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Goblinfrog · 10-02-2013, 11:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Melanie Roman

"As far as laws go, we need to be sure if they can abide by laws on their own, or if they need intervention. As many have pointed out, Trolls wouldn't be able to abide by our laws, including the Statute of Secrecy, in which Wizards take it upon ourselves to keep them out of sight of Muggles, and in their own community," Roman said, "Those who can abide in our laws, would probably like participation in them, to make sure that laws that effect even them, such as Goblins, are to their liking."

"I doubt that creatures who are unable to understand and participate in laws do care. Trolls, again, have their own communities that they seem quite happy in. And Knarls or Gnomes and such are probably none the wiser that they're missing out on them."

"Good," Roman smiled, "I think that was definitely the main - or one of the main - drives that led Wizards to make such classifications in the first place. To figure out what needs protection and guidance, to put it nicely, and what can keep themselves safe and away from Muggles."

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Melanie nodded her head at a few students. "Despite participation in the discussion, it seems you all, for the most part, agree with the Council's decision - the textbook definition." Which was a fair thing to agree with. It is, after all, what Wizardkind has abided by for hundreds of years.

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"And you two seem to agree that a beast is nothing more than something dangerous, or inhuman," she nodded at them, as well, to show that she was not judging them for their definitions. It was what she asked for, and quite enjoyed hearing.

"And you seem to be bordering between the two," Melanie smiled, "But I believe that is, in essence, the textbook definition. A beast is one either too vicious or lacking in the intelligent needed to help govern itself."

Melanie wasn't quite sure where Minerva was going with this. She pursed her lips and tried to understand. It seemed as if the young girl believed the 'being' status would be an award for meeting certain qualifications, and if that status was abused, they'd get bumped into a different classification as punishment. Which made her wonder if it would be the punishment of a single creature, or of the entire species for one's actions. Or if Minerva was thinking of something along the lines of a Goblin rebellion, where the entire species uprises and revolts. It was all very interesting.

For the sake of keeping the debate as it was, as a glance at her watch showed that Melanie needed to be getting the class moving, she mentally grouped Minerva with those who agreed with the textbook definition, but refrained from asking her questions.

"That is a very good point, as well. Would a Kneazle that bites be considered vicious, just as vicious, or harmless compared to a Troll or otherwise grouped beast? I'm sure many would have differing opinions on that, just as we have differing opinions in class right now. As Ella had said, there will never be a true consensus and without exceptions."

As for his question...

..."Adrienne is correct. Centaurs and Merpeople are not exactly considered threatening, as they understand their violent natures, but chose of their own accord to not participate in Wizarding laws. Which has worked out fine thus far."

Now this student, Roman didn't believe was properly informed. She received a smile along with her answer, "I believe that Centaurs and Merpeople weren't necessarily disallowed to be classified as beings. They simply chose to govern themselves, and, as you put it, being as smart as any human, Wizards were okay with following their wishes." Did that make more sense? They weren't barred from being 'beings', but were simply happier that way.

She also didn't think it was fair to say they threw a tantrum or were letting emotion rule definition. It was a logical compromise.

"Exactly. There are always exceptions. Some have chosen to be exempt, even." Ella, not only was aware of the textbook definition, but was able to recognize that not everything fit clean cut into it. And never would, most importantly.

"On that note, let's move on with the lesson." It had been a good ten minutes of discussion, but also ten minutes of precious time taken away from what they were really going to learn about. "If anyone would like to discuss this further, I'd be happy to do so in my office, during your own time." Now, was lesson time.

"My next question is also to find out how much you know about Creatures in general. So, what are the Ministry of Magic Classifications for beasts? And what does each level mean?"

She didn't think the professor understood what she said, so she sneaked a comment in before answering the latest question. "I know that they could be beings if they wanted to, but I don't see why we had to allow them to be classified as "beasts" in the first place. Because they didn't want to be compared to vampires, now anyone reading the book would see the XXXXX beside them. I think that might create stereotypes, because centaurs are civilized and it is not really fair to say that they are all very dangerous and need to be approached with great care. Centaurs and merpeople can easily just think of themselves as beasts if they want, but I don't see why that should get in the way of official labels." Raven didn't even get why they were so offended to be compared to vampires. Now instead they were compared to giant evil snakes and spiders.

But back to the latest question the professor had asked. She didn't know if you were allowed to read from a textbook, but she decided to try. Pulling the Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them from her backpack, she opened up to page xxii and began reading:

XXXXX Known wizard killer / impossible to train or domesticate

XXXX Dangerous / requires specialist knowledge / skilled wizard may handle

XXX Competent wizard should cope

XX Harmless / may be domesticated

X Boring

When she finished, she said "I don't think it is fair to call a creature boring." Just saying.

10-02-2013, 11:52 PM	#68 (permalink)
Goblinfrog DIMC & MO Billywig Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Riley's Brain Posts: 3,262 Hogwarts RPG Name: Lola A. Second Year	Mischievous Niffler Quote: Originally Posted by Melanie Roman "As far as laws go, we need to be sure if they can abide by laws on their own, or if they need intervention. As many have pointed out, Trolls wouldn't be able to abide by our laws, including the Statute of Secrecy, in which Wizards take it upon ourselves to keep them out of sight of Muggles, and in their own community," Roman said, "Those who can abide in our laws, would probably like participation in them, to make sure that laws that effect even them, such as Goblins, are to their liking." "I doubt that creatures who are unable to understand and participate in laws do care. Trolls, again, have their own communities that they seem quite happy in. And Knarls or Gnomes and such are probably none the wiser that they're missing out on them." "Good," Roman smiled, "I think that was definitely the main - or one of the main - drives that led Wizards to make such classifications in the first place. To figure out what needs protection and guidance, to put it nicely, and what can keep themselves safe and away from Muggles." Text Cut: Answers Melanie nodded her head at a few students. "Despite participation in the discussion, it seems you all, for the most part, agree with the Council's decision - the textbook definition." Which was a fair thing to agree with. It is, after all, what Wizardkind has abided by for hundreds of years. Text Cut: Other answers "And you two seem to agree that a beast is nothing more than something dangerous, or inhuman," she nodded at them, as well, to show that she was not judging them for their definitions. It was what she asked for, and quite enjoyed hearing. "And you seem to be bordering between the two," Melanie smiled, "But I believe that is, in essence, the textbook definition. A beast is one either too vicious or lacking in the intelligent needed to help govern itself." Melanie wasn't quite sure where Minerva was going with this. She pursed her lips and tried to understand. It seemed as if the young girl believed the 'being' status would be an award for meeting certain qualifications, and if that status was abused, they'd get bumped into a different classification as punishment. Which made her wonder if it would be the punishment of a single creature, or of the entire species for one's actions. Or if Minerva was thinking of something along the lines of a Goblin rebellion, where the entire species uprises and revolts. It was all very interesting. For the sake of keeping the debate as it was, as a glance at her watch showed that Melanie needed to be getting the class moving, she mentally grouped Minerva with those who agreed with the textbook definition, but refrained from asking her questions. "That is a very good point, as well. Would a Kneazle that bites be considered vicious, just as vicious, or harmless compared to a Troll or otherwise grouped beast? I'm sure many would have differing opinions on that, just as we have differing opinions in class right now. As Ella had said, there will never be a true consensus and without exceptions." As for his question... ..."Adrienne is correct. Centaurs and Merpeople are not exactly considered threatening, as they understand their violent natures, but chose of their own accord to not participate in Wizarding laws. Which has worked out fine thus far." Now this student, Roman didn't believe was properly informed. She received a smile along with her answer, "I believe that Centaurs and Merpeople weren't necessarily disallowed to be classified as beings. They simply chose to govern themselves, and, as you put it, being as smart as any human, Wizards were okay with following their wishes." Did that make more sense? They weren't barred from being 'beings', but were simply happier that way. She also didn't think it was fair to say they threw a tantrum or were letting emotion rule definition. It was a logical compromise. "Exactly. There are always exceptions. Some have chosen to be exempt, even." Ella, not only was aware of the textbook definition, but was able to recognize that not everything fit clean cut into it. And never would, most importantly. "On that note, let's move on with the lesson." It had been a good ten minutes of discussion, but also ten minutes of precious time taken away from what they were really going to learn about. "If anyone would like to discuss this further, I'd be happy to do so in my office, during your own time." Now, was lesson time. "My next question is also to find out how much you know about Creatures in general. So, what are the Ministry of Magic Classifications for beasts? And what does each level mean?" She didn't think the professor understood what she said, so she sneaked a comment in before answering the latest question. "I know that they could be beings if they wanted to, but I don't see why we had to allow them to be classified as "beasts" in the first place. Because they didn't want to be compared to vampires, now anyone reading the book would see the XXXXX beside them. I think that might create stereotypes, because centaurs are civilized and it is not really fair to say that they are all very dangerous and need to be approached with great care. Centaurs and merpeople can easily just think of themselves as beasts if they want, but I don't see why that should get in the way of official labels." Raven didn't even get why they were so offended to be compared to vampires. Now instead they were compared to giant evil snakes and spiders. But back to the latest question the professor had asked. She didn't know if you were allowed to read from a textbook, but she decided to try. Pulling the Fantastic Beasts and Where To Find Them from her backpack, she opened up to page xxii and began reading: XXXXX Known wizard killer / impossible to train or domesticate XXXX Dangerous / requires specialist knowledge / skilled wizard may handle XXX Competent wizard should cope XX Harmless / may be domesticated X Boring When she finished, she said "I don't think it is fair to call a creature boring." Just saying.