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AmbiguouslyMe · 05-22-2010, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SenoritaMaxie

Gold raised a hand. "They are basically principles that strive to explain Wizarding Physics, sir," she said. "The most common is, of course, that of Elemental Transfiguration. It details on what we can, and can not, create with the use of magic. Basically, you can say they are there to help us understand how magic works. Food, for example. You can not create that, and hence it is an exception to the Law of Elemental Transfiguration."

She lowered her hand, then, all thoughtful. Professor Kingsley was simplifying things, and she was grateful for that. She had never been as good at theory, as at the practical side of Transfiguration. She didn't always have the right words to put to use, or to explain her mind. Well, that was why she was here. To learn what she didn't know. Extend her knowledge. Gold eyed her notebook for a bit, and then gaave Alex a gentle, little look.

"I can take her there, if she would like someone to accompany her, sir," she offered, out loud.

Preston stood next to the board, chalk in hand. This was still something he preferred doing by hand, even if he could simply charm the blackboard to record the notes.

"Yes, thank you. In this case, Gamp's Laws, refers to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration, and when Miss Stone mentioned food, she pointed us to the Five Principal Exceptions. Some, though it is not entirely accurate to do so, will simply say Gamp's Laws, plural, to indicate the Five Exceptions."

Preston added words around what had already been on the board, and erased the 's' with his hand, so the board read 'The Five Principle Exceptions to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguruation.'

Underneath it, he wrote 1. Food.

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Originally Posted by individual

More unsavory... her question wasn't unsavory! And he didn't answer it. Hmph. Well then, she'll just have to stay after class to have it answered. Because she really did want to know if that was possible.

Writing a few things down in her notes, trying to understand what the Professor was saying, she instead, thought to draw the picture out instead. It seemed pictures helped her more than actual listening and writing. Just, hopefully she drew the concept out correctly. Hmm, would a mouse live on forever if you kept changing it into a teacup for three years after every few months? Could HUMANS live on forever if that happened?

Looking back up to the Professor when he went onto Gamp's Laws, Evelyn thought about it for a moment, trying to think of the laws that she knew of. Hearing the Gold girl explain what Gamp's Laws were actually made her remember one. "There is another...that states one can't bring the dead back to life again...i think." she said after raising her hand.

Which was a shame of course, but also rather useful. Still though...

"Yes, very good Miss Flores. That is one part, yes."

Underneath he added 2. Life

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Originally Posted by GanymedeCraft17

:: Ehgad knew one and raised his hand, "Money cannot be created." He laughed and added, "Or else there'd be rich wizards all over the place." His mind thought more about it and he continued, "It would make many problems if galleons were like grass in a field." ::

"Excellent, Mister Jarvey. Excellent."

Add 3. Money.

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Originally Posted by Jessica

Xylon raised a hand.

"One of the laws tells that you can't create love," he said simply. "I mean, we can whip up potions to imitate it but the infatuation only lasts as long as the effects of the potion. We can't create actual love."

Preston spun around, smiling. Yes! This was the right way to go. They knew what they couldn't do. Perhaps this would help understand what actually happened.

"Well done. And thank you for the example."

Preston turned back to the board and added. 4. Love.

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Originally Posted by dan arjay

Daniel Raised his hand and said, "another is that we cannot create anything out of thin air. I mean we cannot create food from basically nothing." he then lowered his hand and smiled.

Preston turned, resting an elbow in his hand and tapping the chalk thoughtfully. "Almost. Food cannot be created from nothing, as some of your classmates have said. So that is correct. However, I can conjure a teacup. It won't have been transported from somewhere else and will seem to have just appeared out of nothing. You can't do that with food. So there's a bit of a difference."

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Originally Posted by RaRaRachieee

Hmm. Brody had heard something like this, but she wasn't too sure. Maybe her father had mentioned it or something. She raised her hand, before speaking. "Isn't one of the laws related to magical injures? Like how some injures, when caused by dark magic can't be healed?" She wasn't too sure. But it was a try right?

Preston turned to the young woman. "While accurate that some dark injuries are indeed incapable of being healed, it doesn't fall under the Principal Exceptions. It would, however, fall under the larger umbrella of the laws, or principles, that govern magic, so still an astute observation to make." Preston gave her a nod.

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Originally Posted by city_girl_95

Hmm amy rootled in her bag and pulled out a hair band of no importance and set it on the table and listened to the other students

He took notice of Miss Samson before moving on.

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Originally Posted by cedricdiggory

He loved and was very impressed how vocal the Professor was and how he explain things so clearly and precisely. Truth be told he didn't really understand what Transfiguration really was till now. Although he did know the essence and fundamental of the said subject before, there were really things that were bothering him about the subject and he was immensely grateful that as their discussion goes by, he learns new things and get to have a different perspective of the subject.

"So Professor, If Gold were to turn into a cat and have its, say, 'nature, and although that cat is a completely another thing and don't look like Gold anymore, she could still retain of who she really is and how she looks like because the essence of her remains?

"The thing that is bothering me, Sir, is what the essence of hers that remains," He started, smiling slightly and with utter curious tone, he continued, "Is it the strands of her hair? The blood that runs through her veins and arteries? Or perhaps, is it the memories and the love she possesses before she's been made a cat that remains?

"Or is it the whole being of her? Her nature. Her nature and the sheer fact that she is a human and whatever she may transformed into, she will still be always a human 'cause she's a born human, destined to be human...

"Is that really is the essence of a person?"

He wasn't really sure 'bout what he was saying but at least, he articulated what he would want to know and all. In hope that he would get a proper and justifiable explanation, he sighed and took a deep breath. Guh, he did forget to breathe while answering.

And he raised his hand once again upon hearing the Professor's question. "Sir, I think Gamp's law says that we can't transfigure a thing, say a quill, into absolutely nothing and vice versa. Albeit you can make a thing vanish, you can't be so assured that it's been completely vanished.. that it's forever gone. And even the vanishing spell transforms a thing into some other thing. Reducto, for example, vanishes things and transforms it into pure powder."

Preston smiled and nodded. "A very insightful, advanced question. I'm impressed. There isn't a quick and simple answer, and I fear the discussion may be more suited for a room of only advanced students. I don't want to lose anyone." Preston paused. "But, we will have that conversation, yes. I will be making an announcement after class that may interest those of you who have want of further discussion."

Preston paused again, before addressing his example. "Again, like Miss Summers, you've named something that would fall under the larger umbrella of Gamp's Law, but is not a principal exception. But you're right; if I vanish a teacup, I did not destroy it. The question of where it is, is a discussion for another time. And, reducto, I would argue, doesn't vanish an item. There's powder. It simply... made it something different. Like burning a log makes ash."

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Originally Posted by Jessica94ear

Iris listened to the professor talk, finding herself getting more and more confused as he spoke. Why would he want to turn Gold into a cat? He didn't make much sense.

As he asked the question, Iris smiled, glad to know that there was at least SOMETHING that she knew. She raised her hand slowly before speaking, "Uh... Gamps Law says that food can't be produced out of nothingness. You can make more of what you have, or move it to somewhere else, but you can't just create it from nothing." Iris looked at the professor as she finished speaking, wondering what other people were going to say.

"Excellent, yes. Thank you for further clarifying the exception of food." He added a note to the board.

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Originally Posted by Beth Westphal

Alcemee tried to think of an answer that none of the other students had probably said. She raised her hand and said, "I'm not certain about this...but I think you can't transfigure a dead person or animal into a living one."

Preston smiled. "Yes, there is some nuance there, but you are correct in that you cannot restore life to a dead creature.

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Originally Posted by Dianna Malfoy

Dianna raised her hand at this question.

"Ah.. The Geminio Curse can cause the illusion of gold or any money.. but after a while will turn back into dead leaves or dirt so it is merely and illusion and is worthless in value.." she lowered her hand and hoped that her answer is accepted.

Preston nodded again. "Yes, thank you for adding more detail."

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Originally Posted by brelovesweasleys

Rae completely understood what the Professor was saying, this was her favorite subject so she had tried harder in this class than any other one. Then she heard a familiar voice... Her eyes darted around until she saw Xylon talking about not being able to create love or something. She didn't even know he was in this class, did he come in late? She smiled at him then turned her attention back to Professor Kingsley, so she would not fall behind. She had also forgotten that she had picked something up out of the box. and her bracelet was still clutched in her hand. She slid the bracelet back on and waited for answers to be called out.

Professor Kingsley's eyes strayed to Miss Quirregan. After her visit to his office, he wanted to make sure she was keeping up.

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Originally Posted by Dances_With_Potter

Cadence listened very, very closely as the Professor explained, and it cleared up her confusing immensely, which made her smile. She took notes, but didn't dare look away from the Professor, and she barely breathed. She didn't want to miss anything that could be important and lead her back down the path of confusion. oo! And now they were supposed to answer questions again. Gamp's Laws... Gamp's Laws. This was so important. Why couldn't she remember all of them? Well, she'd give it a try. Raising her hand, she said, "Professor, would one be that you can't transfigure something into nothing or non-existence? I mean, that makes sense, right? Because of what you said about there being a tether to what something was before, and if you transfigured something into nothing then that tether wouldn't remain!" she said brightly, feeling very proud of herself for this answer.

Preston turned and considered a moment. "A well-made connection to what I mentioned before. Again, we may be treading too close to advanced theory and the problem of language we had earlier, so I'm going to pull us back a moment. But good thinking. I like to see that."

----

"The Five Principle Exceptions speak, to put it simply, to what cannot be created. Other examples that were given that I have not added are still part of what we know about how this magic works, or doesn't, so well done, all of you."

"You've named four," he said, tapping the board. "Food. Money. Love. Life. And the fifth, is magical items." He added it to the board.

"Food cannot be conjured. It can be transported so it appears to have come from nowhere, but that isn't actually the case. Money cannot be conjured. The illusion of money, certainly, like Leprechaun gold or multiplied galleons, but it is an illusion that doesn't last. Same with love. Authentic love cannot be created. The illusion, through potions or otherwise, yes. But not actual love. Life, as well. If I make a teacup into a mouse, to reuse and example, I have created the appearance of life, not actual life. Because at some point, the spell will wear off and the mouse becomes a teacup again. And finally, you may be able to conjure something that looks like a wand, a timeturner or polyjuice potion, but it will not work. You cannot conjure an item with magical properties. Summon, yes. But not create."

Preston paused, adding notes to the board.

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The Five Principle Exceptions to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration

1. Food - cannot be conjured; you can summon if you know where it is.
2. Life - cannot restore actual life to a dead creature; cannot create life, only the appearance thereof.
3. Money - cannot be conjured or multiplied permanently.
4. Love - cannot be manufactured; infatuation can be.
5. Magical Items - cannot conjure items with magical properties. Will be the item in appearance only, not function.

Turning back to the class, he smiled. "Does this help clarify what I meant by appearances? Something can look like it has life, but it actually isn't life? Are there any questions before we move on?"

05-22-2010, 04:18 PM	#129 (permalink)
AmbiguouslyMe SA & DMLE Mooncalf Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Boston Posts: 6,674 Hogwarts RPG Name: Hazel Martin-Pryce First Year Diagon Alley Proprietor: Scout MacIntyre Daily Prophet Reporter x4	Granddaddy Ravenclaw \| \| Jermione Granger Quote: Originally Posted by SenoritaMaxie Gold raised a hand. "They are basically principles that strive to explain Wizarding Physics, sir," she said. "The most common is, of course, that of Elemental Transfiguration. It details on what we can, and can not, create with the use of magic. Basically, you can say they are there to help us understand how magic works. Food, for example. You can not create that, and hence it is an exception to the Law of Elemental Transfiguration." She lowered her hand, then, all thoughtful. Professor Kingsley was simplifying things, and she was grateful for that. She had never been as good at theory, as at the practical side of Transfiguration. She didn't always have the right words to put to use, or to explain her mind. Well, that was why she was here. To learn what she didn't know. Extend her knowledge. Gold eyed her notebook for a bit, and then gaave Alex a gentle, little look. "I can take her there, if she would like someone to accompany her, sir," she offered, out loud. Preston stood next to the board, chalk in hand. This was still something he preferred doing by hand, even if he could simply charm the blackboard to record the notes. "Yes, thank you. In this case, Gamp's Laws, refers to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration, and when Miss Stone mentioned food, she pointed us to the Five Principal Exceptions. Some, though it is not entirely accurate to do so, will simply say Gamp's Laws, plural, to indicate the Five Exceptions." Preston added words around what had already been on the board, and erased the 's' with his hand, so the board read 'The Five Principle Exceptions to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguruation.' Underneath it, he wrote 1. Food. Quote: Originally Posted by individual More unsavory... her question wasn't unsavory! And he didn't answer it. Hmph. Well then, she'll just have to stay after class to have it answered. Because she really did want to know if that was possible. Writing a few things down in her notes, trying to understand what the Professor was saying, she instead, thought to draw the picture out instead. It seemed pictures helped her more than actual listening and writing. Just, hopefully she drew the concept out correctly. Hmm, would a mouse live on forever if you kept changing it into a teacup for three years after every few months? Could HUMANS live on forever if that happened? Looking back up to the Professor when he went onto Gamp's Laws, Evelyn thought about it for a moment, trying to think of the laws that she knew of. Hearing the Gold girl explain what Gamp's Laws were actually made her remember one. "There is another...that states one can't bring the dead back to life again...i think." she said after raising her hand. Which was a shame of course, but also rather useful. Still though... "Yes, very good Miss Flores. That is one part, yes." Underneath he added 2. Life Quote: Originally Posted by GanymedeCraft17 :: Ehgad knew one and raised his hand, "Money cannot be created." He laughed and added, "Or else there'd be rich wizards all over the place." His mind thought more about it and he continued, "It would make many problems if galleons were like grass in a field." :: "Excellent, Mister Jarvey. Excellent." Add 3. Money. Quote: Originally Posted by Jessica Xylon raised a hand. "One of the laws tells that you can't create love," he said simply. *"I mean, we can whip up potions to imitate it but the infatuation only lasts as long as the effects of the potion. We can't create actual* love."** Preston spun around, smiling. Yes! This was the right way to go. They knew what they couldn't do. Perhaps this would help understand what actually happened. "Well done. And thank you for the example." Preston turned back to the board and added. 4. Love. Quote: Originally Posted by dan arjay Daniel Raised his hand and said, "another is that we cannot create anything out of thin air. I mean we cannot create food from basically nothing." he then lowered his hand and smiled. Preston turned, resting an elbow in his hand and tapping the chalk thoughtfully. "Almost. Food cannot be created from nothing, as some of your classmates have said. So that is correct. However, I can conjure a teacup. It won't have been transported from somewhere else and will seem to have just appeared out of nothing. You can't do that with food. So there's a bit of a difference." Quote: Originally Posted by RaRaRachieee Hmm. Brody had heard something like this, but she wasn't too sure. Maybe her father had mentioned it or something. She raised her hand, before speaking. "Isn't one of the laws related to magical injures? Like how some injures, when caused by dark magic can't be healed?" She wasn't too sure. But it was a try right? Preston turned to the young woman. "While accurate that some dark injuries are indeed incapable of being healed, it doesn't fall under the Principal Exceptions. It would, however, fall under the larger umbrella of the laws, or principles, that govern magic, so still an astute observation to make." Preston gave her a nod. Quote: Originally Posted by city_girl_95 Hmm amy rootled in her bag and pulled out a hair band of no importance and set it on the table and listened to the other students He took notice of Miss Samson before moving on. Quote: Originally Posted by cedricdiggory He loved and was very impressed how vocal the Professor was and how he explain things so clearly and precisely. Truth be told he didn't really understand what Transfiguration really was till now. Although he did know the essence and fundamental of the said subject before, there were really things that were bothering him about the subject and he was immensely grateful that as their discussion goes by, he learns new things and get to have a different perspective of the subject. "So Professor, If Gold were to turn into a cat and have its, say, 'nature, and although that cat is a completely another thing and don't look like Gold anymore, she could still retain of who she really is and how she looks like because the essence of her remains? "The thing that is bothering me, Sir, is what the essence of hers that remains," He started, smiling slightly and with utter curious tone, he continued, "Is it the strands of her hair? The blood that runs through her veins and arteries? Or perhaps, is it the memories and the love she possesses before she's been made a cat that remains? "Or is it the whole being of her? Her nature. Her nature and the sheer fact that she is a human and whatever she may transformed into, she will still be always a human 'cause she's a born human, destined to be human... "Is that really is the essence of a person?" He wasn't really sure 'bout what he was saying but at least, he articulated what he would want to know and all. In hope that he would get a proper and justifiable explanation, he sighed and took a deep breath. Guh, he did forget to breathe while answering. And he raised his hand once again upon hearing the Professor's question. "Sir, I think Gamp's law says that we can't transfigure a thing, say a quill, into absolutely nothing and vice versa. Albeit you can make a thing vanish, you can't be so assured that it's been completely vanished.. that it's forever gone. And even the vanishing spell transforms a thing into some other thing. Reducto, for example, vanishes things and transforms it into pure powder." Preston smiled and nodded. "A very insightful, advanced question. I'm impressed. There isn't a quick and simple answer, and I fear the discussion may be more suited for a room of only advanced students. I don't want to lose anyone." Preston paused. "But, we will have that conversation, yes. I will be making an announcement after class that may interest those of you who have want of further discussion." Preston paused again, before addressing his example. "Again, like Miss Summers, you've named something that would fall under the larger umbrella of Gamp's Law, but is not a principal exception. But you're right; if I vanish a teacup, I did not destroy it. The question of where it is, is a discussion for another time. And, reducto, I would argue, doesn't vanish an item. There's powder. It simply... made it something different. Like burning a log makes ash." Quote: Originally Posted by Jessica94ear Iris listened to the professor talk, finding herself getting more and more confused as he spoke. Why would he want to turn Gold into a cat? He didn't make much sense. As he asked the question, Iris smiled, glad to know that there was at least SOMETHING that she knew. She raised her hand slowly before speaking, "Uh... Gamps Law says that food can't be produced out of nothingness. You can make more of what you have, or move it to somewhere else, but you can't just create it from nothing." Iris looked at the professor as she finished speaking, wondering what other people were going to say. "Excellent, yes. Thank you for further clarifying the exception of food." He added a note to the board. Quote: Originally Posted by Beth Westphal Alcemee tried to think of an answer that none of the other students had probably said. She raised her hand and said, "I'm not certain about this...but I think you can't transfigure a dead person or animal into a living one." Preston smiled. "Yes, there is some nuance there, but you are correct in that you cannot restore life to a dead creature. Quote: Originally Posted by Dianna Malfoy Dianna raised her hand at this question. "Ah.. The Geminio Curse can cause the illusion of gold or any money.. but after a while will turn back into dead leaves or dirt so it is merely and illusion and is worthless in value.." she lowered her hand and hoped that her answer is accepted. Preston nodded again. "Yes, thank you for adding more detail." Quote: Originally Posted by brelovesweasleys Rae completely understood what the Professor was saying, this was her favorite subject so she had tried harder in this class than any other one. Then she heard a familiar voice... Her eyes darted around until she saw Xylon talking about not being able to create love or something. She didn't even know he was in this class, did he come in late? She smiled at him then turned her attention back to Professor Kingsley, so she would not fall behind. She had also forgotten that she had picked something up out of the box. and her bracelet was still clutched in her hand. She slid the bracelet back on and waited for answers to be called out. Professor Kingsley's eyes strayed to Miss Quirregan. After her visit to his office, he wanted to make sure she was keeping up. Quote: Originally Posted by Dances_With_Potter Cadence listened very, very closely as the Professor explained, and it cleared up her confusing immensely, which made her smile. She took notes, but didn't dare look away from the Professor, and she barely breathed. She didn't want to miss anything that could be important and lead her back down the path of confusion. oo! And now they were supposed to answer questions again. Gamp's Laws... Gamp's Laws. This was so important. Why couldn't she remember all of them? Well, she'd give it a try. Raising her hand, she said, "Professor, would one be that you can't transfigure something into nothing or non-existence? I mean, that makes sense, right? Because of what you said about there being a tether to what something was before, and if you transfigured something into nothing then that tether wouldn't remain!" she said brightly, feeling very proud of herself for this answer. Preston turned and considered a moment. "A well-made connection to what I mentioned before. Again, we may be treading too close to advanced theory and the problem of language we had earlier, so I'm going to pull us back a moment. But good thinking. I like to see that." ---- "The Five Principle Exceptions speak, to put it simply, to what cannot be created. Other examples that were given that I have not added are still part of what we know about how this magic works, or doesn't, so well done, all of you." "You've named four," he said, tapping the board. "Food. Money. Love. Life. And the fifth, is magical items." He added it to the board. "Food cannot be conjured. It can be transported so it appears to have come from nowhere, but that isn't actually the case. Money cannot be conjured. The illusion of money, certainly, like Leprechaun gold or multiplied galleons, but it is an illusion that doesn't last. Same with love. Authentic love cannot be created. The illusion, through potions or otherwise, yes. But not actual love. Life, as well. If I make a teacup into a mouse, to reuse and example, I have created the appearance of life, not actual life. Because at some point, the spell will wear off and the mouse becomes a teacup again. And finally, you may be able to conjure something that looks like a wand, a timeturner or polyjuice potion, but it will not work. You cannot conjure an item with magical properties. Summon, yes. But not create." Preston paused, adding notes to the board. Quote: The Five Principle Exceptions to Gamp's Law of Elemental Transfiguration 1. Food - cannot be conjured; you can summon if you know where it is. 2. Life - cannot restore actual life to a dead creature; cannot create life, only the appearance thereof. 3. Money - cannot be conjured or multiplied permanently. 4. Love - cannot be manufactured; infatuation can be. 5. Magical Items - cannot conjure items with magical properties. Will be the item in appearance only, not function. Turning back to the class, he smiled. "Does this help clarify what I meant by appearances? Something can look like it has life, but it actually isn't life? Are there any questions before we move on?" __________________ Has anyone ever sung you a lullaby? You can fly above the rain clouds Close your eyes Let the melody carry you Leave all your fears behind You can float across a rainbow sky to once upon a time Last edited by AmbiguouslyMe; 05-22-2010 at 04:32 PM.