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SPOILER!!: Students Quote:
Originally Posted by Anna Banana  Hmm...okay. So no using the spell as a distraction. Got it.
Sophie nodded along to the professor's words then listened to the rest of the discussion. This seemed to be a review lesson which was more than welcome seeing as this was the end of the school year. Sophie was exhausted and was just so ready for summer break to get here. Well...providing they could even make it OUT the castle in this weather.
So limits to conjuring... Sophie raised her hand. "I know you can't conjure food," she said. Then...why was conjuration so difficult? "I think conjuring is so difficult to do, because you can easily mess up. For example, if you're trying to create something really simple and safe, you could accidentally create something really dangerous, and then you're faced with trying to save yourself from it." Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaos.Doodles Own benefit? Was that a bad thing? It couldn't be because Bellaire said it was a good use! So clearly sometimes you just had to look out for yourself OKAY? Digesting the last question that was asked, the slightly less than half brownie said forgotten in front of him. Slowly, Kyroh raised his hand as words began to form in his brain.
"Um...isn't easier to change something into something else then to create something completely new?" Did that makes sense? It did to him. It was harder to make something from nothing essentially. It was KIND of what made Transfiguartion so COOL. Because you COULD do that. Quote:
Originally Posted by Mordred Yes. Conjuring an ice flower during the winter season. How can he forget that one, yeah? And limitations? Yes, there are limitations to conjuration, and Sophie was the first to mention one of th exceptions. Yeah, WHY can't they conjure food? That's simply illogical because you know, the convenience it'll give them yeah?
Anyway, hand up. "You can't conjure money, as well." Because if they can then they'd be FILTHY rich by now. "...and conjuration is hard because you're actually producing something out of nothing."
Hard. Very hard. Quote:
Originally Posted by lemon He was SO good at staying quiet, had anyone noticed? Especially when there were brownies in his mouth. But Bellaire seemed to be happy when people responded, so Dima gave it a go... after he finished his note taking, of course. And his food. Because that was obviously more important than CLASS.
"I never though conjuration was making something out of nothing, even though that's sorta what the definition of the word conjuration says. I always thought it was transfiguring THIN AIR into something. Otherwise it wouldn't be transfiguration, right?" Paaause. "I think thin air is just harder to work with than more tangible objects is all."
That sounded a bit off, but he TRIED, right? If Bellaire wanted to shut him up, another brownie would work. Quote:
Originally Posted by PhoenixStar The next question was a tough one. She took a bite of food while she thought about an answer. Food was helpful in lessons, Bellaire would see. As she chewed she listened to the answers the others were giving. It pretty much sounded like you couldn't conjure anything cool. If you couldn't do food and money, then what was the point? Why were things off limits?
She swallowed and then raised her hand. "I think it's so difficult because you have nothing to work with, and if you mess up and say the wrong word then you end up with a car on top of you instead of a card." IF you could even conjure those things. Rules, there were too many of them. Quote:
Originally Posted by Felixir After writing down a whole lot if notes, Toby raised his hand into the air for the next question.
"There's Gamp's Five Laws to Elemental Transfiguration, I think that's what it's called," he tried, giving as vague but also as specific answer that he could for that part. "And with it being more difficult, its kind of like muggle construction, isn't it? Usually it's a lot easier to modify something that exists than it is to build something from scratch. Maybe it's like that, but magical." Quote:
Originally Posted by Emms
Simon continued writing notes in his notebook when Bellaire asked the next question. When he was done, he listened to his fellow classmates answers about conjuration and its limitations. You couldn't conjugate food. That's what he knew. Well since Transfiguration was very specific that's probably why it was so hard to do. Conjugation is hard because you're producing it out of nothing- thin air. But also you had to be very precise when it came to the skill, right? This type of magic went against Newton's law of mass and conservation where mass cannot be created or destroyed and that it could only be converted.
Simon raised his hand. " It's easier to transfigure a mass, an object, into another form. Whereas creating something from nothing is much more difficult," he began and then paused. " I think its difficult because you have to be very precise and exact with each movement you make so that the conjugation works. You have to be able to pay attention to details. If you're lazy then bad things will happen," he said. Quote:
Originally Posted by TakemetotheBurrow Maddie sipped on her hot chocolate as Professor Bellaire went over the answers given, not at ALL surprised that hers had been a GOOD one. What good was magic if it couldn't HELP you accomplish your goals? Even if those goals included sabotaging things you didn't want to partake in.
The question about conjuration, though? That was a bit harder to explain. Maddie agreed about the thin air stuff. It was definitely harder to create something out of thin air because there was more brain power involved, or so SHE thought. Sadly not EVERYONE had enough brain power to accomplish such things and THAT'S when you got a car instead of a card, like girl had said.
"I read that conjured items only stay for a little while and then disappear again." Which was a limitation, mhm. As for why it was hard, Maddie added, "Plus it's advanced so it'd take quite a bit of time to get the hang of." Quote:
Originally Posted by ArianaBlack .... So that was a whole lot of notes to take down. The Gryffindor did his best to keep up, while still sneaking in bites of food as he went. It was starting to get pretty hard taking notes when there was beautiful hot chocolate just waiting to be sipped. Yet, the third year did his absolute best and tried to take down as much as he possibly could. It was just a little difficult keeping track of what everyone else had to say on the matter.
As for the next question, he stayed quiet at first listening to the other questions. Hearing Simon's addition, the Gryffindor raised his hand. "I agree with Simon, conjuring takes a lot more concentration because you're the one creating. You have to know exactly what you want it to look like," And that was all he could conjure up about the subject. Heh. Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlEcho63 Hazel shook her wrist out as the professor stopped talking. That was a lot of notes! She quickly added the heading, Limitations to Conjuring, and raised her hand.
"I heard that you can't conjure food do to Gamp's Five Laws of Transfiguration. Conjuring is supposed to be very hard since you have to be very specific and concentrate a lot." She hoped they didn't have to conjure something for the lesson, but it was supposed to be a theoretical lesson. She picked up her cup of hot chocolate and took a sip. Yum! Quote:
Originally Posted by Hey Ju Merlin... - or should she say Morgana instead? It sounded a lot cooler and Morgana was so powerful and a lady. Yeah, she'd say Morgana from now on. Mmmmhm.
Morgana! This class was getting a bit more complicated to follow. At least they weren't going to be doing any spell work, so Agatha had more chances of not making a fool or herself in front of people.
The young Slytherin was about to say the only thing she knew about the limitations of Transfiguration when Sophie Newell beat her to it. Again. UGH. That girl was always getting in the way. Agatha frowned at her before turning back to the board and thinking of an answer she could give. That's when EVERYBODY started saying LOADS of things, some of which Agatha DID know, she just hadn't remembered it fast enough to say before anyone else. Morgana, that was annoying!!
"Conjuring something is really hard because..." UUUGH, people had already said what she was going to say!! "...making something out of nothing is really hard, since you need to have a lot of creativity and concentrate a lot in order to get exactly what you want." She finished, very annoyed she couldn't think of anything new to say. And that talk about nothing vs. thin air was STRANGE, alright. Those little kids should quit it. Quote:
Originally Posted by ScarletCharm104 Marigold took more notes. She was happy for just a theory class, but it was just a theory class. Oh, well. She wished that it was a class she could actually sit back and relax in, though. This wasn't something she could doze off in. She was just so tired and worn out and bleh.
She finished her note-taking, paused, and raised her hand. Other students had already mentioned not being able to conjure food? Oh. She dropped her hand again, then promptly raised it again. "Can you conjure something that is alive? I don't think you can… but if you can, wouldn't that be creating new life?" Weird. Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry174 Angel looked at the Professor and smiled as she raised her hand. "Professor you can't conjure up food because of the Gamp's Five Laws of Transfiguration." Angel thought it would be awesome if you could conjure up food because it would help a lot of people but maybe if you could other people would be out of jobs because everyone would be always fed, so you wouldn't need shops or things like that. Quote:
Originally Posted by DaniDiNardo The small break they got to copy down the notes was a relief purely for the fact that while eating the Professor didn't expect them to pay nearly as much attention to what she was saying so FOOD. Didn't even have to pretend like she was paying attention and there would be no consequences.
Alexa munched on her chips, emptying her small bowl just when she got the last word copied onto her parchment....and they were already moving on? Really? She needed more chips first, but the Gryffindor didn't dare get up in the middle of the Professor's discussion so she contended herself with sipping her hot chocolate.
Marigold's question got her curious. "I always thought you couldn't conjure life but...doesn't avis conjure birds? Ones that move on their own and everything?" Did that count as life or.....?
"But I reckon it'd be hard because of what Zander said with the concentration thing. It'd take extra focus to be able to create something from nothing. It's not like when you already have ready material." Like rabbits to hats like they did one year. Quote:
Originally Posted by FearlessLeader19 Scribble....scribble...scribble...
Adi was making his notes. Yep. No matter he might be writing some of the same things he had written in previous lessons. Repetition can be good. But now he considered the next questions posed to them.
The third year raised his left hand, quill still in his grasp. "It is more difficult because we're producing an object out of no where.'' That was difficult. Very. Quote:
Originally Posted by hermionesclone Normally, Grayson found lessons that just required lectures and note-taking rather boring and tedious and he would have had a LOT of trouble taking part. BUT, this wasn't that bad. He was going to put it down to the fact that they had good because otherwise, something told him that he would have been bored out of his mind.
Sooooo munching and sipping were happening. And he wasn't spilling anything either. Or trying not to, which counted, thank you.
As for the question, the Slytherin sat back and let some of the other people answer while he tried to think of something to say. Why was conjuration more difficult? WELL. He liked Kyroh's simple answer so he was going to make a note of that. And something that Simon said triggered something in Grayson's memory. Something that no one else had mentioned before, thank Merlin. Now was his time to SHINE.
So, the hand went up in the air. "I always thought that conjuration was more difficult because there are so many things that can go wrong. Think about it: if you're faced with a task an you had a solution where a million and one things can go wrong, that task is gonna seem difficult to you." Whitty logic. "And SPEAKING of things going wrong, there's a certain law that explains why things can go wrong if you conjure living things out of thin air. Like giving them two heads and whatnot. Something about Quasi-Dominance." Quote:
Originally Posted by nanyjj Leah nodded, not noticing that she was nodding A LOT today. Oh, taking care of plants and animals, how could she not think of that? She sighed at her lack of deep thinking and took notes. Hopefully they were going to come up with a plan to stop this freakish cold this lesson. At least that was what Leah was thinking everyday.
She knew conjuration was hard, because she had tried that in the second lesson. But why was it so difficult? Silently, she flipped through her textbook to the chapter of conjuration. Finding a good fact, Leah raised her hand. "Lots of things can go wrong when you attempt transfigu - I mean, conjuration. That's why it's.. difficult?" Okayy that was lame but at least she spoke up. Quote:
Originally Posted by AlwaysSnapesGirl Quickly scribbling down the stuff on the board too, Penelope took another sip of hot chocolate before setting it down for a little bit. She could answer this question probably. Stuff she remembered from studying. So she raised her hand.
"Another limitation is magical objects. You can conjure a replica of what it looks like, but it won't have the magic that the actual one does." As for why conjuration was more difficult than other transfiguration spells? "I think it's more difficult because, even though all transfiguration requires focus and concentration and stuff, conjuration needs even more of that, since you're not just changing one thing into another. So if you're not completely focused on what it is you're wanting to conjure, it won't work or won't turn out right, which could be harmless or dangerous depending on what it is." Quote:
Originally Posted by Deezerz Beverly was jotting everything down, all right. Her quill traveled from left to right on her parchment, her cursive not as neat as it usually is. It was readable, just not...Beverly enough. It was more writing with purpose. Lots of purpose.
As for Conjuring, she raised her hand.
"The art of Conjuration is considered harder because you bring stuff into being. I think intent plays a big role in this. You have to know what you want, how you want and have a very well depict picture of it in order to be successful." Specificity. That's what you needed. "As to limitations...I think it's that something that is conjured doesn't last." Which was sort of a kick in the butt considering it requires a great deal of concentration. Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiara Lucy raised her hand and she said : " Professor I know it's dangerous because if something goes wrong you can do considerable damages especially on animals, mixing two differents species, for example.." Quote:
Originally Posted by Emzily Ooooh, ooh! Theodore knew this one! Somewhat, anyway. He confidently thrust his hand into the air, then answered with a much more dumb downed version of what was in his head. "You can't conjure money, right?" Because that would be ridiculous. Though if it were possible then Theo needed to know how.
"And..." As some others had already said but Theo wasn't listening to them, "Law is a limitation in Transfiguration. Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration." YEAH. He'd studied that and had learned the name off by heart and his face showed NOTHING but pride as he dropped his hand back down into his lap. Quote:
Originally Posted by the fastest seeker She may or may have not got distracted by the food. And she was ashamed to admit it even to herself. But really FOOD was good and she had not had breakfast so this was just what she needed. Did Bellaire know? Either way the woman did the snake a huge favor and probably she didn't know. So far Cassia was very contented by all the last lessons she's been to. They all proved to be fun and would serve as a great memory to look back on.
But now her attention was back on the professor. For real. She wasn't five. So what were they talking about again? Oh, hardest transfiguration branch. She raised her hand, after having swallowed that was in her mouth. "The bigger and complicated the item the harder it would be. Also, if there was textures of some kind. Because that would require more concentration and skill," had anyone said this already? She wouldn't know. She was eating. Quote:
Originally Posted by 2111jen Sense Jonas didnt know what, he figured he would answer why.
"Is it because humans aren't meant to change the weather?" Jonas sighed. It was probably wrong. But he didn't say. Comeing from a family who expects exceeds expectations, Jonas wasn't doing a very good job at this. He should know this.
Once again the students were right on the ball, for the most part at least. The Professor noted their response, mentally compiling them to add to the notes already placed on the board. It seemed to her this revision class wasn't needed after all. "As some of you have mentioned, food is one of five limitations to Transfiguration, another being money." As was stated by a few others. With a tap, this appeared on the board. "And the underlying reasoning behind the difficulty does lie in the level of power and concentration necessary to conjure things essentially out of thin air. Mr. Odessa brought up the point of imagination causing a stumbling block for the majority and this would of course fall under concentration; how well you can imagine the object you wish to conjure. Naturally a distracted or less creative mind would find conjuration a harder task." Something else that would be added to the notes however she did expect they would still be jotting things down on their own from time to time. Taking the initiative with their education. "Creating something where there was once nothing, for this reason, presents a challenge."
That was the basic reasoning behind it. "Your classmates also brought up the important point that things can go wrong during conjuration, something that is most often found when conjuring animals and explained by the Principle of Artificianimate Quasi-Dominance. Conjuration of animals, when not done right, could lead to anything from stumpy limbs to severed heads but we won't be touching too much on that today this being a revision lesson." Not to mention her unwillingness to deal with the overly sensitive among them. At the moment she was in a good mood. No need to change that. "Conjuration is not solely linked to weather Mr. Emery." Or was the boy still on the first question. The Professor sighed. It was the food, she knew it.
With another tap the notes on the board extended. Quote: Weather-Modifying Charms
An example: Stricidium Nubila
- Changes clouds to cumulonimbus ones
Uses of weather modifiers:
- Useful when weather is not the type you want
- Melting snow
- Distractions (depending)
- Caring for plants/animals
- Offering aid in extreme conditions
Conjuration
Limitation to Conjuration:
Gamps Law - Food, Money
- Essentially creating from thin air (nothing)
- Concentration and imagination are key
- A form of advanced magic
- Leaves room for anything to go wrong
"Finally, why do you think there are limitations in conjuration such as in the cases of money and food?"
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