complicated than that. But she supposed if they weren't forced to temporarily pick a side within the classroom setting, they might all choose the same side of "it's complicated," considering they all had good reasons for each side so far. And perhaps that defeated the purpose of the exercise, if there was no debate.
So...it wasn't easy, but finally she went to the back of the room. "I don't think there are no problems with this potion," she said. "However, I also don't think that just because it can be used for nefarious purposes, that it means it shouldn't ever be taught. In the same way that we have defense classes to protect ourselves from the dark arts and other magic that can do harm, we should also be able to learn about potions that can be used for ethical and unethical reasons, in order to prepare ourselves to deal with them if we need to." Quote:
Originally Posted by Nordic Witch They were having a debate about wheter it was moral or immoral to brew liquid luck. Bella considered silently, and listened to the others points as student after student around her filtered to the back or front of the classroom depending on their views. Raising her hand as she stood up Bella waited until she had Prof Hernandez full attention before sharing her view. "I agree with Kayla and Lisa. I don't think it's immoral to brew or use liquid luck. It's the user of the potion that decides what the purpose of the potion will be if its for a little good fun or something more sinister, and we need to learn how to brew potions of all kinds and to handle the consequences of using potions both in school and out in the world. " She then walked over to join Lisa and Kayla in the back of the room. Everything always effected other people the question was if it was for good or bad. Quote:
Originally Posted by Granger Danger Waving his wand so he could be seen my the Professor and everyone else around him he bit his lip in thought, what did he think about this? He could see both sides of the situation but he truly believed that it should be taught and he had his reasons and was about to say it. Raising his hand with his wand still in his hand he cleared his throat. Although he inew a lot of people were going to agree or disagree but it didn't mean they all couldn't be friends based on certain beliefs.
" I think it should be taught Professor, I mean yeah it can be used unfairly and poorly, but that's with almost anything and everything that's out there sir, are you going to banned the Polyjuice Potion because you turn into someone you're not or the Deaught of Living Death cause it puts someone in a death like sleep? No it would be unethical to banned something cause I believe if it's banned more are going to be curious and try it anyways. If we were to banned wand cause of people using them evilly how would we truly the greatest of magic around us? Sorry for the rant sir, just trying to voice my opinion on the issue." With that being said, he walked towards the back of the classroom. Quote:
Originally Posted by Kolyander Jude knew how much she looked up to him, right?
So when the lesson began and Professor Hernandez started to speak all was well. Keighley listened as she always did, jotting down notes on her parchment which wasn't anything new from her either. What was new however was the look on the fourth years face when they were asked to pick a side of the room to stand on depending upon how they answered this question. Is Felix Felicis an ethical potion to brew and use.
Why did they have to pick a side? She didn't want to do that. Being in a neutral position sounded better to her. There were pros and cons to this potion as there were pros and cons to pretty much everything in life. It all depended on how it was looked at but more importantly it came down to the one using it. Keigh crinkled up her nose in thought, slowly raising her hand so she could give her answer. "It's not a potion I myself would see me using but.. I don't see an issue with it being taught. Whether it's learned under a watchful eye of a professor or figured out on ones own, if someone wants to learn it badly enough they will find a way." Just saying. It's the truth. Not teaching something at Hogwarts doesn't make it unlearnable. "As for it being used.. well.. I guess that would depend on what it's being used for. Not everyone's intentions for it may be bad." Sorry Jude. Getting to her feet, she slowly made her way to the back of the room to join the others standing there, blue eyes downcast. Surely she had let her big brother down by not siding with him. Quote:
Originally Posted by MadMadamMalfoy Desiree was not her usual perky princessy self today. Being turned into a beast against one’s will would do that! She walked with her head down, greeting Professor Hernandez with a polite nod upon her arrival. Never knowing when her words might come out as wombat sounds, she didn’t want to chance a verbal greeting. She stalked off to the back of the room, taking a seat someplace where she hopefully wouldn’t draw too much attention to herself if she turned into a teddy rat in the middle of the lesson.
She looked to the board as she waited for the lesson to begin, and her mood brightened slightly. Liquid luck? There was only one potion that could possibly be. Was that what they were doing today, brewing Felix Felicis? She’d heard it was insanely difficult to do! More importantly, could Felix Felicis stop her from randomly turning into a wombat? She listened with rapt attention as the professor spoke. Although the lecture didn’t outright answer her burning question, it gave her hope. If Felix Felicis could help the drinker achieve anything, surely it could help her keep her human form, right?
Desiree considered the question carefully. If Professor Hernandez had asked that prior to the start of this term, she probably would’ve said the potion was unethical, no ifs ands or buts. While she still thought it was unethical to use to give yourself an unfair advantage, like in an exam or quidditch match, recent circumstances had opened her eyes to scenarios in which it could be used ethically.
She didn’t have far to go when her turn came to stand up, as she was already at the back of the room. Taking the few steps necessary to join the others, she raised her hand and said, “I agree with the others. It’s the way one uses the potion that can be ethical or not, not the potion itself. Using Felix Felicis to stop the misfortunes done to oneself or others, as Harry Potter did, is very different from using it to gain an unfair advantage in an exam or quidditch match, At any rate, I think the potion should be taught so people can make informed decisions whether or not they want to use it.” SHe said this all very fast, lest she turn into a wombat before she could get the words out.
Next, to the children in the back - and the invisible man, Tadhg, whom Javier had watched curiously as his robes just kind of...floated to the back. That was weird. Anyways...
"I couldn't have said it better myself, Mister Starriver!" Javier smiled at the first year and nodded at everyone else's answers. "You all make excellent points as well. The potion itself may not be unethical, but depending on who is using it and for what purpose, THAT might be where we run in to issues. And as Miss Anders said, not everyone is using it for ill intent," he said in agreement.
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Originally Posted by aRogueOne No Alpacas at Hogwarts? Huh. Then maybe Evan did turn into one. It didn’t make too much difference to him except that he sort of wanted to pet one. Hooper watched carefully as Jude spotted Evan but didn’t butt in and interrupt the panic that he seemed to be in. With that not lasting, Hooper decided to focus on the lesson rather than the Llama Alpaca drama.
Taking pause for a second, Hooper really had to think about the question before putting his hand up to answer. “Honestly professor, that potion sounds super siiick! I mean, I know people have said that if you use it in certain situations, it can be frowned upon but if everyone uses it, doesn’t that cancel everything out? Has like, everyone playing in a quidditch game taken it then played? Is one person more lucky? Because both teams can’t win”. Now that would be a super cool potions experiment. Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixRising UM.... HELLO... LIQUID LUCK... what?? To say Apollo was stoked for this lesson was an understatement. While he wasn't convinced that Professor Hernandez would let them keep a small vial, there was always the possibility for one or two students 'winning' some, right?? LIKE, wasn't that how the great Harry Potter came to obtain some?
Except ... apparently they wouldn't be getting some. So uh... why was this being taught then?? Was Hernandez trying to act as a moral compass to see which of his students had morals? Cause this kid .... kind of did. If only because he knew he could probably be kicked from the U-17 team and he only had one more season remaining, a chance to show off to potential big league recruiters. So yea, no, Apollo Adara-Stark would NOT be risking his future. And yet....
"It should be ... moderated. There are legit reasons for using it, sure, but maybe like for personal gain, I'm thinking that's where the line would be crossed." Was this why the sorting hat didn't put him in Slytherin? Probably. But he was pretty sure that Maya and Bella had moral compasses. Didn't they? Bella was at the back of the room though ... but did she vote for being able to brew it freely or with discretion? "Good answers, both of you," Javier said to Hooper and Apollo, but he paused when it appeared neither boy was actually getting UP to go to the front or the back of the class..."Now, pick a side, if you'll please," he asked with a small chuckle, figuring they probably just got too sucked into the debate of it all to remember that little part of the instructions!
"Now, the majority of you said in your answers that you felt there should be limitations to the potion's use. I know I asked you a difficult question - and I can tell from your answers that many of you struggled to pick just ONE side," he explained. "Which is kind of what I was expecting to happen. Many ethical dilemmas we face - both in Potions class and in the real world - are hardly black and white like many would want us to believe."
"So now I'll ask you another question - for those of you at the front of the classroom, are there any situations where you feel it WOULD be ok to use liquid luck? And for the back...what are some scenarios where you feel it is NOT ok to use liquid luck?" he asked. "Or are you completely staunch in your beliefs?" That was also a completely acceptable answer!
OOC: WOOO more ethical debates! Basically, each side should try and think like the other side, and figure out if there are any scenarios where they would find it acceptable/not acceptable to use Liquid Luck?
We'll move on in about 24 hours!
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