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Originally Posted by DH Vixen Lana kept an eye on Laura as she thought able what she had just read in her textbook about the Chaldean Method and raised her hand slowly. "Could it be because the Chaldean Method uses the name you a known by and not just your birth name. It seems a lot more personal in that way." In her mind the reading for say a Kat would be different than that for a Katherine. It was a possible thought. Raising her hand again, she tilted her head slightly. "Isn't it based on the Hebrew alphabet, which some believe gave rise to the use of alphabetic writing in Greek and then the Latin alphabet?" Listening as the students began speaking, Josephina nodded at Lana. "In part, yes, the fact that it's based upon the Hebrew alphabet lettering equivalents does contribute to its accuracy." But there was more. Quote:
Originally Posted by Bazinga Minerva put her hand up "Professor could it be because it's the older system so it has been used more, so it would be more accurate, plus it has an even amount of numbers so it could be easier to do the calculations." She wasn't completely sure, but figured she give a guess at least. "Actually the fact that it's an older system does not mean anything toward its accuracy," Fina shook her head. "And you can't even really say it's been used more, since it's actually less popular." As some of them had made note of on their comparison diagrams. Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessiqua Zhenya put her hand straight into the air, "Professor I think it's more accurate because it uses a system to assign numbers to letters, it's not just an A-Z system like the Pythagorean. The way they sort each letter individually to numbers based on the vibrational value," she said. Although she didn't completely understand what the vibrational value was, but had a thought that it was the way the numbers or letters were interpreted. "Yes!" Well sort of anyway. They were getting closer. "It does relate to the fact that the letters on the Chaldean Table are actually representative toward the vibrational value, as opposed to systematic!" Quote:
Originally Posted by sweetpinkpixie Nodding for a moment and trying not to giggle at Penelope's suggestion Kurumi added it to the diagram. "That certainly is a difference," the sixth year nodded. Nothing wrong with that either. Backing up for a moment, Kurumi found herself nodding again to what the first year had said earlier about not knowing anything. "That IS why we are at school, to learn. But you should give yourself more credit, Penelope. You know more than you think." After all, no matter how you looked at Arithmancy one plus one still equaled two, and surely the first year knew that.
When Professor Hadley moved the lesson along, Kurumi set her diagram on the table in front of her, and beside her textbook, and thought for a moment about the question. She agreed a little with the Ravenclaw girl that had spoken, about it seeming to be a bit more personal and all that, but there was something a bit more factual on the Gryffindor's mind as she raised her hand. "Does it have something to do with the fact that the Chaldean method pays special attention and emphasis to the meanings of the letters or symbols which make up our alphabet? In ancient times, before there was a written alphabet like we know, people communicated in hieroglyphics where each letter stood for a particular object, action or emotion and are what the alphabet we have come to know today was based on. In a sense...the Chaldean method draws more on ancient energies and understandings of how humanity, each individual, understood words." Slowly, Kurumi lowered her hand and sort of cocked her head to the side. She wasn't entirely sure that had just made any sense. There was an answer in there somewhere...right? Fina nodded at the sixth year, "Yes, it does have something to do with the fact that examines the actual meanings of the letters. The vibrational influence, if you will." Quote:
Originally Posted by Steelsheen That was actually his question. Why was Chaldean more accurate over the more commonly practiced Pythagorean? He leafed though his text, going over what he had read earlier as he was making his diagram. Then a tentative hand goes up "Professor, is it because Chaldean can be called the original numerology from which Pyhtagorean was based from, and that the number and letter assigning was based on sound and symbol connections? Meaning one simply doesnt assign letters across the row, but actually matches each letter's essence to the corresponding number?" Different way of wording it from Kurumi and Zhenya, but same general points. "Exactly. Not so much the first part... but the part that it assigns letter based on connections... and the letter's essences, certainly is a valuable component toward its accuracy." Quote:
Originally Posted by FearlessLeader19 Jory raised his hand. "It could be because it uses the most popular name you go by rather than your birth name?'' he said not very sure of the answer he was giving. "Could be, yes... Looking at numbers for your popular name rather than given name might have an affect over its accuracy..." but there was more than just the names which led to its accuracy. Quote:
Originally Posted by RoseMalfoy They moved on from the diagrams, but continued talking about the two systems. Desiree had already known a little about the Pythagorean Number system, but the Chaldean one was new. So she had to think about the question for a while and what she had read..
As she listened to Zhenya's answer she felt less confident about her own. But she raised her hand, "Professor, could the Chaldean System be more accurate because it uses compound numbers in addition to single numbers? The single number just represents the physical appearance of a person's name, while the compound number shows the deeper meaning, and significance behind the name." Ah, the first to mention the double digits ? "Yes! Another good point! Looking at the double digits... the individual components rather than just the final picture also contributes to the accuracy of the system." Quote:
Originally Posted by SilverDragon
Silvia raised her hand and answered, "I think it has to do with what numbers the letters are assigned to. The Chaldean method assigns them based on the vibrations of each letter, whatever those are, rather than just ordering them by the alphabet so it is easier to remember." Vibrations yes; she already agreed with someone else who mentioned that, so she just gave a brief smile to the Ravenclaw and listened to the next response. Quote:
Originally Posted by FireboltAvis88 Alyssa listened as the other students gave their answers as to why the Chaldean system would be more accurate. When no one else raised their hands, Alyssa raised her and answered.
"Professor could it be more accurate because it considers everything important. From the double digits when the numbers are first added, to the meaning of each letter and number and what they all represent individually?" Alyssa paused to think before continuing on.
"In the Chaldean system, the way the letters are assigned to the numbers is all based on spiritual inspiration. It depends on the sound and symbol it represents."
"I mean, the Chaldean method believes that when calculating your name both the double digits that one first ends up with, and the single digit that one eventually ends up with are both equally important. The single digit is believed to represent the physical outward appearance of a person's name."
Alyssa checked her textbook to make sure that she was on the right track, before she continued giving her answer. "The double digit which is also known as the Compound number represents the deeper, metaphysical, hidden influences or forces behind the name."
"I mean the Pythagorean method only considers what the single numbers, except for the master numbers, represent. It doesn't consider the letters of any importance, and not even the double numbers."
"So as one can see, more time is spent calculating one's life path or characteristics using the Chaldean Method than one does with the other method. Hence chances for a higher accuracy rate in the reading is better." Who mentioned compound numbers, well rambled actually, and then talked about the spiritual inspiration involved too in this system. "Yes, all very trye points, Alyssa," Fina said, smiling at the fourth year. Quote:
Originally Posted by Vanillasweetheart Michelle frowned. This was a little harder to grasp than the stuff that they did earlier in class. Trying to remember the way the numbers are assigned to the letters, Chelle hesitantly raised her hand.
"Professor, maybe it is because of the compound number?" she said, trying to see if it made any sense. Then she added, "I mean to say, you use your common name instead of your given name. And through the Chaldean method, you tend to unveil a deeper, more spiritual meaning of the name." Okay, I'm not making sense.
Dismayed, she grabbed her head in her cupped hands. This was more numerology than Maths. Fina nodded at another Ravenclaw, who mentioned compound numbers as others before did. And also the common name. Just slightly different wording, but same general principles. Quote:
Originally Posted by nogoodforyou As professor Hadley stopped to take a look at her diagram, she couldn't help but grin. That, until she spotted some other ones; not that she had any intention of getting inspired from different sources. But the others... pfff, they wrote lots of things, and all Nora did was scribble the numbers. Oh, well. She still considered herself the more creative one. Hehe.
But then, the professor started talking... and the girl found it difficult to actually follow. So, the Pythagorean System was the one commonly used, and the Chaldean was more accurate, even though it had no sequential order in assigning values to letters? Hmmm. Raising her hand, she thought she'd better try something, rather than stay quiet. "Maybe if we assign each letter to numbers the way we want it, we can create something like... a secret code?" A secret code? Seriously? These weren't runes, to pass on super secret messages!
Ugh. Fina blinked. "Except the letters aren't assigned to numbers the way we want it, but rather they're assigned based on age-old principles from the Ancient Babylons who looked at the vibrational influences behind each letter to determine what number." Yup. How's that for history. "But you could still create coded messages with number systems..." Actually she did a lesson or two a couple years back, but ... that might have been before Nora's time? Perhaps it was time for another Cryptic messages lesson soon.... heh. Quote:
Originally Posted by Poolicious She had one more? "Kay." The more the better, right? Messer looked over the parchment when she was done adding something to their diagram. But before he could say something to her, Professor Hadley approached their desk and said that they did a nice job. Yay! Go them! "Thanks, Professor." "Yes, you're right. We make a great team." he smiled back.
Then, the professor started talking again about those two systems. Oh another question. Hands up. " Professor, Could it because the Chaldean Method is more...umm..spiritual?" Because it said that the ancient Chaldeans were known to have been immensely interested in astrology, spiritual guidance, oracles and other spiritual thingy. Spiritual yes. Others mentioned this too, sort of, so Messer got a smile and nod to show he was thinking along the right track. Quote:
Originally Posted by Meizzner Nigel had no idea what these two systems were. They all sounded like gibberish to him. With him saying Pythagorean system and the Chaldean System, it made it sound like he was talking in a different language. Even the definitions of the two made no sense to Nigel.
Nigel at least thought it would help if he paid attention and kept on writing down notes. He even tried and failed to draw a chart which he threw away. At least this would all make sense to him in the future. Nigel really hoped that was the case. He did have a question though "Um Professor can i just keep taking notes since i have still no idea of what the two systems are?" Naw! "Of course you may keep taking notes!" Fina nodded at the young Ravenclaw. "I don't expect everyone to have been able to comprehend the readings enough for a decent answer, after all." Note-taking was still a form of participation ... Quote:
Originally Posted by Anna Banana NICE JOB?!
Really, Hadley?! Sierra only worked next to forever on her diagram, but yeah--nice job. Blahh. At least she hadn't gotten some negative comment. Had she, and after she'd worked that hard, she'd have...have...have... Yeah. Done nothing. A student wasn't exactly in any position to challenge a professor.
So instead, she gave Hadley a small smile and a nod before looking away again.
Anyway...moving on to answering the question. A little hesitant, Sierra raised her hand. "Is it because the Chaldean Method is the only method that looks at the meanings of the letters in your name?" she asked. "Maybe we're able to get a deeper and better understanding, since the method goes into detail with each letter than makes up our name." Was it just her did Sierra seem slight offended by her comment on her diagram? Most everyone got a similar response, so she didn't really know why? Except that the girl probably wanted a gold star or something. "The Pythagorean method looks at the meanings of the letters in your name," Fina countered. She could think of a few numbers that looked specifically toward the letters even. "But it's less to do with that then the fact of how the letters are assigned to numbers." Which is the part that made understanding rather tricky. Quote:
Originally Posted by LilFox06 Anya smiled. "Thanks Professor." She then shot a smile over to Messer.
Then the Professor asked another question.
She raised her hand. "Well... the person... or people... that invented it put a lot of thought in it... since the letters aren't in order." And as a general rule, the more you thought about something, the better it turned out. She wasn't quite sure how it worked... but there had to something special about the way the letters were assigned with the numbers... "And then there's the compound number thing... there's more numbers you could get... Like, the more options you have, the more accurate and specific your results would be." It made sense to her. "Yes, the letters aren't in order," Fina smiled at Anya. Interesting perspectives; ah, numbers through the eyes of a twelve year old! "They're not in order because systematical order doesn't matter. Vibrational and spiritual influences associated with each letter are what matters." And of course, the compound number thing, which others mentioned too. Quote:
Originally Posted by TakemetotheBurrow Ella watched as Hadley checked over her diagram. She was a little nervous, especially because hers wasn't nearly as good as Alyssa's. Hadley didn't seem too disappointed though, which was great. The second year gave the woman a smile when she told her good job.
The next question was a tough one. Ella honestly wasn't sure why the Chaldean Method would be considered more accurate. It had been around in the old days so maybe people trusted it more? Hm..."Professor, maybe people think it's more accurate because it's more old school. I feel like some people might not like change and so they just kinda toss aside the Pythagorean theorem. " "Old school has nothing to do with accuracy," Fina shook her head. "People who use this system will use it because it IS more accurate. But it's not generally taught because it's a lot harder to know and learn, compared with the simplicity that is the Pythagorean Method." So yes, if you thought the Pythagorean method was confusing wait until you get to this. Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry174 Laura looked at her sister and didn't care that she was in lesson she hugged her but when she turned round she accidently caught the table with her elbow and *BANG* Laura rubbed her elbow why was it called a funny bone it was hurting her like crazy. "Sorry Professor." Laura said as she quickly burried herself back into her work. Before she could continue on though, she heard a bang and looked in the direction of a young Hufflepuff... yes, she remembered Laura. She had of course even noticed Lana helping Laura out with her diagram, as the Hufflepuff continued to strive on finishing the assignment.
She was about to ask if she was okay, but as Laura buried her nose back onto her books and parchment, she figured she better not draw more attention to the girl. That was probably the last thing she wanted. Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosa Chispa Princessa "Perhaps more thought was put into the Chaldean system. The Chaldean system is also older so perhaps people may find it to be the more authentic system for arithmancy"< Oichi replied raising her hand and taking a guess at it. More thought... older.... Yes to the more thought, but really, age had nothing to do with its accuracy. If anything, that would normally have been a contributing factor to it being LESS accurate or outdated even.
She'd already commented on both regards though, so for now... "Accuracy, as many of you noted, can be contributed to a couple of factors with the Chaldean Method," Fina explained as she turned to work on writing the table on the board. "Some of those being the fact that it will look at compound numbers within individual names. But also the fact that in assigning the numbers to the letters, it uses spiritual and vibrational influences. These influences are ones that I'm afraid we won't expand too much on, as it's more detail than you need to know for the basic understanding of the system. But for those of you looking into possibly a future with Arithmancy, then Number Vibrations are something you will definitely be expanding your knowledge on in the future."
Enough logistics though, it was time to work on some calculations with the system. Time was moving quickly. "We'll start by calculating our Character Numbers, or Expression or Destiny numbers, using the Chaldean System." Fina went on. "One thing that is important to note is that all numbers calculated, whether using the Chaldean System or the Pythagorean System, have the same basic meanings and symbolism associated with it. No matter what system you use to find letters to numbers, numbers are constant. Anywhere, anytime." "How do you find your Character Number?" Fina addressed. This was a question that even some of the younger ones should know. ooc: oops, sorry, meant to continue this yesterday, but ... *sighs and pokes work* =/ Thanks for your patience though <3
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