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There is nothing out of the ordinary as you approach the History of Magic classroom for today's lesson. Of course, the large Make an Entrance Respectfully is still hanging outside the door as it is pretty much a fixture by now. As always, Professor Glendower leaves that up to her students as to how they want to interpret the words' meaning.
There is no music coming from the classroom today as one might expect to hear at times, unless you count the song Professor Glendower is softly singing along to the music in her head as she looks over the notes for class at her podium, "...I can tell that we are going to be friends.."
Orr... is that Professor Glendower? Her hair seems a bit darker and it is much longer - floor length as a matter of fact. And it almost seems that her skin has taken on a greenish tinge. But other than that nothing is out of the ordinary and once students arrive, she looks up and gives a great big smile before greeting.
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Jasmine listened as her classmates gave their answers to the Professor's second question or set of questions. She took notes as they went along, all the while coming up with her own thoughts on the matter. Then she raised her hand and waited to be called on.
"I agree with Ruby. People always try to fit everyone and everything into neat little categories. I think it gives them a sense of order and maybe a sense of control. The problem is the categorizations may or may not be accurate. Maybe centaurs and merpeople chose not to let others define who they are.". Jasmine knew a thing or two about being categorized and if it was one thing she had learned, it was to never let anyone define her.
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A few things happened... Angel opened up her big fat mouth again, and AJ was just about to say something else when she felt Adi squeeze her arm. She was aware that she was in class, but Angel started running her mouth, and AJ was not one to just sit back and take it. Once her eyes locked on his, she breathed deeply and didn't say anything further. Truthfully, this wasn't getting her anywhere anyways. Then the professor offered to talk to them both. Umm... she didn't know if she wanted to do that since what she did to Angel could get her into big trouble mister. "Thanks professor."
Still, slightly annoyed AJ was having a hard time understanding what the question was. So, they weren't supposed to be talking about the ministry rankings for how dangerous a creature was, but what kind of creatures fit into certain categories? Annnnnd she was confused again, and the whole thing with Angel wasn't helping anything.
People were talking about choosing... ummm... "Sooo, they get to choose what category they belong to?" What about the creatures that can't talk? Did wizards just pull something out of a hat for them? It was official. AJ was lost.
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Somehow Lex hadn't gotten that when the Professor asked the first question but that was probably because she was so busy trying to contain her sudden relief at the Professor still being normal. At least this time when she wasn't paying attention, it was for good reasons, one the Professor would understand if she was her. There was too much crazy going on around this place now.
Having gotten a better understanding, she made an attempt at the second question asked. The classification purpose.
"For the most part, I think it's to protect ourselves from the more vicious creatures in society. When you label something a beast, they don't hold council and can't help us make laws. I'm pretty sure they have a bunch of other restrictions too and because of those, we're less likely to be mauled or eaten. See, centaurs and merepeople aren't that dangerous but they weren't originally given the title beast either, they asked for it. Left to us, they'd have been labelled 'safe for interaction' or whatever."
Or, she didn't know but that was what she thought.
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Huuuuuh? Professor Glendower didn't even deny the cootie stuff. So did that meant that some people actually did have them? And what were the symptoms and was there a vaccination for this? Real important stuff to know. But they kind of moved on now so there was really no point in bringing it up again. So instead, the Gryffindor waited for the next question.
"Professor," he said raising his hand, "What about creatures like kneazles and Cruppies(!!)?" There was definitely a glow in his eyes when he said 'cruppie'. Ahem. He was totally getting a secret one over the summer. Just had to figure out how to hide it from his parents was all, but that was a minor detail. Anyways. "I mean, I guess they could be beasts.... But, what about the ones that are pets? Are they beasts too?"
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Angel looked at Benny as he told her this wasn't the time or the place... well maybe that was true and since AJ wasn't being silly or stupid she would listen to him and would forget about her beef with her sister. "Okay Ben." Angel whispered to him, everything was okay on her end.
"Thanks Professor." Angel was sure that if the Professor heard everything they both could be in big trouble mister and even though she was angry with her sister she would tell tales and maybe some of it was her fault... not that she would tell her sister that.
Angel raised her hand "Maybe so that everything has a place." Angel sighed, she was upset with herself for allowing things to get this far out of control and she was actually finding it hard to concentrate on the lesson.
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Yeah, he got it, he was dumb. Whatever. Not the classification thingy then, FINE. Zeke sat, listening and copying down answers from the board, it was the only way he'd get them.. he supposed.
Beasts – some have speech but most don’t, can be vicious or savage, no input in magical laws
Dragons
Trolls
Werewolves (during transformation)
Merpeople
Spirits
Ghosts
Poltergeists
Grogan Stump - Minister for Magic credited with instating current classification system and definitions
As for OTHER creatures they could add to these things? Hhmmmm... Zeke's arm shot into the air. "Professor, would Sphinxes fit in our category? Cause they're super smart, with all their riddles and things?" Just a thought. But really he was kinda disengaged. Didn't see how this was HISTORY, so until it was made clear, he would just... make do.
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Wow. Just wow. There sure was a lot of talking happening today and quite the bit of notes to be taken. Reaching for her parchment she got her quill ready and began to take down the notes as they appeared on the board. When she'd had all that down she listened to what the others were answering and wrote down what they'd said.
So much was being said at once she was having some difficulty keeping everything straight. Focusing on her note taking for the moment Hady choose not to attempt an answer to this question. At least not at this very moment.
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He was waiting, and listening, and then it hit him.
It hit him like a bludger to the face!!!!!
Hand shooting straight up, again, he eyed the Professor with suppressed anticipation. "Professor.... are you a hag?!" he asked, before realising that probably sounded RUDE. "I mean, dressed like one... is that part of this whole creatures thing?" Never mind the fact that he still didn't understand the historical relevance...
"Basiliks are evil" Puck muttered and shuddered slightly as she sat there and took her notes. Gosh those creepy chicken eggs turned snake never gave her a good feeling. They were just, evil. Raising her hand Puck asked “Professor, is there anything more to just the creatures and beasts that we are learning about?” She asked carefully, “What I was basically wondering is, whether the connection to Newt Scamander’s Fantastic Beasts and where to find them is coincidental or if that is more what we are learning about today? As most of these creatures were discovered by Scamander himself.” She asked and put her hand back down as quietly as she had raised it.
Beasts – some have speech but most don’t, can be vicious or savage, no input in magical laws
Dragons
Trolls
Werewolves (during transformation)
Merpeople
Spirits
Ghosts
Poltergeists
Grogan Stump - Minister for Magic credited with instating current classification system and definitions
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"Acromantulas are beasts, Professor." Maddie hadn't taken Care of Magical Creatures YET but she was an avid reader so she DID have some knowledge about creatures, magical AND mundane. Also, she DISLIKED spiders very much. Her skin had goosebumps just THINKING about giant ones who ATE people but she was used to keeping it together. Better to get this out of the way herself. "They can speak but they also will EAT you which makes them rather disagreeable. Imagine sitting down with one of THOSE to make a law?" You'd likely find yourself in their belly after a short time, she guessed.
With an approving smile, Professor Glendower nodded at Maddie as she gave her answers. ”They absolutely are beasts,” she agreed. ”And you’re correct. They do have the ability of speech, but that is not the only requirement to be classified as a being. Because they are vicious enough to eat a human, they have been classified as beasts. So probably not a good idea to give them input in our laws.” No, she did not want to envision what kinds of laws those giant spiders could come up with, especially if it involved their appetites.
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The Ravenclaw timidly raised her hand. "I think Centaurs would definitely be in the 'Being' classification, Professor." She said softly. They were the first creatures she had thought of when she saw the word 'beings.' Well, besides humans, of course. As for the other questions..hmm.."Well..I think we'd need the classifications because you can't deal with 'beings' problems the way you can deal with, say, a 'spirits' problem. The two are much too different..." she said with a nod. "Need to be able to handle everyone efficiently." It wasn't...a perfect answer. but Eden had SUCH a hard time putting her thoughts into words most times.
Nessa nodded thoughtfully as Eden was the next to provide an answer. “One would typically think of centaurs as beings.. though they are actually classified as beasts.” Was that a surprise to the young lady? Perhaps.. as they fit closer to one than the other. “Their intelligence would certainly put them in the Beings category, but they preferred not to be put there.” As for the rest of her answer.. ”I think that’s a good way to look at it.. different categories could easier meet different needs..”
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He released her arm so he could begin taking his notes. While Adi did this, he considered the questions. "A Banshee is considered a Spirit, Professor. I think we need these classifications since they vary from other classifications because of their traits and will need to be dealt with based on the respective groups they are put into.'' Did that make sense to the Professor? Because in his head, it did.
”Why yes, we arrree,” Nessa told Adi in a spooky voice and a knowing smile. And the next part of his answer was quite similar to what Eden had just offered so she nodded in response. ”Good, perhaps they are that way to best serve the needs of those specific creatures or beings.”
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Kace understood what the professor was trying to get at. He was a bit off topic at first. He thought about what creatures could fit into the list. He thought of beasts at first but then came up with something else. "Professor I know Goblins would go under beings since they are intelligent. But I have a question, would boggarts go under the spirits or beasts since they show us our worst fear?" He was just being a curious puff is all. He hoped he answered the question right the second time around.
Nessa turned her brown eyes to Kace next as he know seemed to be back on track. Listening to his answer, she nodded. ”Goblins are very intelligent,” she agreed. ”And they do fall under the Beings category.” Not the most friendly though, but that was not a determining factor. She gave him a knowing smile as he continued. ”Boggarts are neither.” Maybe a bit cryptic, but it did have to do with the lesson which he would find out soon enough.
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Ian thought about how muggles were classified by their own governments and what purposes were served in that capacity. He raised his hand and gave the following response.
Muggle governments classify people by their status in society. This helps the governments understand how best to meet needs and control different portions of the population. Ian didn't want to get overly political in his response, but it just happened. I would think the ministry would have the same purpose in mind. How does one control something unless it is provided a label and understood how best to 'deal' with that particular group? Ian had added the air quotes when he said the word deal to indicate a sarcastic use of the word. Perhaps not the most politic way to say it, but it's kind of how he viewed the whole classification thing. Governments had been doing it for thousands of years, the most basic classification being 'us' and 'not us'.
Nessa listened as Ian was the next to offer a very insightful answer. She could sense the hint of sarcasm in his voice and could understand why he might feel that way. Sometimes the government did want to compartmentalize more than empathize. ”Something of a double-edged sword, isn’t it?” she smiled kindly at the boy. ”On one hand it can be a good thing to help best meet the needs of a specific group but at the same time it can be simply a way to label someone and give a sense of control over a group.” She didn’t so much buy into the anti-government control issues as some others might, but she did know about unfair labels.
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At the next question he raised his hand super high, suddenly quite enthusiastic because there was something he KNEW ABOUT THIS. It was all rather exciting, because Toby was awful at remembering History facts, but he supposed his studying was helping.
"Eden said about centaurs, Professor. And they're considered Beings and all that, but they refused it, for the same reason that the merpeople did, because they didn't like sharing with certain other Beings, and said the prefer to be called Beasts. Sooooo... I guess sometimes it doesn't actually matter what the requirements of a category is, if they prefer to be in another one." Toby lowered his hand and began to fidget with his quill, twirling it between his fingers. "And the classifications get re-... re-thingied all the time. Re-decided, I mean. Beings used to be classified as things that can walk on two legs, but there was a bit of a disaster when they tried to have a meeting to discuss laws and stuff. So yeah... it changes all the time. I guess they decide the classifications based on what has or hasn't already worked."
Nessa smiled upon Toby as he looked quite willing to offer an answer, giving him a nod to call on him. Oh yes, she was quite pleased with the Hufflepuff’s contributions today as she was hoping that someone would bring that very point up. Hopefully the rest of the class was paying attention to this. ”Yes, you are correct..” she began with a wide smile. ”Centaurs and Merpeople would be considered beings as they certainly have the higher intelligence needed for that.. but they had something of a dispute where they did not want the same categorization as certain other beings..” Awfully discriminatory if you asked her and she frowned a bit at the thought. ”And it has been changed several times to get to the point where we are today..” Sometimes it was a learning experience to see what did or didn’t work. ”We are going to talk a bit about events that have happened to help shape where the current classifications lie today.”
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Spiders were beasties. Ghosts were... spirit things. And people were beings. Human... beings. So that one was easy. But there were some that were complicated, and Dot was drawing little lines between the beasts and being categories and then scratching her head with her quill.
There was ink in her hair. Oops.
"What about house elves? Those are like... thinking things and sometimes real bossy, but do they have their own will? And what's the point, then? If you say something is a being, are they allowed to buy stuff? Live in a house? Use a wand? I don't get the point."
Dot was a curious little girl, wasn’t she? Nessa could certainly appreciate that and she fixed the Slytherin with a smile as she listened to her questions. ”House-elves are placed into the Beings category because of their intelligence and ability to speak.” They’d also be permitted some input into shaping laws, but how much? ”The point is something that we are going to explore and discuss.. often beings or beasts have specific rights or protections depending on where they are placed.” They would talk about that in just a minute and it would also be up to each of them to explore a little more in depth individually.
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A lot of questions were coming at them, and Lux raised her hand to answer one of them. "Basilisks are beasts."
”That they are,” she replied to Lux, adding that information on the board as well. She hoped for something a little more substantial from the girl but she was not incorrect.
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Zahra was eying the board, shaking her head in that WISTFUL way. "Man, Professor.... it'd be so cool if dragons COULD talk."
Like really man. Imagine riding a fire breathing lizard to work then telling it to go pick you up a burrito for lunch? Yeah. Amazing.
"But like... okay get this. If government has set categories then like why are these creatures CHOOSING where they want to go? If the shoe fits - wear it, you know? Centaurs and merpeople need to suck it up. SUCK IT UP LIKE VAMPIRES, who are beings I think. THAT or I'm gonna move that we as wizards and witches go and be spirits 'cause they just do WHATEVS like all day everyday." See Peeves for example!
Well, a talking dragon would be kinda cool.. Nessa could certainly agree with that. But she listened as Zahra continued. She could actually see both sides of it. ”Perhaps they just didn’t like to be categorized at all. Often people don’t like the labels others choose for them and maybe they felt that this was humankind’s way of controlling them. They chose to not accept the Being status partially because they didn’t want to be classified with certain others who were in their category but also because they wanted to keep their affairs to themselves without Wizarding government involvement.” It did make some sense to her if she really thought about it. ”I suppose if they present a compelling enough argument, the Ministry will carefully consider each case.” Or else if someone strongly objected they could have a serious problem on their hands.
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Ruby wasn't paying any attention to the board, as usual, but she did think the discussion was interesting so she was all for it. Her hand went up after a moment or two.
"I think maybe it was good intentions to start with, like probably it was about a ton of different things, wizard safety and creature rights both, you know? But I also think its maybe because people feel the need to categorize things all the time, and maybe it was a little bit about trying to neatly fit things so they were definable. I mean maybe they only had three rooms at the ministry that they could use for the divisions, or they couldn't decide which person out of three to give a promotion to, you know? It could've been something like that behind the original decision to make up the different categories." Who knew really?
"But I also think that the ones that said they don't want to be beings because they object to being beings with ones that are beings that they don't like, they sort of are still beings no matter what? Like they are still influencing laws and stuff just by objecting to them, and I don't think that it makes sense to just 'let' them be classed as something that they aren't, especially when it proves they're what they object to being called." It was dumb, basically. Ruby fell quiet, not used to saying so much in class. She went back to... not taking notes.
Goodness, what an insightful answer from Ruby.. Nessa was quite pleased with her thoughtfulness. After listening a moment and think over her answer, she said, ”Yes, I think there are some benefits to the classification system and they are things that the Ministry hoped to accomplish in the beginning – rights, privileges, and protections. But at the same time it’s typically human nature to make things fit into categories as it’s easier to make sense of things.” Was that always fair? Certainly not, but that was part of the reason so much of it was disputed.. even if it was flawed, it was a system with benefits and disadvantages. Nothing was perfect, but part of the reason to continually evaluate things was that it could evolve into something better. And she nodded as the girl continued, thinking she knew what she meant. ”No, it doesn’t really make much sense, because they still technically fall under that classification even with their objections.. I think it was more an issue of respect by the council to give them what they wanted and to allow them to conduct themselves separately.” Because honestly, it made no sense for them to not want to be grouped with hags, but they did not object to being grouped with acromantulas?
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A silent moment's careful deliberation with him self later, he'd decided to take a gander at the last one. Why would we need to organize critters this way? Raising his hand, he presented his answer to the professor. "Surely when deciding who gets to vote on magical laws and such, a classification system like this would be invaluable." He began, shrugging his shoulders slightly. "We can't exactly have grindylows- He paused, pondering the correct pluralization of the word 'grindylow'. Grindylowe? Grindylli? - Anyway:"We can't exactly have grindylows and Cornish pixies voting for health-care reform, can we?" He smiled and sat back, rather pleased with his answer.
Nessa smiled as she called on Andrew, soon nodding at his answer. ”That would be one benefit to having such a system… giving the responsibility of voting on and creating laws to those most capable.” And she’d agree.. she’d rather not leave that up to grindylows and Cornish pixies.
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Grayson, unsurprisingly, had another answer that was linked to conflict and opinions. Kinda. So, his hand went up in the air. "The reason I think we have these classifications is so that there's an order. Some organised way of looking at creatures, I guess. There's one for mundane creatures so why shouldn't there be one for magical ones as well?" Shrug. "Besides, we kinda need it in place. It's much easier to remember these categories and to know what they roughly stand for than the ones saying how dangerous a creature is. You say the word 'Beast' and people are more likely to think of a monstrous creature they should stay away from, even if they don't know ho dangerous they are."
"It also creates a sense of hierarchy. Beings are more likely to be higher up the hierarchy and therefore have more power." Just saying.
After calling on Greyson, Nessa listened a moment to his answer. ”Yes, I think that it is in human nature to crave a sort of organization, a way to classify things and make sense of their order.” She would agree with him there. Beast was really a more general term and did not always mean dangerous though, even if the dangerous ones did end up there. And as for the hierarchy… ”In a sense, yes.. though it’s not always that literal, it’s more complex than that.” Though many people thought along the same lines as Greyson just pointed out.
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He raised his hand as he considered it. "Maybe letting them choose is like...a sign of respect or something? Centaurs and merpeople are probably pretty helpful for some things, but they might not ever help us with anything if we didn't respect them enough to not classify them with vampires and hags and all those things they don't like. So that could be why. Or part of the reason anyway." Because there could be more to it than just that. He didn't know.
Nessa nodded to call on David, then smiled at his answer. ”That is a very big part of why they were permitted to opt out of the classification they were offered – respect. And that is why they are given a higher rating in the Magical Creatures rating, not because they are so dangerous or vicious, but because they are to be respected.” Though she really felt all creatures should be respected.
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She sat listening to the other answers, contemplating whether she should raise her hand and humiliate herself even further. "Chimeras are beasts 'cause they're definitely vicious AND savage." There. That was right, wasn't it? And not funny or stupid? Suddenly confused, Norah's hand shot back into the air. "But why would a being WANT to be a beast? Doesn't it make more sense for them to want to be beings so they can make the rules?" Why would anybody ever give up an opportunity to be the boss?
Professor Glendower nodded as Norah gave her answer. ”Yes.. Chimeras are quite vicious and definitely are Beasts..” And more to say? Nessa called on her again as she saw her hand raise once more. [b]”That would seem most logical, wouldn’t it?” she began, hearing her question. ”But it was more of a statement made by those particular species saying that they wouldn’t be defined by certain terms and grouped with certain others as if they were the same. Some see it as discriminatory… but also, they have their own laws and societies that they choose to keep separate.”
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Marigold followed along, taking notes, before thoughtfully considering the question. "Flobberworms are beasts." She knew that one. Which was weird, not that she knew that the fact that flobberworms which were soo boring, were under a title along with dragons and chimeras? Anyway, Marigold listened attentively to Ruby's point, then raised her hand. "I think they can choose because, ultimately, wizards 'n witches aren't going to... y'know... force them one way or another. We prefer being in charge anyway. But allowing them the choice... I mean, it's probably one less thing for the ministry workers to worry about, right?"
”They are..” Nessa gave a slight nod, then added that to the board. And good, she had more than that to contribute. ”Sure.. I think if they provided a valid enough argument, that they wouldn’t be forced into what they didn’t want..” No matter how little sense it made.. but people likely knew what they technically were.
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"I agree with Ruby. People always try to fit everyone and everything into neat little categories. I think it gives them a sense of order and maybe a sense of control. The problem is the categorizations may or may not be accurate. Maybe centaurs and merpeople chose not to let others define who they are.". Jasmine knew a thing or two about being categorized and if it was one thing she had learned, it was to never let anyone define her.
Nessa smiled at Jasmine’s answer. ”I think you have a very good point.. People often like to categorize things to give a sense of order. But it’s not always a good thing to let others define you.” And that was true even outside the Ministry classifications.
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People were talking about choosing... ummm... "Sooo, they get to choose what category they belong to?" What about the creatures that can't talk? Did wizards just pull something out of a hat for them? It was official. AJ was lost.
”For the most part no, not necessarily..” There needed to be a very good and valid reason for that. And Nessa hoped that Aubrey was paying attention. It seemed whatever issue she and her sister were having was affecting her concentration and attention today.
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"For the most part, I think it's to protect ourselves from the more vicious creatures in society. When you label something a beast, they don't hold council and can't help us make laws. I'm pretty sure they have a bunch of other restrictions too and because of those, we're less likely to be mauled or eaten. See, centaurs and merepeople aren't that dangerous but they weren't originally given the title beast either, they asked for it. Left to us, they'd have been labelled 'safe for interaction' or whatever."
Nessa nodded as she heard Alexa’s answer next. ”Yes, that is a part of it too.. classifying certain creatures as Beasts does offer a sense of protection for Beings for some of those very reasons.. And no, they weren’t given that title originally, but they do have a rather high rating. That is not for apparent danger though, it’s more for a sign of respect.” She doubted very much that centaurs or merpeople cared about that though.
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"Professor," he said raising his hand, "What about creatures like kneazles and Cruppies(!!)?" There was definitely a glow in his eyes when he said 'cruppie'. Ahem. He was totally getting a secret one over the summer. Just had to figure out how to hide it from his parents was all, but that was a minor detail. Anyways. "I mean, I guess they could be beasts.... But, what about the ones that are pets? Are they beasts too?"
Nessa looked at Zander for a moment, not sure of what he meant until he continued. ”They aren’t vicious necessarily.. But yes, they are given Beast classification. Not everything in that category is vicious, but they neither have speech nor higher intelligence.” So no input in creating laws.
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Angel raised her hand "Maybe so that everything has a place." Angel sighed, she was upset with herself for allowing things to get this far out of control and she was actually finding it hard to concentrate on the lesson.
”In the most basic of terms, yes..” she said, but that had pretty much been answered. This sister seemed distracted as well. Hopefully she was at least taking good notes.
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As for OTHER creatures they could add to these things? Hhmmmm... Zeke's arm shot into the air. "Professor, would Sphinxes fit in our category? Cause they're super smart, with all their riddles and things?" Just a thought. But really he was kinda disengaged. Didn't see how this was HISTORY, so until it was made clear, he would just... make do.
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Hand shooting straight up, again, he eyed the Professor with suppressed anticipation. "Professor.... are you a hag?!" he asked, before realising that probably sounded RUDE. "I mean, dressed like one... is that part of this whole creatures thing?" Never mind the fact that he still didn't understand the historical relevance...
”That’s a good way to think of it, Zeke,” she started, once she heard the boy’s answer. ”Sphinxes are very smart and have the power of speech… but they are also very vicious so because of that, they are placed within the Beast category.” She was about to call on another raised hand when she saw Zeke’s hand in the air again. Nodding, she called on him, then smiled a bit secretively. ”You are very close!”Wink.
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So much was being said at once she was having some difficulty keeping everything straight. Focusing on her note taking for the moment Hady choose not to attempt an answer to this question. At least not at this very moment.
And it seemed that those were all the answers she was going to get for now. Brown eyes swept over the room once more, noticing Hadleigh taking notes. She gave her an approving smile before moving on.
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"Basiliks are evil" Puck muttered and shuddered slightly as she sat there and took her notes. Gosh those creepy chicken eggs turned snake never gave her a good feeling. They were just, evil. Raising her hand Puck asked “Professor, is there anything more to just the creatures and beasts that we are learning about?” She asked carefully, “What I was basically wondering is, whether the connection to Newt Scamander’s Fantastic Beasts and where to find them is coincidental or if that is more what we are learning about today? As most of these creatures were discovered by Scamander himself.” She asked and put her hand back down as quietly as she had raised it.
Nessa blinked and remained silent for a moment after hearing Puck’s answer. She thought she had cleared up the confusion that a handful of them had by not being sure what classification system she was talking about, but perhaps not. ”No, dear.. we are not talking about Newt Scamander in this class,” she said after taking a deep breath. ”In fact we are not really learning in depth about creatures that fall under the Beast heading at all. It seems that you are narrowing your focus.. we are not just discussing Beasts, but also Beings and Spirits, the events that led up to the classification system and advantages and disadvantages to being classified as they are.” She wasn’t sure why the girl was so focused on the Beast category but that was such a small part of what the class was about. She hoped she would pay closer attention now.
Were they all on the same page now? Nessa certainly hoped so, but she wasn’t completely sure all of them were paying attention. She did receive some very insightful answers so perhaps they were. She added a few things to the board to fill it in with things she felt necessary but had not heard from the class before turning to them all again.
”Alright.. some great, insightful answers today!” She beamed at the class, proud of their thoughtfulness. ”So we’ve started to think of some reasons for why creatures, whether they be human or not, are categorized by the Ministry.. some of the advantages and disadvantages. Perhaps specific needs of a group are better met this way.. it can provide rights, privileges, and protections.. but it can also be discriminatory as well. Does one group hold more power or think they are better? Perhaps that is necessary though.. But as we saw with centaurs and merpeople, they not only refused to be classified with species they did not want to be associated with, but they prefer to keep their affairs to themselves. These are things that we will explore in an activity very soon.. as well as your homework. But for now, I have one more question for you to answer to help us understand these classifications a little better before we move on to the activity.”
She paused for a moment to take a breath and for dramatic pause to make sure they were paying attention. ”What I’ve listed on the board are the current definitions of Being, Beast, and Spirit. This is what is generally accepted today, but these definitions have undergone several changes throughout history due to several disputes about their meanings and who was to be included. So if you could each mention something about any of the earlier disputes over this classification system, why they were disputed, or what any of the previous definitions were.. That will help us understand a little more about what Grogan Stump put in place for us a couple hundred years ago and stands today.. though maybe not everyone agrees with it.”
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Beings (any creature that has sufficient intelligence to understand the laws of the magical community and to bear part of the responsibility in shaping those laws)
Wizards/Witches
Veela
House-Elves
Goblins
Vampires
Werewolves (in human form/untransformed)
Beasts (a magical creature that does not have sufficient intelligence to understand the laws of the magical community nor bear part of the responsibility in shaping those laws)
– some have speech but most don’t, can be vicious or savage, no input in magical laws
Dragons
Trolls
Werewolves (during transformation)
Merpeople – originally categorized as Beings, asked to be changed
Centaurs – originally categorized as Beings, asked to be changed
Basilisks
Kneazles
Crups
Sphinxes
Grindylows
Cornish pixies
Flobberworms
Etc.
Spirits (“has-beens,” former beings)
Ghosts
Poltergeists
Banshees
Non-beings - Boggarts, Dementors
Grogan Stump - Minister for Magic credited with instating current classification system and definitions, underwent several changes throughout history due to several disputes
Advantages/Disadvantages
Specific rights, privileges, protections
Can meet specific or specialized needs of certain groups
Defined or labeled by others
Organization/Order
Sense of hierarchy
One group has more power
Can be discriminatory
OOC - I am so sorry about the wait with this post, yesterday was awful.. but just one more quick question and then I will start the activity tomorrow. Please refer to one of the questions/points Professor Glendower mentions in the last paragraph and provide a fact or thought before we move on.
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Norah nodded at Professor Glendower's answer to her question. That made sense...ish. She picked up her quill and dipped it in ink, placing it on her parchment to record all the information on the blackboard. Squinting at the words, she scribbled out the incorrect spelling of a few beast names. These things should be easier to sound out, uh huh.
And an answer to the professor's question? Norah itched her nose with the top of her quill and stared at the front of the room. Yeah, no. She had no answer for this one.
Awww. Eden had been WRONG. But not because she wasn't right--they SHOULD have been classified as Beings, yes, but chose not to. HOW RUDE. Not really. Eden knew they had good reasons behind it--that, and Merpeople, too. But like Professor Glendower said, it led to discrimination. Hmm. Very interesting things to think about yes.
OKAY. Eden knew about this stuff, too, and she quickly raised her hand when she asked about the previous arguments...she was also scribbling things down a lot, too. "Professor--before Stump came along, that guy, Muldoon, right?" She didn't remember the blokes first name at all. "Well--he was trying to say that Beings should be any creature that walks on two legs--but THAT would certainly be a problem because look at werewolves in form--they certainly can't think to our capacity." She explained. "I think he realized he was wrong when he tried to hold a meeting with trolls, though--" and she crinkled her nose at the thought. How chaotic THAT must have been...wow. Muldoon was kind of dumb? But his think wasn't completely off track, at least not to Eden.
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So if you could each mention something about any of the earlier disputes over this classification system, why they were disputed, or what any of the previous definitions were.. That will help us understand a little more about what Grogan Stump put in place for us a couple hundred years ago and stands today.. though maybe not everyone agrees with it.”
Andrew once again furrowed his brow at the professor's question. He was really having a hard time remembering any specifics about the classification system, and was internally kicking himself for not studying harder. Despite being unsure, he'd never forgive himself if he didn't at least make an educated guess, and he did just that.
Raising his hand once more, he waited patiently for the professor to call on him, at which point he tentatively presented his answer: "I'm afraid, professor, that I can't recall anything quite so specific, but if I remember correctly, when the original system was first created, it only had the 'Being' and 'Beast' categories." He paused for a moment as he collected his thoughts. "Soon after they started using this new system, enormous groups of ghosts who were not satisfied with their placement in the 'Being' category organized several protest floats - Ghost demonstrations outside the Ministry which eventually lead to the creation of the 'Spirit' category."
Taking a deep breath, Andrew crossed his fingers and hoped his answer had been good enough. "That sounds to me like a 'dispute over a definition' if I ever heard of one."
Toby was just doing a whole lot of thinking now, and staring from the board to the professor and back again, frowning a little though he wasn't entirely aware of it. As for the question, well... he thought he had something and raised his hand.
"There was someone who said about how something would be a Being if they could speak like humans do," the Hufflepuff offered. Still looking thoughtful and now... a little distracted. "But some creatures could be taught to talk like us and stuff, like trolls, so the ministry changed it again."
Toby lowered his hand again, and sat there just looking at the board again.
He just... couldn't help but feel bad for all those creatures that were left out of the Beings category. Maybe they wanted to help with laws and stuff, and were smart in their own way, but couldn't communicate well enough and so were just left out. Sad.
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Adi added the new stuff from the blackboard to his notes, vaguely wondering if there were anymore that could be added to the spirits category. He'd check on that later but for now...
He had his hand up again. "Someone called Elfrida wanted to re-define those that can speak English as Beings. Trolls were still classified as Beings because they could learn English.'' But as can be seen from the list on the board, trolls were now classified as Beasts.
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Jasmine kept writing as more notes were added to her notebook. When another question was asked, she heard others give the answer she was thinking of. So back to the drawing board. Jasmine wracked her brain, trying to think of another fact to share. Then she remembered something and raised her hand to share it.
"I believe that there was a group of people who wanted to have Muggles classified as beasts." Jasmine could not believe that people could actually think that way. Then again, maybe she could believe it and that was sad.
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Dot essentially understood what the professor was saying, although she wasn't sure she and the professor were precisely on the same page. But... generally same book was sometimes better than nothing.
But... but she was confused. She raised her hand and wiggled it around for the professor. "Why... wouldn't spirits just be classified as beings? 'Cause the way it is now, it's like you think that death means you're no longer smart enough to know what's good for you."
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Cassie was listening very intently to all the students. Wow this was so interesting. She knew most of the answers, but some of the thoughts that the students had were just so interesting. She was so glad she decided to come into this lesson. Why did anything have to be classified at all. Why couldn't they all just live in a happy world together as equals. It was just so complicated.
Her eyes back to Nessa she nodded to her points and looked at the list. "Oooh that's a good question." She glanced over a dot. "Spirits were human once and they still as some of you saw in my SNAC meeting like to speak and have thoughts and answers just as we would." She looked back to Nessa to actually answer the question hoping that putting her own thoughts in was alright. She just got so excited about these types of topics.
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This was a whole lot of additional stuff that Lex should have known but didn't really. No doubt a fair amount of it must have been in her textbook but she couldn't even remember the last time she'd seen her textbook to begin with. This, as you can imagine, posed a huge problem and actually had the Gryffindor scribbling down some of the more important points her classmates were mentioning. You just never knew what would show up on your NEWTs and she didn't wanna take that chance.
"I'm with Dot, Professor. How does dying make you less intelligent and less able to contribute to laws? If nothing else I'd figure you'd be smarter when you come back, know what not to do next time and all that. 'Sides, ghosts can be around for ages and they must see a lot of useful stuff and changes that occur over time to best analyse what works and what doesn't."
Maybe the council men were scared witless at the thought of ghosts at their meetings. One might just come through the table in the middle of the speech and that was hardly conducive to concentration.
Admittedly, she'd have come through the desk at the wrong time...just for the kicks.
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Honestly at this point there was just way too much going on to comprehend. At one point he was trying to copy down the entire board, then he tried copying down as people answered, AND THEN he tried to understand what Lex and that firstie were going on about. But it was of no use. He was just where he always ended up being: lost. Sigh. And he even thought that he had a grip on things this time. Just 'cause CoMC was one of his strong suites, and this lesson was kind of in tone with that... Except not really.
So yup. He was going back to the board notes. Dipping his quill into the ink pot, Zander began scribbling down some more. Honestly, he just wanted to get this lesson over with. How come they were doing so much writing lately?! His wrists were gonna die.
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More things were being written down on the board, and Professor Glendower kept the questions coming. This whole class was starting to make Lux feel overwhelmed, and it was hard for her to keep track of anything. Confused, she wrote more things down in her notes but it was impossible for her to mention anything because she was lost. All she gathered was that they were talking about Beasts, Beings, and Spirits.
Angel was so distracted about everything that had gone on and she was trying to take notes but well things were playing over her head over and over and over again, especially what had happened with her sister and how she had come to have her hair being cut off.
Angel raised her hand so she could ask a question. "Professor so can you be moved from one list to another?" Angel was confused about that so she thought that she might as well ask.
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Dot and Lex both had a very good point there about spirits and Hadleigh agreed with them nodding her head slightly at what both girls contributed. It really did make a lot of sense. Why should something like death make them seem less then what they had been before?
Wrinkling her brow in thought Hady continued taking down notes just as she had been. There wasn't anything else she could think of about the laws to answer the Professors questions right now.
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Notes were being taken, but how accurate they were was a totally different story. AJ was definitely off of her game due to recent events. She tried very hard not to let any of that show. There was no way that she would give Angel the satisfaction of knowing that she was distracted because of her.
Lex and another younger girl had her thinking about the whole death thing too. What they were saying made sense to her, but there was no need to repeat who two other people were already saying.
AJ was still stuck on the ghosts, but she had something a little bit different to add. "I think the ghosts got all offended by being called beings since they technically weren't "beings" anymore once they bit the dust." Sensitive much?
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And okay fine, not a hag then, whatever, but she did look like it. The hair, the skin. Yeah, whatever.
This lesson was STRANGE. He was taking LOTS of notes, but he didn't understand the point, and it was BUGGING him. He liked points, knowing the WHY element of what they were doing. On top of that, he had no idea what the answers were to the questions, he was here to learn, not already know things... so he was just going to sit and wait for the answers in the hoped that it would eventually make sense. Or Merlin help his sanity.
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