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SPOILER!!: Montague
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Originally Posted by RachieRu View Post
This was actually really interesting. It seemed that in a desperate situation, almost anyone probably had the abilities to become do something bad, and become that bad wizard. All of them here would probably say they would never go that far, or become that person, but really nobody knew what would happen in the future, or what they would go through that would push them to the edge. Lili stayed quiet, making a few notes as she thought. She wanted to have a good think about the question before she answered. She wanted to be able to really understand her answer, so that she could defend it if she needed to. Eventually, the blonde did put her hand up into the air.

"My action could be considered pretty simple really. It kind of links to the acquisition of potion ingredients. If one is desperate enough, say someone requires this potion to live, then possibly one would go to extremes to get those ingredients, an example being acquiring ingredients from the black market, or potentially taking advantage of others, just to get the ingredients. Being desperate for ingredients that could save a life would be acceptable, but the circumstance of going to the extreme, and looking at the black market, or taking advantages of others to obtain those ingredients could make it a bad action." She paused for a moment, catching her breath. "Like I said.... it's a simple thing? And probably wouldn't make someone a Dark Wizard. But I believe it's an action that could be at the top of a slippery slope? If someone is willing to do this.... what more could they be willing to do?" And then she shut up, because she'd spoken for a long time.


It was clear, while the girl spoke, that the Headmaster was seriously listening and giving it careful consideration. Potions ingredients. A need to save a life. Yes, it could quickly become a slippery slope of an action.

"I'm inclined to agree. The action becomes all the more uncertain in character when the ingredients cannot legally be obtained or when said ingredients are banned entirely as would pose need for the black market like you've said." Some were strictly prohibited. "There's a saying, "a desperate man is a dangerous man" and in a situation like that, it could become increasingly true." Life was a precious thing. A man never knew what he was capable of until his life or the life of someone he cared for came under peril.

SPOILER!!: Spencer
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Originally Posted by 2111jen View Post
Austin thought about this for a while, at least it seemed lime a while, to him. What makes a dark wizard or witch? He then came up with an answer. A simple one but an answer. He raised his hand.
"I think that the line between a dark witch or wizard and a non dark one is very grey," he said.
He didn't give any explanation. If the bead master asked for one, he would try his best but otherwise....


"Yes it is, as several of your classmates then I have just explained." Malachi said carefully, watching the boy as if he was suddenly strange. Had Spencer zoned out for a moment? Stopped paying attention? "I've asked for an example of a scenario in which said grey area could be highlighted."

The boy would do well to pay attention from now on, lest he be made to remain behind to cover the lesson again in its entirety. Surely neither wanted that.

SPOILER!!: Toussaint
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At the mention of possessing dark objects, Alessandro’s mind flashed to the little shops in Knockturn Alley. Admittedly, the PR for that corner of town was not the best, but Alessandro would argue some of the most fascinating and truly diverse array of magical objects were there. How many Herbology Professors had walked those cobblestone streets in search of materials to maintain the greenhouses? Magic had grey areas. And sometimes, darkness had its values.

Alessandro raised his hand, “Professor, I take issue with differentiating witches and wizards as dark or not.” He really, really did. “It feels like you are building in an excuse to paint a witch or wizard in one single shade. They are not all bad and they are certainly not all good.” He rolled his shoulders back and continued, in his best approximation of being respectful to his professor, “Besides, we couldn’t possibly draw the line because exceptions will exist in every case. It would be hypocritical.” Every line they drew would have an exception, or two, or twenty.

Anyway, students in a classroom at Hogwarts didn’t get to decide where to draw the line, history did, and history was always written by its victors. Public perception, the passage of time, was a huge factor his peers were ignoring. History decided what was and what was not acceptable because the winners wrote the narrative. So no, he did not wish to draw hard lines in the sand; or, even attempt to be clever by arguing each side of that line because, at the end of the day, a line still only ran straight. Life did not. It went every which way but sideways.


"On the contrary, you've raised the very point I'm trying to bring across." He replied to the Hufflepuff. "I'm here to display the difficulty in painting such a picture and the dangers of blindly picking a side." The boy seemed to have missed the point of the better part of the discussion. It had all, thus far led to the conclusion that the term was much too subjective based on the criteria. "You take issue with drawing a line and that's a stance in itself. The idea behind this lesson isn't to teach you who to consider dark and who not to, it's to aid in employing greater thinking before passing on such a title. I've asked for everyone's own personal line. Yours is no line at all, others have given examples of their lines or lines that may be drawn in general. That's all that is, a personal line." Each student putting in some critical thinking and applying their own take on the wider matter.

SPOILER!!: Burke
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Originally Posted by GrapehSarah View Post
Cassidy bit her lip trying to think of how to answer this question. She'd never really thought about any of this. This subject was really dark and way above what the little first year had ever thought of before. "Maybe the line is when it comes to protecting your family or someone you love from someone that wants to hurt them." If anyone ever tried to hurt Rhett or her parents, Cassidy would do whatever she had to to try and keep them safe.


"That could be a line, yes." It certainly was for him. Thinking about his wife, of Kale and Mavis, the Headmaster didn't imagine there was a single thing he wouldn't do to protect any of them. The same went for his extended family. His mother--oh Merlin, the things he'd do for his mother--his father, his brother. He could absolutely agree with the Gryffindor on the point of family. "It can be truly astonishing the lengths many would go to should the ones they care about fall under threat."

SPOILER!!: Dakest
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....... uhhhhhh.............

There was an argument (?) starting up, was Trent aware of this?

Lucas glanced from student to student as they gave their opinion, feeling nothing short of awkward. And it definitely showed in the way he was looking around and constantly checking to see Trent's reaction. It almost felt as though he wasn't supposed to be there? As if he was interrupting something he shouldn't be.

But then again, the things that were being said was too interesting to let go. It got him thinking, just like Trent's responses got him thinking as well. Intent. Intent was what the man was talking about. Creating a Horcrux was pretty bad - or questionable, as Trent put it - but the Basilisk could have been made out of an accident. He wasn't going to know but he wasn't going to not know, either. And the other examples got him thinking even more, especially about what he would do in those situations. What he considered good and bad and where he stood for those issues.

It was........ giving him a headache.

Trying to think of an example was....... difficult but his brain immediately landed on something: love potions. Why? He didn't know. But once it had landed on that, it wasn't going to move so..... it looked like he was going to mention that. He slowly raised his hand in the air, all the while still looking quite confused while his brain tried to form words. "Uh, Headmaster? Love potions are a bit of a tricky one."

Pause.

"I mean, using them because you're desperate to make someone fall in love with you would be bad, yeah? Because you're...... you're taking away someone's control of their own feelings and it could lead to other things that, uh, well, started from a lie." He could almost hear his heart thumping in his ears but he continued, "But it's hard to think of a good use for them, you know? I mean..... people have used it as a joke but..... isn't that still doing the same thing?"

He didn't know. Not at all.


Well that was certainly an...interesting take on things....

Love potions. Huh. Couldn't say that's what he had on his mind when he asked the question but it was the point Dakest had brought up and it really had the man thinking.

"As a joke, it would still be a bad thing, most certainly. Unethical. Absolutely. Detention worthy, for sure. How long of a detention? Uncertain." Here he paused just to let that sink in for everyone. Last year's amortentia disaster was not to be repeated. With Spinnet gone, it was somewhat less likely but the warning needed giving anyway.

"Consider now an incident, someone for whatever reason stuck with someone else. No escape. No real means of defense. Enter a love potion. All the cruelty disappears to be replaced by...obsessive admiration. Not the most desirable outcome, but more desirable than aggression. Still unethical, robbing someone of the free will and their emotions but the circumstances are drastically changed to the point it becomes acceptable and understandable to the majority."

SPOILER!!: Allanach-Senchuri
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Now this was a tricky question. "I think if you're killing or hurting someone to protect someone else's life, you aren't being a dark wizard or witch. However, if you're killing or hurting someone merely out of spite, then you're a dark wizard or witch. But there will always be an exception or two. I mean, even Voldemort had a good side. He was smart, he was Head Boy in his time and he always stood up for himself. Of course I'm not saying Voldemort was good, but what I'm saying is that even incredibly dark wizards or witches have a good side." Analiese's answer was pretty straightforward. Even though she now needed to catch her breath after that short essay she just made.


"I see where you're going with this...for the most part." Malachi replied, hand on his chin while he took a moment to think it all over again. "I wouldn't go casting too wide a net with that thinking, however. The Dark Lord did have good qualities in his youth, yes, but there were less and less as he allowed himself to fully be taken over by the darkness." A bit dramatic maybe, but that was essentially what had happened. He split his soul, cursed himself to a half life with unicorn blood, murder indiscriminately. At some point, he grew closer to the manifestation of evil than a human being. Once that happened, it would have been il-advised for anyone to approach thinking he still had "good qualities" they could get through to. Death would be a certain outcome.

SPOILER!!: Gladin
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Originally Posted by Lissy Longbottom View Post
Nettie had been...quiet up to this point. She'd been doing that a lot lately during classes because she found that it was becoming more and more fascinating to just sit back and listen to the class debate. She was slowly learning that she didn't ALWAYS have to speak up and insert herself in to the debate. Sure, the Headmaster HAD asked for their opinion, but did she necessarily HAVE to argue with people? Not really. Sometimes it was better to just listen. It was a lesson that she was slowly learning, and it was just as important as any magic she was going to learn here.

She DID want to interject herself in to this bit, though. "I agree with Alessandro," she piped up, raising her hand. "It's not all black and white. It's very gray. I could say that I would forgive someone for using Unforgivables because of their family - but even that would be dependent on the situation. Like, if you're stealing money just to buy yourself a bigger house, you could say that was for your family, but does that mean it was justified? No. You don't need a bigger house. If you're stealing to FEED your family, though...that's a different scenario. It's really case by case, so I can't really DRAW a definitive line," she finished.


He'd worried at first, when she first began to speak, that Gladin had zoned out and was only now rejoining the discussion like Spencer appeared to as she was stating things that were already implied and gone through in the discussion, but it became clear it was only an intro into the example she chose to give. At that point, it he could see where she was going with it.

"Right. It's all quite subjective and each person is as unique as the scenario they find themselves in. No two will ever be the same. That's why it's so important not to try to fit everything into the same one or two molds that society deems good measures of a man's morality." The varying scenarios, the input from each student. It was all one big effort to get the point across of how hard it was to just sort things into "good" and "bad".

SPOILER!!: Mallari
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"I don't think I could say for certain what I would and wouldn't do, especially if someone I loved was in harms way or would benefit somehow from my actions, dark or not. It's hard to draw a line until you're in the moment and your gut is telling you to go through with something or to walk away. Until you're tested, you don't really know your limits, even if you think you do." She was rambling, she knew this, but this discussion was complicated and in no way black and white. She liked it because of that.


And Mallari did not disappoint. By her answer, the Headmaster felt confident in his assumption that she too was getting the point of this discussion. It, the whole thing, was all a bid to give the students first hand experience on why it's not so easy to just draw a line and pick a side. Morality was a sticky topic and like she'd said, no one could be entirely sure what they were capable of until the moment they were tested.

"An excellent point that adds to the discussion on why the line can be so difficult to draw. It's easy enough to swear off of things until the moment those things become the difference between life and death or anything else a person holds dear."

SPOILER!!: Prichard
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Rylee had remained quiet up until now and even with all the thoughts and possible scenarios swirling through her mind she still said... nothing. This entire conversation was a large gray area. One could say how they would respond in a certain situation but until you're living that moment you don't really know what you'll do. No two people were the same and everyone would react different even if they were in a similar situation.

When you don't know the actual intent behind why someone does what they do, well it gets difficult to say if they are good or bad. So many things could be classified as evil but that doesn't make the person that does them evil. Professors names being mentioned and the talk of being possessed sent a chill down her spin. One of the former Head Girls was even suggested as evil? This was insane. Jessa was in noway evil, all her work was done hands on with so much research and knowledge behind it. Rylee liked the older girl and still kept in contact with her... she also learned LOTS from her, some of which she was testing out herself on her own time. Did that make HER evil? No.

For the longest time voices just blended together and all she found herself doing was taking down notes. LOTS and lots of notes. Finally there was a pause and she lifted her hand into the air. "I agree with Alessandro and Vita as well. Everyone has that something that would make them do something that could be considered evil or totally unforgivable but until their put into a situation that would cause it there's no saying what's bad or justified. Just because you might think you know how you would react, you really don't." Rylee paused for second before shaking her head slightly. Rambling wasn't good, especially when you're own thoughts were currently a jumbled mess. Sorry about that but this topic while a good one was also confusing.


And another to draw the same conclusion--the conclusion he was hoping to lead them to forming on their own. It was good to know his efforts and this discussion weren't all for nothing. "Precisely. Whenever considering a topic such as this one, there are many considerations that need to be attended to. Often these considerations aren't the sort you can make on an average day while shooting the breeze with your friends."

It took a certain sort of nature to reveal the true nature of a man.



Based on several of the responses given, it was clear the students were finally starting to truly understand the subject matter. The subjectivity of good and evil, of dark wizard and justified man, it wasn't as easy as drawing a line in the sand then stepping on either side of it. There were too many conditions, too many varying opinions--not all that got heard mind you--and human nature itself was much too complex for such a false dichotomy. This was something he'd been trying to get them to see without outright saying it himself in so many words. It was one thing to tell and another to have them come to the conclusion themselves after careful assessment of all the arguments presented.

"I'll say I'm pleased with where this discussion has veered." It moved from "if you kill, you're bad" to "there's no real labels" and scenarios in which the coin could be flipped either way. He liked to have tangible evidence of progress with his students. This shift in the way they answered questions was the sort he appreciated.

"It's extremely difficult to answer the question of who we consider dark wizards. Of course, make no mistake, there have been many throughout history who were righteous in there own eyes but caused great destruction and pain to others. There is true evil in this world." No one would or should debate that. Men who actively sought to cause chaos, those with a lust for the sorrow of others. "But it's equally dangerous to go throwing away such a weighted title based on such arbitrary, often hypocritical and unclear standards." Own a dark object, automatically dark. Bred a vicious creature, must themselves be vicious. It was all such a slippery slope and he hoped his students would leave here with a more balanced view of human behaviour and motivation.

"Right then, I think it's safe to move on. We'll be doing a small sort of activity to kick things off. I'd like each of you to come to the front and collect a piece of parchment. When you do, I'd also like you to get in position for a...mug shot of sorts." Here, Malachi paused to display a magical Polaroid camera. "Stand on the X there on the ground. You'll be creating your own wanted posters or 'criminal profiles'. Once you've received your picture, simply attach it to the top center of the parchment and fasten it with a tap of your wand. On the parchment, you'll state what you're wanted for. Get inside the minds of the rule makers." He hoped they remembered everything from the discussion. Not everyone would need to be a murderer to be placed on a wanted list and there were many avenues and back stories they could create that would outwardly set the wider public off on a tangent. He looked forward to seeing what they came up with. It would be interesting to see if they truly grasped the average wizard's perceptions of "dark magic" and the variety of people who would end up caught under that wide web.

"If you feel you're the sort who would have been caught and arrested, create a report instead, give yourself a sentence that you think Law Enforcement would find fitting based on the "crime" you've selected. Regardless of the sort of "criminal" you are," And yes, he did keep making air quotes to show them just how subjective it could all be, "I'd like you to state the driving motivation behind your crime. What drove you to whatever you ended up doing. How you carried it out. Get creative but keep it realistic." No explosions every other day in central London but never getting caught or in pursuit by MLE type deal . Actions had consequences. "You may work alone or have "partners in crime". Let's get started."


OOC: Time for the mini activity! For this portion, your student will take a mug shot, create a wanted poster or criminal report and work out the small details. They'll have to state the crime, the reason behind the crime, how they carried it out and what if any consequences were passed out. They can be as creative as they like. We'll be moving on again in anywhere from 36-48 hrs. You can complete this in as many posts as you want and don't need to wait for me to post Malachi to say they've gotten their picture taken.
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