I understand the fact that they have to be careful and mental patients can harm themselves. But did he take away the caged beds completely and are looking for other means of restriction? To me it didn't read to clearly, I got the impression he was condeming her in a way...

To me that just seems rude.. I could be reading it wrong however, anyone else feel the same way as me or have I got the wrong end of the stick - as usual! LOL

I believe it is quite cruel to keep peolpe in caged beds for their "own good". And I think He will not allow them to remove them. And I am quite sure for another thing: non of his relatives must be mentally ill. His approach seems too cold.

Well Here Swizzlestick:
So he didnt ban them, he just promised that he might.

I think that the caged beds might be a little much, there are plenty of other ways for restraining people.

Thank you, thats what I thought.

And I doubt he has anyone he cares about in this unfortunate position; I think he needs education more than anything else!

But a promise to me is a definate, so if the use of beds isn't disregarded completely, then he simply lied! For all we know they may have been, but his letter did seem cold to me.

Yea, that's what I though... Why can't they just put the patients in padded rooms, that way they can't hurt themselves... :ermsmile:

And, he's most likely just saying that to take the heat off of himself.

There are other means of restricting them. It's important to keep them from harming themselves, but like someone mentioned - you can use padded walls. Caging them inside there bed seems very primative, and it's treating them like a prisoner.

I think what he tried to say was that they were in a very difficult position since they were stuck in the middle. And what he said was that they were trying to answer to more than one person and couldn't afford to ignore some parts of the argument

On another note, I think I would agree with JK in that caging humans would not be appropriate.. I guess the question now is, what does the other side say?

is it because they will harm other patients? run away? hurt the staff?

i dont think i've heard anything about this.. so i'm curious what both sides say (well, what the details argued are)

thats awful! (about the caged beds) but padded rooms? maybe. what about strait jackets? or would that be worse?

I think strait jackets are cruel too because being restricted at the best of times is going to turn on the temper tantrums either way, but if it stops the harming then its a solution. But I would be more inclined to go for a strait jacket then a caged bed. A padded room however I feel would be the better option - but then who am I to dictate..... I really admire JK though, she is no fence sitter!